Die Mercurii, videlicet, 26 Januarii.
The Lord Keeper reported the Effect of the Conference with the House of Commons last Night: videlicet,
Conference of Yesterday concerning the Safety of the Kingdom reported.
"That Mr. Pym said, he was commanded, by the
Knights, Citizens, and Burgesses, assembled for the
Commons in Parliament, to present to your Lordships
divers Petitions, which they have received from several Parts, concerning the State of the Kingdom, whereunto they are chiefly moved by that constant Affection
which they have always expressed of maintaining a
firm Union and good Correspondence with your Lordships, wherein they have ever found much Advantage
and Contentment, but never held it more important
and necessary than at this Time, wherein the Resolutions of Parliament have as many great Dangers and
Difficulties to pass through as ever heretofore.
And further he said, That the House of Commons
are united in the Public Trust, which is derived from
the Commonwealth, in the common Duty and Obligation whereby God doth bind us to the Discharge
of that Trust; and the Commons desire to impart to
your Lordships whatsoever Information or Intelligence,
whatsoever Encouragement or Assistance, they have
received from those several Counties, which they
present, that so likewise we may be united in the same
Intentions and Endeavours of improving all to the Service of His Majesty and the Common Good of the
"The Petitions, he said, he was directed to communicate to your Lordships are Four, from London, Middlesex, Essex, and Hartfordshire; he said, they had received many more; but it would take up too much
Time, and be too great a Trouble, to peruse all; and
in those Four you may perceive the Effect and Sense
of all: First, he said, he was to desire your Lordships
to hear them read, and then he would pursue his Instructions, in propounding some Observations out of
"To the Honourable the Knights, Citizens, and
Burgesses of the House of Commons, assembled
"The humble Petition and Answer of the Mayor, Aldermen, and the rest of the Common Council of
the City of London,
"That the Committee of this Honourable House,
upon Saturday the 12th of this Instant January, sent
a Message to the Petitioners, for a Loan of One
Hundred Thousand Pounds, or of so much thereof as
could conveniently be forthwith raised, for levying of
Forces to suppress the Rebels in Ireland; to which
Message something was then answered, and a further
Answer in Writing promised. In Performance whereof, they humbly present the Answer following, together with the Reasons thereof, desiring that the same
(being the best that for the present they are able to
give) may favourably be accepted, and they shall ever
Answer, from thence about the Loan of 100,000l. for Ireland.
"The Petitioners are duly and deeply sensible of the
great Miseries of their Brethren in Ireland, and of the
imminent Danger not only of the total Loss of that
Kingdom, but of the Ruin of this also, if that of Ireland should (which God forbid) be lost; and, as they
have hitherto shewed themselves ready, even beyond
their Abilities, to serve the King and Parliament, so
shall they ever continue to the utmost of their Power
with all Chearfulness and Duty. But, at the present,
they are compelled to repeat their former Answer,
that they have no Power to raise any Sums, by Way
of Tax, for any Foreign Use; and do further answer,
that they have no Means to do it otherwise than by
the immediate Personal Consent of every particular
Lender, which they cannot hope to obtain, in regard
of these Obstructions following, which the Petitioners
humbly present, together with this their further Answer, as the Reasons thereof:
"1. That, immediately before the Parliament and
sithence, divers great Sums, for the Service of the
King and Kingdom, have been already lent by the
Citizens of London, besides Fifty Thousand Pounds for
the Supply of Ireland in particular; a great Part
whereof some of the Lenders were compelled to borrow, and cannot to this Day re-pay.
"2. That such Part of those Monies as are already
due to the Citizens from the Parliament, and should
have been re-paid out of the Poll-monies and Subsidies, is not yet done, because there is not any considerable Sum come in from the Country, as was expected, to satisfy the same.
"3. That the said Fifty Thousand Pounds lent for
Ireland was hastened, and speedily paid within near
about Two Thousand Pounds, upon this Ground then
urged by the Parliament, that, if it were forthwith
lent, it might be of more Use to preserve that Kingdom than the Loan of Two Hundred Thousand Pounds
could be if deferred but Six Weeks; yet no considerable Forces are sent thither to this Day, and we
find that Men will not be willing to lend any Thing
till they be assured that a good Strength be sent thither, with full Commission to relieve Londonderry,
and other Parts of that Kingdom.
