DIE Dominico, videlicet, 8 die Augusti.
PRAYERS.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Justice Foster and Justice Mallet:
Message to the H. C. that the Lords agree to move the King for staying His Journey 14 Days.
To let them know, that this House doth join with
them in their Desires to move His Majesty concerning
the staying of His Journey into Scotland for Fourteen
Days longer.
The Messengers returned, with this Answer:
That they have delivered their Message to the House
of Commons, as they were commanded.
Committee to attend the King for this Purpose.
These Lords following were appointed to wait on His
Majesty, to know what Time He will please to appoint
both Houses to wait on Him, touching the deferring of
His Journey to Scotland: videlicet,
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The L. Privy Seal.
L. Marq. of Hertford.
L. Chamberlain. |
Comes Bedford.
Ds. Pagett. |
Committee to draw up a Declaration of the Reasons for sitting To-day.
Ordered, That these Lords following do consider,
and draw up a Declaration of the Reasons and Grounds
that moved this House to sit upon this Day: videlicet,
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The L. Privy Seal.
Comes Bathon.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Bristoll.
L. Viscount Say & Seale. |
Epus. Durham.
Epus. Lincolne.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Kymbolton.
Ds. Brooke. |
Message from the H. C. for a Conference touching the good Correspondency between both Kingdoms.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Sir Phillip Stapleton; who was commanded to render
their Lordships Thanks, for joining with the House of
Commons, in petitioning His Majesty for the staying His
Journey into Scotland for Fourteen Days longer; and
further, to desire a Conference, by a Committee of
both Houses, presently, if it may stand with their Lordships Conveniency, touching the good Correspondency
between both the Kingdoms.
The Answer was:
Answer.
That their Lordships will give a present Meeting, in
the Painted Chamber, as is desired.
Lords to report the Conference.
The Lord Privy Seal,
Earl of Bath,
Earl of Warwicke,
Earl of Bristoll,
Lord Viscount Say & Seale, and
The Lord Bishop of Lincolne,
Were appointed to report the Conference.
The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the
Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the
House was resumed; and the Earl of Bath reported:
Conference reported.
That, at this Conference, the House of Commons
gave their Lordships Thanks, for joining with them
humbly to petition His Majesty for deferring His
Journey to Scotland for Fourteen Days.
Propositions to the Scots Commissioners concerning the Stay of the King's Journey.
And, to the End that this may be no Prejudice to
the Parliament of Scotland, the House of Commons
desires, That some of the Lords Commissioners may
acquaint the Scotts Commissioners with these Particulars following, and desire their Answer:
"1. That the Houses of Parliament have commanded
them to express to the Scotts Commissioners the great
Care that they have to keepa good Correspondency
betwixt the Two Nations of England
(fn. *) and Scotland,
and to take away the Objections which may be made
in Respect of the public Engagement to submit to His
Majesty's Pleasure in His present intended Journey into
Scotland.
"That they take Notice of the often Meeting and
Adjournment of the Parliament of Scotland; and,
lest it might be a great Inconvenience, the States
being now met there, if they should stay long there
together without doing any Thing, both the Houses
of Parliament have Resolved, That (for the better Satisfaction of the Parliament of Scotland) they will
humbly petition His Majesty to send a Commissioner
to Edenborough, that, if there be pressing Occasions to
dispatch any of their public Affairs, there may be Authority for the same; and, if they think good to stay
His Majesty's coming to them in Person, the Houses of
Parliament do hope that will be (fn. †) within Fourteen
Days of that Time wherein His Majesty was expected
there; and they shall take their Consent hereunto as a
great Argument of their Affections to this Kingdom.
"That the Houses likewise do intend to send Commissioners from hence to the Scottish Parliament, to
declare to them the great Reasons which moves them
to petition His Majesty's Stay for Fourteen Days,
which are such as do very much import the Peace
and Safety of both Kingdoms; as also their Care to
move His most Excellent Majesty to send His Commissioner, that the Parliament of Scotland may not be disappointed in respect of the Dispatch of their own great
(fn. ‡) Affairs in that Kingdom in the mean Time.
"And lastly, That the Houses do desire the Scottish
Commissioners, in a free and friendly Manner, to declare to them, whether they have lately received any
Instructions from the Parliament of Scotland to press
His Majesty's present Repair thither in Person, at the
Parliament, the 17th Day of this present August."
Committee to deliver these Propositions to the Scots Commissioners, and receive their Answer.
