House of Lords Journal Volume 5
4 June 1642

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 5: 4 June 1642', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 5: 1642-1643 (1767-1830), pp. 103-106. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=34815 Date accessed: 02 August 2014.


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DIE Sabbati, videlicet, 4 die Junii.
Col. Butler to be released, upon Security not to go to Ireland. Report of the Conference about the Order for disposing of the Magazine from Hull. Letter concerning the Committees in Lincolnshire. Treaty with the Scots Commissioners about Ireland; and with the Articles of the Treaty for reducing Ireland. Message from the H. C. about a Supply of Money for Hull; and with a List of Commanders in the Fleet for Ireland. Order for Money to be paid to Sir Jo. Hotham, out of Lincolnshire Contribution. Agreed to. Answer to the H. C. Order for disposing of the Magazine from Hull agreed to. Committee to consider of the Articles of the Scots, about the Treaty for Ireland. Their Propositions. Answer from the H. C. 11 May, Dublin. Letter from the Justices of Ireland. Message from the H. C. for the Bill for the Synod to be sent to the King; with a Bill about scandalous Ministers; about the Order for the Money arising from the Sale of the Jewels. To sit a while; and about the Order for 2000 l;. to Sir Jo. Hotham. Lord Brooke to settle the Warwick Militia. Answer to the H. C. Letter to the Speaker of the House of Commons from the Committee at Lincoln. The Propositions of the Scots Commissioners about Ireland. Resolutions of the House upon them. Adjourn. Post meridiem. Ordinance for the Sea Adventurers to Ireland. Message to the H. C. for a Conference about it. Act for reducing the Irish Rebels. Message from the H. C. for the Lords to concur in the following Ordinance and Order. Ordinance to secure 100,000 l;. to the City of London. Order for the L. Mayor of London to summon the Twelve Companies to meet. Message from the H. C. for the Lords to concur in the following Order. Order concerning Deputy Lieutenants to go to Musters. Agreed to. Sir Philip Manwaring to attend. Burwell and Smart. Smart versus Dr. Cosens. Lenthall and Bruton in Error. Ld. St. John versus Benyon. Sir Tho. Cary and Bp. of Ardagh. Bill for reducing the Irish Rebels. Message from the H. C. for the Lords to concur in an Order for the Earl of Warwick to search Ships at Sea going for Ireland. Agreed to. Adjourn. Footnotes

DIE Sabbati, videlicet, 4 die Junii.

PRAYERS.

The Lord Wharton was appointed to sit Speaker this Day.

Col. Butler to be released, upon Security not to go to Ireland.

Upon the Petition of Colonel Butler, who desired to be released, and that he might give Security for his not going into Ireland;

Ordered, That he shall tender his Security to this House; and then their Lordships will consider further of it.

The Lord Wharton reported the Conference Yesterday with the House of Commons:

Report of the Conference about the Order for disposing of the Magazine from Hull.

"1. Concerning the Order for the disposing of the Magazine that is come from Hull, the House of Commons desires that the Addition made by their Lordships to that Order may be omitted, and go as it was first brought up; for they conceive, as the Case now stands, it was likely that the King's Authority would interpose (fn. *) against the Order of the Parliament.

Letter concerning the Committees in Lincolnshire.

"2. Was read a Letter, sent to the Speaker of the House of Commons, concerning their Committees in Lincolneshire. (Here enter this Letter.)

"A Copy of the King's Warrant sent to the Sheriff of Lyncolne, &c. being the same as was read in this House Yesterday.

Treaty with the Scots Commissioners about Ireland;

"3. The Scotts Commissioners Desires, in Pursuance of the Treaty for Ireland, were read, with the Resolutions of the House of Commons.

"The House of Commons will be ready to satisfy their any Doubts concerning these Propositions. (Here enter them.)

and with the Articles of the Treaty for reducing Ireland.

"4. The Articles of the Treaty for the reducing the Kingdom of Ireland were read, as followeth:" (Here enter it.)

