DIE Jovis, videlicet, 11 die Novembris.
PRAYERS.
Letter from Ireland for Aid.
A Letter was read, sent from the Council in Ireland,
to the Lord Keeper, dated the 5th of November; shewing, "That the Protestants there will be utterly destroyed, and that Kingdom lost from the Crown of
England, if present Supply of Men, Munition, and
Money, be not sent them from hence."
Hereupon the House Resolved, To communicate this
Letter to the House of Commons, at a Conference,
To this Purpose, a Message was sent to the House of
Commons, by Sir Robert Rich and Sir Edward Leech:
Message from the H. C. for a Conference to communicate this Letter.
To desire a Conference, by a Committee of both
Houses, touching a Letter lately received from the Council of Ireland, concerning the Rebellion there.
Mr. Oneal to be examined.
Pleads the Act of Oblivion.
It was signified to this House, "That Mr. Oneale,
being appointed to be examined before the deputed
Lords, concerning ill Counsel which was given to the
King's late Army in the North, he desired, before
he were examined of his supposed Crime, that he
might have the Judgement of the House of Lords, and
the Resolution of the House of Commons, whether the
Act passed concerning an Act of Oblivion and Pacification do not interpose, and exempt him from being questioned for the supposed Crime, whether it be Civil
or Criminal; this he doth not plead as a Pardon,
which would imply a Crime, which he is not guilty
of, but as his own Sense of that Act."
The Act of Oblivion was read; and afterwards the
Lords Commissioners (that were present) did aver, "That,
in their Treaty with the Scotts Commissioners, they
never intended the said Act should extend further than
to Things past between the Two Kingdoms of England
and Scotland, in Matters of Hostility, and Things
thereunto belonging, and not to Things to come."
This House to interpret Laws during the Parliament.
For further debating hereof, this House was adjourned into a Committee during Pleasure; and the
House being resumed, it was Resolved, upon the Question, nemine contradicente, and hereby declared, That
it belongs to this House of Peers, by the ancient Laws
and Constitutions of this Kingdom, to interpret Acts of
Parliament, in Time of Parliament, in any Cause that
shall be brought before them.
Mr. Oneal to be examined.
And it (fn. *) was likewise Ordered, That Mr. Oneale
shall be examined by the deputed Lords appointed for
that Purpose, notwithstanding his Allegation.
Letters from Ireland.
The Lord Lieutenant of Ireland acquainted the House,
"That he had received a Packet of Letters from
Ireland." The House hereupon appointed his Lordship to retire himself, and peruse the Letters, and communicate such to the House as he thought material to the
Affairs of Ireland: Which his Lordship did accordingly.
Rioters in Windsor Forest and Egham Walk rescued.
Upon Information given this Day to this House,
"That certain Persons of Egham were apprehended,
by Order of this House, for killing the King's Deer,
and committing Riots, in the Forest of Windsor and
Egham Walk, and, being in the Custody of the
Messenger, were rescued (fn. *) out of his Hands, by the
Violence of some of their Companions:" Hereupon
it is Ordered, That a Warrant be sent to the Sheriff
of Surrey, to assist the Messenger of this House, for the
apprehending of the former Delinquents, and of such
Persons that rescued them out of the Messengers Hands;
and that they be brought before this House, that they
may receive Punishment according to their Deserts.
The Messengers return with this Answer:
Answer from the H. C.
That the House of Commons will give a Meeting presently, as is desired, in the Painted Chamber.
Conference about the Letter from Ireland for Aid reported.
Then this House was adjourned during Pleasure, and
the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended,
the House was resumed; and the Lord Keeper reported,
"That he had delivered the Letter to the House of
Commons, having first read it."
Letter from the Council of Ireland.
The Lord Lieutenant of Ireland presented a Letter to
this House, sent from the Council of Ireland to the
Council here in (fn. †) England, dated the 5th of November
1641, shewing "That the Rebels there do proceed in
their Rebellion, and have seized on the Houses,
Estates, and Persons, of divers Men and Women of
good Quality, and have murdered many; that they
are, in several Parts of Ireland, gathered to the
Number of Thirty Thousand, and threaten that they
will not leave an English Protestant there; and that
they will not lay down their Arms, until an Act of
Parliament be passed for Freedom of their Religion;
that the Council desires that they may be speedily
supplied with Ten Thousand Men and Arms, and One
Hundred Thousand Pounds in Money; and they offer
it to their Lordships Consideration, whether it be not
fit and convenient that Magwire and M'Mahowne be
sent into England, for their better Security, &c."