Hereupon,
The Earl of Warwicke,
Viscount Say & Seale,
The Lord Wharton,
The Lord Kymbolton, and
The Lord Savill,
Were appointed presently to go to the Scotts Commissioners, and desire, from both Houses, their
Answer hereunto in Writing.
Declaration of the Reasons for sitting To-day to be communicated to the H. C.
Then the Lord Privy (fn. §) Seal reported the Declaration,
which the Lords Committees drew up, concerning the
Reasons why the Parliament sat this Day; which being
read, was approved, and it was Resolved it should be
communicated to the House of Commons, at a Conference, for their Approbation likewise.
Message from the H. C. to send a Committee to the King, to know when His Majesty will be attended by both Houses, about the Stay of His Journey.
A Message was sent from the House of Commons, by
the Lord of Faulkland:
To desire this House to send some Lords to the King,
to know what Time He will please to appoint both Houses
to attend Him, to petition that His Majesty would defer
His Journey to Scotland for Fourteen Days.
The Answer hereunto returned was:
Answer.
That this House have appointed already some Lords to
wait on His Majesty accordingly.
Message to the H. C. that the Lords agree to the Matter of the last Conference.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Sir Robert Rich and Sir Edward Leech:
To let them know, that this House hath agreed to
the Matter of the last Conference, and have sent some
Lords to the Scotts Commissioners.
And for a Conference about the Declaration of the Reasons for sitting To-day.
Also to desire a present Conference, by a Committee
of both Houses, concerning a Declaration touching the
Houses sitting this (fn. ||) Day.
Committee to draw up an Answer to the King for the Stay of His Journey.
These Lords were appointed to withdraw, and consider
of such Heads as were fit to be delivered by the Speaker
of this House to His Majesty, in the Name of both
Houses, concerning the deferring of the Time of the
King's Journey to Scotland; and to present them to this
House.
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The L. Privy Seal.
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Both Houses to attend the King P. M.
Then the Lord Chamberlain reported to the House,
That the Lords have attended the King; and His Majesty
hath appointed both Houses to wait on Him at Four a
Clock this Afternoon, in The Banqueting House, at Whitehall.
Message to the H. C. to acquaint them with it.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Justice Foster and Justice Heath:
To let them know His Majesty's Answer as aforesaid.
Justice Reeves Leave to go the Circuit.
Ordered, That Justice Reeves hath Leave to prepare himself for his Circuit against Tuesday next, and to
be excused for his Absence in the Interim; and, after
the Circuit is ended, he hath Leave to go into his own
Country, till the Beginning of Michaelmas Term next.
House to meet before they go to the King.
Ordered, That this House do sit in the Afternoon,
before both Houses wait on the King at Whitehall; and
afterwards the Lords are to return hither again.
Answer from the H. C. for a Conference about the Declaration of the Reasons for sitting To-day.
The Answer which the House of Commons returned to
the Message was:
That they will give a present Meeting, as is desired,
in the Painted Chamber, touching the Declaration.
The Lord Privy Seal is appointed to acquaint the
House of Commons at this Conference, with the Declaration why both Houses of Parliament sit this Lord's-day.
Conference reported.
The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the
Lords went to the Conference; which being ended,
the House was resumed, and the Lord Privy Seal reported, "That he had delivered at the Conference the
Declaration, as he was directed by this House."
Adjourn.
Dominus Capitalis Justiciarius de Communi Banco,
Locum tenens Domini Custodis Magni Sigilli, declaravit
præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in post
meridiem hujus instantis diei, hora 3a, Dominis sic decernentibus.
Post meridiem.
PRAYERS.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Sir John Culpepper:
Message from the H. C. that they agree to the Declaration of the Reasons for sitting this Day.
To let their Lordships know, that the House of Commons have unanimously consented (upon the Vote, nemine
contradicente) to the pious Declaration made this Day,
concerning the Reasons for the Houses of Parliament
sitting this Lord's-day; that they have entered it into
their Journal, and desire it may be voted and entered
here likewise; and that it be printed speedily, and
published, to remain to Posterity upon what Grounds
and Reasons both Houses sat this Day.
Then the Declaration was read, in hæc verba: videlicet,
Declaration concerning sitting on the Lord's-day.
