DIE Mercurii, 12 die Augusti.
PRAYERS, by Mr. Ash.
Comes Manchester, Speaker.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
L. Lovelace released from his Restraint.
Ordered, That the Lord Lovelace is released from
his Engagement, upon his Honour given to this House,
for his not going out of the Line of Communication.
Answer from the King to the Propositions for Peace.
This Day the Earl of Pembrooke and the Earl of Suffolke gave the House an Account of the delivering the
Propositions for a safe and well-grounded Peace to the
King, with His Majesty's Answer.
(Here enter it.)
The several Papers were read.
Letter from the Scots Commissioners.
The Speaker acquainted the House with a Letter
which he had received from the Scotts Commissioners;
which was read, and a Paper inclosed therein.
(Here enter them.)
Commissioners who went to the King thanked;
The Earl of Pembrooke further declared, the great
Affection and Civility which the Scotts shewed to our
Commissioners at Newcastle:
Hereupon this House gave Thanks to the Earls of
Pembrooke and Suffolke, for their Pains and Care in this
And it was moved, "That some Way may be thought
how to give the Scotts Thanks, for their Affection and
fair Carriage in this Business."
Ordered, That the King's Letter, and the Letter
from the Scotts, be communicated to the House of
Commons, at a Conference.
Committee to prepare Heads for a Conference about those Businesses.
And it (fn. *) is referred to the E. of Northumb. Com.
Sarum, Com. Essex, Com. Pembrooke, Com. Suffolke, Com. Lyncolne, L. Viscount Say & Seale, L.
Wharton, and L. Robertes, (fn. †) to draw up what is fit to say,
at this Conference, to the House of Commons, upon
these Letters; and to report the same to this House.
The Power of the abovesaid Committee is,
"To express the Sense of this House touching these
"1. To make Acknowledgement of the Kindness
and brotherly Affection of the Scotts.
"2. To take Care for providing of Money for
"3. To declare our Trouble for the dispersing of
any Pamphlets against the Scotts, and to prevent the like in the future.
"4. To express the Sense of the House of Lords,
that Care be taken that Satisfaction be given
in that Particular; that such Persons may be
in Command of Forces in this Kingdom as
shall pursue the End of the Covenant, and endeavour the Public Good and Interest of both
"5. That a Committee of both Houses be appointed touching the last Particular in the Scotts
Paper, to consider of the same, and to make
Report to both Houses respectively."
Preachers at the next Fast.
Ordered, That Mr. Valentine and Mr. Cawdry are
appointed to preach before the Lords, the next Fastday, at the Abbey Church.
L. Campden to take the Covenant.
Ordered, That the Earl of Kent and the Earl of
Sarum do tender the Covenant to the Lord Viscount
Ihonston, a Pass.
Ordered, That Richard Ihonston shall have a Pass,
to go to Newcastle.
Ordered, That Harris shall be released of
his Imprisonment he lies under by Order of this House.
E. of Portland, a Pass.
Ordered, That the Earl of Portland shall have a
Pass, to go about his Occasions any where within the
Message to the H. C. for a Conference about the King's Answer to the Propositions, and a Letter from the Scots Commissioners.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath:
To desire (fn. *) a Conference, in the Painted Chamber, at
Ten To-morrow Morning, concerning the King's (fn. *) Answer to the Propositions, and concerning a Letter received from the Scotts Commissioners.
Lady Delaval, &c. a Pass to France.
Ordered, That the Lady De la Vall shall have a
Pass, to go into France, and to return into England;
and Mrs. Suzan Fanshaw to keep her Company, and
Two Women Servants and Two Men.
Sir S. Fanshaw, ditto.
Ordered, That Sir Symon Fanshaw shall have a
Pass, to go into France, for a Month's Time; he putting in first Security to return again, and not to do
any Thing prejudicial to the Parliament.
Committeefor the Conference about the King's Answer, and the Scots Letter.
The Lord Wharton reported the Matter of the Conference with the House of Commons, drawn up by the
Committee; which was read, and approved of by the
House in every particular Branch, wherein the Concurrence of the House of Commons is to be desired.
(Here enter it.)
Then the House named the Committee mentioned
in the Report; videlicet,
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
The King's Answer to the Propositions for Peace.
