DIE (fn. *) Martis, videlicet, 25 die Januarii.
Nettervill and Colonel Butler, in Custody at Chester, to be sent up from Sheriff to Sheriff.
Upon reading of a Letter this Day presented to the
House by the Lord Admiral, written to him from the
Mayor of the City of Chester; it is Ordered, That
Mr. Thomas Nethevill and Colonel Butler, being now in
Custody at West Chester, upon Suspicion touching the
present Rebellion in Ireland, and any others hereafter
that shall be apprehended there in the like Kind, shall,
by the Mayor and Sheriff of the County and City of
Chester, be delivered over unto the Sheriff of the County Palatine of Chester, and so from Sheriff to Sheriff,
until they shall be presented unto the Lords in Parliament; and that the several Sheriffs may defalk of their
Accounts to the King such Charges as they shall be at
in bringing up these Persons and all other Persons in the
Lord Digby's Waggon stayed, Twenty-second January 1641.
The Gentleman-usher gave this House an Account of
the staying of the Lord Digbie's Waggon, and delivered this Note following of such Things as were in the
said Waggon when it was stayed:
"In the Bottom of the Waggon Four Trunks locked,
of small Weight.
"Item, Thirty-eight Cases of Pistols.
"Item, Five great Saddles.
"Item, Twenty-five Padd Saddles.
"Item, Three small Barrels, which is conceived to
be Powder and Bullets.
"Item, Two Swords.
"The Waggon being staid at Mere, a Gentleman
came from Shurborne from the Earl of Bristoll's House,
and did voluntarily cause the said Waggon to be set
open, and the Things therein contained to be viewed.
"Isaack Thomas, Messenger.
Robt. Banister, Constable."
Message to the H. C. to acquaint them with it.
Ordered, That this Particular be communicated to
the House of Commons, which was sent down presently,
by Serjeant Whitfeild and Serjeant Fynch:
Appleton, etc. sent for, on the Earl of Warwick's Complaint.
Upon Complaint made to this House by the Earl of
Warwick, against Captain Appleton, Edward Cherry, and
Thomas Rand; it is Ordered, That they shall attend
this House forthwith, to answer such Things as they
shall be charged with; and that the Messenger that goes
for them takes Care that none speak with them by the
Way before they be brought to this House.
Hamond sent for, for printing a scandalous Pamphlet.
Information was given to this House, "That a scandalous and false Pamphlet was printed and published,
of a supposed Treason at Sherborne, the Earl of
Bristoll's House; and that the Printer's Name is John
Hamond:" Hereupon it is Ordered, That the said
John Hamond shall be presently sent for, to answer the
same to this House.
Next this House took into Consideration the Scotts
Propositions, and gave these Resolutions as follow:
The Answer to the Scots Propositions.
"To the First Proposition: This House agrees with
the House of Commons therein.
"To the Second Proposition: This House agrees with
the House of Commons therein.
"To the Third Proposition: This House agrees (in
regard of the Difficulty as will be now in raising
Horses in Ulster, the Enemies having lately so much
prevailed in that Province), that the English Commissioners do propound to the Scotts Commissioners, that
they would either accept of a Sum of Money, and
find themselves Horses, or else that the Horses might
be raised for them here in this Kingdom.
"To the Fourth Proposition: This House agrees with
the House of Commons therein.
"To the Fifth Proposition: This House agrees with
the House of Commons, that this Alteration be made
in this Article; videlicet, whereas it is said ["whereof
they shall from Time to Time give them an Account"]
that it be ["give an Account to the chief Governor of
the Kingdom of Ireland for the Time being"]. Also
this House agrees with the House of Commons, that
these Three Propositions in this Article be referred to
be new treated of: videlicet,
"1. Concerning such Towns and Places as shall be
recovered from the Rebels by the Scotts Army to be
at the disposing of the Scotts Commanders.
"2. Concerning the General of the Scotts Army being commanded by the English Commander in Chief.