"Whereas both Houses, upon the Eighth Day of
August 1641, being the Lord's-day, for many urgent
and unexpected Occasions concerning the Safety of
the Kingdom, and being so streightened in Time by
Reason of His Majesty's Resolution to begin His Journey towards Scotland on Monday following, early in
the Morning, it was not possible so to settle and order
the Affairs of the Kingdom, either for the Government thereof in the King's Absence, or for the present Safety, as was requisite upon those pressing Necessities; though the Houses thought it necessary to
sit, yet the Lords and Commons now assembled in
Parliament think it meet to declare, That they would
not have done this but upon inevitable Necessity,
the Peace and Safety both of Church and State being
so deeply concerned; which they do hereby declare,
to the End that neither any other Inferior Court, or
Council, or any other Person, may draw this into Example, or make Use of it for their Encouragement in
neglecting the due Observation of the Lord's-day."
Resolved, upon the Question, nemine contradicente,
That this Declaration, which hath been voted by the
House of Commons nemine contradicente, and entered
into their Journal Book, shall likewise be entered into
the Journal Book of this House, that it remain to all
Posterity what were the true Reasons and Grounds why
this House and the House of Commons sat in Parliament
upon the Lord's-day.
Resolved, upon the Question, nemine contradicente,
This Declaration to be printed.
That this Declaration, which hath been voted by this
House and the House of Commons, shall be printed,
for the Satisfaction to all Posterity of the true Reasons
which moved both Houses of Parliament to sit upon this
Day, being the Lord's-day.
Answer returned to the House of Commons was:
Answer to the H. C. about it.
That this House hath voted, nemine contradicente, the
entering the Declaration into the Journal Book of this
House, and the printing and publishing of the same.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Mr. Nath. Fynes:
Message from the H. C. to sit after both Houses have waited on the King.
To let their Lordships know, that they intend to sit
after they have waited on the King at Whitehall; and
the House of Commons desires that this House would sit
likewise, for there may be some Occasion of Conference.
The Answer returned was:
Answer.
That this House will sit, as is desired.
Ld. Keeper to deliver to the King the Four Reasons from the H. C. for deferring His Journey.
The Lord Privy Seal reported, "That the Lords
Committees are of Opinion, That the Lord Keeper do
deliver to His Majesty, from both Houses, only the
Four Reasons which came from the House of Commons
concerning the deferring of His Majesty's Journey;"
and the Reasons being read, this House Ordered the
same accordingly.
Committee delivered the Prepositions to the Scots Commissioners.
The Lords that went to the Scottish Commissioners reported, "That they had delivered the Propositions in
Writing unto them; and they have promised to return an Answer thereunto in Writing."
House attends the King.
Then the House was adjourned until Six a Clock this
Afternoon; and then the Lords went to Whitehall, to
attend the King in The Banqueting House.
Report of the Reasons delivered to the King, for Stay of His Journey.
The Lords being returned, the House being resumed;
the Lord Keeper reported, "That he had delivered
the Reasons to the King, in the Name of both Houses,
concerning the staying of His Majesty's Journey into
Scotland for Fourteen Days; and His Majesty returns
this Answer:
His Majesty's Answer.
"That the Importance of your Desires would require
some Time of Deliberation, if the urgent Necessity of
the Business did not press the contrary; and His Majesty said, the same Necessity teacheth him what to
answer. The Necessity is Two-fold:
"1. The First and chiefest, His public Faith given to
His Kingdom, to be present at the Parliament; and
His Majesty said, That never any Prince was more
strictly bound in Honour to perform any Thing than
He was to do this.
"2. The Urgency of His Majesty's Affairs there,
which indeed (He said) very great.
"To comply with both which, He can stay no longer
than Tuesday; and so long He thought fit to stay, that
the Gentlemen of the House of Commons may so hasten
the Scottish Treaty, that He may give His Royal Assent
thereunto some Time To-morrow, for otherwise His
Majesty shall be forced to pass it by that Commission
which He leaves behind Him; but the earnest Desire
His Majesty hath of passing this important Bill Personally makes Him stay thus long, which He knows
will be inconvenient unto Him.
"To conclude, His Majesty desires your Lordships
to remember, that, upon your Desires, He hath already stayed One Month; and that you, by public
Promise, are engaged not to urge His Stay longer
than To-morrow; therefore, remembering all Engagements, His Majesty expects that ye press Him no
more in this; for (His Majesty said) indeed He must
go; and for the Government of the Kingdom, He
hopes He shall leave behind Him such Commissions as
will serve, especially since the Parliament is sitting."
After this a Message was brought from the House of
Commons, by Mr. Hollis:
Message from the H. C. that the Lords will send them the Answer of the Scots Commissioners to the Propositions for the King's Journey, as soon as they receive it.