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Cromewell:

Message from the H. C. about a Supply of Money for Hull;

1. That they have received some Letters that (fn. *) the Garrison is in some Want of Monies; for Supply thereof, they have made an Order, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence.

(Here enter it.)

and with a List of Commanders in the Fleet for Ireland.

2. They presented a List of Commanders, which the House of Commons have approved of, to be in Command in the Fleet which is to go to Ireland.

Order for Money to be paid to Sir Jo. Hotham, out of Lincolnshire Contribution.

"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons now assembled in Parliament, That Two Thousand Pounds, out of the Contribution-money of Lyncolneshire, shall be forthwith paid unto Sir Edward Aiscough, to be by him (fn. †) paid over unto Sir Jo. Hotham: And whereas Sir Jo. Hotham has already received Two Hundred and Fifty Pounds, it is intended that that Two Hundred and Fifty Pounds shall be Part of the said Two Thousand Pounds; and Order hereafter shall be taken to re-pay with Speed the said Two Thousand Pounds to the Receivers appointed by the Act of Contribution, to be employed for the Purposes intended by that Act."

Agreed to.

Resolved, upon the Question, by the major Part, That this House (fn. ‡) agrees to this Order, adding the Words ["with Speed"].

The Answer returned:

Answer to the H. C.

That this House will return an Answer to this Message, by Messengers of their own, in convenient Time.

Order for disposing of the Magazine from Hull agreed to.

Ordered, That this House agrees with the House of Commons, in the Order concerning the disposing of the Magazine that is come from Hull, as they first brought it up.

2. That their Lordships have agreed to the Order for Two Thousand Pounds to be paid to Sir Jo. Hotham, for Hull, with the Addition of these Words ["with Speed"].

Committee to consider of the Articles of the Scots, about the Treaty for Ireland.

These Lords following were appointed to consider of the Scotts Articles, whether they agree to the former Propositions passed in this House, and report the same to this House:

E. Leycester.
L. Admiral.
E. Holland.
E. Pembrooke.
Ds. Brooke.
Ds. Robartes.
Ds. North.
Ds. Kymbolton.

Any Three of their Lordships to meet this Afternoon, at Three a Clock.

Their Propositions.

The Propositions of the Scotts were read, and the Answer of the House of Commons.

(Here enter them.)

1. To the First: This House agrees with the Resolution of the House of Commons.

2. To the Second: This House agrees with (fn. ‡) the Resolution of the House of Commons.

3. The Third: Referred to be compared with the former Propositions.

To the Fourth: Agreed to with the Resolution of the House of Commons.

To the Fifth: The House of Commons have not resolved of this.

To the Sixth: Referred to the Committee, to set down what Arms.

To the Seventh: Agreed with the Resolution of the House of Commons.

To Eighth: Referred to the Committee.

The Ninth: Referred to the Committee.

The Tenth: Agreed to with the House of Commons.

The Eleventh: Agreed to with the House of Commons.

The Twelfth: Agreed to with the House of Commons.

The Thirteenth: Agreed to with the House of Commons.

The Fourteenth: Agreed to with the House of Commons.

The Fifteenth: Agreed to with the House of Commons.

The Messengers that went to the House of Commons return with this Answer:

Answer from the H. C.

That they have delivered the Two Orders to the House of Commons.

11 May, Dublin. Letter from the Justices of Ireland.

A Letter directed to the Speaker of this House was read, written from the Justices of Ireland.

Message from the H. C. for the Bill for the Synod to be sent to the King;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Arthur Goodwin, Esquire; who brought up the Bill concerning the calling of the Assembly, which hath passed both Houses, and desire it may be sent to the King, to be expedited.

Ordered, To be speedily sent to the King.

with a Bill about scandalous Ministers;

2. A Bill concerning scandalous Ministers.

Ordered, To be taken.

about the Order for the Money arising from the Sale of the Jewels.