"4. The general Withholding of very great Sums of
Money from the Petitioners and many others, which
Monies have been long due, not only from Chapmen
and other Debtors in England, but from very many in
Ireland (who owe many Hundred Thousands of Pounds
to the Citizens of London), doth render divers Persons
of good Estates and Credit hardly able to go on with
Trade, or to pay their Debts, and maintain their
"5. The Brotherly Offer of Scotland to send Ten
Thousand Men into Ireland, not yet so accepted as to
produce any Relief to that bleeding Kingdom, while
yet our Brothers are daily massacred there, discourageth most Men from lending any Money, were they never so able.
"6. The not passing the Bill for pressing of Soldiers
here, whereby such Forces as are requisite might be
timely sent from hence into Ireland, puts many Men
into Fears that there may be some Design rather to
lose that Kingdom, and to consume this in the losing
of Ireland, than to preserve either the one or the
other; for that it cannot be conceived that the Rebels
(being grown so powerful) will be suppressed by Voluntiers.
"7. The slow issuing of Commissions to those who,
being in Ireland, or going thither, are willing to enter the Field against the Rebels, disables them from doing any effectual Execution upon the Enemy, unless in
their own Defence; and so all the Monies that have
been or may be sent thither are exhausted, to maintain our Forces to do little or nothing worthy of them,
rather than employed to chastise the Rebels, and to
reduce them to Obedience; by Means whereof, the
Number and Power of the Rebels are greatly increased, divers Castles and Towns are by them taken,
much Protestant Blood is daily spilt, many Thousand Families destroyed, the malignant Party of Papists and their Adherents here are encouraged, and
those Rebels so much emboldened that they boast they
will extirpate the British Nation there, and then make
England the Seat of War.
"8. The not disarming of Papists here in England,
after many Discoveries of their Treacheries and bloody
Designs upon the Parliament and Kingdom, the great
Decay of Fortifications, Blockhouses, and other SeaForts, the not managing of them, nor furnishing them
with Ordnance and Ammunition, the not placing all
of them in such Hands in whom the Parliament may
confide, and the not settling this Kingdom in a Posture
of Defence in Times of so many Fears and Jealousies,
of Foreign Invasions and intestine Conspiracies, the
not removing the present Lieutenant of The Tower,
and putting such a Person into that Place as may be
well approved by the Parliament, notwithstanding
the earnest Petitions exhibited to this Honourable
House for that Purpose, which hath produced a Forbearance to bring Bullion into The Tower in this Time
of Scarcity of Monies; all which cannot but overthrow Trading more and more, and make Monies yet
more scarce in the City and Kingdom.
"9. The King's Ships, which ought to be a Wall
of Defence to this Kingdom, and a Convoy to the Merchants (for which Tonnage and Poundage was granted),
are not fitted and employed as the present Condition of this Kingdom and Ireland requires; but some
of them for the conveying away of Delinquents, who
durst not abide the Test of the Parliament, to the
great Encouragement of the rest of (fn. *) the malignant
Party here, who, when the Designs and themselves
be detected, know to escape the Hand of Justice,
through the Abuse of a Royal Conduct.
"10. The not questioning those many Thousands of
unknown Persons, who are sheltered in Coven Garden
and thereabouts, which do not employ themselves in
any lawful Calling, and, it is very probable, lie in a
Readiness to adventure upon some desperate Attempt, to the endangering of the Welfare, Peace,
and Safety of the King's Majesty, Parliament, and
"11. The Misunderstanding between the King and
Parliament, the not vindicating the Privileges of Parliament, the not suppressing of Protections, the not
punishing of Delinquents, and the not executing of all
Priests and Jesuits legally condemned; while others,
contrary to Privilege of Parliament, have been illegally (as the Petitioners conceive) charged with Treason, to the deterring of worthy Members from discharging their Duties, and to the destroying of the
very Being of Parliaments, do exceedingly fill the Minds
of Men well affected to the Public with many Fears
and Discouragements throughout the Kingdom, and so
disable them from that chearful Assistance, which they
would be glad to afford.