"3. Concerning the Manner of their Marching, and
the rest of that Article.
"To the Sixth Article: This House agrees with the
House of Commons therein.
"To the Seventh Proposition: This House agrees
with the House of Commons, that this Proposition be
The Lords Commissioners are appointed to expedite
this Treaty with the Scotts Commissioners.
Captain Chichester, and others, for defending Ulster, to be recommended for Reward.
Memorandum, That it be recommended by this House
to the Irish Committee, and the English Commissioners
to propound it to the Scotch Commissioners, That those
Persons in Ulster, videlicet, Captain Arthur Chichester,
and others, that have hitherto defended their Country,
may be recommended to the Scotts Commissioners, and
the Lord Lieutenant; and to this Purpose a Proposition
to be drawn up.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Mr. Nath. Fynes:
Message from the H. C. about Two Thousand Five Hundred Scots,
"1. To desire their Lordships would send (fn. *) to the
King, humbly to desire His Majesty will be pleased to
give His Consent to the Propositions of the Scotts
Commissioners, (fn. *) to which both Houses agreed Yesterday, concerning the sending over to Carrickfergus the
Two Thousand Five Hundred presently.
and for delivering Carrickfergus to the Scots.
"2. That the King be moved, to give Warrant for
delivering up the Town and Castle of Carrickfergus
to the Scotts, according to the Treaty.
"3. To desire their Lordships would proceed in the
rest of the Scotts Propositions."
The Answer hereunto returned was:
That, concerning the First Part of the Message, their
Lordships have already taken Order in it.
Concerning the Second Part, their Lordships will
take speedy Order in it.
Touching the Third Part, their Lordships have already dispatched them.
Re-delivery of Carrickfergus to the English to be considered.
It was moved, "That some Articles may be agreed
upon with the Scotts Commissioners, for the Re-delivery of the Town and Castle of Carrickfergus to the
Crown of England, when the War is done."
Next, was read a Petition from the Mayor, Aldermen, and the rest of the Common Council of the City
of London, in bæc verba: videlicet,
Petition of the Mayor, Aldermen, and Common Council of London, for relieving Ireland, disarming Papists, etc.
"To the Right Honourable House of Peers now
assembled in Parliament.
"The humble Petition and Certificate of the
Mayor, Aldermen, and the rest of the Common Council of the City of London,
"That, in Obedience to an Order of this Honourable House, the Petitioners do humbly present a Certificate hereto annexed, importing, That the Continuance of Sir John Byron in the Office of Lieutenant of The Tower is the Cause of Forbearance of
bringing Bullion to the Mint; and, because that divers other Forts and Strength of this Kingdom, by
Land and Sea, are not placed in such Hands in whom
the Parliament may confide (with which and no other
this City, as the Petitioners humbly conceive, will rest
satisfied), and such Supplies have not been timely
sent unto Ireland with full Commissions, as were necessary to withstand and suppress the Power and Rage
of the Rebels there; but that the Kingdom is in great
Danger to be lost, and this Kingdom also very much
prejudiced and hazarded thereby, and all this by reason of the many sad and ominous Obstructions of
timely and wholesome Provisions of Parliament, so
often desired against these growing Evils, which
threaten the Destruction of all.
"That the Petitioners have already lent divers great
Sums of Money, at the Request of your Lordships
before the Parliament, and of the Parliament since
the calling thereof, beyond all Precedent, for the Service of the King and Kingdom (a great Part whereof
they were constrained to borrow, and cannot to this
Day re-pay, by reason that they are not yet reimbursed of the said Monies); and now they are further importuned, by a Committee of the Honourable House
of Commons, to lend an Hundred Thousand Pounds
more, for the Supplies of Ireland, which they are
neither able nor willing to do till they shall have received the Monies already lent, or that the Obstructions (which they shall speedily represent more at
large to that Honourable House, by Way of Answer
to their said last Request) be removed.