3. To join with them in the Order concerning the staying the receiving of the Money which is to go to Yorke.

Ordered, To be considered of this Afternoon.

To sit a while;

4. To desire their Lordships to sit a while.

Ordered, To sit at Three post meridiem.

and about the Order for 2000 l;. to Sir Jo. Hotham.

5. (fn. *) To agree in the Alteration made in the Order for the Two Thousand Pounds to be sent to Sir Jo. Hotham.

Lord Brooke to settle the Warwick Militia.

Ordered, That the Lord Brooke hath Leave to go into Warwickshire, to settle the Militia.

Answer to the H. C.

The Answer returned was as above Resolved.

"SIR,

Letter to the Speaker of the House of Commons from the Committee at Lincoln.

"Such is our earnest Desire to manifest our Obedience to the Commands of both Houses, that we cannot omit any Opportunity to advertise you of our First Day's Proceedings, and Success therein: The Lord Francis Willoughby, appointed by the Ordinance of Parliament to be Lord Lieutenant of this County, had, by his Warrants, summoned the Chief Constables to attend him Yesterday, the last of May, in this Place, to give him an Account concerning the Arms of the Trained Bands and Ammunition, within their several Hundreds and Wapentakes; which Service accordingly they performed, with all Readiness and Alacrity, even beyond our Expectations, there being the fullest Appearance of them that we have observed upon any Occasion heretofore; so as, of about Fourscore in this great County, not above Two or Three of them were absent; neither did the King's Proclamation (published on Purpose, as we conceive, throughout the County, and which some had officiously fixed upon the Gates of the Inn where we met), nor this inclosed Letter from His Majesty, sent to the old (but, as we hear, now re-established) Deputy Lieutenants under the Earl of Lindsey, who likewise hath a Commission, under the Broad Seal, for the Lieutenancy of Lincolneshire, as we are informed, any whit deter or hinder them. We have already delivered forth Warrants to those Head Constables, for Musters to be held (for the more Conveniency) in several Places of this County; at each of which (God willing) we all of us intend to be assistant, the rather because we understand that our Presence here doth not a little comfort and revive the Spirits of all honest and well-affected Persons in this Country; whose forward good Example will (we doubt not) be a Means to draw the rest to a more ready Conformity; in which Hopes we are further encouraged by this Day's Trial in the City, finding, besides the Trained Bands thereof, a like Number of Voluntiers well and compleatly armed, who are ready to make Tender of their Service, for the Defence of His Majesty's Person, the Parliament, and the Kingdom, according to their late Protestation.

"These, Sir, are our First Beginnings in your Service; which we humbly submit unto you, and so remain,

"Your affectionate Friends and Servants,

Lincolne, 1 Junii, 1642.

"Jo. Broxolme, Tho. Hatcher,
"Will. Armyne, Edw. Ayscough,
"Christo. Wray, Antho. Irby.

"To our much-honoured Friend, William Lenthall, Esquire, Speaker of the House of Commons. These, present."

The Propositions of the Scots Commissioners about Ireland.

Memorandum, It is desired by the Commissioners of Scotland, "That the Commissions for the Horse Troops, to join with our Forces in Ireland, may be issued forth.

"2. That Monies be provided for the Regiments that first landed in Ireland, and for the Laird of Lawer's Regiment, and such other Companies and Regiments as shall land there.

"3. That Arms be sent into Scotland, and the DemiCannon.

"4. To remember the Answer anent the Meal.

"9 Maii, 1642.

"In the Third Article of the Results of the Treaty.

"5. One Magazine of Spare Arms desired to be laid in at Carrickfergus:

"Upon the Fifth Article.

"6. That Arms be provided for the Horse Troops:

Upon the Sixth.

"7. Allowance for the General's Secretary still to be pressed:

"Upon the Seventh.

