House of Lords Journal Volume 5
18 March 1643

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 5: 18 March 1643', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 5: 1642-1643 (1767-1830), pp. 653-654. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=35053 Date accessed: 30 August 2014.


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DIE Sabbati, 18 die Martii.

PRAYERS.

Earl of Manchester was appointed to be Speaker this Day.

Mr. Carey, a Pass.

Ordered, That Mr. Carey (fn. *) shall have a Pass, to go to Oxford, being lately come from His Majesty, with a Letter to the Parliament.

E. of Kinoule D°.

Ordered, That the [ (fn. †) Earl of] Kenowle shall have a Pass, to come from to London.

Mr. Killingtree, D°.

Ordered, That Mr. Killingtree, Servant to the Prince, shall have a Pass, to go to Oxfored, with his Coach.

Lady Goting D°.

Ordered, That the Lady Goringe shall have a Pass, to go to Oxford, with a Coach and Six Horses, and Six Saddle-horses.

Sir Thomas Dawes freed from Arrests, whilst he is attending his Bill.

Ordered, That Sir Thomas Dawes and his Brother shall have an Order, to free him from Arrests, when he hath Occasion to attend the Lords Committees concerning a Bill which concerns him; and shall have Liberty to go to his Counsel, to instruct them concerning the said Business.

Hustler, a Pass.

Ordered, That Wm. Hustler, Sadler to the Prince his Highness, shall have a Pass, to carry down to Oxford Two little Saddles, with their Furniture, One for the Prince, the other for the Duke of Yorke.

Report of the Instructions for the Committee who are to attend the King.

The Earl of Holland reported, "That the select Committees of both Houses have met, and considered of certain Instructions to be given to the Committees that are to be sent by both Houses of Parliament to His Majesty, to treat concerning the Cessation and Propositions:" Which Instructions were offered to the Consideration of this House; and they were read, as followeth: (fn. ‡)

Resolved, That this House approves of these Instructions, as they are now read.

Scouts at Lambeth open a Letter of the E. of Holland's.

Colonel Man waring to attend, and bring the Scouts with him.

The Earl of Holland desired Reparation for an Injury, which was lately offered unto him by Two Scouts beyond Lambeth, who met a Messenger coming to his Lordship with a Letter; they brake the same open, though they were told it was for the Earl of Holland: Hereupon this House Ordered, That Colonel Manwaringe shall have Notice to attend this House on Monday Morning, and bring with him those Scouts which [ (fn. *) were at] Lambeth on Thursday last; and then this House will acquaint him with this Misdemeanor and Insolence of the Soldiers, and other Particulars of this Nature, that Order may (fn. †) be taken to prevent these Outrages.

Message to the H. C. for a Conference about the Instructions for the Committee who are to attend the King.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Dr. Bennett and Heath:

To desire a Conference, so soon as it may stand with their Conveniency, touching the Instructions to be given to the Committees that (fn. †) are to go to treat with the King.

Sir Edward Berkley's Petition, to be removed from The Poultry, to the Custody of Mr. Turner.

The Petition of Sir Edward Berkley, Knight, was read; shewing, "That (fn. ‡) he hath been Six Months since committed, by Warrant from this House, to The Poultry Compter, where ever since he hath remained in that loathsome Prison, to the great Decay of his Health, being very aged and sickly: Therefore prayeth he may be removed from this noisome Prison to the Custody of Mr. Ambrose Turner, in the Parish of St. Clements in the Strand, giving good Security to be a true Prisoner."

To be granted, except the H. C. give Reasons to the contrary.

Ordered, To send this Petition to the House of Commons (because he is impeached by them); and to let them know, that, in regard of the great Age of Sir Edward Berckley, and his Indisposition of Body at this Time, their Lordships are resolved to remove him, according to his Petition, if their Lordships do not hear Reasons from them to the contrary by Wednesday next.

