DIE Sabbati, 9 Januarii.
Domini præsentes fuerunt:
Mr. Corbett prayed.
E. Manchester, Speaker.
L. Viscount Hereford.
Hill's Ordinance to be Rector of Brabrook.
The Ordinance for the settling the Parsonage and
Rectory of Brabrocke upon Mr. Thomas Hill, 1a, 2a lecta.
Ordered, To be sent to the House of Commons
for their Concurrence.
Committee for the Army.
Ordered, That the Committee for the Army are
to meet on Monday next, at Nine; and to adjourn from
Time to Time after as they please; and that the Quorum
is hereby appointed to be but Three.
Huc usque exam. per nos,
Ordinance concerning Chester.
Ordered, That the Committee for the Ordinance
concerning the County of Chester, shall meet on Monday
Morning next, and to adjourn as they shall see Cause.
Smart's Petition, for Ogle to be released.
"The Petition of Mr. Smarte; desiring, "That his
Son Ogle may be released or bailed, that he may
follow his Affairs, and he may have Relief out of
his Adversaries Estates."
It is Ordered, To be referred to the Earl of Warwicke, Earl of Sarum, and Lord Wharton, to consider of
some Way to do Mr. Smarte Good, and report the same
to this House: To meet when they please.
Report concerning the Jurisdiction of the Admiralty;
A Report was made from the Admiralty, concerning
the Jurisdiction of the Admiralty.
(Here enter it.)
Ordered, That it be sent to the House of Commons,
and to desire the hastening of the Jurisdiction of the
and about Capt. Reeve.
A Report from the Admiralty, for Captain Reeve.
(Here enter it.)
Ordered, To be sent to the House of Commons,
for their Concurrence.
Letters from Ireland.
(fn. *) Entered the Day before.
The Commissioners First Letter to Major General
Monro, with his Answer thereunto, concerning Belfast,
was read. (Here enter it.)
Persons to attend the King to Holdenby.
The Earl of Denbigh reported from the Committee
that are to go to (fn. *)
Newcastle, to receive the Person of
the King; "That they think it too great a Business for
them to appoint who shall be about the King as He
comes to Holdenby; and they have made a Vote,
(videlicet,) That the Houses be desired to nominate
such Persons as shall attend the King in His Journey
from Newcastle to Holdenby."
Upon this, the House referred it to the Committee,
that they, if they name any Persons for that End as
they desire, and present the same to the House, their
Lordships will take the same into Consideration.
These Papers next were read:
Letters between the English Commissioners in Ireland, and the Scots Commander there, &c. &c.
"3 Dec. 1646.
"The Commissioners Second Letter to Major General
Monro, with his Answer thereto, 4 Dec. 1646."
(Here enter it.)
"7 Dec. 1646.
"A Paper from the Commissioners to Colonel Home,
concerning Belfast. (Here enter it.)
"With his Answer thereunto, 9 Dec. 1646."
"15 Dec. 1646.
"Copy of the Commissioners Letter to the Parliament
of Scotland and General Leven, concerning the Town
of Belfast, &c." (Here enter it.)
Lloyd to be examined, about his Report against the E. of Pemb. & Northumb.
Ordered, That the Gentleman Usher shall bring
Lloyd before this House; and that he be sworn: The
Committee to meet this Afternoon; and the Earl of
Warwicke, Earl of Mulgrave, and the Lord Grey, are
added to the said Committee.
Col. Ayscough to be Vice Admiral of Lincoln.
The Earl of Warwicke reported a Paper from the
Committee for the Admiralty and Cinque Ports, which
was read; videlicet,
"Die Jovis, 7 Januarii, 1646.
"On the Motion of Mr. Holles, a Member of this
Committee; Ordered, That Colonel Edward Ayschough be recommended to both Houses of Parliament, for their approving him to be Vice Admiral of
the County of Lyncolne.
"Rob't Coytmor, Secretary."
Ordered, That this House approves of Colonel
(fn. †) to be Vice Admiral of the County of
Lyncolne; and the Concurrence of the House [ (fn. †) of Commons] to be desired herein.
Papers between the English Commissioners in Ireland, and the Scots Commissioners, &c. &c. about Belfast.
The Instructions from the Commissioners to Lieutenant
Colonel O Connelly, employed to the Parliament of Scotland, &c. concerning the Town of Belfast, were read.
(Here enter it.)
A Copy of a Paper of the Scotts Commissioners at
London, concerning the Town of Belfast.
(Here enter it.)
An Answer to a Paper of the Scotts Commissioners
at London, concerning the Town of Belfast.
(Here enter it.)
Ordered, That these Papers be communicated to
the House of Commons.
Message to the H. C. about Lloyd's Examination.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath:
To let them know, that Lloyd being come to Town,
the Lords have appointed their Committee to examine
him this Afternoon; which the Lords think fit to acquaint them with it, that so the Committee of the House
of Commons may be present, if they think fit.
Instructions for the Lord Lieut. of Ireland.
The House was adjourned into a Committee during
Pleasure, to take into Consideration the Instructions to
be given to the Lord Viscount Lisle, to be Lieutenant
The House was resumed.
Instructions for the Committee going to the King.
The Earl of Denbigh reported from the Committee
that is to go to Newcastle, " That they desire their
Lordships further Directions in some Particulars,
whereby they may be the better enabled to do the
"1. In the Second Instruction, to desire that the Words
may be thus expressed, ["You are, after your Arrival,
as soon as you shall think convenient, to signify unto
His Majesty, &c."]."
"2. To put the Houses in Mind, That the House
at Holdenby may be repaired, and Provision made for
the King in His Journey, and when He is come to
3. That a Coach be sent, to meet the King."
The Earl of Pembrooke further reported, "That it
was the Opinion of the Committee, That One Lord
more be added, with a proportionable Number of
the House of Commons; else they shall not be able
to perform their Charge laid upon them in their Instructions."
"And the Question being put, "Whether to have
another Lord to be added to this Committee
that is to go to the King?"
It was Resolved in the Negative.
Indemnity for them.
Ordered, That the Committee shall meet, and bring
in what they shall think fit to offer to the House concerning their Indemnity.
