DIE Martis, 4 die Aprilis.
Earl of (fn. *)
Mr. Frier, a Pass to Holland.
Ordered, That Mr. Phillip Frier shall have Leave
to go into Holland.
The Speaker reported to the House, "That he had
received a Letter from the Earl of Northumb." which
was read; signifying, "That he hath sent some Papers,
being the King's Answer."
E. of Northumberland's Letter about the Treaty with the King; and about some Letters directed to him being taken away by one of Lord Essex's Scouts.
"I have sent, by this Bearer, several Papers of the
Transaction of the Two First Heads of the King's
First Proposition, betwixt His Majesty and the Committee: The Papers concerning the Revenue are by
themselves, and marked with Figures; so are those
concerning the Magazines; They are Six Papers, upon each of the Heads. Upon the Second Paper
concerning the Magazines, His Majesty told us, by
Word of Mouth, That by ["the Army under the Command of the Earl of Essex"] he meant the Armies of
the North and West as well as that at Windsor, for he
understood that the Earl of Essex had Command in
Chief. To the Sixth Paper concerning Magazines,
we have yet received no Answer in Writing; but the
Lord Falkland told us, That His Majesty did not
yet know the Names. We likewise presented to His
Majesty, within the Four Days, all that was on our
Part to be done concerning the Forts and Ships, and
the Disbanding of the Armies; to all which we have
received some Answers from His Majesty, and delivered to Him our Desires for Explanation. And
Seven Papers of ours to these remain yet unanswered;
the Business of the Cessation intervening, I humbly
desire the further Directions of the House hereupon.
Every Moment we expect the King's Answer concerning the Cessation, which we were promised with
all possible Speed; and I hope your Lordship will
suddenly receive it.
"I shall crave Leave to acquaint your Lordship with
an Accident that happened this Day to a Servant of
mine, as he was returning hither to me, having a
Pass from me under my Hand: About Fifteen Miles
from this Town, a Scout of my Lord of Essex met
him, took from him those few Letters that he had,
all of them directed to me, and carried them (as he
said) to Winsor. If this be permitted, we shall not
adventure to write any Thing: nor shall we be certain of receiving any of your Lordships Commands,
Unless we have Liberty for the free sending of
Messengers with our Passes, whilst we are here employed in your Service, I know not how any Letters
will be conveyed unto your Lordship. I leave to
your Lordships Wisdoms to consider of, and so I
"Your Lordship's humble Servant,
Oxford, the 2d April, 1643, at Night.
"For the Right Honourable the
Earl of Manchester, Speaker
of the House of Peers pro
Speaker to write to the L. General, to send for the Scout, and to prevent the like Insult for the future.
This House taking into Consideration what Course to
take, to give the Earl of Northumb. Reparation for
the staying of his Letters and taking them away, and
for the preventing of the like for the future; this
House Ordered, That the Speaker should write to
the Lord General, to acquaint him therewith, and desire him to send for the Scout, and examine the Business, and take some Course that the Earl of Northumb.
may receive Reparation; and that he would give a
strict Command to all Scouts, and other Officers in the
Army, that no such Thing may be done for the future;
and that his Lordship give an Account to this House of
the Examination of this Business.
Next, was read these Papers following: videlicet,
Papers relative to the King's Revenue and Magazines.
1. An Answer of the Committee concerning the
King's Revenue, 26 March.
2. His Majesty's Reply concerning His Revenue,
3. The Questions of the Committee upon the King's
Reply concerning Revenue, 27 March.
4. The King's Answer to the Question of the Committee concerning His Majesty's Revenue, 27 March.
5. The King's Question concerning Revenue, March 27.
6. The Answer of the Committee to the King's Question concerning Revenue.
1. The Committees Answer concerning the Magazines, 26 March.
2. His Majesty's Reply concerning His Magazines,
3. An Explanation desired concerning the Magazines,
4. His Majesty's Explanations concerning the Magazines, March 28.
5. His Majesty's further Explanation concerning His
Magazines, March 29.
6. A further Desire of Explanation concerning the
Magazines, March 29.
"March 26, 1643.
Answer from the Committee, concerning the King's Revenue.
"To that Part of Your Majesty's First Proposition
concerning Your Majesty's own Revenue, we give
"The Two Houses of Parliament have not made Use
of Your Majesty's own Revenue but in a very small
Proportion, which for a good Part hath been employed in the Maintenance of Your Majesty's Children, according to the Allowance established by
Yourself; and the Two Houses of Parliament will
satisfy what shall remain due to Your Majesty of
those Sums received out of Your Majesty's own Revenue, and will leave the same to Your Majesty for
the Time to come. We likewise humbly propose
to Your Majesty, that You will restore what hath
been taken for Your Majesty's Use upon any of the
Bills assigned to other Purposes by several Acts of
Parliament, or out of the Provision made for the
War of Ireland.