"12. By Means of the Premises, there is such Decay of Trading, and such Scarcity of Money (neither
of which can be cured till the former Evils be removed), as it is likely in very short Time to cast innumerable Multitudes of poor Artificers into such a
Depth of Poverty and Extremity, as may enforce
them upon some dangerous and desperate Attempts,
not fit to be expressed, much less to be justified,
which they leave to the Wisdom of this House speedily to consider and prevent.
"These are the Evils under which the Petitioners
do exceedingly labour and languish, which they
humbly conceive to have sprung from the employing of ill-affected Persons in Places of
Trust and Honour in the State, and near to
the Sacred Person of His Majesty; and that
these Evils are still continued, by Means of
the Votes of Bishops and Popish Lords in the
House of Peers.
"And now that the Petitioners have faithfully
represented the true Reasons, which do really
enforce them to return this Answer, most of
which have been formerly offered to this
Honourable House in sundry Petitions, and
that they have done all that in them lies (even
beyond all Precedent) to serve the King,
Parliament, and Kingdom; they humbly crave
Leave to protest before God and the High
Court of Parliament, that, if any further
Miseries befall their dear Brethren in Ireland,
or if any Mischief shall break in upon this
Kingdom, to the endangering or disturbing
thereof, it ought not to be imputed to the
Petitioners, but only to such as shall endeavour to hinder the effectual and speedy Cure
of the Evils before recited, that so much disable and discourage the Petitioners from doing
that which by this Honourable House is desired of them.
"To the Honourable the Knights, Citizens,
and Burgesses of the House of Commons,
in Parliament assembled.
"The humble Petition of Gentlemen, Freeholders,
and other Inhabitants of the County of Middlesex distinct from the Suburbs of London,
"That as the heavy Pressures and Grievances under
which this Church and Commonwealth were found at
your Entrance into Parliament, derive their Beings and
Increase from the Prelates and Papists, with their Adherents, and others ill affected in this Kingdom, whose
dangerous Practices and Designs had almost ruined
our Religion, Laws, and Liberties, even so (lest perfect Reformation should follow) we verily believe there
hath not wanted evil Counsels, crafty Devices, desperate Plots, and apparent Opposition, from that malignant Party, to hinder the happy Progress of this
Parliament, by continual Troubles and manifold Delays, to weary out and render fruitless your worthy
Preparations and Endeavours, and thereby to lay the
certain Ruin and Desolation of this Church and Kingdom, as already appears by that cursed Rebellion in
Ireland against our Nation and Religion, which heavy
Calamity the Petitioners do greatly lament and deplore.
"Forasmuch, therefore, as the flourishing of true
Religion, and the Happiness and Prosperity of this
Realm, under God, depend chiefly upon the good
Success of this Parliament, and for that the noble
Endeavours of this Honourable Assembly are, as the
Petitioners do with all Thankfulness acknowledge,
greatly conducing thereunto, and to the Intent the
humble Petitions heretofore exhibited unto you from
the Inhabitants of this County may receive the desired Answer;
"The Petitioners humbly pray, that this Honourable Assembly will be Means unto the
King's Majesty, and the House of Peers, that
perfect Accomplishment may be speedily given
to your good Endeavours, by their Concurrence with you in the Punishment of Delinquents, and purging out what is amiss in
Church and Commonwealth; and that the
Popish Lords and Bishops, whose voting in
the House of Peers is found to be a grand
Impediment thereto, may be removed thence,
and the whole Kingdom put into such a present Posture of Defence, that we may be safe
both from all Practices of the malignant Party
at home, and the Endeavours of any ill-affected States abroad.
"And the Petitioners, well knowing themselves so far engaged by their late Protestation, shall willingly maintain and defend, to the utmost Hazard of their Lives
and Estates, the King's Majesty, and
High Court of Parliament, and all your
Honourable Proceedings for the common
Good, against all contrary Power, Plots,
and Oppositions whatsoever; and shall
daily pray unto Almighty God for your
"To the Honourable the Knights, Citizens,
and Burgesses of the House of Commons,
in the High Court of Parliament.
