House of Lords Journal Volume 5
9 July 1642

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 5: 9 July 1642', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 5: 1642-1643 (1767-1830), pp. 194-197. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=34845 Date accessed: 30 July 2014.


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DIE Sabbati, videlicet, 9 die Julii.
Lord Howard excused. Letter from the Archbp. of York. Message from the H. C. with a Petition from Warwick; to apprehend Lords who are going to execute Commissions of Array; for Three Thousand Pounds to the Committee for Safety of the Kingdom; and for Five Hundred to Sir Ar. Haslerigg. Thanks to Ld. Brooke; and the Warwick Petition to be printed. Answer to the H. C. Earl of Warwick's Letter to the Speaker, with a State of the Fleet. List of the Fleet, with the Time each Ship is victualed for. More Letters from the Earl of Warwick. Committee for Safety of the Kingdom to send for Persons. Scots Commissioners desire Payment of Eighty Thousand Pounds. Message to the H. C. about this and the Earl of Warwick's Letters. Letter from the Earl of Warwick, that the Sheriff refuses to take Two Captains sent for by the Lord's, as Delinquents. Isabella Masey. Brent and Johnson. Order for Three Thousand Pounds to the Committee for Defence of the Kingdom, to buy Arms. Sir Tho. Cary and the Bp. of Ardagh. Branthwayte, Contribution-money. Muschampe's close Imprisonment remitted. Bagshaw and Wright. Order for Five Hundred Pounds to Ld. Ruthin and Sir Arthur Haslerig, for Leicestershire Officers. Wollaston, Keeper of Newgate, Allowance for keeping Moore and M'Miller. Bennet, Contribution money. Message from the H. C. with Propositions from both Houses to the City. A Letter from the Deputy Lieutenants of Warwick to the Speaker of the H. C. Petition of the Warwick Militia to Lord Brooke. Letter from the Archbp. of York to the Lords. Propositions from both Houses to the City, for raising Ten Thousand Men. Committees of both Houses to go into the City with them. Answer to the H. C. Adjourn. Post meridiem. Complaint of Obstructions in the Common Council. Answer to it. Debate in the Common Council, about disposing of the Arms from Hull, in the City.—The Lord Mayor refuses to put the Question. Adjourn. Footnotes

DIE Sabbati, videlicet, 9 die Julii.

PRAYERS.

The Lord Kymbolton was appointed to be Speaker this Day.

Lord Howard excused.

The Lord Howard of Estc. was excused for his Absence this Day.

Letter from the Archbp. of York.

A Letter from the Archbishop of Yorke was read, in hæc verba: (Here enter.)

Message from the H. C. with a Petition from Warwick;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Wm. Litton, Knight:

1. To acquaint their Lordships with a Letter and Petition, which they have received from the County of Warwicke.

The Letter and Petition were read. (Here enter them.)

to apprehend Lords who are going to execute Commissions of Array;

2. They desire their Lordships to send out Warrants for apprehending the Earls of North'ton, Devon, and Coventry, who are coming to execute the Commission of Array in Warwickshire, Derbyshire, and Worcestershire.

Agreed to.

for Three Thousand Pounds to the Committee for Safety of the Kingdom;

3. To desire their Lordships Concurrence in an Order to pay Three Thousand Pounds to the Committee for the Safety of the Kingdom. (Enter it here.)

Agreed to.

and for Five Hundred to Sir Ar. Haslerigg.

4. To desire their Lordships Concurrence in an Order for Five Hundred Pounds to be paid to Sir Arthur Haselrigg, upon Account.

Agreed to.

Thanks to Ld. Brooke; and the Warwick Petition to be printed.

Ordered, That a Letter be written from the Speaker, to give the Lord Brooke and the Deputy Lieutenants Thanks from this House; and to know what Security it is that the County desires for the Safety of the Magazine and the County; and that this Petition to the Lord Brooke be printed, with the same Thanks as Essex and South'ton Petition had.

The Answer returned was:

Answer to the H. C.

