DIE Saturni, 26 die Decembris.
PRAYERS, by Mr. Salwey.
Domini præsentes fuerunt:
Comes Manchester, Speaker.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Answer from the H. C.
Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page return with this
That they agree in communicating the Order concerning the King to the Scotts Commissioners, and to the
Meeting of the Committee this Afternoon concerning
the Duke of Yorke.
Prisoners in The Tower Petition, for a Maintenance.
Upon reading the Petition of the Prisoners of The
Tower of London; desiring "some Maintenance to be
It is Ordered, To be recommended to the House of
Commons, that some Allowance may be made them, for
Ald Chambers a Petition.
Ordered, That the Petition of Alderman Chambers
shall be taken into Consideration on Thursday next.
Ordinance to pardon Sus. Adams.
The Lord Wharton reported from the Committee, an
Ordinance for granting a Pardon to Suzan Adams; which
was read Twice, and Agreed to, and Ordered to be sent
to the House of Commons for their Concurrence.
Ordinance to pardon Goodman and Hanson.
Ordered, That the same Committee as was appointed for Suzan Adams' Business shall make a Preface to
the Ordinance for a Pardon to Wm. Goodman and Ric'd
Hanson, setting out the Matter of Fact, and report the
same to this House; and the Earl of Suffolke is added
to the said Committee.
Paper from the Scots Commissioners about Religion.
The Speaker acquainted this House, "That Yesterday the Scotts Commissioners had a Meeting with the
Committee of Religion; and they delivered in a Paper, which was desired to be presented to this House."
The House received the same, and read it.
(Here enter it.)
Ordered, That this Paper be communicated to the
House of Commons.
Paper concerning their Army in Ireland.
The Earl of Northumb. reported from the Committee
of both Kingdoms Two Papers:
1. Concerning the Scotch Army in Ireland, delivered
by Captain Drumond. (Here enter it.)
Ordered, To be sent to the House of Commons,
with Recommendations, that Provisions of Monies, &c.
may be made for the Scotch Army in Ireland.
They will write to their General to prevent the King's escaping;
"2. We shall, according to the Desire of the Two
Houses of Parliament, acquaint the Lord Generall of
the Scotch Army (there being no Comittee for the
present at Newcastle) with their Apprehensions of the
King's goinge beyond Seas, and their Desires that
Care be taken to prevent the same.
25 Dec. 1646.
"By Comand of the Comissioners for
the Parliament of Scotland.
and that they are ready to confer about the King's Letter.
"3. Your Lordships having comunicated to us His
Majesty's Letter, dated from Newcastle, the 20th of
Decemb. 1646; we desire to know, whether the Two
Houses have as yet taken the same into Consideration,
or if your Lordships be ready to advise with us concerning the Contents of it; and if your Lordships
be thereunto authorized, we are ready to conferr with
25 Dec. 1646.
"By Comande of the Commissioners
for the Parliament of Scotland.
Consideration of the King's Letter, desiring to treat with the Houses.
The Question being put, "Whether to go on upon
the Consideration of the King's Letter presently?"
It was Resolved in the Affirmative.
Then the King's Letter was read again.
The House was adjourned during Peasure into a Committee, to debate the King's Desire of coming with
Safety, Freedom, and Honour.
And the House was resumed.
Then the Vote of the 22th of December was read.
And this Question was put, "Whether the Vote
made by this House, and sent down to the
House of Commons, concerning the King's
coming to One of His Houses, without any
further Addition or Explanation, be a fit Answer to that Particular in the King's Letter?"
And it was Resolved in the Affirmative.
Next, the House considered of another Desire in the
King's Letter, of His being heard.
Vote for no Treaty to be had on the Propositions.
This Question was propounded, "Whether, in
Answer to this Particular in the King's Letter, of desiring to be heard, this House will
return, That this House will have no Treaty
upon the Propositions?"
Then the Question was put, "Whether this Question shall be put?"
And it was Resolved in the Affirmative.
Then the aforesaid Question was put, and Resolved
in the Affirmative.
Protest against it.
Memorandum, That, before the putting the aforesaid
Question, these Lords following desired Leave to enter
their Dissents, if it was carried against their Votes;
which being granted, they do accordingly enter their Dissents, by subscribing their Names.
Message from the H. C. with an Order.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Humphry Tufton:
To desire their Concurrence in the Order for giving
the Lord Grey Five Thousand Pounds. (Here enter it.)
Read, and Agreed to.