"Besides all which Pressures, under which they groan
and languish, they cannot but represent further to
your Lordships, that very many Thousands of Clothiers and Handicrafts-men, and their Families, who
have their Dependance for their Livelihood upon this
City, do daily more and more make sad Moans and
lamentable Cries that they are no Way able any longer
to subsist, because the Petitioners and others do not
buy of their Wares as formerly they did; that the
Petitioners cannot so do, till Trade be quickened by
the speedy Relief of Ireland, till Papists be fully
disarmed, and the Strength of the Kingdom by Land
and Sea put into the Hands of such as the Parliament
may confide in, through Want whereof the Trade of
the Kingdom is fallen to so low an Ebb that the Petitioners are not able longer to proceed therein as formerly; which necessitated Forbearance of Trade and
Scarcity of Money will (as they verily believe) in
very short Time cast innumerable Multitudes of
those poor Men into such a Depth of Poverty and
Extremity as will enforce them upon some dangerous
and desperate Attempts, not fit to be expressed, much
less to be justified; which they have held it their
Duty to intimate, and so to leave it to the Wisdom
of this most Honourable House to consider and prevent.
"The Petitioners humbly pray, that there may be
a speedy and effectual Course taken, for the
relieving of bleeding Ireland, for removing
all Distractions and Fears at Home, by disarming of Papists, by putting the Forts and
Strength of this Kingdom by Land and Sea
into safe Hands as the Parliament shall confide in, and by the speedy passing of Bills
conceived by the House of Commons, and
sent up to your Lordships, for the general
Good of the King and Kingdom, whereby the
former Course of Trade may be opened, and
the Petitioners enabled and encouraged to
take off the Wares, stop the Cries, and relieve
the Miseries, of so many Thousands of poor
People, that otherwise threaten too plainly the
Transgression of their Duties, in such dangerous Ways as may disturb the Public Peace, and
hazard the Honour and Safety of the King,
Parliament, and Kingdom.
"And they shall daily pray, etc.
"Commune Concilium tentum in Camera Guihald
Civitatis London, decimo nono die Januarii,
post meridiem ejusdem diei, 1641, annoque
Regni Regis Caroli Angliæ, etc. Decimo septimo.
Certificate that Sir Jo. Byron is the Cause of the Stay of Bullion from The Tower.
"The same Day was read here in Court an Order
of the Lords in Parliament, of the Fifteenth of this
January, "That the Common Council of the City of
London, the Merchants that have Estates in Bullion,
the Minters, and all others, shall be enquired of,
whether there be a Stay of the Mint, or a Forbearance of bringing in of (fn. *) Bullion into The Tower of
London; and, if there be, whether it proceeds in
respect of Sir John Byron's being Lieutenant of The
Tower; and thereof a speedy Certificate to be made
to the Lords in Parliament;" and, after Debate and
Consideration had in this Court touching the same being put to the Question, this Court declared, That
they are of Opinion, and are fully satisfied, that the
Forbearance of bringing in of Bullion into The Tower
is in regard Sir John Byron is Lieutenant of the
"Examinatur per Rob. Michel, Dep.
Com. Cler. Civitatis London."
Thanks given to the Petitioners.
The Aldermen and Common Councilmen that presented this Petition and Certificate were commanded to
withdraw; and the House, upon Consideration, having
resolved what Answer to return, they were called in
again; and the Lord Keeper, by the Direction of the
House, gave them this Answer: "That their Lordships do give them Thanks for their Care of Ireland,
and their speedy Advertisement concerning Trade;
for the rest of their Petition, their Lordships will
take it into a speedy Consideration."
Committee to put in Execution the Bill against Pirates.
Ordered, That these Lords following are appointed
Committees, to put in Execution the Act lately passed,
intituled, "An Act for the freeing of the Captives
at Aligier; and to prevent the taking of others:"
The Lord Admiral.