This Day Thomas Lloyd was brought to the Bar, and
sworn; being to be examined this Afternoon by the
Committee concerning the Earl of Northumb. and Earl
E. of Midd. to have the forest of Kingswood.
Ordered, That the Earl of Midd. have the Com
mand of the Forest of Kingswood, near Bristoll, which
the Earl of Arrundell enjoyed during his Life.
Charge against the Earls of Northumb. & Pemb.
Ordered, That the Lord Willoughby be added to
the Committee concerning the Earls of Northumb. and
Ordinance concerning the Army.
Ordered, That the Lord Hunsdon and Lord Maynard
be added to the Committee for the Ordinance concerning
the Army; and the Quorum to be any Five.
Message to the H C. about the Instructions for the Committee going to the King.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath:
To communicate to them the Paper containing the
Alterations in the Instructions to the Committee that are
to go to receive the Person of the King, and the Desires
of that Committee; and to desire Concurrence therein.
2d Letter from the English Commissioners in Ireland, to General Munro, about Quartering the English Forces in Belfast.
"2. Honourable Sir,
"Yours of the First of December we received Yesterday; and do assure you, That, as it is our earnest
Desire, it shall be our Endeavour, to continue mutual
Love and Friendship betwixt all the Forces intended
against the common Enemy; so we are confident the
seuding us and the Forces hither by the Parliament of
England is intended for the Advantage, and not the
Prejudice, either of the Army or Country; and we
know of nothing so likely to deprive both of the
Fruits of the Parliament's good Intentions therein, as
the Soldiers not being provided of Shelter (which is
all that we proposed in our Letter), they being come
to adventure their Lives for the Preservation of these
Parts, and advancing the Cause wherein we are mutually engaged against the common Enemy. And we
offer to your Consideration, how unsatisfactory it may
be to the Parliament, if the Forces which they have
sent hither for those Ends should perish with Cold,
for Want of Harbour in any Town or Parts they
have directed them unto, being kept from the same
by any serving the Parliament in the same Cause,
whom they concluded to be under your Command,
and who may be so considered as not to be in the least
Sort prejudiced by Observance of their Directions.
"Sir, We cannot doubt but you will approve yourself an useful Instrument to the Public; and that,
in particular Manifestation thereof, you will so apply
your Advice and Endeavours for accommodating the
Forces directed hither, that the End of our Errand
for the Public Service may not be disappointed, nor
the good Understanding and mutual Friendship betwixt the Kingdoms and their Forces any Ways obstructed; in Confidence whereof, we remain.
"Your affectionate Friends and Servants,
Belfast, 3 Dec. 1646.
"Rob't Mer'dith. Ros. Kinge.
"For the Honourable Major General Monro, at
General Munro's Answer.
I answered yours of the First of December that
Afternoone I received it; and, if my Health had
served me, I had bin the Bearer myselfe, to testify
my Respects unto you, in giveing my best Advise, for
the Accomodation of the Souldates, &c. whome
my Heart doth pitty. This Day I was not able to
travell abroad, being under Phisick, for which I intrease your Pardon till it please God to ease me and
blesse me with better Health; and then (God willing)
I shall not faile to waite upon you, to doe you all
the Service I can. What I have declared already
touchinge Belfast, I protest to God I cannott vary from
it without an expresse Commaund from the Earle of
Leven, Generall to the Scotts Army in Ireland; for it
being contrary to the Treaty that wee should mix
in Quartering (if any Inconvenience should happen
thereby, as the Lord forbidd) the Generall would
call me to an Accompt for the same, as be may doe,
if I should consent to the giveing upp of our Garrisons without his Knowledge. Therefore I humbly
intreate you to rest sattisfyed, and not to presse me
beyond my Power. And I doe thinke you may conveniently accomodate the Souldiers, with such Shelter as the poore Country can afford, amongest the
Brittish Regiments, by your owne Authority, without
Dispute or Controversy to ensue; which will not faile
to burst out if you should quarter them mixt with
the Scottish Regiments, who understands the Treaty
soe well, as they will not part with their Quarters
willingly. And as you are Gentlemen intrusted
with Commission from the Parliament of England, I
am very hopefull and confident you will desire nothing
of us wee cannott safely part with, without indangering of our Trust, dearer to us then our
Lives. Soe leaving to bee tedious, recomending
you and your weighty Affaires to the Protection of
the Almighty, I humbly take Leave, and remaine as becometh
"Your affectionate Freind and humble Servaunt,
Carricksargus, 4th of December, 1646.
"For the Honnorable the Commissioners for
the Parliament of England residing at
"Vera Copia, examinat.
"Will'm Rowe, Secretary."
Letter from the English Commissioners to Col. Home, Governor of Belfast, about admitting the English Forces there.
"3. At Belfast, 7th December, 1646.
"We, the Commissioners sent from the Parliament
of England (according to our Commission, of the 16th
of October, 1646), being commanded to direct the
Forces (now sent thence) to Belfast, and having upon
our Arrival acquainted Major General Monro with
their being come to quarter in this Place accordingly
(that so the Parliament might receive Satisfaction,
and their Forces convenient Shelter and Accommodation necessary for the Preservation of their Lives in
this Winter Season), and finding the Answer returned
to us in his Letter unsatisfactory, withall importing
that his Command over you in this Place could not
reach so far as to put you from the same; we do,
therefore, by this, desire to know from you, by
whose Authority you have garrisoned this Town; and
that we may see what Order you have for keeping
the same, and know your positive Resolution, whether or no you will allow the Forces directed hither
by the Parliament, and now landed, to be garrisoned
in the Town of Belfast, according to the Directions
of the Parliament of England: To which we desire
your present Answer in Writing signed by you.
"Rob't Meredith. Rob. King. Jo. Clotworthy.
"For the Honourable Colonel Home."
Col. Home's Answer.
"May it please you, in Answere to the Parliament's
Desire presented by your Secretary to me, That I
should guarrison their Forces (now arrived in Ulster)
in Belfast; I humbly crave your Patience, being but
a Servaunt to the Publique, sent hither by Commission from His Majesty and Commissioners of both
Kingdomes; soe, being intrusted with the keeping of
the Place, I cannott take upon me to guarrison any
Forces therein untill I acquaint the State of Scotland,
the which I shall doe with all possible Dilligence.
