DIE Martis, videlicet, 21 die Decembris.
Bp. of Rochester excused.
The Bishop of Rochester was excused for being absent.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Sir Phillip Stapleton, Knight:
Message from the H. C. about the State of Ireland.
That the House of Commons last Night had laid before their Lordships the miserable Estate of the Kingdom of Ireland, and desired their Lordships to take the
Business into speedy Consideration: Since, the House of
Commons understand that Dublin is in great Danger to
be lost, Six Hundred Men being cut off by the Rebels,
in going to relieve Treda: The House of Commons desires that all Ways may be used for the Preservation of
that Kingdom; and they conceive the best Way to save
Dublin is, by Way of Diversion, to send the Scotts
speedily into the Province of Ulster; therefore (the
Scotts Commissioners being to send away into Scotland
To-morrow Morning) the House of Commons desires
their Lordships would join with them in the Propositions
received from the Scotts Commissioners, that so Men
may be sent into Ireland
(fn. *) speedily. The House of
Commons having done this, they do declare that, if
there † be any Omission, they desire to clear themselves
of any Thing as may fall upon Ireland.
The Answer returned hereunto for the present was:
That the House is not now full; but, as soon as it
is, they will take the Matter of their Message into Consideration.
Ld. Bruce excused.
The Lord Bruse was excused for his Absence.
Propositions of the Commons, touching the Parliament of Ireland.
The Lord Kymbolton reported to this House the Two
Propositions delivered this Day to the Lords Committees, by the Committee of the House of Commons.
"The First Proposition was:
"That the Parliament of Ireland may be prorogued,
or adjourned; and that for these Reasons:
"1. Because the Protestants cannot come without
Danger; the Papists may.
"2. To resort to Dublin, may make Scarcity of Victuals.
"3. The coming of many Papists with their Followers may endanger the Surprize of the Castle.
"That the Parliament may not meet to do any Act,
as they did before the dissolving of the Parliament, is thought to be the safest.
"The Second Proposition is:
"They are informed that, by the Law of Ireland, if
the Deputy should die, the Lords may choose their
own Governor; therefore the House of Commons
desire, that some settled Commission may be (in case
the Deputy miscarry by Death) that may appoint
who shall be Governor."
Scots Commissioners Answer, concerning their Propositions.
The Lords Commissioners reported, "That, according to their Lordships Directions, they had acquainted
the Scotts Commissioners, that this House had taken
into Consideration their Propositions, and desired them
to stay their Messengers as long as they could: But
they return this Answer, That they have been here
a great while, and the Treaty hath been a Fortnight
on Foot, and they have received yet no Answer;
those that sent them in Scotland expected to hear from
them before this Time, because they have Five and
Twenty Hundred Men, which lie upon them in Pay,
which were to have been continued no longer than
the 8th of this Month; therefore they desire an Answer this Night (for longer than this Night they
could not stay) to their Propositions; else they must
send into Scotland, to disband the Five and Twenty
Upon this, the House was adjourned into a Committee during Pleasure, to debate the Scotts First Proposition, concerning the Ten Thousand Scotts to be sent
out of Scotland into Ireland.
The Proposition was read, and the Resolution of the
House of Commons therein; and, after much Debate,
the House was resumed; and it was agreed, That Ten
Thousand Scotts should go into Ireland, if it may be ascertained that Ten Thousand Englishmen may speedily
be sent likewise.
To this Purpose, it was Resolved to have a Conference
with the House of Commons; and these Two following
Propositions should be propounded to the House of
Commons at the Conference:
Propositions to the H. C. about Ten Thousand Scots, and as many English, to go to Ireland.
"1. To desire to know what Certainty that House
will give this, that, if their Proposition concerning
the present going of Ten Thousand Scotts into Ireland
be agreed unto, that Ten Thousand English may
"2. Whether they will concur with this House, and
vote in their House, That Ten Thousand shall go
as well as Ten Thousand Scotts; and that the King
be moved to give Assent thereunto."