"March 26, 1643.
His Majesty's Reply.
"His Majesty knows not what Proportion of His
Revenue hath been made Use of by His Two Houses
of Parliament; but He hath Reason to believe that,
if much of it hath not been used, very much remains still in their Hands; His whole Revenue being
so seized and stopped by the Orders of One or both
Houses, even to the taking away of His Money out
of the Exchequer and Mint, and Bonds (forced from
His Cofferer's Clerks) for the Provision of His Majesty's Household, that very little hath come to His
Majesty's Use, for His own Support. He is well
contented to allow whatsoever hath been employed
in the Maintenance of His Children, and to receive
the Arrears to Himself, and to be sure of His own
for the future.
"He is likewise willing to restore all Monies taken
(fn. *) for His Majesty's Use, by any Authority from Him,
upon any Bills assigned to other Purposes, His Majesty being assured He hath received very little or
nothing that Way; and expects that Satisfaction be
made for all those several vast Sums received and diverted to other Purposes by Orders of One or both
Houses, which ought to have been paid upon the
Act of Pacification to His Subjects of Scotland, or
employed for the Discharge of the Debts of this
Kingdom, and by other Acts of Parliament for the
Relief of His poor Protestant Subjects of Ireland.
"March 27, 1643.
Question of the Committee upon it.
"Whereas we have received Your Majesty's Answer of the 26th of this Instant to ours of the same
Date, concerning Your Majesty's own Revenue:
"We humbly desire to know of Your Majesty, if
you will not account Your Revenue to be sure for
the future, if both Houses of Parliament do leave
it in the same Way as it was before these Troubles
"March 27, 1643.
The King's Answer.
"His Majesty did intend, in His former Answer, by
those Words of ["being sure of His own for the future,"] that no Restraint or Interruptions should be
made, by One or both Houses, in and upon His Majesty's Revenue; but that it should be left in the
same Way it was before these Troubles did begin.
"March 27, 1643.
Question from the King, concerning His Revenue.
"His Majesty desires to be resolved, by the Committee from both Houses, whether their Proposition
to His Majesty, to restore what hath been taken for
His Majesty's Use upon any of the Bills, &c. be a
new Demand, or a Condition upon which only that
is granted which goes before.
"March 27, 1643.
Answer of the Committee to it.
"Whereas Your Majesty desired to be resolved by
us, whether the Proposition to Your Majesty, to restore what hath been taken for Your Majesty's Use
upon any of the Bills, &c. be a new Demand, or a
Condition upon which that is granted which goes
"We humbly conceive it to be no new Demand; but
whether it be such a Condition, upon which only
that which goes before is granted, we are not able to
"March 26, 1643.
Committees Answer concerning the King's Magazines.
"To that Part of Your Majesty's First Proposition
concerning Your Magazines, we humbly give this
"That all the Arms and Ammunition taken out of
Your Majesty's Magazines, which shall remain in the
Hands of both Houses of Parliament, shall be delivered into Your Stores; and whatsoever shall be
wanting, they will in convenient Time supply in Kind,
according to the Proportions which they have received.
"We likewise humbly propose unto Your Majesty,
that the Persons to whose Charge those Public Magazines shall be committed, being nominated by Your
Majesty, may be such as the Two Houses of Parliament shall conside in; and that Your Majesty will
restore all such Arms and Ammunition as have been
taken, for Your Majesty's Use, from the several Counties, Cities, and Towns.
"March 27, 1643.
His Majesty's Reply.
"His Majesty is content that all the Arms and Ammunition taken out of His Magazines, which do now
remain in the Hands of both Houses, or of Persons
employed by them, be forthwith delivered into such
of His Stores as His Majesty shall appoint; and that
whatsoever shall be wanting of the Proportions taken
out from thence by them, be supplied by them with
all convenient Speed in Kind; which shall be committed to, and continued in, the Custody of the sworn
Officers, to whose Places the same belongs; and, if
any of the said Officers shall have forfeited, or shall
forfeit, that Trust, by any Misdemeanors, His Majesty will by no Means defend them from the Justice
of the Law,
"For the Restoring all such Arms and Ammunition
as have been taken, for His Majesty's Use, from the
several Counties, Cities, and Towns, His Majesty being compelled to take them, His own being taken from
Him, did it always with this Caution and Promise to
the Places from whence he took them, that He would,
by the Blessing of God, restore them again, and make
Recompence out of His own Stores as soon as it
should be in His Power; which Promise He will make
good to them, expecting that such Arms and Ammunition as have been taken from the several Counties,
Cities, and Towns, for the Use of the Armies under
the Command of the Earl of Essex, be likewise restored to them.