Belfast, this 9th of Dec. 1646.
"For the Right Honnorable the Commissioners from the Parliament of England.
"Will'm Rowe, Secretary."
Letter from the English Commissioners in Ireland, to the Parliament of Scotland and the E. of Leven, desiring the Delivery of Belfast by their Forces to the English.
"4. 15 Decembris, 1646.
"May it please your Lordships,
"Though we are assured your Lordships are busied
with many weighty and important Affairs; yet such
is the Exigent of a Matter (as we conceive) of no
small Consequence (in order to the Public Service in
which we are employed into this Kingdom by the
Parliament of England) that now we are at this Time
necessitated to make this Address to your Lordships
concerning the same, having communicated our Errand to the Persons we conceived principally concerned upon the Place; (to wit,) Major General
Monro and Colonel Home, without the wished Effect
which we expected in that Affair, as by the inclosed
"And though we are confident your Lordships are
fully possessed of all the Passages concerning the several Orders and Letters of the Parliament of England for Delivery of this Town of Belfast to such as
the Parliament should appoint, yet we humbly crave
your Lordships Patience so far as to hear a Recital
"The Lords and Commons assembled in the Parliament of England made an Ordinance, of the 23th of
November, 1645, desiring their Commissioners residing
in Ulster to require from the Officers that kept Belfast the Delivery thereof to such as should be appointed by the Parliament, or their Committee, to
receive the same.
"Pursuant to this (left there should be any Failure
upon the former Order), both Houses of the Parliament of England writ their Letters to the Parliament
of Scotland, that their Directions and Orders might
be sent to the Officers commanding in Ireland, that
the Town of Belfast (whereupon so much of the good
Conduct of that Affair depended) might be delivered,
according to the former Order of the Parliament of
England, by the 11th of January following, or thereabouts, for the Accommodation of that Service.
"To the said Order of the 13th of November, 1645,
Colonel Home, that commands in Belfast, in the Name
of himself and the rest of those Officers, makes Answer, on the 26th December, 1645, craving Patience
until such Time as they acquaint the State of Scotland therewith. His Second and last Answer, of the
17th of February following, mentions, that the Commissioners of Scotland at London had received so satisfactory an Answer to be given to the Parliament,
that they doubt not will give them all Content, and,
until he hears from thence, desires to be excused.
"To the Letter sent from the Parliament of England,
the 29th of November, 1645, to the Parliament of
Scotland, there was an Answer, signed by the Earl of
Crafurde Lindsey, President of Parliament, and directed to the Speakers of both Houses of the Parliament of England, bearing Date the 8th of January, 1646 (Stylo Scotiæ), to this Purpose; (videlicet,) "That they might return a Reply and full
Answer immediately to the Parliament of England,
they had dispatched an Express to Ireland; to know
from them that commanded the Scotts Army the
Ground whereupon that Town was first inserted, and
since fortified and kept by them; and so rests confident, that, when the Houses considers the Season of
the Year, and uncertain Passage betwixt Scotland
and Ireland, they will not mistake the Delay of their
Answer, which they will labour to haste to the Parliament of England with all Diligence."
"These Two Answers of Colonel Home's to the Order of the 13th of November, and this Answer to the
Letter of the 29th of November, 1645, being all that
the Parliament had received, before our coming
from London, in Satisfaction of theirs so long since
sent; the Committee of both Houses intrusted for
the managing of the Affairs of Ireland (conceiving it
doth highly import the Safety of the Kingdom to
secure these Parts by an Access of Forces sent from
England to preserve their Interest here, being incited
also thereunto through the Occasion of that unhappy
Defeat given our Forces near Benburbe, and the
rather because the Irish were grown much more numerous, to the endangering of this Province, and
consequently the whole Kingdom) have directed us
hither, together with a considerable Strength both
of Horse and Foot, and ordered our garrisoning of
this Town of Belfast with the Forces now landed on
"But, much contrary to what we had Cause to
believe, and to the great Prejudice of our suffering
Soldiers, we find our Expectation utterly disappointed, as the Answers to several Letters here inclosed do import; nor can we apprehend any less
Inconvenience will follow this Refusal (if not speedily
remedied by your Lordships express Orders) but
the inevitable Destruction of these Men; most of
them being now exposed to such Hardships, and
languishing through the Extremity of Cold, as your
Lordships would not wish more to the worst of Enemies.
"We have therefore now, by the Bearer, Lieutenant
Colonel O Connelly, dispatched this Express to your
Lordships, that from your Lordships Hands the Inconveniencies now lying on, through the Want of
Power in those here (as they alledge), may be removed, and such speedy Remedy applied (for obviating this instant Mischief), by Delivery of this
Town of Belfast, as may give Satisfaction to those
that sent us, be a Means of strengthening a mutual
Confidence betwixt the Two Kingdoms, an Encouragement for the Parliament of England to proceed
in a vigorous Prosecution of the War by sending
future Supplies, and a Preservation to those Men
sent hither to a much more steadable Advantage than
they are like (if continued but a few Days longer in
this Condition) to be useful in.