"The Propositions tendered to His Majesty by the
Commissioners from the Lords and Commons assembled
in the Parliament of England at Westm'r, and the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland, (to which the
Houses of Parliament have taken Twice so many
Months for Deliberation as they have assigned Days
for His Majesty's Answer) do import so great Alterations in Government, both in the Church and Kingdom, as is very difficult to return a particular and
positive Answer before a full Debate, wherein these
Propositions and the necessary Explanations, true
Sense and Reasons thereof, be rightly weighed and
understood; and that His Majesty (upon a full View
of the whole Propositions) may know what is
lest, as well as what is taken away and changed:
In all which He finds (upon Discourse with the said
Commissioners) that they are so bound up from any
Capacity either to give Reasons for the Demands they
bring, or to give Ear to such Desires as His Majesty is
to propound, as it is impossible for Him to give
such a present Judgement of, and Answer to, these
Propositions, whereby He can Answer to God that
a safe and well-grounded Peace will ensue; which is
evident to all the World can never be, unless the
just Power of the Crown, as well as the Freedom and
Propriety of the Subject, with the just Liberty and
Privileges of Parliament, be likewise settled: To which
End, His Majesty desires and proposeth to come to
London, or any of His Houses thereabouts, upon the
Public Faith and Security of the Two Houses of His
Parliament and the Scotts Commissioners, that He
shall be there with Freedom, Honour, and Safety,
where, by His Personal Presence, He may not only
raise a mutual Confidence betwixt Him and His People,
but also have these Doubts cleared, and these Difficulties explained unto Him, which He now conceives to
be destructive to His just Regal Power, if He should
give a full Consent to these Propositions as they now
stand; as likewise that He might make known to them
such His reasonable Demands as He is most assured will
be very much conduceable to that happy Peace which
all good Men desire and pray for, by the settling of
Religion, the just Privileges of Parliament, with the
Freedom and Propriety of the Subject: And His Majesty assures them, that, as He can never condescend
to what is absolutely destructive to that just Power
which by the Laws of God and the Land He is born
unto, so He will chearfully grant and give His Assent
unto all such Bills (at the Desires of His Two Houses),
or reasonable Demands, for Scotland, which shall be
really for the Good and Peace of His People, not
having a Regard to His own Particular, much less of
any-body's else, in respect of the Happiness of these
Kingdoms: Wherefore His Majesty conjures them,
as Christians, as Subjects, and as Men who desire to
leave a good Name behind them, that they will so
receive and make use of this Answer, that all Issues of
Blood may be stopped, and these unhappy Distractions
"At Newcastle, the 1st of August, 1646.
"To the Speaker of the House of Peers
pro Tempore, &c.
"Upon Assurance of a happy Agreement, His
Majesty will immediately send for the Prince
His Son; absolutely answering for his perfect Obedience."
Letter from the Scots Commissioners, with the following Paper.
"For the Right Honnorable the Speaker of the
House of Peeres pro Tempore.
"The Commissioners of the Kingdome of Scotland,
which did attend His Majesty with the Propositions of
Peace, being now retourned; accordinge to our Instructions, wee have sent you this enclosed, which wee
desire your Lordship to communicate to the Honnorable Houses, when their Commissioners sent to His
Majesty shall make Report of their Proceedings. And
Worcester House, 11 Aug. 1646.
Your Lordships humble Servaunts,
"Loudoun. W. Argyll.
Paper from them, complaining of the Calumnies against the Scots in Printed Books, &c.;—that theywill giveup their Garrisons in England, and withdraw their Forces, on Satisfaction being made them;—asking Aid against the Irish;—and for obtaining an Answer from the King to the Propositions:
"The same Principles of brotherly Assection, which
did induce both Kingdomes to a Conjunction of their
Councells and Forces in this Cause, move us at this
Tyme to apply ourselves to the most reall and effectuall Wayes which tend to a speedy Conclusion and
amicable Partinge, and to the Prevention of Misunderstandinge betweene the Kingdomes in any of these
Things, which peradventure our common Enemyes
looke upon with much Joy, as Occasions of Differences: For this End, wee have not taken Notice of
the many base Calumnyes and execrable Aspersions
cast upon the Kingdome of Scotland, in printed
Pamphletts and otherwise; expecting, from the Justice
and Wisdome of the Honnorable Houses, that they
will of themselves take such Course for the Vindication of our Nation and Army, as the Estates of
Scotland have shewed themselves ready to doe for
them in the like Cases. Upon the Invitation of both
Houses, the Kingdome of Scotland did cheerfully
undertake, and hath faithfully mannaged, their Assistance to this Kingdome, in Pursuance of the Ends exprest in the Covenant; and the Forces of the common Enemy being (by the Blessinge of God upon
the joynt Endeavors of both Kingdomes) now broken
and subdued, a Foundation beinge alsoe layd, and
some good Progresse made, in the Reformation of
Religion, which wee trust the Honnorable Houses
will, accordinge (fn. *) to the Covenant, sincerly, really, and
constantly prosecute till it bee perfected; that wee
may manifest to the Consciences of our Brethren,
and to all the World how farre it is, and ever was,
from the Thoughts and Intentions of the Kingdome
of Scotland to make Use of their Army in this Kingdome to any other Ends besides those exprest in the
Covenant, and how much they desire the preserving
and perpetuating of Peace and Amity betweene the
Kingdomes, and the easinge of the Burdens and
Pressures of this Nation; wee doe in their Name
declare, That they are willinge forthwith to surrender the Garrisons possessed by them in this Kingdome (which they did keepe for noe other End but
the Safety and Security of their Forces), and without
Delay to recall their Army; reasonable Sattisfaction
beinge given for their Paines, Hazards, Charges, and
Sufferings, whereof a competent Proportion to bee
presently paid to the Army before their Disbandinge,
and Security to bee given for the Remainder at such
Tymes hereafter as shall bee mutually agreed on.