"The humble Petition of the Knights, Gentlemen,
Ministers, and other Inhabitants, of the County
"To this Honourable House, that we are truly sensible of your great Care and extraordinary Endeavours to settle our Religion and Peace, and daily
bless God Almighty, and the King's Majesty, the
Peers, and this Honourable Assembly, for the same;
and we do further, in all Humility, represent to your
Honourable Consideration, that, notwithstanding your
abundant Care and Industry, we still apprehend a
great Stop of Reformation in Matters of Religion;
and ourselves, together with you and the whole
Kingdom, to be in great Danger, from the Papists
and other ill-affected Persons, who are every where
very insolent, and ready to act the Parts of those
savage Blood-suckers in Ireland, if they be not speedily
prevented; by Means whereof, our Tradings, especially of Cloathing and Farming, grow apace to so
great a Damp as many Thousands are like to come
to sudden Want; nor can we expect any Redress
thereof, unless the Bishops and Popish Lords be removed out of the House of Peers.
"Therefore we humbly pray, that you would earnestly mediate with His Majesty and the House of
Peers, that our Brethren in Ireland may be speedily
relieved, the Papists throughout this Kingdom may be
disarmed, and the Kingdom be put in such a Warlike
Posture for Defence as may be for its Safety; and
that the Bishops and Popish Lords, who (as we conceive) have hindered the Success of your Godly Endeavours, may be excluded the House of Peers; not
doubting but that then our Petitions formerly presented
to this House will receive the more full and speedy
"And your Petitioners, resolving in all just and
honourable Ways (according to our late Protestation) to assist you in your Rights and Privileges, with our Estates and Lives, against
the Enemies of God, the King, and State,
humbly pray, etc.
"To the Honourable the Knights, Citizens,
and Burgesses of the House of Commons,
assembled in Parliament.
"The humble Petition of the Knights, Gentlemen,
Freeholders, and other Inhabitants, of the
County of Hertford,
"That this Church and Kingdom being by the Prelates, those Multitudes of corrupt and scandalous
Ministers (their Creatures), the Popish Party concurring with them on the one Hand, and the wicked
Counsellors, evil Ministers of State, and great Swarms
of Projectors, and other ill affected to the Peace of
this Realm on the other Hand, brought to a sad
and almost desperate Condition, and thereby the
Splendor of His Majesty's Crown and Dignity dangerously weakened and eclipsed; it pleased His Majesty, having Respect to the Petitions of Nobles and
People in that Behalf, to call this present Parliament,
the only able Means (under God) to reform the many
Pressures and Grievances of the Church and Kingdom, and to remove the Causes thereof; in which
Parliament, to the Honour of His Majesty and Comfort of His good Subjects, exemplary Justice hath
been executed, arbitrary Courts, Ship-money, Monopolies, and other illegal Impositions removed; the
shedding of much Blood prevented, by the late Union
between the Two Kingdoms of England and Scotland,
and further Hopes given us of perfecting what remains, by the happy Continuance and much-desired
Progress of this Parliament.
"And, although that malignant Party of Prelates
and Papists and their Adherents (whose present Standings, and the happy Success of this Parliament, as
the Petitioners humbly conceive, are inconsistent)
have, by their manifold wicked Practices and Designs,
endeavoured to hinder all thorough Reformation in
Church and Commonwealth, to testify in the Birth
and Progress all those good Bills and other Preparations made by this Honourable Assembly for that
Purpose, and especially for the Relief of the Kingdom of Ireland (the Ruin whereof will endanger this
Kingdom also), to stop the Influence of His Majesty's
Royal Favour in giving Life thereto, to divide between His Majesty and this Honourable Assembly,
and to render you not only contemptible, but also
burthensome to the People; yet the Petitioners, and,
as they verily believe, all well affected to His Majesty,
and the Peace and Prosperity of this Kingdom, have,
and still shall continue, an high and honourable Esteem
of this worthy Assembly, and of your great and unwearied Endeavours; do, with the utmost Expressions of their Thankfulness, acknowledge the same,
and the perfecting thereof to be of great Consequence, and deep Necessity to the Peace and Welfare
of this Church and Kingdom, and such as without
which not only a Reflux of the former Calamities,
but even utter Ruin and Desolation, like that, being
too long continued, in sad and much lamented Ireland,
will apparently ensue.