His Petition sent to them.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Serjeant Whitfeild and Mr. Serjeant Glanvile:

To deliver this Petition to the House of Commons, and acquaint them with their Lordships Resolutions as aforesaid.

Instructions for the Committees who are to go to the King, not to be entered yet, and no Copies of them to be given.

Ordered, That the Clerk of the Parliament shall not (fn. ||) deliver any Copy of the Instructions to the Committees, or to any Person; and that he shall forbear to enter them into the Journal Book, until further Directions shall be given by this House; and that the like be desired of the House of Commons.

Answer from the H. C.

The Messengers return this Answer from the House of Commons:

That they will give a present Conference, as is desired.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed.

To sit P. M.

Ordered, That this House shall sit at Four of the Clock this Afternoon.

Message to the H. C. to do so too.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Dr. Aylett and Dr. Heath:

To (fn. §) let the House of Commons know, that this House doth intend to sit this Afternoon, at Four of the Clock, and desire them to sit likewise.

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 4a post meridiem.

Post meridiem.

PRAYERS.

E. (fn. *)

Answer from the H. C.

The Messengers sent this Morning to the House of Commons return with this Answer:

That they have delivered their Message to the House of Commons, concerning Sir Edward Berkley.

The Messengers sent this Morning to the House of Commons return with this Answer:

That they will sit this Afternoon, at Four of the Clock, as desired.

Message from thence, for a further Conference about the Instructions to the Committees who are to go to the King.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Hatcher:

To desire a Conference, as soon as may stand with their Lordships Conveniency, touching the Matter of the late Conference, concerning the Instructions to be given to the Committees that are to go to treat with the King.

Answer returned was:

Answer.

That their Lordships will give a present Conference, in the Painted Chamber, as is desired.

Crofts, Smith, and Crewe, a Pass.

Ordered, That Mr. Anthony Crofts, Mr. John Smith, and Mr. Nathaniell Crewe, shall have Passes, to go to Oxford, and return again to London, without Molestation and Interruption; taking with them such Servants and Necessaries as shall be expedient and convenient for their Journey.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed.

Report of the Conference about the Instructions for the Committees who are to attend the King.

And the Speaker reported, "That, at this Conference, the House of Commons brought up to their Lordships the Instructions to be given to the Committees that are to go to Oxford, to treat with His Majesty; wherein they have made some few Alterations, which they offer to their Lordships Consideration.

"Further they agree, that no Copies be taken of these Instructions, but to keep them private; but think it fit that a Copy in each House may remain sealed up, to remain with the Speakers of each House, to be made Use of as Occasion serves; and, to prevent any Solicitations as may be made to the Committee, that they may have some Warrant, they have laid an Injunction upon the Committees of the House of Commons, that they do not communicate them or make them known to any Persons whatsoever; and they desire their Lordships would lay the like Injunction upon the Committees of the Lords House, and that the Committees may be desired to let the Parliament hear from them Once in Two Days: That this may be the better done, the House of Commons thinks it convenient that Six Messengers may be appointed, to go between the Parliament and the Committees; the House of Commons have named Four; videlicet, Mr. Weldon, Mr. John Corbett, Mr. Rushworth, and Mr. Challoner; and have left the other Two to be nominated by their Lordships: And this House named Sir Peter Killegrew, and left the other to be named by the Earl of Northumberland."

Alterations in them agreed to.

Ordered, That this House agrees with the House of Commons in all (fn. †) the Alterations in the Instructions, and in the rest of the Particulars now brought up at this Conference.

Message to the H. C. to acquaint them with it.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Serjeant Whitfeild (fn. ‡) and Serjeant Glanvile:

To let them know, that their Lordships agree with them in the Alterations, and the rest of the Particulars brought up at the last Conference.

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 10a Lunæ.

Footnotes

* Origin. that shall.
Deest in Originali.
Sic.
* Origin. are.
Deest in Originali.
Origin. the.
|| Origin. Delivery.
§ Origin. set.
* Sic.
Bis in Originali.
Origin. by.