That this House hath Ordered a Letter to be written to the Lord Brooke, to give him and the Deputy Lieutenants Thanks, and express the Sense of this House for their Service; and have Ordered the Petition to be printed, with the same Thanks (fn. *) as Essex and South'ton Petition had; and that this House agrees with the House of Commons in the Two Orders now brought up.

Next, a Letter from the Earl of Warwicke was read. (Here enter it.)

"My very good Lord,

Earl of Warwick's Letter to the Speaker, with a State of the Fleet.

"I have received yours of the 6th of July, by the Messenger from both Houses; and have given the Captains, Officers, and Seamen Thanks, in the Name of both Houses; and they doubt not but that the Parliament will take Care for their Indemnity, and then they are and will be ready to go on chearfully as they have begun. I have written at large to my Lord of Northumberl. by the same Messenger, to whom I refer your Lordship: I have ordered for Hull Three Ships, according to the Votes of the House of Commons; videlicet, His Majesty's Ship The Charles, Sampson and Josseline of the Merchants; and have likewise appointed The Unicorne and Rainbow of the King's to join with those Merchant Ships to the Northward, for the bringing in The Lyon and Providence, and intercepting what Arms or Ammunition may be transported to the North; and intend to stay here with the Residue of the Fleet, till further Order. I thought good to acquaint your Lordship, as by the inclosed Note may appear, that Order may be taken accordingly, when all the Victuals of His Majesty's Ships determine; and that the Merchant Ships, according to their Contracts, may have timely Notice whether they are to be employed longer than their Six Months which they were victualed for: The Times of some of them will grow short apace; and they cannot from the North and West Country have less than Three Weeks Victuals to bring them in. As yet, my Lord, we hear not of any Money, of which we have very great Want; therefore desire it may be speeded away. Thus, praying God to direct all your Counsels, I take Leave, and rest

From aboard His Majesty's Ship The James, in The Downes, this 7 July, 1642.

"Your Lordship's

Most humble Servant,

"Warwicke.

"To my very good Lord, the Lord Mandevill, Speaker of the House of Peers."

List of the Fleet, with the Time each Ship is victualed for.

"Guard of Ireland:

"Swallow, ending 12 August, 1642.
"Bonaventure, 7 Sept.
"Entrance, 18 Sept.
"Providence,
"Rainbow, 5 Sept.
"Garland,
"St. George, 11 (fn. *) Sept.
"Victory, 15 Sept.
"Antelope,
"James, 23 Sept.
"Unicorne, 27 Sept.
"Charles, 27 Sept.
"Hen. Maria, 3 October These Three Ships have spared of this, Fourteen Days Victuals each to The Entrance, that carrieth the Portugal Ambassador.
"Reformation, 3 October
"Vant Guard, 5 October
"Mary Rose, 28 August.
"Greybound, 31 Aug.
"Lyon, 7 Sept.
"Expedition, 13 Sept.

"For the Merchant Ships, I refer your Lordship to Mr. Greene, Chairman for the Naval Affairs, who knoweth the Time when they enter into Sea Pay."

More Letters from the Earl of Warwick.

Another Letter from the Committee was read, from the Earl of Warwicke, directed to the Speaker of this House. (Here enter it.)

Another Letter to the Earl of Northumbl. from the Earl of Warwicke, giving a Relation of the removing some Masters of Ships; and he desires a Committee of the House of Commons may be sent down, to examine some Persons touching Words spoken against the Parliament.

Committee for Safety of the Kingdom to send for Persons.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Safety of the Kingdom shall (fn. †) have Power to send for what Persons they think fit, and to examine them.

Scots Commissioners desire Payment of Eighty Thousand Pounds.

The Lord Kymbolton reported, "That the Scotts Commissioners do press for the Payment of Eighty Thousand Pounds, Part of the Brotherly Assistance which is due to them."

Ordered, To be communicated to the House of Commons at a Conference.

Message to the H. C. about this and the Earl of Warwick's Letters.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Robt. Rich and Mr. Page:

To desire a Conference, touching some Letters received from the Earl of Warwicke, and also touching a Desire of the Scotts Commissioners for Payment of their Money.