Message to them, for a Conference about Compositions at Goldsmiths Hall; and with other Particulars.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Sir Leech and Mr. Page:
1. (fn. *) To communicate to them the Two Votes made this
Day, upon some Particulars in the King's Letter, and to
desire their Concurrence therein.
2. To desire a Conference with the House of Commons, in the Painted Chamber, at Eleven of the Clock
on Monday next, concerning the Obstructions in the
Compositions at Gouldsmithes Hall.
3. To desire Concurrence in the Ordinance for making
Colonel Manwaring Comptroller of the Customs at
Petitions from the City.
Ordered, That the City Petitions shall be further
taken into Consideration on Monday next.
Commissioners of the Great Seal.
Ordered, That the Business of Commissioners of
the Great Seal of England shall be taken into Consideration on Monday Morning next.
White to be instituted to Wormingford.
Ordered, &c. That Mr. Doctor Aylett, &c. shall
give Institution and Induction unto John White Clerk,
Master of Arts, to the Vicarage of Worthermonford, alias
Wormingford, in the County of Essex, selvo Jure cujuscunque; the said Mr. White taking the National League
and Covenant, and producing his Presentation thereunto under the Hand and Seal of Jeremyab Walgrave,
Paper from the Commissioners of the Church of Scotland, about the Settlement of Religion.
"As the other Reformed Churches have bin much
comforted with the hopefull Beginings and some happy Progresse of a gloriouse Reformation of Religion
in this Kingdome; soe especially the Church of Scotland (which is soe neerly concerned, and must needs
expect to partake more then other Churches of the
Good or Evill which shall here take Roote) hath greatly rejoyced and given Thanks to God for soe greate
Mercy: Neverthelesse, they are alsoe myndfull of the
Vowes of God, which are upon all the Three Kingdomes and upon all Sorts and Degrees of Persons
therein, according to their severall Places and Callings,
to indeavor such a Reformation of Religion in the
Kingdomes of England and Ireland, in Doctrine, Worshipp, Discipline, and Government, as is according to
the Word of God and the Example of the best Reformed Churches, and to indeavor the neerest Uniformity in all these betweene the Churches of God in
the Three Kingdomes, together with the Exterpation
of Heresy and Schisme, least, partakinge in other Mens
Sinnes, they bee indangered to receive of their Plagues;
which Things they did not oblige themselves to indeavor for a Tyme, but constantly till they bee obtayned:
Wherefore, in Pursuance of the Ends in the Covenant, and in the Discharge of that Trust which is
committed to us, as likewise that some of our Number
who are now to retourne into Scotland may bee able
to give a further Account to the Parliament of that
Kingdome, and to the Commissioners of the Generall
Assembly as Edinburgh (both being now assembled),
wee have taken this Occasion (without the least presenting to prescribe any Wayes or to impose any Conditions) to renew our most earnest Desires to the Honnorable Houses of Parliament, and to the Reverend
Assembly of Divines, for their Part, that all possible
Care may bee taken, and greater Diligence used, to
expedite the begun Reformation and Uniformity, to
supply and make upp those Parts that are yet wanting, and to put on and make effectuall what is already
agreed upon. More particulerly wee doe desire that
some effectuall Course may bee provided, by Ordinance
of Parliament, for the takeing of the solemne League
and Covenant by all Persons, as well as in all Places
of this Kingdome, and some considerable Penalty or
Punishment (such as the Honnorable Houses in their
Wisdomes shall thinke fitt) may bee appointed for
such as refuse to take it (much more for such as reproach it, or spake or writt against it); and that, by
Authority of both Houses of the Parliament of England, the Covenant, Confession of Faith, Directory
of Worshipp, Forme of Church Government, and
Chatechisinge, may bee setled in Ireland as well as in
England, according to the First Article of the solemne
League and Covenant. Wee alsoe desire that the
Chatechisme (now before the Assembly of Divines)
may bee perfected soe soone as is possible; that the
Confession of Faith may bee established by Authority of Parliament, and immediatly thereafter sent
into Scotland (as the Directory of Worshipp was), to
bee agreed unto by that Church and Kingdome, it
being the cheifest Part of that Uniformity in Religion
which both Kingdomes stand bound by Covenant to
indeavor; that Course may bee taken for the better