"And though we rest confident, if there were no
more in the Case but the accommodating of these
Men in the Quarters they are directed unto by the
Parliament of England, your Lordships Orders would
be speedily procured for the same; yet we hold it
our Part, as a Consideration of some Justice, to offer
unto your Lordships, that this Town was fortified,
garrisoned, and maintained, from the Beginning of
the War, by the Brittish Forces, without any of the
Scottish Army (so much as quartered in it), until
Seven Months after the Landing of that Army in this
Kingdom, which was more than Twelve Months after
the Rebellion broke forth; which may sufficiently refel an Assertion much insisted on (as we understand)
by some in no remote Relation to your Lordships Affairs, alledging that Part of the Scottish Forces were
quartered in Belfast from the Time of their First
Landing, which, we are confident, will be found
much otherwise; Part of Colonel Campbell's Regiment (which were the First that sheltered in Belfast)
coming not thither until November, 1642, as is well
known to his Excellency the Earl of Leven, who
hath been several Times in the Town after it was
fortified by the Brittish, and before these Men, or
any other of the Scottish Army, were admitted into
"And though we take not upon us to excuse or
extenuate any of the Miscarriages of Colonel Chichester; yet, as any Thing is suggested to fortify the
Reasons of detaining the Town (so properly and intirely belonging [ (fn. *) to the] Disposal of the Parliament
of England), we conceive it our Parts to endeavour the
rectifying of any Mistake in that Kind; and rest assured, that, whatever Consequence is drawn from the
Report of Colonel Chichester agreeing to the Cessation with the Irish Rebels contrary to the Declaration
of the Parliament of England, is so fully known to
be ill-grounded, that nothing is more manifest than
that his Regiment was One of those that were before
Charliamont when the News of the Cessation came to
that Army; that they continued with the longest at
that Time in the Field; and that he sent on all Occasions, after that Time, Part of his Regiment with the
other Forces when they went abroad, partaking also
in the Dividend of the Cattle gotten from the Rebels,
as others did that attended that Service; and all this
was constantly done after the Cessation, and until the
Town was possessed by Major General Monro, Colonel Chichester being then only permitted to stay in
the Castle with One Hundred of his Regiment, and
the rest of them at that Time designed to quarter in
the Parts near the Town: And truly, though Colonel
Chichester had submitted to the Cessation contrary to
the Directions of Parliament, yet why he should be
therefore conceived as One that is in the Condition
of an Irish Rebel, and so to bring the Place taken
from within Compass of the Tenth Article of the
Treaty of the 6th of August, 1642, we understand
not; and certainly his Fault, at the Time of taking
this Town from him, was not apprehended so heinous
as some do since call it, or the Indulgence great
which was used towards him, in permitting him to
abide in the Castle with One Hundred of his Men,
in quartering the rest of his Regiment near Belfast,
and suffering him to dispose of his Stock without
Contradiction; and (when he would remove) in allowing him to depart hence to Dublin avowedly
(when he made no such Condition for himself, but
was at the Pleasure of those that had both him and
the Town in their Possession). We cannot but observe that this Gentleness was more by many Degrees
than is usually afforded to Rebels; or otherwise that
his Offence at that Time was not such as to be a sufficient Ground (or Colour) for taking, much less for
keeping the Town, and making such Conclusions as
are now from thence.
"If we found not these Arguments used by some
public Persons (who may possibly enforce them to a
much further Scope than we conceive they can bear),
we had not troubled your Lordships with this Discourse; all we propounded to ourselves herein being
only to evince the Invalidity of such Arguments as
may seem (fn. *) to pretend Title to the keeping of this
Place on those Grounds which we conceive have
no Colour of Reason to bring the same within the
"Having thus been drawn out to much more Length
than we intended, your Lordships Pardon is humbly
craved; and we do most earnestly desire that your
Lordships will be pleased to answer the same with a
speedy and an express Order for our having this
Place delivered to us, for receiving our distressed
People; that they perish not through Want of what
is but reasonably expected, and positively given in
Charge to the Colonels commanding these Forces, as
Belfast, the 15th of December, 1646.
Most humble Servants,
"Postscript. If your Lordships rest unsatisfied
concerning any Particulars in this Business, Lieutenant Colonel O Connelly hath
such Instructions from us therein, as
we hope may give your Lordships full
"For the Right Honourable the Lords,
Barons, and Burgesses, assembled in
the Parliament of Scotland, or, in the
Interval of Parliament, for the Right
Honourable the Committee of Estates
of Scotland at Edinburgh.
"The like Letter (mutatis mutandis) was sent by
Lieutenant Colonel O Connelly, from the Commissioners above written, to his Excellency the
Earl of Leven, Lord General of the Scotts Armies, dated the same Day above written.
"Vera Copia, ex'r.
"Will'm Rowe, Secretary."
"5. Instructions for Lieutenant Colonel Owen
O Connelly, employed to the Parliament of
Scotland by the Commissioners of the Parliament of England, for the Affairs of Ireland.
Instructions for Col. O Connelly, going to Scotland about this Business.
"1. You are to repair to Edinburgh, and to make
your Application to the Parliament of Scotland, or
such Committees as they have deputed for the Dispatch of Businesses during the Time of Prorogation,
and present them with your Letters. You are humbly to desire their Dispatch of you, because the Lives
of so many Men as are now come into these Parts are
concerned in the speedy Resolving thereof.
"2. You are to lay before them the Danger of
other Inconveniencies which may arise, through the
Want of Receipt for the Men in the Town of Belfast,
whither they are directed by the Parliament of England; which Inconveniencies the Commissioners do
by all Means labour to prevent, though to the perishing of many of the poor Men, who, in this Condition of Sufferings, through an unexpected Disappointment, are apt enough to enterprize any Thing
rather than to be manifestly exposed to perishing
"3. If it be objected, that your Soldiers now in
Belfast will be exposed to Starving, through the
Want of the Means and Subsistence they get from
the Quarters wherein they are, until they be better
provided for by the Parliament of England; you are
to answer, That the Commissioners will be so tender
of their Preservation, that they shall not be Sufferers
in the least Degree as to their Maintenance, by
yielding to what is directed by the Parliament of England; for manifesting thereof, the Commissioners will
give them Six Months Means in their Hands, according to what is now gotten from their Quarters;
and if, before that Time be expired, there be not a
better Way found out for their Subsistence, they
will then take Care that the like Provision shall be
given for Six Months longer, and so during their
Stay; or otherwise that they shall receive the same
Benefit of the Quarters which formerly they had.
"4. If the Want of Shelter for the Scotts Forces
here be objected; you may answer, When the Army
were Ten Regiments, neither these nor any Part of
the Scottish Army had Quarter or Shelter in this
Town, and now they are much fewer both in Regiments and Numbers; and the Quarters which formerly they had being much better, it is to be hoped,
for satisfying the Parliament of England, for accommodating of so good Friends, and preserving the
Lives of their Brethren, that they will comply in this
just and necessary Act.
"5. You may further press, that Colonel Home's
Regiment now garrisoned here were Part of the Two
Thousand Five Hundred Men first sent over, who had
Quarters particularly designed for them in Carrickfargus.
"6. You are to give Assurance of all free Intercourse through the Quarter on all Occasions, either
for their Army or Artillery.