"8. That the Parliament intimate their Resolution anent the disbanding of the Army, to the Council of Scotland, a Month before-hand, that they may give Orders for the disbanding thereof:

"Upon the Tenth:

"9. That the formed Regiments or Troops in Ulster, when they are not employed otherwise by the Lieutenant of Ireland, may be under the Command of our General.

"10. That, when the greatest Part of any Regiment shall be in Ireland, the chief Commanders thereof may be in Pay; and, after the subscribing of the Treaty, that the General Officers may have Pay.

"11. To know whether they will make Use of our Frames.

"12. That Allowance be appointed for the Surgeons Kists.

"13. That, at the Return of our Army, it may be transported upon the English Charges:

"Upon the Train of Artillery.

"14. That the Entertainment of Twelve Workmasters is too mean; and they cannot be had, unless they have a greater Allowance.

"15. That the Pioneers have their Entertainment constantly."

"Die Veneris, 13 Maii, 1642.

Resolutions of the House upon them.

"Resolved, upon the Question,

"1. That the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland shall forthwith issue out Commissions to Sir William Belfour, Sir Robert Adair, and the rest of the Captains of the Horse Troops appointed to join with the Scottish Army in Ireland.

"Resolved, etc.

"To the Second Proposition, concerning Monies: They shall have a speedy Resolution.

"To the Third Proposition, concerning Arms, it is answered: That Four Thousand Muskets and Two Thousand Pikes shall be presently sent into Scotland, and delivered at Leeth, and the Residue at the First of July, according to the Treaty, if the rest of the Men shall then be there.

"Die Veneris, 13 Maii, 1642.

"Resolved, etc.

"That Order shall be taken to supply the Magazine, so as the Forces of Scotland shall not want Victuals.

"Resolved, etc.

"6. That Arms shall be provided for the Horse Troops.

"Resolved, etc.

"7. That, if this House shall yield to the Proposition concerning the General's Secretary, it will draw a Charge upon themselves, having denied the same to their own Army.

"Resolved, etc.

"8. That both Houses of Parliament, or such Commissioners or Committees as shall be thereunto authorized by both Houses, shall give to the Council of Scotland a Month's Warning, for the disbanding of their Army.

"9. Ordered, That the Proposition concerning the Lord Conwaye's and Sir John Clotworthye's Regiment to be under the Command of the Scotts General, be referred to the Consideration of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland.

"Resolved, etc.

"10. That the House will not undertake to pay any Officers of the Field of a Regiment, till the Regiment be complete; but, upon the Return of the Muster Roll, when it shall appear what Officers and Men are with the Regiment there, they will consider of it; and as to the Proposition concerning Pay to be allowed to the General Officers from the Time of the signing of the Treaty, this House doth Resolve, That, when the Treaty shall be subscribed, and this House shall be informed in what Readiness the Men are, this House will take it into Consideration, and give an Answer.

"Resolved, etc.

"11. That it be left to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, to make Use of the Musket-frames as his Lordship shall see Cause.

"Resolved, etc.

"12. That the like Allowance shall be made for the Surgeons Chests in the Scottish Army, as is made for those in the English Army, which is Twenty-five Pounds a-piece.

"Resolved, etc.

"13. That this Proposition concerning the transporting of the Scotts after their Service done, being a Matter of Honour and Bounty, the House will consider them therein as those of their own Army.

"Resolved, etc.

"14. That it being agreed upon, that the same Allowance should be made to the Scottish Army as to the English, and that in this Particular concerning the Pay to the Work-masters of the Artillery the same Proportion is allowed to the Scotts as to the English; the House holds it not fit to recede from their former Vote.

"Resolved, etc.

"That the House holds it not fit to make the Entertainment of the Pioneers in the Scotts Army more constant than it is in the English Army."

Adjourn.

Tertia post meridiem.

Post meridiem.

PRAYERS.

The Lord North was appointed by this House to sit Speaker for this Day.

Ordinance for the Sea Adventurers to Ireland.

The Ordinance to give a Commission to the Adventurers at Sea, for the Service of Ireland, was read.