observing of the Directory of Worshipp, which is in
many Places of this Kingdome either wholy or in diverse materiall Points neglected; and because the
Singing of Psalmes in Churches is a Part of the Publique Worshipp of God, wee desire that the Paraphrase
of the Psalmes in Metere, as it is now examined, corrected, and approved, by the Assembly of Divines
here, and by the Commissioners of the Generall Assembly in Scotland, may bee likewise authorised and
established by Ordinance of Parliament. Wee further desire that speciall Care and speedy Course may
bee taken for the choosinge of Ruleing Elders, and the
erecting of Classicall Presbyteryes and Congregationall
Eldershipps throughout the whole Kingdome (these
Things not beinge yet done except in some Places);
and that the Censure of Excomunication, and some
other Things belonging to the Meeting, Constitution,
and Power, of Synods Nationall and Provinciall, and
of the subordinate Ecclesiasticall Assemblyes, contayned in the Advise of the Reverend and Learned Assembly of Divines to both Houses of Parliament, and
in our Remonstrance, dated March 26th, 1646, delivered alsoe to both Houses (which Things are not yet
setled by Ordinance of Parliament), may bee taken
into Consideration by the Honnorable Houses, and
their Resolution knowne thereupon; and that in the
meane while (as well before as after the full Setlement of Church Government) the Civill Power may
(accordinge to the Word of God and the Example of
godly Majestrates both of old and of late) proceed
to the suppressinge of scandalous Doctrines or Practises,
which are distructive to the Christian Faith, the
Power of Godlynes, or the Peace of the Church,
there being nothing more pernicious both to Church
and State then the leaveinge of all Men to an Autonomy in Religion; for although it bee farr from our
Thoughts to bee soe ridged as to desire, or, by Intention, Councell, or Suggestion, to bee accessary to
the troublinge of pious and peaceable Men, who
through Scruple of Conscience cannott in all Things
come upp to the Rule of Church Government; and
as it never was, soe it is not our Purpose, to make
any Impediment to the forbeareing of such, soe farre
as may agree with the Word of God, stand with the
Publique Peace, and not bee structive to the Order
and Government of the Church; yet wee cannott
choose but discharge our Consciences, in respecting
the extreame Necessity that some speedy and effectuall
Remedy may bee provided against the seperatinge and
withdrawinge from, or gathering Churches out of the
true Reforming Churches of this Nation, as if Membershipp therein were unlawfull, as likewise against
the Preaching of such as have neither received Ordination, nor have bin offered unto any orderly Tryall,
and approved as Candidates or Probationaryes for
the Ministry; and above all, against the Infection of
pernicious Heresyes, which multiply, growe, and
spraed daily more and more, to the greate Dishonnor of God, to the shaking of the very Foundations
of the Christian Faith, to the seduceing and destroyinge of many poore Soules, to the hardning and
strengthening of the comon Enemy, to the renting
and dividinge of Church and State, to the scandalizinge
of the Reformed Churches, and to the disappointing
of the Ends of the Covenant; soe that it is now
high Tyme to purge out (wee cannott say a little
Leaven, but) that which hath already leavened a
greate Part of the Lumpe, and may (if connived at)
quickly leaven the Whole; for which Cause (the Danger being soe greate an imminent) wee cannott forgett to mention the pressing and urgent Necessity of
restrayning effectually the unparalell'd scandalous
lycentious Printing and Publishing of Bookes, both
against Majestracy and Ministrey, and perticulerly
against the Authority of Parliament, against the Reverend Assembly of Divines, against the Covenant,
and the Publique Nationall Reformation, against the
Union of the Kingdomes, against the Church and
Kingdome of Scotland, and all the Reformed Churches,
yea against Jesus Christ Himselfe, and the Sacred
Word of God. All these Things lye sadd and heavy
upon our Spiritts; yet wee doe not only pray, but
trust that God will soe direct the Councells and
prosper the Indeavors of the Honnorable Houses of
Parliament, for the Reformation of Religion and
Peace of the Church, that their Care and Zeale may
appeare to bee greater for the Things of Christ
then for their owne Things, to the Glory of God
and of His Sonne Jesus Christ the only Head and
King of His Church, to the strengthening of the
Hearts and Hands of their Freinds, and to the stopping of the Mouthes of their Adversaryes.