"7. If it be objected, that this Business hath been
in Agitation at London, and that the Commissioners
for Scotland there were instructed to give a satisfactory
Answer to the Parliament for their Keeping or Detention of this Town, and the Grounds of their possessing it at first, by taking it from Colonel Chichester;
you are to answer, That the Commissioners here
came from London before any such Paper was communicated to the Parliament of England; but that
there is a Copy of a Paper sent to them (which they
have delivered to you), but was not at the Time of
their receiving of it communicated to the Parliament,
and whether it be yet made known unto them is
uncertain: But, for satisfying themselves in whatsoever might carry any Colour of Reason why this
Town (so properly belonging to the Parliament's
Dispose) should be thus detained from them (to the
manifest Ruin of their Men and Prejudice of the
Service), they have informed themselves of the Particulars mentioned in the Paper, which the Testimony
of several Persons (who were Eye-witnesses of the
Carriage of that Business) do fully evidence; and
this Answer you may communicate, either in Whole
or in Part, to the Marquis of Argill, the Lord Warriston, or such other Persons of Honour as you conceive may be ready to receive just Satisfaction therefrom, and be thereby made useful for the facilitating
of your Business.
"You have this Paper last-mentioned, with the Answer to it.
"You have particular Letters to the Marquis of Argill and Lord Warriston.
"You have the Copy of the Letter written to the
Parliament of Scotland and the Earl of Leven.
"You have the Copies of the several Letters to Major
General Monro and Colonel Home, with their Answers; all which you are to make Use of, together
with all just Arguments as you conceive may conduce
to the effecting of this Business; which if denied,
may prove a Mischief to us all, which we hope God
"You are so to order your Business, that your Stay
there be not above Six Days, lest the Men do all of
them perish before your Return, or such Mischief
arise through their so much Suffering as may produce Effects of very ill Consequence to both Armies.
"Rob. Meredith. Rob. Kinge.
Belfast, the 15 Decembris, 1646.
"Will'm Rowe, Secretary."
Paper from the Scots Commissioners, about the Delivery of Belfast to the English Forces.
"6. According to the Direction of the Committee
of Estates of the Kingdome of Scotland, wee
doe retourne this Answere followinge, to the
Desire of the Honnorable Houses of Parliament, concerning the Surrender of Belfast.
"1. That Colonell Arthur Chichester, contrary to
the Declaration of both Houses, 1 Novembr. 1643,
did agree to the Cessation made with the Irish.
"2. That, upon his Agreement to the Cessation,
3000£. Sterling was promised to him out of the
Cessation of Money, whereof he received 500£.
"3. That he kept constant Correspondence with the
Lord of Ormond, by Letters and other Wayes, after
"4. That he conveyed Adjutant Stewart and Colonell Seaton, then come from the King's Army in England, from Belfast to Dublin, there to negotiate with
"5. That, upon Orders from the Lord of Ormond,
he caused proclaime all those that joyned with the
Covenant Traytors and Rebells, and administred an
Oath to his Regiment and Inhabitants for opposeing
"6. That he cashiered all such as had taken the
Covenant, or refused to take the Oath against it.
"7. That, from the Tyme of the First Landing of
the Scottish Army in Ireland, there was alwayes a
Part of the Scottish Forces quartered in Belfast, untill
the 17th of March, 1643, that Colonell Campbell's
Regiment went into Scotland; and the said Towne was
only a Place for Quarters, and not fortifyed, till (after the Removall of the Scottish Forces) Colonell Chichester brought his Regiment and Troopes, which
was quartered in the County, into the Towne, and,
by Order from the Earle of Ormond, fortifyed the
same, planted Canon in the Works, and did begin
to cutt of the High Way that enters Carrickfargus
Port; whereupon Major Generall Monro, being advertised, on the 12th of May, 1644, that the Lord of
Ormond and Councell in Dublin had resolved to convey 1500 Men into Belfast, for the further strengthening of that Guarrison, did, upon the 14th of May, in
the Morning, surprise the Forces under the Commaund
of Colonell Chichester, and possessed himselfe of the
Towne of Belfast before they could bee in Readines
to make Opposition; whereupon the said Colonell
went to Dublin, and his Forces to the Rebells; and
the Lord of Ormond and Councell there, findinge
themselves disappointed in their Designe, wrote a
Letter to Major Generall Monro, within Three Dayes
after the Towne was taken, requireinge him to restore
to Colonell Chichester the said Towne of Belfast, with
all the Ordnance, Armes, Ammunition, &c. as may
appeare by the said Letter herewith presented.
"Now, forasmuch as the said Colonell Chichester
and his Regiment had agreed to the Cessation, and
joyned with the Rebells in their Councells and Actions, and soe continued in avowed Opposition and
open Rebellion against the Parliament of England for
the Space of Six Moneths after the Declaration of
the Honnorable Houses; the Comaunder in Cheife
of the Scottish Army was obliged, by his Comission
and Instructions, to indeavor the reduceing of that
Guarrison; and haveinge recovered the same out of
the Hands of the Rebells, the said Towne or Garrison of Belfast ought to bee at the disposeinge of the
Comaunders thereof, dureinge their Aboad for that
Service in those Parts, where such Townes and Places
are, according to the Tenth Article of the Treaty betweene the Kingdomes, of the Sixt of August, 1642,
especially since it is soe necessary for quarteringe of
the Scottish Forces there, who otherwise are not able
to subsist, noe Care beinge taken for their Entertainment.
"And as the said Garrison, since it was in the Power
of the Scottish Army, hath alwayes beene patent to
any haveing Authority from the Honnorable Houses,
for Magazins and other Uses, soe shall it still bee
for the future upon all Occasions.
"Vera Copia, exam'r.
"Will'm Rowe, Secretary."
Answer of the English Commissioners in Ireland to it.
"7. An Answer to a Paper intituled, "According to the Direction of the Committee of
Estates of the Kingdome of Scotland, wee doe
retourne this Answere following to the Desire
of the Honnorable Houses of Parliament concerning the Surrender of Belfast."