The House (fn. *) having taken this into Debate; Resolved, To have a Conference with the House of Commons, to know whether they have presented to the King any Ordinance of this Nature, and what the King's Answer was thereunto.

Message to the H. C. for a Conference about it.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Rob. Rich and Mr. Page:

To desire a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, touching the Ordinance concerning the Sea Adventurers, brought up Yesterday from the House of Commons.

Act for reducing the Irish Rebels.

Hodie 2a vice lecta est Billa, An Act for the further reducing of the Kingdom of Ireland, etc.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Serjeant Wyld:

Message from the H. C. for the Lords to concur in the following Ordinance and Order.

To desire their Lordships Concurrence in Two Orders, assented to by the House of Commons; which were read, in hæc verba: (Here enter them.)

Ordinance to secure 100,000 l;. to the City of London.

"1. An Ordinance made by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, for the securing of the Sum of One Hundred Thousand Pounds, agreed to be lent to the Parliament, by several Companies and Citizens of the City of London, for the Use of the Kingdom:

"Whereas, amongst many other great and unspeakable Blessings of Almighty God upon this Parliament, it hath pleased Him to stir up the Hearts of many good and well-affected People, to yield their willing and ready Help [ (fn. †) to the] pressing Necessities of this Kingdom, and the Kingdom of Ireland; in which pious and charitable Work, the Citizens of London, by their singular Forwardness and good Affection, have been exemplary to all other Parts of this Kingdom, and, in Times of great Exigence and Necessity, have lent and advanced great Sums to the public Use, and, as well by their Purses and Persons as other memorable Services, contributed their effectual Help to the Parliament, for the Support of this State and Kingdom from apparent Danger of Destruction: And whereas the said Citizens, in further Manifestation of their constant Fidelity and true Affection to the Public, have now again, being moved by and on the Behalf of both Houses of Parliament, at a Common Hall held within the said City, to lend a further Sum of One Hundred Thousand Pounds, for One Year, for and towards the Relief and Preservation of Ireland, and urgent Affairs of this Kingdom, did most freely and chearfully, with an unanimous Consent, agree forthwith to lend and advance the same accordingly; for which the Lords and Commons in Parliament do, in the Name of themselves and the whole Kingdom, give them very hearty Thanks; and, for the Security of the said Sum so agreed to be lent, do declare and ordain, That the same, and every Part thereof, together with (fn. *) a Consideration for Forbearance thereof after the Rate of Eight per Cent. for a Year, shall be duly paid into the Chamber of the said City of London, to and for the Use and Uses of all and every such Company and Companies, Person and Persons, as shall lend or advance the same, or any Part thereof respectively, their Executors, Administrators, or Assigns, out of the First and next Monies to be granted by Act of Parliament."

Order for the L. Mayor of London to summon the Twelve Companies to meet.

"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons, That the Lord Mayor of the City of London do require the Masters, Wardens, and Assistants, of the Company of Mercers, Grocers, Drapers, and Fishmongers, to meet on Tuesday next, at Two of the Clock in the Afternoon, at their several Common Halls; and that the said Masters require the Livery of the said Companies, and such other Members of the said Companies as they shall think fit; and that the remaining Companies of the Twelve principal Companies be summoned, in the like Manner, to meet, Four on Wednesday, and Four on Thursday, in the Afternoon."

Ordered, That this House agrees with the House of Commons in the aforesaid Ordinance and Order.

Message from the H. C. for the Lords to concur in the following Order.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Grimston:

To desire their Lordships Concurrence in an Order, which was read, in hæc verba: videlicet,

Order concerning Deputy Lieutenants to go to Musters.