Their Lordships, or any Two, to meet with the
Committee of the House of Commons.
Thompson's Information of Arms sent to the Rebels in Ireland, from Nantz.
This House was informed, "That one Mr. Thompson,
a Merchant, had Notice that there was lately a Ship
sent from Nants, in France, laden with Arms for
Twelve Thousand Men, bound for the Relief of the
Rebels in Ireland:" Hereupon it is Ordered, That
the said Mr. Thompson shall have Notice to attend this
House To-morrow, to give Information herein.
The Earl of Salishbury signified to this House, "That
some Gentlemen of Hartfordshire were without, with
a Petition from the County, which they desired their
Lordships Leave to present (fn. *) to the House:" It was
Ordered they should be called in, which accordingly they were; and the Petition was commanded to be
read in their Presence, in bæc verba: videlicet,
"To the Right Honourable the House of Peers
now assembled in Parliament.
"The humble Petition of Knights, Gentlemen, Freeholders, and others, Inhabitants of the County
"That the Petitioners, having hitherto with much
Patience waited for, and with great Confidence expected, the happy Progress of this Parliament, and
therein the Removal of all those Grievances under
which they have a long Time groaned, and the perfect
Reformation of Church and Commonwealth, they
are now constrained to represent unto this Honourable
House the manifold Fears, Troubles, and Distractions,
wherewith they are compassed, arising from that hellish and bloody Rebellion in Ireland, acted by the Papists against our Brethren by Nation and Religion,
apparently threatening the Loss of that Kingdom,
the Extirpation of the Protestant Religion there, and
extreme Prejudice, if not utter Ruin, of this Kingdom, from the Want of timely and powerful Supplies
to suppress these Rebels, the not granting of ample
Commissions to those who have been ready to take up
Arms against them, the not passing the Act for impressing Soldiers to that Service, and the Delays in
Acceptance of the worthy Offer of the Scotch Nation
to send Ten Thousand Soldiers thither, from the Continuance of the Prelacy and Multitudes of erroneous
and scandalous Ministers in this Kingdom, the Insolency of the Papists, their being armed, the Want of
Execution of Justice against Priests and Jesuits already
condemned, and other notorious Delinquents; the
many desperate Plots and Designs attempted against
the Parliament and Kingdom by the Popish and Prelatical
Party; the great and unparalleled Breaches lately made
upon the Privileges of Parliament, endangering the
Overthrow of the very Being thereof, and the Destruction of divers of its Members, worthy Patriots
of their Country; the not Disclosing and Punishment
of those Persons who counseled the same, the Unpreparedness of the Sea Forts, and other Strength of
this Kingdom by Sea and Land, against any Invasion,
and the Continuance of divers of them in unsafe
Hands, wherein the Parliament (and in them the
whole Kingdom) cannot confide; the Delay of putting the Kingdom into a Posture of War for their
better Defence; the Misunderstanding between His
Majesty and the Parliament, and the Want of Compliance by this Honourable House with the House of
Commons, in entertaining those many good Motions,
and passing those necessary Bills, presented to you
from that House for the Common Good.
"All which Springs and Causes of the Petitioners
Fears and Distractions having occasioned the
total Decay of Trade, a great Scarcity of
Money, and thereby the Impoverishing and
Unsettlement of the whole Kingdom, and
tending so exceedingly to the endangering of
His Majesty's Honour and Dignity, and the
Peace and Safety of this Kingdom; the Petitioners do verily believe that, as the same received their First Beings from the Popish and
Prelatical Party, so have they hitherto been
continued, and will (it is greatly to be feared)
daily increase, by the voting of the Popish
Lords and Bishops in this Honourable House
(whose Interests, in respect of Religion, their
own Standings, or otherwise, are at this Time
so contrary to the Happiness of this Kingdom),
and by the Continuance of wicked Counsellors, and evil Ministers of State about His
"The Petitioners therefore humbly pray,
that all the aforesaid Causes and Springs
of their Fears and Troubles may be
speedily removed; and (for the effecting
thereof) that the evil Counsellors, and
others hindering the Public Good, may
be taken from about His Majesty, and
the voting of the Popish Lords and Bishops
removed out of this Honourable House;
and that the Petitioners (who shall be
ever ready to hazard their Lives and
Estates for the Defence of the King and
Parliament, the Privileges of the same,
and in especial those Noble Lords and
Gentlemen in both Houses whose Endeavours are for the public Good), may have
Liberty to protest against all those, as
Enemies to this Kingdom, who refuse to
join with those Honourable Lords, and
the House of Commons, for the putting
of the Kingdom into a Way of Safety,
under the Command of such Persons as
the Parliament shall appoint.