"March 28, 1643.
Committee desire an Explanation of it.
"Whereas we have received Your Majesty's Answer
of the 27th of this Month, to ours of the 26th of this
Instant, concerning Your Majesty's Magazines:
"We humbly desire to know of Your Majesty what
Time you intend by the Expression in the Words
["be forthwith delivered"].
"We humbly desire to know in what Places Your
Majesty would have Your Stores, and who are the
sworn Officers Your Majesty intends, that, according
to our Instructions, we may transmit their Names to
both Houses of Parliament.
"March 28, 1643.
The King's Explanation.
"His Majesty intended by that Expression ["be
forthwith delivered"] as soon as the Treaty shall be
concluded and agreed on.
"March 29, 1643.
"The Place of Store, into which His Majesty is content that the Arms and Ammunition taken out of His
Majesty's Magazines be delivered, is His Tower of
London; and the Officers he intends; are such as by
Patent ought to receive and keep the same.
"March 29, 1643.
Committee desire a further Explanation.
"Concerning the Magazines:
"We humbly desire, according to our Instructions,
that the Persons to whose Charge the Public Magazines should be committed, being nominated by Your
Majesty, should be such as the Lords and Commons
should conside in.
"We, not knowing whether the Two Houses will
conside in the Persons Your Majesty mentions, must
transmit their Names to both Houses of Parliament,
to receive their further Instructions.
Inhabitants of St. Leonard's Foster Lane, Petition for a Minister.
Upon reading the Petition of the Inhabitants of the
Parish Church of St. Leonards Foster Lane, in London;
shewing, "That their Minister is lately dead, and the
Gift of that Living is in the Dean of Westm: and,
in regard of his Absence, they cannot come to be
Suitors to him, for to have an honest and an able
Minister for that Parish; they desired their Lordships
to take their Case into their Lordships Consideration:"
Hereupon this House Ordered, That the Bishop of
London be desired, from this House, not to institute or
induct any Man into the aforesaid Living, until the Pleasure of this House be further known.
Trafford's Possession in the Fens in Lincoln to be quieted.
Upon reading the Petition of John Trafford Esquire,
shewing, "That, by virtue of an Order of this House,
he hath enjoyed the Possession of Lands inclosed, in
the Fens, in the County of Lyncolne; but of late he
is disturbed in his quiet Possession, by the Means of
one Wise, a Councellor:" Hereupon this House Ordered, That the Two next Justices of the Peace, calling
unto their Aid the Under Sheriff of the said County,
shall see the Order of this House put into due Execution, and do therein according to Justice.
Order for sequestering the Profits of Thorley from Pory.
Whereas Rob't Pory was summoned to appear before
this House this Day, to be heard what he could say
touching the Sequestration of the Church of Thorley, in
the County of Hertford; and the said (fn. *)
Pory not giving his Attendance accordingly, this House read the
Order of Sequestration, and agreed with the House
[ (fn. †) of Commons] therein. (Here enter it.)
Rogers, a Pass.
Ordered, That Mr. Francis Rogers shall have a
Pass, to go to Oxford, and return again to London, with
Servants, and such Necessaries as shall be convenient for
his said Journey.
May to be removed from Coventry to London.
Message to the H. C. to concur in it.
It was moved, "That whereas Mr. Adrian May is a
Prisoner in the City of Coventry, and that the Lady
Viscountess Campden his Aunt being very sick, likely
to die, from whom he is in Expectation of a Fortune;
and, in Case she should die, and he at so great a Distance, it would be much to his Prejudice:" In regard
whereof, their Lordships are inclined to give Leave
that he should be brought to (fn. *)
London as a Prisoner,
and remain there under the same Restriction as he now
is; but, because the Committee at Coventry have their
Power from both Houses of Parliament, this House sent a
Message to the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't
and Mr. Page, to let them know, that, upon the Reasons aforesaid, their Lordships are inclined to give Leave
that the said Mr. Adrian should be † brought up to
London, as a Prisoner, in regard it will else be much to
his Prejudice, which their Lordships are unwilling it
Sir Charles Berkley's Servants, a Pass.
Ordered, That Thomas Dale, Wm. Bisgood, Roger
Open, Wm. Baker, Eliz. Linnis, and Edith Russell, Servants to Sir Charles Berkley, shall have a Pass, quietly
to pass from London to the House of Sir Charles Berkeley, in Somersetshire, and back again; taking with them
Six Saddle-horses, a Horse-litter, and such Apparel
and other Necessaries as shall be fit and convenient for
the said Journey.