To desire that, as soon as their Lordships shall receive
the Answer of the Scottish Commissioners to the Propositions sent them this Morning, that it may be communicated unto them; and further, to desire their Lordships would be pleased to sit the longer this Evening, because of the extraordinary Affairs at this Time, in regard
there may be some Occasion of a Conference upon the
Receipt of the Answer from the Scottish Commissioners.
The Answer hereunto returned was:
Answer.
That their Lordships have not yet received any Answer from the Scottish Commissioners, but do expect it
speedily; and, as soon as it comes, it shall be returned
to them; and further, that their Lordships do intend to
sit this Evening, as they desire.
Then
Committee to hasten the Answer of the Scots Commissioners.
The Lord Chamberlain,
Earl of Bristoll,
Earl of Berks, &
The Lord Brooke,
Were appointed to go and see whether they could
find the Scottish Commissioners, and to hasten
them to send their Answer, which was presently
returned by the aforesaid Lords, and read in
these Words: videlicet,
Answer of the Scots Commissioners about saying the King's Journey to Scotland.
"As we are very sensible of the great Care the Houses
of Parliament have to keep a good Correspondency
betwixt the Two Nations, and the Sense they have of
the manifold Inconveniencies which Scotland doth
sustain by their frequent Meeting and Adjournment of
the Parliament; so we know nothing which can more
conduce for conserving that Correspondency, and for
removing these manifold Prejudices we sustain through
the frequent Prorogation of our Parliament, than
that the Treaty of Peace (which, by the Blessing
of God, and His Majesty's and the Parliament's
Wisdom is now brought to a Close) may, as a
sovereign Remedy of the great Evils which trouble
both Kingdoms, without further Delay be enacted
here, for the Peace and Safety of both Kingdoms,
that the same may with all Speed be ratified in the
Parliament of Scotland. His Majesty hath, by several Letters, promised to hold the Parliament of
Scotland in His own Royal Person, and hath intimated the same by public Proclamation to all His
Subjects there; and although His Majesty, by His
Royal Letter of the 18th of May, was obliged to
have holden the Parliament of Scotland upon the
Fifteenth of July last in His own Royal Person; or,
if any unexpected Occasion should happen to detain
Him, that He would appoint a Commissioner, for
holding thereof at the Day aforesaid, to do every
Thing which might conduce for the establishing of the
true Religion Laws, and Liberties of their Kingdom; yet such is the Affection and Respect of the
Parliament of Scotland to the Parliament of England,
as, notwithstanding their many pressing Difficulties,
they have condescended that His Majesty stay His
Journey into Scotland until the 10th Day of August, in
respect of the Parliament of England did assent to His
Majesty's going at that Time, which the Parliament
of Scotland doth expect without any further Delay.
"What may be the Condition or Importment of
Affairs here, or what Reason the Parliament hath
which moveth them to petition His Majesty's Stay,
is not proper for us; we will therefore forbear to
shew ourselves beyond our Line, but do remit the
Consideration of this to the King and the Parliament's Wisdom.
"And finally, where it is desired by the Houses that
we would, in a friendly and free Manner, declare
unto them, whether we have lately received any Instructions from the Parliament of Scotland, to press
His Majesty's Repair thither in Person, we do conceive, That His Majesty's former Promises of going
thither in His own Person upon the Tenth of August,
and the Assent of both Houses to His Journey, and
the Resolution of the Parliament of Scotland to prepare their Business till the Seventeenth of August,
and after that Time that they will conclude and
pass such Acts as they conceive necessary for the
Good of the Kingdom, a sufficient Instruction for us,
both to press and expect His Majesty's going against
that Time; and the pressing Necessity of the Affairs of that Kingdom is such as cannot, without
Danger of irreparable Loss, suffer longer Delay."
This being read; a Conference was resolved of, to
communicate this Answer to the House of Commons.
Message to the H. C. for a Conference, to communicate the Answer of the Scots Commissioners.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Sir Robert Rich and Sir Edward Leech:
To desire a present Conference, by a Committee of
both Houses, touching the Scotts Answer.
Answer returned from the House of Commons
was:
Answer.
That they will give a Meeting in the Painted Chamber, presently, as is desired.
The Lord Viscount Say & Seale was appointed to
deliver to the House of Commons, at this Conference,
the Paper containing the Scotts Answer.
Conference reported.
The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the
Lords went to the Conference; which being ended,
the House was resumed; and the Lord Viscount Say
& Seale reported, "That he had delivered the Paper
to the House of Commons at this Conference."
Adjourn.
Dominus Custos Magni Sigilli declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem Lunæ, videlicet, 9m diem instantis Augusti, hora 9a, Dominis
sic decernentibus.