Letter from the Earl of Warwick, that the Sheriff refuses to take Two Captains sent for by the Lord's, as Delinquents.

"My Lords,

"Since the sealing up of my Packet, here came aboard me Sir Timothy Thornebill and Captain Sands, who tells me the Sheriff is ashore, to whom I wrote to come to take Charge of Captain Slyngsby and Captain Wake, to carry them up as Delinquents, according to the Order of the Lords House; who sends me Word he hath a Proclamation from the King, and will not meddle in the Business, notwithstanding there was Four Justices of the Peace to assist him; videlicet, Sir Tymothy Thornhill, Captain Sands, Mr. Monnegs, and Mr. Tho. Blethenden. This I thought good to give your Lordships Notice of, that some other Course may be taken for the sending them up; else they may be rescued, or make an Escape. Mr. Maxwell's Deputy stays still here, until I hear your Lordships Answer; not having else at present, I remain

From aboard of His Majesty's Ship The James, this 7th of July, 1642.

"Your Lordships to command,

"Warwicke."

Isabella Masey.

Upon the reading of the Petition of Isabella Massey; it is Ordered to be referred to the Consideration of Mr. Justice Crawley, what is fit [ (fn. *) to be] therein legally done for the Relief of the Petitioner; and to make Report thereof to this House.

Brent and Johnson.

Ordered, That Sir Nath. Brent shall be heard on Monday next, concerning the Business of Ezechiell Johnson, who is to have Notice hereof.

Order for Three Thousand Pounds to the Committee for Defence of the Kingdom, to buy Arms.

Ordered, That Three Thousand Pounds be forthwith paid, out of the Monies that are come in upon the Subscriptions, to the Committee appointed to consider of the Defence of the (fn. †) Kingdom, to be disposed of by them in buying of Arms for the Countries.

Sir Tho. Cary and the Bp. of Ardagh.

Ordered, That these Lords following are to take into (fn. ‡) Consideration the Business between Sir Tho. Cary and the Bishop of Ardagh, of Ireland, to see if they can settle the Differences between them by Consent:

Earl Lyncolne.
Lord Robartes.
Lord North.

To meet when they please, any Two.

Branthwayte, Contribution-money.

Ordered, That Robert Branthwayte shall have paid him, out of the Contribution for the Irish Poor, Sixty Pounds.

Muschampe's close Imprisonment remitted.

Ordered, upon the Petition of Edmond Muschampe, That he shall be remitted of his close Imprisonment in The Gatehouse; but shall be kept there in safe Custody, until he be further examined, and the Pleasure of this House be further known.

Bagshaw and Wright.

Upon the Petition of Mary Bagshawe and Margaret Wright; it is Ordered, That Thomas Bagshawe shallshew Cause, on Tuesday next, why he hath not performed the Order of this House of the 16th of June, 1641.

Order for Five Hundred Pounds to Ld. Ruthin and Sir Arthur Haslerig, for Leicestershire Officers.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That Five Hundred Pounds shall be impressed, upon Account, unto the Lord Ruthin and Sir Arthur Haselrigg, out of the Subscription-monies, to be employed for the Pay of the Officers to be sent down into Leycestershire by Order of both Houses."

Wollaston, Keeper of Newgate, Allowance for keeping Moore and M'Miller.

Upon the Petition of Henry Wollaston, Keeper of Newgate, shewing, "That he being at great Charge, out of his own Purse, to the Sum of Forty-three Pounds, Nineteen Shillings, and Eight Pence, for the maintaining of Moore and Mackmiller in Newgate, which were committed by this House;" it is Ordered, That it is referred to the Sheriffs of London; and, if they find the Sum to be reasonable and fitting, and it appear to them that there is good Ground for it, then they are to pay him the said Sum, and to put it to their Account.

Bennet, Contribution money.

Ordered, That Paul Bennet, a very poor Man, that is come out of Ireland, shall be paid by the Clerk of the Crown, out of the Contribution-money, Ten Pounds.

