House of Lords Journal Volume 5
7 July 1642

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 5: 7 July 1642', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 5: 1642-1643 (1767-1830), pp. 188-190. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=34843 Date accessed: 20 November 2014.


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DIE Jovis, videlicet, 7 die Julii.
Justice Reeves Leave to be absent. Lord Mayor to call a Common Council, for disposing of the Arms from Hull. Message from the H. C. with an Order to the Lord Mayor, to call a Common Council Tomorrow; with an Order for the Fleet to put themselves under the Command of the Earl of Warwick; with Information of a Conspiracy against Tristram Whitcombe. and with an Order to pay 100 l. to Facie, for the Education of Two Sons of the late Lord Cawfield. Answer to the H. C. Message from the H. C. for Committees to meet about the Treaty with the Scots about 10,000 Men for Ireland; and with an Order for Sir William Fenton, to be a Reformado Captain of House in Munster. Answer to the H. C. Message from the H. C. with the Treaty for 10,000 Scots for Ulster. Whitcombe's Order. Message sent to the H. C. with the Order for Lords Lieutenants and Deputy Lieutenants to assist one another. The Order for 1000 l. for Landguard Fort. Adjourn. Post meridiem. Earl of Peterborough Leave to go in the Country. Answer from the H. C. The Order for Lords Lieutenants and Deputy Lieutenants to assist one another. Captain Pointz took the Bishop of St. David's in Disguise. Bishop of St. David's sent for, and the Captain to be rewarded. Sir J. Mennes attends, and has submitted to the E. of Warwick as Admiral. Message to the H. C. to acquaint them with it. Message from the H. C. for a Conference about an Impeachment against Mr. Hastings; and about the Amendments to Mr. Whetcomb's Order's and with Two Declarations; Declaration concerning the Earl of Stamford. Answer to the H. C. Answer from the H. C. about Sir John Mennes. Message from the H. C. to empower the Committee of Safety to take Arms, &c. from The Tower or elsewhere. Dissented to. Arms, &c. to be taken out The Tower, &c. by Order of both Houses. Protest against it. Answer to the H. C. Sir Jo. Mennes discharged out of Custody. Mr. Maccarta to have 30 l. Footnotes

DIE Jovis, videlicet, 7 die Julii.

PRAYERS.

The Lord Mandevile was appointed Speaker this Day.

Justice Reeves Leave to be absent.

Ordered, That Mr. Justice Reeve hath Leave to go to his own House after the Circuit, and to stay there until he be sent for.

Lord Mayor to call a Common Council, for disposing of the Arms from Hull.

Ordered, That the Lord Mayor do give an Account to this House, why he hath not called a Common Council, according to a former Order of Parliament, concerning the storing and disposing of the Arms that came from Hull; and that he shall speedily call a Common Council.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by the Lord Cranborne:

Message from the H. C. with an Order to the Lord Mayor, to call a Common Council Tomorrow;

To desire their Lordships Concurrence in these Orders following:

"1. Ordered, That the Lords be moved, to join with this House, in an Order to the Lord Mayor, to require him to call a Common Council, to meet To-morrow, at Two of the Clock in the Afternoon."

Ordered, That this House agrees with the House of Commons in this Order.

with an Order for the Fleet to put themselves under the Command of the Earl of Warwick;

"That all Ships that are in the Service of the State, and abroad, shall now obey the Earl of Warwicke, in such Manner as formerly they did the Earl of Northumberland; and that a Copy of this Order be particularly sent to every particular Ship; and that the Committee for the Defence of the Kingdom do take Order, that this Order be sent down accordingly.

Ordered, That this House agrees with the House of Commons in this Order.

with Information of a Conspiracy against Tristram Whitcombe.

"3. The Lords and Commons in Parliament affembled, having received Information, that some ill-affected Persons, in the City of Corke, in the Realm of Ireland, have conspired to indict one Tristram Whitcombe, Esquire, Sovereign of Kinsale, of Treason, upon Pretence of some Information (fn. *) "

and with an Order to pay 100 l. to Facie, for the Education of Two Sons of the late Lord Cawfield.

"4. It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Treasurers for the Loan and Contribution-money at London shall pay unto Richd. Facie, Schoolmaster, of Henly upon Thames, One Hundred Pounds, out of the Monies that are now come in upon that Act, to be employed for the Relief and Succour of Wm. Caufeild and George Cawfeild, Sons of the late Wm. Lord Cawfeild, deceased, and Brethren to Tobie Lord Cawfeild, who, since the Rebellion in Ireland, was cruelly murthered by some Forces of Sir Phelym O'Neile; and their Mother, with her small Children, are still detained in Prison, and utterly ruined in her Fortune, and dispoiled of her Estate; the said Wm. and George Cawfeild being at this Time, and having been for a long Time, placed with the said Mr. Facie, for the learning the Greek and Latin Tongues, and other fitting Qualities."