Message to the H. C. for a Conference, about Irish Affairs.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Sir Robert Rich and Mr. Page:
To desire a Conference, by a Committee of both
Houses, touching the Irish Affairs.
Committee for Gunpowder.
Ordered, That the Committee for Gunpowder do
meet on Tuesday next, at Three a Clock in the Afternoon, in the Painted Chamber.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Denzill Hollis:
Message from the H. C. to consider the wretched State of Ireland.
That the House of Commons had lately attended their
Lordships, to desire them to concur with them in their
Desires concerning the lamentable Condition of the
Kingdom of Ireland; and that their Lordships would
be pleased to take some speedy Resolutions therein.
Also he said, "He was commanded to present to their
Lordships a Petition presented to the House of Commons from the Lords and divers Gentlemen of Ireland now in London, which the House of Commons
desire their Lordships would be pleased to take into
speedy Consideration; for the House of Commons
say, they can think of nothing but Ireland, nor speak
nothing but Ireland."
Then the Petition was read, in hæc verba: videlicet,
"The humble Petition of divers Lords and Gentlemen of Ireland, now in London.
"To the Honourable House of Commons.
Petition of Lords and Gentlemen of Ireland, now in London.
"Humbly Shewing, That your Petitioners have received many and particular Advertisements, from all
Parts of the Kingdom of Ireland, which set forth the
universal Desolations made in such Plantations of the
British, both English and Scotch, wheresoever the
barbarous Irish Rebels have come, to the utter Destruction both of the Persons there inhabiting, and
extirpating of the Reformed Protestant Religion there
set up, through the Royal Care and Piety of King
James of Blessed Memory, and His Majesty that now
is, and preserved, by the great Industry and pious
Endeavours of near Forty Years Travail, by those
who have spent their whole Lives in reducing that
Kingdom to Civility, which is now utterly desolated
by the Proceedings that have been found so matchlessly cruel, that no Age nor Story can parallel their
Inhumanities, some whereof, your Petitioners are informed, have been touched upon by Advertisements
already brought to this Honourable House, whereof there is so great Variety that Volumes were
but little enough to contain the Particulars; many
Thousands of Men, Women, and Children, lying mangled on the Face of the Earth, crying loud to God
and these Neighbour Kingdoms for Relief against
those Monsters, whose Conspiracy is now so universal,
that small Aids will be not only inconsiderable to effect the Work, but a Means to lengthen the War,
with the Loss not only of the Treasure applied therein, but also of the Persons employed, who, being
but few, will be in Danger to be given up to the Cruelties of the Rebels; by that Means (which God
prevent) will they gain not only great Access to their
Number, but (which is more considerable) that Experience in War, and Use of Arms, as may render
them infinitely more able to make Resistance against
your hereafter Supplies. These Particulars your
Petitioners, out of the deep Sense they have of the
Calamities incumbent to that and in Danger to fall
on this Kingdom, with all Humility crave Leave to
present, most humbly desiring that, in Pursuance of
the Zeal and Fervency already shewn to the Glory
and Worship of God, to the Honour and Renown of
His most Excellent Majesty (both which are now
strongly assaulted and pushed at), and out of the tender Commiseration already expressed for Relief of
that bleeding Kingdom, that this Honourable Assembly will represent such prevalent Arguments unto His
Sacred Majesty and the House of Peers, that the Ten
Thousand Men tendered by the Kingdom of Scotland,
and accepted of by this Honourable Assembly, may
be speedily ordered to resort into Ulster; not but
that we do desire there may be as great a Proportion
of Soldiers sent out of this Kingdom as soon as they
can be prepared, if so it may please His Majesty and