Message from the H. C. with Propositions from both Houses to the City.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Marten:

That, upon Report from the Committee of the Defence of the Kingdom, the House of Commons have agreed to some Propositions to be sent to the Council of London, for both Houses, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence; and that some Members of both Houses may be appointed to go to the City with these Propositions. (Here enter them.)

A Letter from the Deputy Lieutenants of Warwick to the Speaker of the H. C.

"Honourable Sir,

"We whose Names are hereunder written, being Deputy Lieutenants of the County of Warwick, and City and County of Coventry, do, in all Humility, certify to this Honourable House the Success of our Endeavours in the Execution of the Ordinance of the Militia, which was as followeth: The County of Warwick being divided into Four Hundreds, the Lord Lieutenant, for the Ease thereof, did appoint for each Hundred a several Day, and convenient Place of Meeting, for their View and Training: The First was at Stratford upon Avon, the 30th of June, where appeared Four Hundred Voluntiers well armed, and Two Hundred unarmed. The Second and Third Meeting was at Warr. the First and Second of July, where appeared Six Hundred and Fifty Voluntiers well armed. The Fourth Meeting was at Coleshill, the Fourth Day of July, and there appeared about Eight Hundred Voluntiers, almost all well armed. The Fifth Meeting being at Coventry, for the City and County thereof, there appeared Eight Hundred Voluntiers, most of them well armed: So as the Total Sum of the Voluntiers amounts unto Two Thousand Eight Hundred and Fifty. And whereas the Trained Bands of the County of Warwick, and City and County of Coventry, are in the Whole Six Hundred; there appeared of them, at the several Times and Places aforesaid, Five Hundred and Fifty.

"And, besides the aforesaid Appearance, the Earl of Northampton being in the County, upon a Report that he would oppose the said Service at Coleshill, there was a ready and affectionate Appearance of about Eight Hundred Horse, that accompanied the Lord Lieutenant thither, for the securing of his Person, and advancing the Cause.

"And in these Meetings and Concourse of People, we found a most free and clear Expression of their Affections to the King and Parliament, and a general Approbation of and Consent unto this inclosed Petition; all which we humbly recommend to this Honourable House; and rest,

"Your humble Servants,

Coventry, July 5.

"Edw. Peyto.
Will. Combe.
John Temple.
Wm. Pinesey.
John Barker.
Tho. Basnett.
Peter Wentworth.
Godfrey Bosevile.

"To the Honourable William Lenthall, Esquire, Speaker of the House of Commons. These, present."

Petition of the Warwick Militia to Lord Brooke.

(fn. *) "To the Right Honourable Robert Lord Brooke, Lord Lieutenant for the County of Warwick.

"The Petition of the Deputy Lieutenants, Captains, Officers, and Soldiers of the Trained Bands, and Voluntiers, of the County aforesaid,

"Humbly sheweth,

"That it was no small Comfort and Settling to the well-affected of the whole Kingdom, when they understood the most excellent, necessary, and seasonable Ordinance of both Houses of Parliament concerning the Militia; so, in special, we of this County (who did most earnestly petition for it) do desire to come short of none in the Expression of our unfeigned Thankfulness to them for the happy Accomplishment thereof, as also for their Respects to us, in appointing your Lordship our Lieutenant: Our Request to your Lordship is, That you will present our most humble and hearty Thanks to the Parliament, signifying our Readiness to obey His Majesty's Royal Authority in their happy Ordinance of the Militia, and our Resolutions to adhere to His Majesty and both Houses of Parliament, to the Loss of the last Drop of our dearest Blood, in securing His and their Persons, and advancing their Designs; which (though maliciously traduced by some few malignant Persons), we rest most assured, tend only to the Establishment of the Truth and Peace to us and our Posterity; for the better securing whereof, we humbly and heartily pray this Ordinance may be continued, till, by some other effectual Provision, the Peace of this Kingdom and the Security of our Laws be established, especially by putting the Power and Care of their Execution in such Hands as the Parliament and Kingdom may conside in, which, by the late Violation of the Petition of Right, we have Cause to recommend to the Parliament, as fearing the like Miscarriages, for the Time to come, of whatsoever good Laws you can provide, without some such Way of Security.