"To the First Branch or Article thereof, it is answered, That the Time when the Cessation with the
Irish was concluded, the Scottish Army lay before
Charliamont; and, upon Notice given out of the
Castle that the Cessation was concluded, Major General Monro did raise his Siege, and retired with his
Army: There were with him then in the Field several Regiments of the Brittish Army, and amongst
the rest Colonel Chichester's Regiment, where he was
also himself in Person. The said Colonel Chichester
staid with his Regiment some Weeks in the Field,
after the Retreat of the Scottish Army; but the
greatest Part of their Body being withdrawn in the Retirement of the Scottish Forces there, who staid abroad
some Time, and would have continued longer, but
found it not safe (being so weak) to expose themseives to the Attempts of the Enemy; and, after
wasting so much of the Rebels Corn as they could,
they returned to their Quarters, as the Scotts Army
had done before them; and if this be agreeing to
the Cessation, others were as guilty of it as that
"To the Second; there was no such Agreement to
the Cessation heard of, nor any such Promise of
Three Thousand Pounds, nor any Sum of Money paid
upon such Consideration: But one Lieutenant Colonel
Mathewes (having Command both of Horse and Foot
in Ulster), about Five or Six Months after the Cessation began, being in Dublin, and remonstrating the
miserable State of several Regiments about the Quarters where he lay, did procure about Two Hundred and
Fifty Pounds only for their Relief, a Third Part
whereof was given to the Regiment of the Lord Conway, another Third to Colonel Hill's Regiment of
Horse, and the other Third Part to Colonel Chich'ster's Regiment of Foot; which, upon Examination, we find was all the Cessation-money sent into
"To the Third; at and about that Time, many of
the Colonels of the Brittish Army repaired to Dublin,
to the Earl of Ormond, the Intercourse betwixt Dublin and all the Parts of Ulster being very familiar,
which was the universal Fault amongst them; yet
neither such as went thither, nor those that sent,
were ever questioned, much less charged as Rebels
for so doing, except in this Particular only of Colonel
Chichester: But whatsoever his Correspondency was,
it is notoriously known, that, after the Cessation, Colonel Chichester did join on all Occasions in sending
forth Parties against the Rebels, in destroying their
Corn, and taking their Cattle, whereof he shared as
any other Colonel did, according to the Numbers of
Men he sent abroad with them.
"To the Fourth; upon Examination, we find that
Adjutant Steuart and Colonel Seaton were suffered to
pass through Colonel Chichester's Garrison, as they
also did through the Scottish Quarters and other Garrisons, without Interruption or Question, (fn. *) of Intercourse betwixt Dublin and these Parts being then too
open and frequent.
"To the Fifth; there was a Proclamation issued at
Dublin against the Covenant, wherein all the Subjects of this Kingdom were commanded not to take
it; several of which Proclamations were sent to the
Colonels of the Regiments of the Brittish Army, and
they were strictly required by the Marquis of Ormond
to proclaim the same. After the said Colonel Chichester
had forborne the publishing the said Proclamation
for several Months (though both threatened and persuaded thereunto), his Lieutenant Colonel, who had
sometimes Dependence on the Marquis of Ormond,
caused the same to be published: But there was never
any Oath administered, either to his Regiment or to
the Inhabitants, for opposing of the same; nor was
any such Thing heard of in these Parts.
"To the Sixth; though divers of his Regiment had
formerly taken the Covenant, he never cashiered any
for so doing; nor was there any such Oath proposed
(as is answered in the former Article), for the refusing whereof any could possibly suffer: Neither did
any quit the Regiment upon the publishing that Proclamation, save one Lieutenant Mac Adam, who took
Occasion thereupon to repair into Scotland, though he
was earnestly desired by Colonel Chichester, to stay,
and was promised all Encouragements for so doing.
"To the Seventh, the First Landing of the Scottish
Army in Ireland was in April, 1642, and Part of
Colonel Campbell's Regiment, who were the First
Scottish Regiment that quartered in Belfast, came not
there until November following (being Seven Months),
so that it plainly appears no Part of the Scottish
Forces quartered in Belfast for Seven Months after
the First Landing of the Scottish Army in Ireland
And it is no less evident that the said Town was not
a Place for Quarters only, but fortified, garrisoned,
and maintained, by the Brittish, before there was
any Part of the Scottish Army in this Kingdom, and
so continued for Seven Months after the Landing of
that Army, before any of them had Quarter in it,
which also they received only by Permission, upon
Promise they should depart the Garrisons, and find
other Quarters, at the Spring And as Colonel
Chichester's were in the Town before any of the
Scottish Forces came into it, so were they never quar
tered without the Town before Colonel Campbell's
going for Scotland, whose Men while they were in
the Town did help to strengthen and fortify the
same, and, after their Removal, Colonel Chichester proceeded in mending the Works, and planting
Cannon there, and possibly by Orders from the Earl
of Ormond, but at that Time Colonel Chichester was
as forward against the Rebels (for aught appearing)
as any others in Service against them, several Irish
taken in Arms having not long before been condemned and executed by his Orders As for Major
General Monroe's being advertised on the 12th of
May, that the Lord of Ormond and Council intended
to convey One Thousand Five Hundred Men into Belfast, it is likely he might have such Intelligence, but
it is well known, the Earl of Ormond was then no
Ways able to spare One Thousand Five Hundred
Men from the Garrison under his Command And
what Apprehensions or Suggestions soever moved
Major General Monro to surprize and take the Town
from Colonel Chichester, as from an Enemy and Rebel,
yet, after he was possessed of the Town, Colonel
Chichester was permitted to abide in the Castle with
One Hundred of his Men, the rest of his Regiment
being allowed to quarter near Belfast (though not
in it), and was also suffered to enjoy the Benefit of
his Estate, and to dispose of his Stock, without Contradiction, which was such Indulgence as is not
usually offered to Enemies and Rebels, and if he
were such, why was not he called to a Council of
War at the Time, or secured and sent a Prisoner to
the Parliament of England, but suffered to depart
thence to Dublin avowedly And however Colonel
Chichester and his Forces, being thrust out of their
Interest and Accommodation as aforesaid, did go to
Dublin, and in any subsequent Acts concurred with
the King's Faction, that were in avowed Opposition
and open Rebels against the Parliament, yet it ought
to be considered that the Town was first wrested
from them, and possessed by the Scottish Forces, before his going to Dublin, and there joining with the
King's Party against the Parliament, and certainly,
as no precedent Act of his (though with all the Aggravations alledged) can, either by any Declaration
of Parliament, or the Treaty, or any Way else,
render him in the same Condition with an Irish Rebel,
so neither was the Commander in Chief of the Scottish Army obliged, by his Commission or Instructions,
to endeavour the reducing of that Garrison out of
his Hands, as out of the Hands of the Irish Rebels,
who alone are to be understood as Rebels by the
Treaty And therefore, the said Town and Garrison
not being taken from the Irish Rebels, there is no
Ground from the Tenth Article of the Treaty why
it should be at the disposing of the Commander in
Chief of the Scottish Army And admit it were
granted that there might be Reason then in Prudence
to secure the Place, yet will it not follow that the
Parliament should therefore be debarred from enjoying and disposing of the same And seeing the
Commanders of the Scottish Army are by the said
Tenth Article of the Treaty to be answerable for
their whole Deportment to the Two Houses of
the Parliament of England, they ought therefore
(according to then Commands) to deliver the said
Town of Belfast to such as from them are directed
thither, especially since it is so necessary for the
Quartering of the Forces lately sent from England,
who otherwise are likely to perish, no convenient
Place being patent for their Accommodation elsewhere in these Parts.