both Houses of Parliament, the Contagion of Rebellion in Ireland having spread itself over so many other
Parts of the Kingdom, and yet daily more and more
increasing, as will require the Service of those who
shall be sent out of England, for the Subdual of the
Rebels, and Comfort of His Majesty's good Subjects
in the other Provinces. But forasmuch as your Petitioners, many of them whose whole Estates, and some
of whose Wives, Children, and nearest Kindred and
Friends, are already in the Hands and Possession of
those barbarous, bloody Rebels of Ulster, and that
they have more than ordinary Cause to fear that the
remaining Protestant Party, together with the important Towns of Carrickfargus, Londonderry, and Colrane, being the chief Bulwarks and Fortresses of that
Province, may, for Want of speediest Relief, be surprized and destroyed, and by that Means the rest of
the Kingdom extremely endangered, to the irreparable Damage and Discomfort of His Majesty and all
His good and loyal Subjects of all His Dominions;
therefore your Petitioners do most instantly supplicate this Honourable Assembly, to endeavour the
hastening thither with all possible Expediment the Ten
Thousand Men out of Scotland, whose Assistance, being within Three Hours Sail, may be soonest convoyed, and whose Constitutions will notably match with
the Rebels, being well able (as many of these Petitioners have known by former Experience) to follow
them through the Bogs and Moorish Places, frequent
in those Parts during this Winter Season, which other
Supplies possibly may not be so fit for at present. This
Number, added to those raised, and to be raised, in
those Parts (through God's Blessing), may soon check
these Insolencies, and contribute much for reducing
that Kingdom to due Obedience, and yield unspeakable Comfort and Relief to many Thousand disconsolate, bleeding Protestant Souls, who have long languished in Expectation of Aid from that and this Kingdom;
the longer retarding whereof will carry loud Cries to
Heaven against those who cause the same. And
your Petitioners shall pray, &c.
Theo. (fn. *) Dowcra,
| Ro. Digby,
"The humble Answer of Inigo Jones, Esquire, Surveyor of His Majesty's Works, to the Declaration of
the Commons, upon the Complaint, and in the Behalf, of the Parishioners of the Parish of St. Gregories, London.
Inigo Jones's Answer to the Impeachment against him.
"At which Day the said Inigo Jones, Esquire, appeared before the Lords in Parliament; and [ (fn. *) it being] demanded what he could say in Answer to the
Declaration brought up from the House of Commons
against him, he the said Inigo Jones, for Answer
thereunto, saith, That he is not guilty of the Offence
charged in the said Declaration, in such Manner and
Form as therein is expressed."
Ordered, That the Cause of Inigo Jones shall be
heard in this House on Friday come Fortnight; and the
Parishioners of St. Gregories are to have Notice hereof,
and to bring in their Witnesses to make good the
The Messengers return with this Answer from the
House of Commons:
Answer from the H. C.
That they will give a present Meeting, as is desired,
in the Painted Chamber.
Lords to go to the Abby To-morrow, being the Fast.
Ordered, That the Lords do meet here in this
House To-morrow Morning, at Nine of the Clock, and
go to the Abbey of Westm. to keep the Fast.
Sir W. Boughton's, and Williamson's Answer.
This Day the several Answers of Sir William Boughton, Baronet, and Williamson, were delivered in
to this House, and received, and are to be taken into
Consideration when the Time is come for Private Business.
Committee for Religion.
Ordered, That the Committee for Religion do
meet on Wednesday come Sevennight.
The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the
Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the
House was resumed.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Hotham:
Message from the H. C. to sit a while.
To desire this House to sit a while, and the House of
Commons will come up to their Lordships about the Business of Ireland.
The Answer hereunto returned was:
That their Lordships will sit a while, as is desired.
The Irish Lords and Gentlemen, Petitioners to attend.