Ordered, That (fn. †) this House agrees with the House of Commons in this Order.

Answer returned was:

Answer to the H. C.

That this House agrees with the House of Commons in the Order concerning the Common Council; the Masters and Mariners to obey the Earl of Warwick at Sea; and concerning the Lord Cawfeild's Sons: But concerning the Order touching Mr. Whitcombe, this House will send an Answer, by Messengers of their own.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Henry Mildemay:

Message from the H. C. for Committees to meet about the Treaty with the Scots about 10,000 Men for Ireland;

The House of Commons, taking Notice that the Treaty between the Scotts Commissioners and the English Commissioners, concerning the sending Ten Thousand Men to Ireland, is finished, and considering the Public Faith given to the Scotts for the Payment of Monies; the House of Commons desires that the Committee of this House may meet this Afternoon, with the Committee of the House of Commons, to consider how to keep Faith with the Scotts in Payment of Monies.

Agreed to.

and with an Order for Sir William Fenton, to be a Reformado Captain of House in Munster.

2. The House of Commons desires their Lordships to join with them, that Sir Wm. Fenton, formerly listed for a Reformado Captain of a Foot Company, be allowed and listed for a Reformado Captain of a Troop of Horse, amongst the Adventurers Forces to be raised for the Province of Munster.

Agreed to.

The Answer returned to the Messengers was:

Answer to the H. C.

That this House agrees with the House of Commons, in the Particulars of this Message.

Message from the H. C. with the Treaty for 10,000 Scots for Ulster.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Wm. Armyn, Baronet; who brought up the Articles of Treaty between us and the Scotts, for sending Ten Thousand Men to Ulster; which, being ingrossed, were read, in hæc verba:

(Here enter them.)

Ordered, That this House agrees to this Result of the Treaty with the Scotts.

Whitcombe's Order.

The Amendments in the Order concerning Mr. Whetcombe were read, and approved of.

Message sent to the H. C. with the Order for Lords Lieutenants and Deputy Lieutenants to assist one another.

A Message was sent down to the House of Commons, by Sir Robt. Rich and Mr. Page:

To deliver to them the Order for the Lieutenants and Deputies of several Shires to assist one another, if any Force be, with the Amendments; and likewise the Order concerning Mr. Whetcombe, with the Amendments.

The Order for 1000 l. for Landguard Fort.

"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons now assembled in Parliament, That the Treasurers of the Contribution and Loan-money at London do forthwith pay unto the Earl of Warwicke, or his Assigns, One Thousand Pounds for the Succour and Service of Landguard Fort, in Suffolk; and that the said Thousand Pounds shall be re-paid out of the Monies that shall come in upon the Bill of Four Hundred (fn. *) Thousand Pounds."

Adjourn.

Quarta post meridiem.

Post meridiem.

PRAYERS.

The Lord Kymbolton was appointed to be Speaker this Day.

Earl of Peterborough Leave to go in the Country.

Ordered, That the Earl of Peterborough hath Leave to go into the Country, for his Health.

The Messagers, that were sent to the House of Commons, return with this Answer:

Answer from the H. C.

That they will send an Answer, by Messengers of their own, concerning the Order touching Mr. Whetcombe; and concerning the Order for Lieutenants and Deputy Lieutenants to assist one another, they do agree with their Lordships in the Alteration.

The Tenents follow: videlicet.

The Order for Lords Lieutenants and Deputy Lieutenants to assist one another.

"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That, in case any Force be brought out of One County into another County of this Kingdom, to disturb the Peace thereof, that the Lords Lieutenants and Deputy Lieutenants of the Counties adjoining, upon Notice given unto them of such Disturbance, by the Lords Lieutenants or Deputy Lieutenants where such Disturbance is made, be hereby required to give Aid and Assistance to the said other Lords Lieutenants and Deputy Lieutenants, or any of them so requiring the same, for the present suppressing of such Force and Disturbers of the Peace, by Voluntiers, and such of the Trained Bands of their several Counties that shall voluntarily go to give their Assistance."

Captain Pointz took the Bishop of St. David's in Disguise.