"And the Petitioners shall ever pray,
Thanks gives to the Petitioners.
Those that brought the Petition were commanded to
withdraw, and the House took it into Consideration
what Answer to give; which being resolved of, they
were called in again; and the Lord Keeper, by the Directions of this House, told them, "That this House conceives they come hither with good Intentions and Affections to the King, Kingdom and Parliament, and
gives them Thanks for the same. For their Petition
this House will take it into Consideration speedily."
Protest against it.
Memorandum, The Earl of South'ton and the Lord
Dunsemore dissented to this giving of Thanks, having Leave of the House so to do.
The Earl of Bedford signified to the House, "That
some Gentlemen of the County of Devon, and likewise of the City of Exon, were without, ready to
deliver Two several Petitions to their Lordships:"
The House commanded them to be called in, who came,
and presented the ensuing Petitions, which were read in
their Presence: videlicet,
"To the Right Honourable the Lords now assembled in Parliament.
"The humble Petition of the Justices and Gentlemen of the County of Devon, at their General
"That your Petitioners, observing to our Comfort
your infinite Labours, and to our Sorrow your abounding Pressures and Incumbrances, and studying how we
might possibly in our Degree contribute to your Help,
the Complaints and Fears of the Countrymen herewith commended to the View of the Commons House
have given us an Overture; charging us, by all the
Intereit of our common Welfare and Danger, to represent to His Majesty and your Honours their present Distresses and expected Miseries. The Port
Towns, as they are for the most Part the First Receivers of Foreign Intelligence, so are they sensible
of Inconveniences occurring by the Proceedings of
their Trade, Losses by Turkish Pirates, Crosses by
the Irish Rebellion and London's Distractions; though
first-felt, yet are these their least-feared Calamities;
neither do the Flocks of poor Protestants coming from
that Kingdom, robbed of their late good Fortunes,
and now depending upon their Christian Charity, so
much affright them with the Charge of their Relief,
as for the threatening Messages they bring from their
wolvish Enemies, that the Bounds of that Kingdom
shall not limit their malicious Tyranny.
"To these, as your Honours may perceive by the Perusal (which we humbly pray you to afford), they add
the Papists Plots by your Wisdom and Vigilancy already discovered, as certain Arguments of more intended, and ready for Execution; and all this they do
with so much Probability conjecture to proceed from
the Practices of the Popish Lords, and their constant
Adherents in most of their Votes the Prelates, in the
House of Peers, as your Petitioners concur with these
our Neighbours in Opinion and Desires, That your
Honours would vouchsafe to employ your Endeavours
to our most Gracious King, to exclude Papists from His
great Affairs, and His Prelates from Temporal Jurisdiction: By the Bearers hereof your Petitioners have
presumed to make the like Tender to His Majesty's
Royal Hand, being from thence confident of these
happy Effects; instead of Distractions, Unity; for
Remoras, Celerity; for Misunderstanding, Correspondency: And, by the Mercy of God upon His
Church and People, and upon the best of Kings their
supreme Governor, Prerogative and Privilege will
kiss each other, when His Majesty shall think it His
greatest Honour to grant your just Privilege, and you
acknowledge it your best Privilege to enjoy the
Benefit and Glory of His due and Princely Prerogative.