Ordered, That the Lords Committees for the Irish
Affairs do meet To-morrow Morning, at Nine of the
Clock, in the Painted Chamber; at which Time the
Lord Viscount Loftus, Robert Lord Digby, Lord Foliott,
Lord Dowcra, Lord Blany, Lord Mountnorris, Sir Faithfull Fortescue, Knight, Sir Robert Kinge, Edward Loftus,
Esquire, Tho. Fortescue, Esquire, Nicholas Loftus, Arthur
Jones, George Blundall, John Moore, Arthur Annasley,
Robert Whilstler, John Davis, Richard Fitz-gerrard, and
Richard Perkins, are to have Notice to attend the Lords
Committees, to hear what Reasons they can give concerning the putting off the Parliament of Ireland.
Bill for pressing.
Ordered, That the Bill for pressing of Soldiers shall
be debated on Thursday next.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Sir Tho. Barrington, Baronet:
Message from the H. C. for a Conference on the Irish Affairs.
To desire a Free Conference, by a Committee of both
Houses, touching the Matter of the late Conference.
The Answer returned was:
That their Lordships will give a present Meeting, as
is desired, in the Painted Chamber.
Conference on the Two Propositions of this House for sending 10,000 Scots, and as many English, to Ireland.
The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the
Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the
House was resumed; and the Lord Keeper reported the
Effect of this Conference, which was an Answer to their
Lordships Two Propositions, offered to the House of
Commons this Day:
"1. For the Certainty which their Lordships desire
of sending Ten Thousand English into Ireland, the
House of Commons say, that they were not used to
be capitulated withall; their Actions are free, as well
without Conditions as Capitulations; and the House
of Commons desire it may be so no more.
"2. The House of Commons think they have given
sufficient Certainty already, having formerly voted
the sending of Ten Thousand English into Ireland,
and transmitted the same to their Lordships, and
likewise sent the same into Ireland; therefore they
think it not necessary to vote it again, but to desire
their Lordships would vote the sending of Ten Thousand Scotts to Ireland by itself, without any Relation
to the Ten Thousand English, and that speedily, the
Safety of Ireland depending upon it."
Further it was reported, "That their Commissioners
have acquainted the House of Commons, that the
Scotts have now Two Thousand and Five Hundred
Men in Scotland, in Pay, and the Scotts Commissioners are to send into Scotland To-morrow Morning, to
give the Council of Scotland an Answer herein, that
so they may dispose of their Five and Twenty Hundred Men accordingly; therefore the House of Commons do desire their Lordships would resolve to send
Ten Thousand Scotts without any Relation to the Ten
Thousand English, for they conceive the Ten Thousand English cannot go unless the Bill for Pressing
The House was adjourned into a Committee during
Pleasure, to debate this Conference; and the House being resumed, it was Resolved, upon the Question, nemine contradicente,
10,000 English to Ireland.
That Ten Thousand English shall be sent into Ireland.
Resolved, upon the Question,
10,000 Scots to Ireland.
That Ten Thousand Scotts shall be sent into Ireland,
upon such Conditions as shall be agreed upon by the
Parliament in England.
Scots Commissioners to receive an Answer to their Propositions.
Ordered, That the Lords Commissioners do acquaint the Scotts Commissioners with the aforesaid Votes;
and to let them know, that this House hath entered into Consideration of their Propositions; and their Lordships will give them an Answer herein, with all Expedition.
Committee to preserve good Correspondency between both Houses.
Ordered, That the Committee for keeping of good
Correspondency between both Houses shall meet on
Friday Morning next, to take into Consideration this
last Message brought up from the House of Commons.
Commons acquainted with the Votes for Men to go to Ireland.
The House of Commons staying in the Painted Chamber for an Answer to the Message, the House was adjourned during Pleasure; and the Lords went to acquaint the House of Commons, that this House had
voted that Ten Thousand English and Ten Thousand
Scotts shall be sent into Ireland.
The House was resumed.
Dominus Custos Magni Sigilli declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem Jovis, videlicet, 23m diem instantis Decembris, hora 1a post meridiem, Dominis sic decernentibus.