Belfast, 15 Decembris 1646
"By Command of the Commissioners from
the Parliament of England,
"Will'm Rowe, Secretary"
Letter from the English Commissioners in Ireland, giving an Account of then Proceedings since their being there, and recommending Major Ormsby
"May it please your Lordships,
"We rest assured that, ere this, Sir Thomas Wharton
and Major Salwey will have fully acquainted your
Lordships with all our Proceedings at Dublin, and
in what Posture they left us the 29th of November
last under the Head of Hoath, and we had not thus
long deferred to give your Lordships an Account
of the Condition of our Affairs here, but that the
continued Storms for several Days after our Arrival,
and the Succession of cross Winds since, prevented
our Desires therein
Having, through God's Mercy, passed the Danger
of a very great Storm, that assailed us in the Dark
of the Night the 29th of November, we arrived in
the Harbour of Dunochadee the 30th, and landed
that Afternoon at Groomesport, our Fleet being scattered with the Storm, and divers Ships missing
"The next Day we gave Order for landing our
Men that were aboard such Vessels as came in with
us, and for their Quartering at Bangor and Dunochadee for the present, ourselves hastening to Belfast,
to take Care for their Reception and Accommodation
in that Place, to which your Lordships had directed
But, to our great Trouble and Disappointment,
their Entrance into this Place was denied, and
their coming to garrison or quarter there is still refused to be yielded unto, by Major General Monro,
and Colonel Home the Commander of the Scottish
Garrison here, as will more fully appear to your
Lordships by their Answers to our Demands and
Desires in Writing made in that Behalf, Copies
whereof are herewith transmitted to your Lordships.
"And finding the One to insist upon an Order from
the Committee of both Kingdoms or General Leven,
and the other upon Directions from the State of
Scotland, for delivering to us this Town, although
so properly and and entirely belonging to the Disposal of the Parliament of England, and for that
(at the present) there seemed to us no visible Means
to preserve our Soldiers from perishing or starving
through Cold (besides many other Inconvenierces
that might arise) without having this Town in our
Possession, we conceived ourselves in Duty, as by
Necessity obliged, to leave no Means in our Power
unessayed for a due obtaining of the same, and
did therefore make our Addresses in that Behalf to
the Parliament of Scotland and the Earl of Lever,
in such Manner as your Lordships will understand by
the Duplicates thereof herewith sent to your Lordships And, if it may seem expedient to your Lordships,
we humbly propose that our Desires therein made
may be countenanced and seconded by your Lord
ships Mediation and effectual Prosecution of the same,
in regard this Place doth so highly (as we conceive)
import your Interest and the Advantage of this Service
"All the Ships which were to transport the Sol
diers and Provisions from Dublin are now arrived
here, except Captain Cater's, which, carrying about
Four Hundred of Colonel More's Regiment, and Fifty
Bairels of our Powder, suffered Shipwreck near Beu
morris, but all the Mens Lives were saved, though
the Powder was so spoiled (as we are informed) that
it will not be useful until it be helped by a Powdermaker, for which Purpose we have written to Mr
Wally, at Chester When those Men were got to
Land, most of them ran away or fell sick, so that
of the Four Hundred but Seventy Soldiers and
Fourteen Officers are come hither, with whom also
Three Troops of Colonel Coote's Horse and Captain
Hunt's Troop landed, the Fourteenth of this Instant,
One Hundred of which coming to this Town, in Ex
pectation only of refreshing their Horses for some
few Hours, were stopped at the Ports, and denied
Admittance, though Engagement was offered they
should depart the Town within Two Hours
"The Number of Colonel More's Regiment now
Ended here (upon Muster) appears to be Four Hun
dred and Forty eight, and Colonel Fenwick's Six
Hundred and Sixty four, besides Officers, and the
Three Companies of the Lord Foliott's Regiment
were Two Hundred Thirty two before they marched
for Londonderry, where we do not yet hear of their
being arrived Captain Hunt's Troop is Sixty good
Horse, besides Officers, and Colonel Coote's Three
Troops (who are not mustered till Tomorrow) are
computed above Two Hundred, all which we have
been forced to maintain, from their First Landing
hitherto, upon the Money we brought with us, there
being nothing to be had otherwise in the Parts where
they Ive, the Country is so extremely poor
"By which Means we must freely declare to your
Lordships, that the greatest Part of that little Money
we had with us is already spent, and the consuming
of the rest in a short Time will be unavoidable, if
these Forces be not speedily placed in some settled
Quarters not so remote from the Magazines, that so
Provisons may be issued and apportioned to them for
then Maintenance, which we have used our utmost
Endeavours to effect, having for that Purpose made
a Personal Application to Major General Monro at
Carrickforgus, who in Conclusion declared a Willingness on his Part that we might have Lecale for
the Quartering of our Men, and promised his Endeavours to get Strangford (where there is a Scottish
Garrison for present) to be assigned also to our
Forces We have senttle Colonels to view the Place,
which we doubt is ill provided both for Shelter and
Fuel (the Rebels having not long since destroyed
those Parts), but the later of those Defects we hope
to supply with some Quantities of Coals that (we
hear) are aboard the Ships now in this Road
"The many Difficulties we meet with in the dis
posing and accommodating of these Forces moves
us to offer to your Lordships Consideration, whether
you will think fit as yet to send any more Forces
hither, where, we assure your Lordships, nothing
is to be had for them this Winter time, but what
must come out of England, and for these that are
here already, we intreat your Lordships that re