Upon reading the Petition of Captain Pointz, shewing, That he hath taken the Bishop of St. David's, disguised, coming in a Ship from Ireland, and desires to know what he shall (fn. *) do with the said Bishop, and offers to their Lordships Consideration how he shall be disimbursed of his Charges."

Bishop of St. David's sent for, and the Captain to be rewarded.

Ordered, That the Bishop of St. David's shall be sent for; and it is referred to the Irish Commissioners, to consider what Reward the Captain is to have.

Sir J. Mennes attends, and has submitted to the E. of Warwick as Admiral.

The House was informed, "That Captain Mennes is here, attending their Lordships Pleasure; and that, as soon as he heard that the Earl of Warwick had an Ordinance of Parliament, to take Command of the Fleet, he presently came and rendered himself to the Earl of Warwicke, as may appear by the Earl of Warwicke's own Hand; and that their Lordships incline to release him."

Message to the H. C. to acquaint them with it.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Page and Serjeant Glanvile:

To acquaint the House of Commons herewith.

Message from the H. C. for a Conference about an Impeachment against Mr. Hastings;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir John Holland, Knight:

1. To desire a Conference, touching an Impeachment against Mr. Henry Hastings.

Ordered, To give a Conference presently.

and about the Amendments to Mr. Whetcomb's Order's

2. A Free Conference, concerning the Amendments sent down to the House of Commons this Morning, in the Order touching Tristram Whetcombe.

Ordered, To meet presently.

and with Two Declarations;

3. To desire their Lordships Concurrence in Two Declarations:

"1. Concerning the Earl of Stamford and others being proclaimed Traitors in Leycester, for taking the Magazine in Custody.

"2. That no Subject is bound to serve the King against his Will."

Referred to the same Committee as the abovesaid Declaration.

Declaration concerning the Earl of Stamford.

The Declaration concerning the Earl of Stamford was read and committed, to these Lords following:

E. Northumb.
E. Holland.
E. Pembrooke.
E. Bollingbrooke.
E. Portland.
L. Viscount Say.
L. Wharton.
L. North.
L. Hunsden.

All the Judges to attend.

Any Three to meet To-morrow [ (fn. *) in the Afternoon,] at Two a Clock.

The Committee to consider whether this Declaration be Security enough, and whether any such Proclamation hath been made; and also to consider of the other Declaration, attending on the King.

The Answer returned was:

Answer to the H. C.

That their Lordships will give a Meeting presently, as is desired; and concerning the Two Declarations, they will send an Answer, by Messengers of their own.

Answer from the H. C. about Sir John Mennes.

The Messengers return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That the House of Commons like well of their Lordships Inclination to release Sir John Mennes.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Marten:

Message from the H. C. to empower the Committee of Safety to take Arms, &c. from The Tower or elsewhere.

To desire their Lordships Concurrence, in an Order of the House of Commons: videlicet,

"Resolved, upon the Question, by the House of Commons,

"That the Committee appointed to take Care for the Defence of the Kingdom shall have Power to take, from Time to Time, out of The Tower, or any other Place where the Public Magazine of His Majesty is disposed, such Proportions of Arms and Ammunition as they shall see fit, for the Service wherewith they are intrusted, and to issue them accordingly."

This House thought fit to add these Words after the Word ["accordingly"], ["upon Account, and to be made good again"].

Resolved, by this House, upon the Question,

Dissented to.

That this House doth not concur with the House of Commons in this Vote.

Resolved upon the Question, by this House,

Arms, &c. to be taken out The Tower, &c. by Order of both Houses.

That Provision of Arms and Ammunition, out of the public Magazine of His Majesty, shall be, from Time to Time, disposed of, by Order of both Houses of Parliament, for the Safety of the Kingdom, upon Account, and to be made good again.

Protest against it.

The Lord Spencer dissented to this Vote.

The Earl of Portland diffented to this Vote.

The Answer returned to the Messengers was:

Answer to the H. C.

That this House will send the House of Commons an Answer, by Messengers of their own.

Sir Jo. Mennes discharged out of Custody.

Ordered, That Sir Jo. Mennes shall be discharged for this Business he is now in Custody for.

Mr. Maccarta to have 30 l.

Ordered, That Mr. Maccarta shall have Three Pounds a Month paid him, until it comes to Thirty Pounds.

Ordered, That a poor Man, that came out of Ireland, is referred to the Consideration of the Committee for Contribution; moved (fn. *) by the Lord Viscount Say & Seale.

House adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed.

Footnotes

* Sic.
Origin. that.
* Deest in Originali.
* Deest in Originali.
* Bis in Originali.
* Deest in Originali.