"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, That the Deputy Lieutenants of the several and respective Counties within the Kingdom of England and Dominion of Wales, that are not Members of the House of Commons, be hereby required and enjoined to be present, at the Days and Places which are, or shall hereafter be, appointed by the Lords Lieutenants, or their Deputies, for the Training, Mustering, and Exercising of the Inhabitants of the said Counties, according to the Authority given unto them by an Ordinance of both Houses of Parliament: And it is further Ordered, That all Deputy Lieutenants, as well those that are Members of the House of Commons as others, shall give such Dispatch, by preparing of Warrants, Commissions, or Letters, and subscribing of the same, as the Service shall require; and that such as shall refuse or neglect so to do, that (fn. *) their Names be certified unto us by their Fellow Deputies, or any One of them, that shall or do perform the said Service: And it is further Declared, That it is the Intention of both Houses, for the better Encouragement of so good a Work, so much conducing to the Safety of His Majesty's Person and Kingdoms, That some of their Members, at the Times and Places appointed, (fn. †) or to be appointed, for the Execution of the said Ordinance, shall be sent down, to give their Personal Attendance upon the said Service."

Agreed to.

Ordered, That this House agrees with the House of Commons in this Order.

House adjourned during Pleasure.

House resumed.

Sir Philip Manwaring to attend.

Upon Information to the House, "That Sir P. Manwaring refuses to obey the Order of this House, made concerning the Lord Viscount Loftus:" It is Ordered, That he shall attend this House on Monday next.

Burwell and Smart.

Ordered, That no Proceedings in any of the Courts shall be against Burwell, by Mr. Smarte, because he is impeached in this House for the same Matter.

Smart versus Dr. Cosens.

Ordered, That Mr. Smarte may examine Two Witnesses as are now in Town, upon Notice given to Dr. Cosens's Solicitor.

Lenthall and Bruton in Error.

Ordered, That the Writ of Error between Lenthall and Bruton shall be argued in this House on Tuesday next.

Ld. St. John versus Benyon.

Ordered, That the Lord St. John's Cause shall be heard, against Mr. Benyon, on Wednesday next.

Sir Tho. Cary and Bp. of Ardagh.

Ordered, That Sir Tho. Caryes Business shall be heard against (fn. ‡) the Bishop of Ardagh, on Thursday next.

Bill for reducing the Irish Rebels.

Ordered, That the Bill for reducing the Rebellion in Ireland shall be committed to these Lords following:

E. Leycester.
E. Essex.
E. Pembrooke.
E. Bristoll.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Brooke.
Ds. Robartes.
Ds. Grey.

To meet on Monday, next, at Three post meridiem.

Message from the H. C. for the Lords to concur in

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Reynolds:

To desire their Lordships Concurrence in an Order; which was read, as followeth:

an Order for the Earl of Warwick to search Ships at Sea going for Ireland.

"Whereas the bloody and barbarous Rebels of His Majesty's Kingdom of Ireland are very much encouraged and emboldened, by such Supplies of Men, Ammunition, Victuals, Cloaths, and other Necessaries, as they have received, and do daily expect to receive, from Foreign Nations, to the insufferable Damage of His Majesty and the Crown of England; for Prevention whereof, it is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, That as well the Right Honourable Rob. Earl of Warwicke, and all Commanders and Officers (fn. *) at Sea under him, as the Right Honourable Rob. Lord Brooke, and all Commanders and Officers at Sea under him, shall, with all Care, Circumspection, and Diligence, search, or cause to be searched, all Ships, Pinnaces, Barks, and Vessels, which they, or any of them, shall suspect to have aboard any Men, Horses, Ammunition, Victuals, Cloaths, or other Necessaries, bound or intended for the Relief of the said Rebels, or any of them; and to arrest, stay, and seize, all Men, Horses, and Ammunition, Victuals, Cloaths, and the Necessaries, as they, or either of them, shall find, upon Search, to be directed or intended for the Relief of the said Rebels, or any of them; for all which they are to be accountable, in such Manner as the Lords and Commons in Parliament shall appoint."

Agreed to.

Ordered, That this House agrees with the House of Commons in this Order.

Adjourn.

Nona Lunæ.

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