newed Supplies of Money and Provisions may be
timely provided and sent to them, otherwise they
"This Bearer, Major Ormesby, who hath deserved
very well by many gallant Services and great Suf
ferings for the Parliament's Cause, hath desired to
recommend him to your Lordships, which we take
Boldness to do, as a Respect due to One of his Merit
He is an understanding Gentleman, and able to give
your Lordships a particular Account, as well of the
present Condition of the Province of Connaght, as
of the State of Things in this Province Solve
take Leave, and remain
Belfast 21th of Dec 1646
"Mos humble Servants,
"Rob Meredith Rob King John Clothworthy
"Since the Writing hereof, an
Access of more Scottish Sol
diers, to the Number of about
Two Hundred, are come in
to the Town, to strengthen
the Garrison, and Two Hundred more are expected
"For your Lordships"
Another Letter from them, concerning a Meeting they had had with some Scots Officers
"May it please your Lordships,
"Holding it our Duty to acquaint your Lordships
with what passeth here relating to your Affairs, we
humbly address this to your Lordships, to present
unto you, That, since our last Dispatch of he 21th
of this Month (which is still kept by cross Wines
from passing into England), several Commanders of
the Scottish Army here, (videlicet,) Colonel Honc,
Colonel John Hamilton, Lieu enant Colonel Curinham, and Major Dyell, came to us, the 23th of this
Present in the Afternoon, as sent from Major General Monro and the Officers of that Army (who
have been in a Consultation these several Days at
Carrichfargus), and propounded to us some Particulars, which, they said, they were directed unto from
Major General Monro and the rest of the said Officers
"First, That, whereas we had brought over some
Soldiers into this Country, we would take Care so to
govern the Matter, that they might not be prejudiced in their Quarters, and that there might be
no Intermixture of Quarters
"Secondly, That, we being now come hi her, they
presumed we would not come without Money for
them of the Scottish Army, which the Officers did
expect, having long waited for Relief from the Par
"Thirdly, That, whereas by the Treaty Ten Troops
were appointed to attend the Scottish Army, they
understood there were Orders for Regimenting some
of them, whereby they conceived their Relation to
that Army would be lessened, therefore desired to
know what we intend to do therein
"Fourthly, They desired to know, whether we had
Power to treat with them for a final Agreement for
the Scottish Army here, that they might be gone,
and comply with our Desires concerning the delivering of this as also the other Towns to us
"Fifthly, If that were not, that then their Soldiers
might have the like Entertainment as others for the
"This was delivered by Word of Mouth, from
Colonel John Hamilton, in the Name of the
"Whereupon we desired to withdraw, and consider
of their Propositions, and within a little Space
we told them,
"That our Erland hither was to settle the Men we
brought with us in this Town, and that, in order
thereunto, so soon as we landed, we writ to Major
General Monro (as the General Officer of the Scottish Army), to receive his Furtherance therein, as
also to Colonel Home (then present), who had the
Charge of the Place, for admitting our Men into
the Town: But both their Answers importing a Defect of Power in them to do any Thing therein without Order from the State of Scotland or General
Leven, we had sent an Express, with our Addresses
both to the Parliament of Scotland and his Excellency General Leven, to receive their Orders therein;
and do expect a Return with Speed.
"But for the other Particulars, we (not being specially designed for this Place, but casually come
hither upon the Disappointment at Dublin) had received no Instructions therein; yet, if they had any
Thing to propound, we should be ready to represent the same to the Parliament of England with
the best Advantage; and that we might not prejudice their Propositions by any Mistake of Words,
we desired, if they thought fit to do any Thing of
this Kind, that it might be drawn up in Writing by
"Having given your Lordships this true Account of
what passed betwixt us, we take Leave, and remain
Belfast, 24th Dec. 1646.
"Most humble Servants,
"Rob. Meredith. Rob't King.
Report from the Admiralty Committee, concerning the Jurisdiction of the Admiralty Court;
(fn. *) " Die Jovis, 31 Decembris, 1646.
"At the Committee of Lords and Commons for
the Admiralty and Cinque Ports.
"Upon Information given to the Committee, That,
by reason the Jurisdiction of the Admiralty is not
settled, nor any Proceedings in that Court, many
Ships and Persons much indebted for Maritime Occasions daily go to Sea, and cannot be arrested, and
so the Creditors defeated of their Debts, Mariners
and Owners of Ships have no Means to recover their
Wages and Freights; and that lately, in the River
of Thames, upon Differences concerning the Possession and Property of Ships, for Want of legal
Proceedings in those Cases, violent Possession of
Ships have been taken, and divers Persons wounded,
to the great Disturbance and Obstruction of Trade:
It is Ordered, That both Houses of Parliament be
moved, to take the same into speedy Consideration,
as a Matter of great Concernment; and specially
desired to expedite the Settlement of the Jurisdiction of the said Court with the First Opportunity,
in respect of the urgent Necessity of the said Affair.
"W. Jessop, Secretary."
and for Capt. Reeve to command The Fellowship.
Die Jovis, 31 Decembris, 1646.
"At the Committee of Lords and Commons for
the Admiralty and Cinque Ports.
"The Fellowshipp being speedily commanded to Sea,
for a special Service of the State; Ordered, That
Captain Jonas Reeve, having been very well recommended to this Committee by divers Members of
the House of Commons, being very able, and having
formerly done very good Service to the State, be
presented to both Houses of Parliament, for their
approving him to be Captain of the said Ship, for
the Remainder of this Winter's Expedition.
"W. Jessop, Secretary."
House adjourned till 10a cras.