"And we further pray, that some speedy Course may be taken, to remove from His Majesty's most Sacred Person all pestilent Troublers of this Church and State: And for such Members as leave that Great Council, and cleave to the malignant Party, our most humble and earnest Desires are, that they may receive such condign and speedy Punishment (the Kingdom groaning under so long Delay) as shall be thought fit, by the Wisdom and Justice of this Parliament.

"One Request more, that concerns this County, we humbly present your Lordship with, That the Magazine thereof, which lies in the City and County of Coventry, may be removed, and laid up in your Lordship's Castle at Warr. as the safest Place of the County, with a sufficient Guard provided by the County for the securing of it.

"And your Petitioners shall ever pray, &c."

"My most Noble Lords,

Letter from the Archbp. of York to the Lords.

"My Duty in all Humility and Lowliness remembered unto your Lordships,

"I have received your Noble Lordships Order of the 22d of June but this Day, the 3d of July, being the Lord's-day; and it is impossible I should literally comply with the Matter required in the same. I came from Huntingdonshire to Yorke (from whence I was not debarred by any Order of that Honourable House) by His Majesty's Command; and, by the same Command, I am strictly required not to depart this County of Yorke without His Majesty's especial Leave, upon Pain of seizing upon my Temporalities. Your Lordships Messenger can inform your Lordships, he found me not at Yorke, but here at mine own Country-house, preaching to my People. I will wait upon His Majesty, and humbly desire His Favour that I may obey your honourable Order in Act, as I already (fn. *) do in Præparatione Animi. In the mean Season, I do most earnestly beseech your Lordships Favour and Mercy towards me, if I trespass a little in the prescribed Time. And your Lordships shall never hear (from any true Relation) that, by any Miscarriage of mine, I shall otherwise comport myself, than as becometh

Caword, July 3, 1642.

"Your Lordships most humble

"And most obliged Servant,

"Orator, and Petitioner,

"Jo. Eborac.

"To my most Honourable and most Noble Lords, the Lords sitting in the Peers House of Parliament."

Propositions from both Houses to the City, for raising Ten Thousand Men.

"Propositions to be propounded to a Common Council of the City, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament.

"1. That Ten Thousand Voluntiers may be speedily raised, in the City of London and the Liberties thereof, by their Assistance."

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House agrees with the House of Commons in this Proposition.

"2. That these Men may be formed into Companies and Regiments, so that they may be under Officers, who shall exercise them by Directions of both Houses of Parliament; and the Soldiers shall have Eight Pence by the Day, so long as they are in that Service."

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House agrees with the House of Commons in this Proposition.

"3. That this Body be ready to march into any Part of the Kingdom where both Houses of Parliament shall direct."

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House agrees with the House of Commons in this Resolution.

"4. That such of the City as are willing may lend as many Arms for this Service as they can well spare, which Arms shall be restored or made good by both Houses of Parliament, if any be lost or impaired."

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House agrees with the House of Commons in this Proposition.

"5. That, considering the Preparations in the North, these Things may be put in a speedy Way of Dispatch; and that within these Three or Four Days, if possible."

Resolved, upon the Question, That this House agrees with the House of Commons in this Proposition.

"6. That the City will take into their Consideration the most convenient Place they have to dispose the Magazine in, which is now on Shipboard, that it may be placed accordingly."

"Resolved, upon the Question, That this House agrees with the House of Commons in this Proposition.

"7. That a Declaration be made, That Satisfaction shall be given to those that receive any Loss by the letting in the Water about Hull."

Agreed to.

"8. That the Ensign at Yorke may have some Consideration for his Sufferings in the Service of the Parliament."

Agreed to.

"9. That some Persons be appointed, for the receiving Seven Thousand Five Hundred Pounds, to buy Horse; and this to be done by Mr. Smith, Mr. Donett, and the Four Treasurers, or by whom they shall appoint."