Which Letter being read, this House thought it fit
to be comunicated to the House of Commons presently.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Mr. Baron Henden and Mr. Justice Malett:
Message to H. C. for a Conference about these Letters.
To desire a Conference, by a Committee of both
Houses, touching Letters come from the Council of Ireland to the Lords of the Council here, being of great
Haste and Importance.
The Messengers return with this Answer.
Answer.
That the House of Commons will give a present Meeting, as is desired, in the Painted Chamber.
Conference reported.
The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the
Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the
House was resumed; and the Lord Keeper reported,
"That he had read the Letter at the Conference, and
delivered the same unto them."
Instructions to be sent to the Committee in Scotland.
After this, the House Resolved, To have a Conference with the House of Commons, touching the Instructions which are to be sent to the Committees in
Scotland; and to let them know, that this House agrees
to the Six First Instructions; that, for the rest, they
have been taken into Debate; but, in regard they
are of great Consequence, and will require some Time
of Consideration, and for that the State and Affairs of
Ireland presseth a present Resolution, their Lordships
have therefore thought fit to return an Answer to the
Six First Articles, which immediately concern the Safety
of that Kingdom; and the rest their Lordships do leave
to a further Time.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Sir Robert Rich and Sir Edward Leech:
Message to the H. C. for a Conference about them.
To desire a present Conference (if it may stand with
their Conveniency), by a Committee of both Houses,
touching the Instructions which are to be sent into Scotland, to the Committees there.
Committee for Gun-powder and Salt-petre.
Ordered, That the Committee to consider of the
making of good Gun-powder, and preserving of Saltpetre Mines, do meet on Saturday Morning next, at
Nine a Clock; at which Time the Officers of the Ordnance and the Salt-petre Men do attend; and the King's
Counsel to be present, for to prepare Heads for the
drawing up of a Bill.
Ordered, That the Earl of Nottingham, Lord
Newneham, and the Lord Grey de Warke, be added to
the Committee for Powder.
The Messengers return with this Answer:
Answer from the H. C.
That the House of Commons will return a present
Answer, by Messengers of their own.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Sir Henry Vane, Knight, Junior:
Message from thence for this Conference, and about the Irish Affairs.
To let their Lordships know, that the House of Commons are ready to give their Lordships a Meeting,
touching the Instructions which are to be sent into Scotland; and that the House of Commons desires a Free
Conference, at the same Time, touching the Affairs of
Ireland.
The Answer hereunto returned was:
Answer.
That their Lordships will give a present Meeting,
touching the Two Particulars, as is desired, in the Painted
Chamber.
Conference reported.
Propositions from the Commons.
Letters from Ireland to be imparted to London.
The House was adjourned during Pleasure; and the
Lords returning from the Conference, the House was
resumed. The Lord Keeper reported, "That he had
delivered their Lordships Answer touching the Instructions." And next reported, "That the House
of Commons desires the Letters read this Day, sent
from Ireland, to the Lords of the Council, may be
communicated to the City of London, to let (fn. *) them
see the Truth of the Affairs of Ireland, that so they
may be the better stirred up, and induced to lend Monies, for the present Supply of the Business of Ireland;
and, to this Purpose, the House of Commons will
employ some Members of their own."
Which Proposition this House agreed to.
Aid for Ireland.
"2. Next, that, in regard of the present urgent Occasions of Ireland, the House of Commons thinks it
fit the Six Thousand Men, which both Houses resolved should be sent into Ireland out of England, shall
be increased to the Number of Ten Thousand Men and
Two Thousand Horse."
Which this House agreed to.
Aid from Scotland.
"3. That the House of Commons had voted, To
desire the Assistance of our Brethren in Scotland,
against Ireland, for Ten Thousand Men, not presently
to be sent, but at such Times, and in such Manner,
as shall be agreed upon by Articles and Conditions of
both Parliaments, according to future Occasions."
And it was Resolved, upon the Question, That this
House shall desire the Aid of our Brethren of Scotland
for One Thousand Scotts, for the present, to be sent
over into Ireland, with an Intimation of a Desire of Nine
Thousand Men more, to make up Ten Thousand Men
(if Occasion be), according to such Articles as shall be
agreed upon by the Parliament of England.
Answer to these Propositions.
The House of Commons staying for an Answer in the
Painted Chamber, the Lord Keeper was appointed to
let them know the aforesaid Agreements and Resolution
to their Propositions.
The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the
Lords went into the Painted Chamber, to the House of
Commons. The House being resumed;
Adjourn.
Dominus Custos Magni Sigilli, declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem crastinum,
videlicet, diem Veneris, 12m instantis Novembris, hora 11a
Aurora, Dominis sic decernentibus.