"If any Forces shal bee kept on Foote in either Kingdome, wee desire that they bee put under the Commaund of such Persons as are knowne to bee zealous
for Reformation and Uniformity in Religion, and most
tender of the Peace of the Kingdomes, and against
whome neither of the Kingdomes may have any just
Grounds of Jealousy.
"And whereas the Kingdome of Scotland hath bin
invaded, and is still infested, by Forces from Ireland;
it is expected that the Honnorable Houses, according
to the large Treaty, will give such Assistance and
Supply to the Kingdome of Scotland, as may speedily
reduce those Rebells to Obedience.
"And to the End there may in all Things bee a good
Understanding betweene the Kingdomes, wee further
propose, That whereas Propositions for a safe and
well-grounded Peace have bin lately sent to the Kinge
in the Name of both Kingdomes, and, for obtayninge
His Majesty's Consent thereunto, the uttmost Endeavors of the Kingdome of Scotland have not beene
wantinge, as may appeare by the many Addresses,
Petitions, and Sollicitations to that End, from the
Army, the Lords of His Majesty's Privy Councell,
the Committees of Estates, and the Generall Assembly
of the Church, the Successe whereof hath not answered our Wishes and Hopes; His Majesty (to our
unspeakeable Greife) not haveing yet agreed to the
Propositions: Wee desire that the Honnorable Houses
may bee pleased to take such Course as, by joynt
Advise of both Kingdomes, ingaged in the same
Cause, labouring under the same Dangers, and ayminge at the same Ends, wee may consult and resolve
what is next to bee done for the Peace and Safety of
these Kingdomes, both in relation to His Majesty, and
of each Kingdome to the other; beinge confident that
the Result of our joynt Consultations will bee such
as shall provide for the present and future Security of
the Kingdomes, and strengthen their Union betweene
"By Commaund of the Commissioners for the
Parliament of Scotland.
Commissioners who went to the King with the Propositions, Account of their Proceedins.
"The Time of our Arrival at Newcastle being
Thursday the 23th of the last Month, about Nine
of the Clock in the Forenoon;
"Immediately upon our coming thither (because we
would lose no Time), we desired the Lord Chancellor
of Scotland and the Marquis of Argill (who were
joint Commissioners with us) to move the King, that
He would be pleased to appoint a Time when we
might attend Him, with the Propositions which we
had brought from the Parliament.
"And they, going to the King, brought us back
Word, that His Pleasure was, we should attend Him
the next Day, at Two in the Afternoon; which accordingly we did.
"May it please Your Majesty,
"We do humbly present to Your Majesty these Propositions, agreed upon and passed by the Two Houses
of the Parliament of England, and Commissioners of
the Kingdom of Scotland.
"And we are commanded humbly to desire Your
Majesty's positive Answer and Consent thereunto.
"The Earl of Pembrooke then, after a short Declaration of what we had in Command, desired the Propositions might be read; which the King assenting
unto, was accordingly done.
"But, a little while after they were begun to be
read, He demanded of us, "Whether we had any
Power to treat or debate upon them, or that He might
ask us any Questions for the explaining of them?"
"We answered, "We had no such Power."
"Then, "said He, Your Business is but to bring
them; and a good honest Trumpeter might have done
as much, but for the Honour of it."
"The Propositions being read through, and delivered
unto Him, we again, as at the first, demanded His
positive Answer and Consent unto them.
"The Commissioners of Scotland seconded the same,
in the Behalf of that Kingdom.
"The King answered, "He was sure we could not
expect a present Answer from Him in a Business of
"This being done upon the Friday, and we having
heard nothing from Him Saturday or Sunday; the
Monday following we made our Address unto Him
"And, being appointed to attend Him on Tuesday,
came unto Him accordingly, and put Him in Mind of
our former Desires, of a positive Answer and Consent
to the Propositions; alledging, we had but little Time
to stay there.