Hobbart, Earl of Holland's Servant, Privilege.
The Earl of Holland acquainted this House, "That
one Mr. Nath. Hobbart, a Servant of his Lordship's,
is arrested, at the Suit of one John Raven, upon a
Bond of Two Hundred Pounds; and that the said Raven coming before his Lordship, upon Examination
of the Business, it appeared that the said Mr. Hobbart
was but a Surety for another, and so no proper Debt
of his own; yet, upon Offer made that, if the said Raven would release the Payment of the Interest Money, that Mr. Hubbart would pay the Principal Money, the said Raven refused to do (fn. †) it; it was desired that
the said Mr. Hobbart might be released from the said
Arrest; and the Party Mr. Raven at whose † Suit he
was arrested, and (fn. ‡) also that the Serjeant that arrested him, may be sent for as Delinquents, to answer
the same:" Which this House Ordered accordingly; and this House Ordered, That the Protection
given by the Earl of Holland to the said Mr. Hobbart
shall be hereby confirmed and made effectual, and that
Mr. Hobbart shall have and enjoy the Privilege of Parliament thereby.
Answer from the H. C. about May.
The Messengers return with this Answer from the
House of Commons:
That they will send Answer, by Messengers of their
w n, concerning Mr. Adrian Maye.
Orders from the H. C. for Concurrence
Next, the House read and passed these Orders following, formerly brought up from the House of Commons:
1. An Order to pay Seventy Pounds to divers Women,
who are the Wives of some Persons employed in the Train
of Artillery in Ireland. (Here enter it.)
2. An Order to pay Forty Pounds to Mr. Higginson,
for Wheat for Ireland. (Here enter it.)
3. An Order for Payment of One Hundred and Thirty-eight Pounds to Sir Rob't Kinge, for Wheat, &c. for
Ireland. (Here enter it.)
4. An Order to pay Four Hundred Pounds, to be
impressed upon Accompt, unto Sir Jo. Clattworthy, for
his Service in Ireland. (Here enter it.)
Order for sequestering the Profits of Thorley from Mr. Pory.
"Whereas Robert Pory, Parson of the Parish Church
of Thorley, in the County of Hertford, hath endeavoured, in his Preaching, to corrupt his Parishioners
with the Leaven of Arminian Doctrines; that there
is no Divine Decree of particular Actions or Persons,
nor Love of God to particular Persons; but that
Christ died for all, and the Ground of our Election
to be in ourselves, and not in God; and usually inveigheth against Strictness in Religion, affirming a Puritan to be a Limb of the Devil, abusing our Brethren the
Scotts, publicly affirming them to be damned Rogues,
and them that took their Parts; and hath preached, that he was as much bound in Conscience to read
such Things in the Church as the Bishops sent unto
him to be so read, as he was bound to read the Lordsprayer, and that he received them by equal Authority; and hath expressed his Malignancy against the
Parliament's Proceedings, refusing to read the Ordinances and Declarations of Parliament required to be
read by him; and, when the same were read by another, he flung out of the Church, calling such as he
met to go out with him, and not to stay to hear
(as he called it) a Kind of bibble-babble Things, to no
Purpose at all: All which the Lords and Commons
in Parliament assembled taking into Consideration,
for the better Supply of an able and Godly Minister
in the said Church, and for the Provision of fit Maintenance for those that shall officiate therein, do constitute and Ordain, That Nicholas Humfrey, Henry
Godfrey, Edward Willey, Robert Osborne, Mathew Barnard, John Brett, Henry Taylor, and Edward Warner,
Parishioners of the said Parish of Thorly, or any
Three of them, shall have Power and Authority, and
are hereby required, to sequester the Parsonage-house,
and all the Glebe Lands, Tithes, Rents, and Profits
whatsoever, of the said Church, and to appoint Collectors for the gathering and receiving of them, as
they in their Discretion shall think fit; and shall have
Power, and are hereby required, to deliver and pay
the same unto John Halsiter, Master of Arts, a Godly,
Learned, and Orthodox Divine, who is hereby appointed and required to preach every Lords-day, and
to officiate as Parson, and to take Care for the Discharge of the Cure of the said Place in all the Duties
thereof; until further Order shall be taken by both
the Houses of Parliament; and, if any shall refuse to
pay unto the said Sequestrators, or any Three of them,
or to the Collectors appointed by them, any of the
Tithes, Rents, Duties, or lawful Fees accustomed to
be paid, or to deliver up to them the said Parsonagehouse or Glebe Lands, upon Information thereof by
the said Sequestrators, or any Three of them, unto
either House of Parliament, the said Lords and Commons do hereby Declare, They will proceed against
such Refusers according to their several Offences and
Order for 70l. to poor Women, out of their Husbands Pay in Ireland.