Agreed to.

"10. That a Place and Time may be assigned, for the bringing in of Horse; and that Two Shillings and Six Pence be allowed for a Man and his Horse; and, in case any bring in Horse only, to be allowed but Sixteen Pence a Day, and the Rider Fourteen Pence."

Agreed to, and referred to the Committee for the Safety of the Kingdom to appoint Time and Place.

"11. That the Gentlemen that brings in these Horse may choose whether they will take their Horse or no; but to receive the Price of them, as valued by the Commissaries."

Agreed to.

"12. That the Commissary have Notice of the Time and Place for the Musterings."

Agreed to.

"13. Some Course to be taken with Colonel Ashburnham."

Ordered, That he (fn. *) be brought to this House from Hull, about by Sea.

"14. To move for a General Order for the having the disposing of all the Arms that came from Hull."

Agreed to.

Committees of both Houses to go into the City with them.

Ordered, That the Lord Kymbolton and the Lord Newnham are appointed [ (fn. †) to go], with a proportionable Number of the House of Commons, to the Common Council of the City, and tender to them these Propositions from both Houses.

The Answer returned to the Messengers was:

Answer to the H. C.

That this House agrees to all their Propositions now brought up; and that their Lordships have appointed Two Lords, to go this Afternoon to the City; and that this House thinks it fit that Mr. Ashburneham be brought about by Sea from Hull.

Adjourn.

Quinta post meridiem.

Post meridiem.

PRAYERS.

The Lord Kymbolton was appointed to be Speaker this Day.

The Messengers that went to the House of Commons concerning the Scotts Commissioners, returned with this Answer:

That the House of Commons will send an Answer, by Messengers of their own.

Complaint of Obstructions in the Common Council.

Some of the Common Council of the City of London complained unto this (fn. *) House, of some Obstructions made this Day in the Common Council; the Particulars whereof were read, attested by many of the Hands of the Common Council, in a Paper as followeth:

(Here enter.)

The Answer returned was:

Answer to it.

That this House gives them Thanks for their Care and Readiness in this Business; and they were told, "That this House will take a speedy Course herein."

"At a Common Council holden the 9th of July, 1642.

Debate in the Common Council, about disposing of the Arms from Hull, in the City.—The Lord Mayor refuses to put the Question.

"Whereas an Order of the Lords and Commons in Parliament, dated the First of July, 1642, requiring my Lord Mayor to call a Common Council, to consider of convenient Places where the Arms and Ammunition brought from Hull may be with most Safety laid up and reserved, within the City of London and Liberties thereof, as appeareth more largely by a Copy of the said Order annexed: After the reading of which Order Three several Times, and much Debate had thereof, and great Importunity used to persuade the Lord Mayor to put to Vote, "Whether the said Common Council would make it an Act of that Court, That the said Arms should be placed in convenient Places within the City, according to the Direction of the said Order or not;" the Lord Mayor first protested against it, and then wholly refused to put the same to Question; saying these Words, "I will not put it to Vote:" Whereupon One of the Members of the said Court professing his Readiness to give his Consent to obey the said Ordinance of Parliament, many of the Aldermen then present, and all the Commons with one Consent, cried out, "And so we do all;" and declared it by holding up their Hands, as is accustomed to declare the Votes of that Court.

"Attested by,

"Robert Hanch, Samuell Vassall, James Rand, John Bellamy, John Venn, Randall Manwaring, Christopher Nicholson, Wm. Barkley, Sam. Harsnett, Owen Rowe, Edward Hooker, Wm. Perkins, and others, to the Number of Sixty-six."

Adjourn.

Adjourn, Monday, nona.

Footnotes

* Origin. and.
* Origin. Shipp.
Deest in Originali.
* Bis in Originali.
Origin. Defence.
Origin. consider.
* A Duplicate of this Petition is entered in the Journal of 6 die Julii, p. 187, 188.
* Origin. to do
* Deest in Originali.
Bis in Originali.
* Deest in Originali.