"He told us, "He knew our Time limited, and
against that Time would prepare His Answer."
"But no Answer being given the next Day, or the
Day following; Thursday in the Afternoon we desired
those Two Lords to move Him again for our Dispatch,
which on Friday Morning they did; and told us, "The
King would have put it off till Saturday Night; but
they had prevailed with Him to grant Saturday Morning; yet, if we thought for the more Surety to go,
they would go with us that Evening."
"Which being resolved, we went unto Him, and
humbly craved His Answer and Consent as before.
"Then He told us, "He would give us His Answer
the next Morning betwixt Ten and Eleven of the
"Accordingly, on Saturday Morning, we attended,
and humbly craved His positive Answer and Consent
to the Propositions, as we had formerly done; the
Earl of Pembrooke humbly beseeching Him to consider with Himself the dangerous Consequence that
would follow, to Himself, His Kingdoms, and Posterity,
if He should not now do it.
"Then He told us, "He had drawn up His Answer
in Writing; which (after He had caused it to be read)
He offered to deliver unto us."
"But we, conceiving it not to be satisfactory (after
some private Consultation amongst ourselves), came
unto Him, and desired to be excused; pressing Him to
a positive Answer and Consent; and telling Him, "We
must take the Boldness to continue so doing till the
last Period of our Time; and therefore prayed
Him to give us Admittance again before our Departure."
"He asked "When?"
"We answered, "That Afternoon, if He so pleased."
"He said, "That could not be; for He had other
Business to do."
"So the next Morning was appointed; and we accordingly came unto Him on the Lord's-day, before
Prayer, and pressed Him, as we had done before, with
"But He told us, "He could not give us any other
Answer than what He had set down in Writing, and
tendered unto us before;" which He caused again to
be read, urging us with much Importunity to receive
"We thereupon craving Leave to withdraw, and
considering with ourselves that we had used all the
Means we could for the obtaining of a positive Answer
and Consent, and that no other Answer could be
gotten but that which He had now the Second Time
offered to us in Writing; we returned back, and spake
these Words; (videlicet), "We receive this Paper
now offered by Your Majesty;
"With this humble Protestation,
"That it is without our Approbation or Consent
as to the taking of it for an Answer; and that
it shall be no Engagement to us the Commissioners in any kind whatsoever."
Thanks to the Scots, for their Conduct to them;
"Being informed by the Commissioners of the fair
and cordial Carriage of our Brethren of Scotland
during the Time of their being at Newcastle, and of
their earnest Endeavours in promoting of the Propositions; and having received from the Commissioners of Scotland the Paper now read: The Lords
think fit to observe the real Expressions of the Faithfulness and Integrity of that Kingdom to this Kingdom, and the common Cause wherein both are so
happily united; and are resolved to use all Means
that may clearly evidence to the Kingdom of Scotland,
and to the whole World, their good Assections to that
Kingdom, and their Care to preserve inviolably the
happy Union betwixt us and them, according to our
Treaty, and our solemn League and Covenant.
"In the First Place, the Lords have passed this
Ordinance, to prevent the Abuses of scandalous Pamphlets against that Nation and
Army; and desire your Concurrence therein;
Ordinance to prevent scandalous Pamphlets being published against the Scots;
"Be it Ordained, by the Lords and in
Parliament assembled, That all Devisers and Printers of any scandalous Pamphlets or Papers, that
shall from this present Day be made or printed, against
the Kingdom of Scotland, or their Army residing in
the Kingdom of England, shall be punished in a
Parliamentary Way, according to their Demerits.
Answer to the other Particulars in the Scots Paper.
"As to that of their Delivery of the Garrisons and
withdrawing of their Army, reasonable Satisfaction
being given for their Pains and Hazard, Part in
Hand, and Part hereafter upon Security as shall be
agreed upon; the Lords do think it fit that speedy
Satisfaction be given them therein.
"As to that of the Forces to be kept in each
Kingdom; the Lords are resolved to employ such
Persons in this Kingdom as are faithful to the Ends
contained in the Covenant, and the Peace of both
"As to that concerning the assisting of the Kingdom
of Scotland against the Rebels of Ireland which infest
them; the Lords think fit to observe the large Treaty
in that Particular as is desired, and desire your Concurrence therein.
"As to the last Part, concerning what is next to be
done for the Peace and Good of both Kingdoms,
in relation to the King and of each Kingdom to the
other; the Lords think fit, that a Committee of both
Houses be appointed to consider of the Ways, and
make Report to both Houses accordingly."