"Whereas divers Women, who are the Wives of
some Persons employed in the Train of Artillery in
Ireland (as is certified by the Lords Justices), are
humble and importunate Suitors, that a Part of the
Pay of their Husbands already due unto them, and
set out for the Relief of those Women and their
Children, may be paid them here, and defalked out
of their Husbands Pay there; the whole assigned to
those Women amounting, from the 15th Day of
October last, to the Third of this Instant March inclusive (being Five Months), to the Sum of Fortyeight Pounds, Sixteen Shillings, Eight Pence: It is
Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in this present
Parliament assembled, That, for Satisfaction of them
and some other Officers of the said Train of Artillery (who are necessarily employed here in keeping
the Stores of Materials designed for that Service), the
Receivers of the Adventurers-money, upon Subscriptions for Lands in Ireland, do pay unto Mr. Nicholas
Loftus, Deputy Treasurer at Wars for that Kingdom,
the Sum of Seventy Pounds, to be by him forthwith
paid over unto the said Women, and such other Servants of that Train of Artillery as the Committee
for the Affairs of Ireland shall direct, and to be defalked upon the several Entertainments and Pay of
their Husbands and others, due to that Time."
Order for 40l. to Mr. Higginson for Wheat.
"Whereas it appeareth, by the Certificate of John
Hodder Esquire, Commissary of Victual of the City of
Corke in Ireland, testified under the Hand of the Lord
Inhiquine, bearing Date the 4th Day of February
1642, presented to the Committee appointed to take
Care of the Affairs of that Kingdom, that Mr. Robert
Higginson hath delivered into His Majesty's Stores at
Corke Forty Barrels of Wheat, at Twenty Shillings
the Barrel, amounting to Forty Pounds Sterling, to
be paid in London, to the said Robert Higginson, or his
Assigns, out of the Chamber of London, by those
who are or shall be thereunto assigned, within Thirty
Days after Sight of the said Certificate (the Second
not being paid), according to the Order of Parliament
in that Behalf published in Print: It is Ordered by
the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled,
That the Receivers of the Adventurers-money for Ireland do forthwith pay, unto Mr. Nicholus Loftus,
Deputy Treasurer at Wars for that Kingdom, the said
Sum of Forty Pounds, to be by him paid over to the
said Mr. Higginson, or his Assigns, in full Satisfaction
of the said Wheat so delivered as is certified, and according to the said Order of Parliament in that Behalf."
Order for 400l. to Sir J. Clotworthy.
"It is this Day Ordered by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Four Hundred
Pounds, out of the Contribution-monies for Ireland, be
forthwith paid unto the Treasurer at Wars, or his
Deputy, for the Kingdom of Ireland, of those Monies,
to be impressed upon Accompt, unto Sir John Clottworthy, for his Service in Ireland."
Order for 138l. to Sir Robert King, for Cows, Wheat, &c.
"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in this present Parliament assembled, That the
Receivers of the Adventurers-money, upon Subscriptions for Lands in Ireland, do forthwith pay, out of
those Monies, unto Nicholas Loftus Esquire, Deputy
Treasurer at Wars for that Kingdom, the Sum of One
Hundred Thirty-eight Pounds, to be by him paid over
unto Sir Robert King Knight, or his Assigns, for Fiftytwo Cows, and One Hundred Seventy-two Barrels of
Wheat and Beer Barley, by him delivered into His Majesty's Stores at Dublin; that is to say, the Cows at
the Rate of Twenty Shillings the piece, and the Wheat
and Beer Barley at Ten Shillings the Barrel, as appeareth by the Certificate of Sir Phillip Percivall Knight,
Commissary General for the Victual here, dated the
26th Day of January last, and attested under the Hand
and Seal of Sir Adam Loftus Knight, Vice Treasurer
and Treasurer at Wars for that Kingdom, according
to an Ordinance of Parliament for that Purpose published in Print."
Mrs. Reeves, a Pass.
Ordered, That Mrs. Reeves, her Sister and her
Niece, shall have a Pass, quietly to go to Oxon, and back
again to London, with a Man Servant and a Maid Servant, a Coach, and Four Horses.
Mr. Lloyd, a Pass.
Ordered, That Mr. Lloyd, the Chaplain to this
House, shall have Leave to go into Berks, about his
Occasions, for a convenient Time.