"For these and all other wished Felicities your Petitioners shall ever pray, etc."
"To the Right Honourable the House of Peers
now assembled in Parliament.
"The humble Petition of the Mayor, Aldermen, and
Common Council of the City of Exeter,
"That they have received late Petitions from the
Commons of the said City and County, signed by very
many Hands, wherein they present the great Decay
and Deadness in the Trades of the said City, especially
in the Manufactures of Serges or Perpetuanyet;
as also the Distresses of our Brethren in Ireland, which
(fn. *) Kingdom hath afforded great Relief and Trade to
these Parts; and, in their said Petitions, do apprehend the Grounds of all to rise from the Distractions
in the City of London, which, as they humbly conceive, are occasioned by the infringing of the Rights
and Privileges of Parliament, and just Liberty of the
Subject, and by the Oppositions and Hindrances which
the Bishops and Popish Party have laid in the Way of
the Proceedings of your Honourable Assembly; and
do further shew, that (unless God by some speedy
and timely Remedy do prevent it) this City and County
are like greatly to be endangered, by reason of the
Decay of the Commerce (with its inseparable Companion Poverty), which will, as they justly fear, stir up
many Thousand Persons to insolent and outrageous
"They do therefore earnestly pray us to present the
Premises to your Honours, with their great Fears and
sensible Apprehensions that the Source of all doth
spring from the Bishops, the Popish Party, and their
"We thought it our bounden Duty, humbly to prefer and present the same to your Honours accordingly,
being very sensible of the said Grievances and Fears,
and knowing that they cannot but inevitably occasion
Ruin and Confusion to this City and County, unless
God in His Mercy prevent it, by your honourable,
wise, and speedy Endeavours.
"Wherefore we humbly pray your Honours to take
these our Desires and humble Requests into your deep
Considerations, that the true Protestant Religion may
be still preserved, the Rights and Privileges of Parliament maintained, and the just Liberties of the Subject supported; and that the Popish Party may be disarmed (which, notwithstanding the former Laws and
Orders, have been neglected); and that the Kingdom
may be put into a Posture of Defence, and the Forts
and Places of Strength may be committed to the Hands
of trusty Persons; and that the Power of voting in
Parliament may be taken from the Bishops and Popish
Lords, and also the said Distresses of our afflicted
Brethren in Ireland may thoroughly be taken to Heart,
and speedily remedied.
"So may we expect the Happiness and Flourishing
of this Kingdom, and shall have more and more Cause
to bless God for His Majesty and your Honours.
"And (as Duty binds us) shall ever pray, etc."
Thanks given to the Petitioners.
After this, the Petitioners were commanded to withdraw, and the House took into Consideration what Answer to give; which being resolved of, they were called
in again; and the Answer given them was, "That
their Lordships give them Thanks for their good Affections to the King, Kingdom, and Parliament: For
the Petition, their Lordships will take the same into
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Sir William Lewis, Knight:
Message from the H. C. for a Conference about the Safety of the Kingdom.
To desire a Conference, by a Committee of both
Houses, touching some great Matter that concerns the
Safety of the Kingdom.
The Answer hereunto returned was:
That their Lordships will give a Meeting presently,
in the Painted Chamber, as is desired.
Then the House was adjourned during Pleasure,
and the Lords went to the Conference; which being
ended, the House was resumed; and it is Ordered,
That the Report of this Conference shall be made Tomorrow.
Sir Jo. Pennington to attend the H. C.
Ordered, That Sir Jo. Pennington, Knight, being
sent for by this House, shall attend the House of Commons.
Dominus Custos Magni Sigilli declaravit præsens Parliamentum (fn. *) continuandum esse usque in diem Mercurii,
videlicet, 26m diem instantis Januarii, 1641, hora 1a post
meridiem, Dominis sic decernentibus.