"The Perticulers above expressed wee offer to the
Honnorable and Reverend Committee, to bee represented to the Houses of Parliament; whose Resolution and Answere therein wee earnestly desire, not
only for our owne Exoneration, that wee may seasonably give an Accompt of our Proceedings to those
who have entrusted us, and doe expect a further Accompt from us, but alsoe for the Comfort and Encouragment of the Church and Kingdome of Scotland, who waite for and will looke upon the Progresse of the soe-much-desired Reformation and Uniformity in Religion as the cheifest and most comfortable Recompence of all their Paines, Hazards, and Suferings, and as the strongest and surest Bond for keeping fast and firme the happy Union and Conjunction
of the Kingdomes against the common Enemyes,
which hath bin, and shal bee, our earnest Prayer
and faithfull Endeavor; being confident of our Brethren's reciprocall Affections, for continuinge and
strengthening of this Union, and for transmitting it
to the Generations following.
25 Dec. 1646.
"By Commaund of the Commissioners
of the Church of Scotland."
Remonstrance concerning the Distresses of the Scots Army in Ireland.
"For the Right Honnorable the Members of
both Houses of the Committee of both
Kingdomes, at Darby House.
"The humble Desires of Captaine Drumond, in
Name of the Scotts Army in Ireland.
"The Extreamity of the Necessityes and misserable
Condition of the Scottish Army in Ireland cannott bee
but very well knowne to this Honnorable Committee;
the Particulers whereof being in some Measure represented, both by Letters from the Army, dated
Junii 29, as alsoe by a late Paper given in by the
Commissioners of Scotland, in November, not yet reported to the Houses; to which he will subjoyne nothing: But whereas he hath bin imployed in Commission from that Army to informe the Honnorable
Houses of Parliament of their greate Wants and Sufferings, and to present their Desires for Redresse
thereof, and beinge referred by Order from the House
of Commons to the Committee of Lords and Commons for Ireland, he hath there constantly attended
neere the Space of Six Moneths, without receiveing
any Answere to the Particulers delivered to them in
Writinge concerning the Releife of that starved Army;
yet such has bin his unfained Respects to the Honnorable Houses of Parliament, and sincere Affection
to the Publique Service, that, in Expectation of a
speedy Dispatch answereable to their present Necessityes he hath made Choise rather to transgresse the
Tyme to which his Stay here is lymitted by his Commission, and, notwithstanding severall expresse Commaunds from those that sent him comaunding his
Retourne, still to attend the Pleasure of the Houses,
then to part from hence without any Answere at all,
or such as could give them noe Hopes of Releife,
but would undoubtedly have turned their languishinge Hopes into Dispaire, and without all Question
produced sad Effects; which he, by his incouraging
Letters, has all this Tyme laboured to prevent; and
now, without very speedy Remedy bee applyed, cannott bee longer averted: And whereas, after soe long
Attendance upon the Committee of Lords and Commons for Ireland, he hath lately received this Answere,
That in regard the weighty Affaires of that Kingdome are intrusted by the Parliament to the Honnorable Members of both Houses of this Committee,
that he is to make his Application hither, and from
thence to receive his Dispatch; he is inforced to
make it knowne here, That, unlesse he, with such
Answere as this Honnorable Committee shall thinke
fittinge, bee dispatched betwixt and the First of January next, he is necessitated and must forthwith repaire to that Army, to give unto them an Accompt
of his Labours and Indeavors here, with the bad
Successe thereof: And humbly leaves it to the Consideration of this Committee and the Honnorable
Houses, what may bee the Event, and what Effects
soe unsattisfactory a Report may worke in soe necessitous and distracted an Army; which as he trembles to thinke upon, soe he againe prayes and humbly requests that the Honnorable Houses will take
it to their wise and most serious Consideration, that a
speedy Answere may bee retourned to
"Your Honnors most humble Servaunt,
Order for 5000 l. to L. Grey.
"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled
in Parliament, That Five Thousand Pounds be paid
to William Lord Grey Baron of Warke, towards Satisfaction and Reparation of his Damages and Losses
sustained by reason of these Troubles, and for his
adhering to the Parliament, out of the First Monies
that shall arise for the Fine set upon Sutton
Esquire, for his Delinquency against the Parliament;
and that, in the mean Time, until the said Five
Thousand Pounds be raised by the Fine of the said
Mr. Sutton as aforesaid, that the said Lord Grey shall
receive and enjoy the Benefit and Profits of the Sequestration of the said Mr. Sutton's Estate, upon Accompt, towards Satisfaction and Payment of the said
Five Thousand Pounds: And the Committees and
Sequestrators, in whose Hands the Sequestration of
the said Estate now is, are hereby authorized and required to pay the Profits arising from the said Sequestration unto the said Lord Grey, or his Assignee,
in Manner and to the Purposes aforesaid."
House adjourned till 10a, Monday next.