"From the Sense whereof, and the great and unheard-of Breaches lately made upon the Privileges of
Parliament, even to the endangering of the Being
thereof, wherein your Petitioners and their Posterity
are much concerned;
"The Petitioners take upon them the humble
Boldness to declare their Readiness and great
Engagements, according to their Protestation,
to stand to and defend, to the utmost Peril of
their Lives and Estates, the King's Majesty
and High Court of Parliament, with all the
Power and Privileges of the same, and all
your honourable Proceedings for the common
Good, against all Popish and other malignant
Opposers, who endeavoured, either by evil
Counsel, secret Plots, or open Force, to hurt
or prejudice the same, or make Divisions between His Majesty and the Parliament.
"And the said Petitioners humbly pray, that
the Papists may be fully disarmed, the Laws
against them executed, the Kingdom, and especially this County, according to their late
Petition in that Behalf, put into a Posture
of War, for their better Defence; the Forts
and Strength of this Kingdom put into safe
Hands, which the Parliament may conside
and trust in; the Privileges of Parliament repaired, and thoroughly vindicated; and that
this Honourable Assembly (as hath been lately
desired of you by the Citizens of London) will
be Means unto His Majesty and House of Peers,
that Life may be speedily given to your
good Endeavours, by their Concurrence with
you in taking away of the Votes of Popish
Lords and Bishops out of the House of Peers,
and speedy and strong Relief of Ireland, the
further Punishment of Delinquents, the Removal of the Pressures and Grievances in
Church and Commonwealth, and reforming
of what is therein amiss.
"For all which your Petitioners shall daily
Mr. Pym's Speech.
"These Four Petitions being read, Mr. Pym proceeded. He said, That, in these Four Petitions,
your Lordships might hear the Voice, or rather the
Cry, of all England; and you cannot wonder if the
Urgency, the Extremity, of the Condition wherein
we are, do produce some Earnestness and Vehemency
of Expression more than ordinary: The Agony,
Terror, and Perplexity, in which the Kingdom labours, is universal; all Parts are affected with it;
and therefore, in these, you may observe the Groans
and miserable Complaints of all.
"Divers Reasons may be given, why those Diseases
which are epidemical are more dangerous than others:
The Cause of such Diseases is universal and supernal, not from an evil Constitution or evil Diet, or
any other Accident; and such Causes work with
more Vigour and Efficacy than those which are particular and inferior.
"2. In such Diseases, there is a communicative Quality, whereby the Malignity of them is multiplied and
"3. They have a converting, transforming Power,
that turns other Diseases and evil Affections of Men's
Bodies into their own Nature.
"The common epidemical Disease, wherein the
Commonwealth lies now gasping, hath a superior
and universal Cause, from the evil Counsels and Designs of those who, under His Majesty, bear the
greatest Sway in Government. 2. It hath a contagious and mischievous Quality, whereby it is diffused
and dispersed through all Parts of the Kingdom.
3. It is apt to take in the Discontents, evil Affections,
and Designs, of particular Persons, to increase and
"He said, he should take an Occasion from several
Branches of those Petitions which your Lordships have
heard, to observe,
"1. The Variety of Dangers, to which this Kingdom
is now subject.
"2. The manifold Distempers, which is the Cause
of those Dangers.
"3. The Multiplicity of those evil Influences, which
are the Causes of that Distemper.
"The First Danger is from Enemies abroad. This
may seem a causeless and impertinent Observation at
this Time, seeing we are in Peace with all Nations
about us: But, my Lords, you may be pleased to
consider, that the Safety of the Kingdom ought not
to depend upon the Will and Disposition of our
Neighbours, but upon our own Strength and Provision: Betwixt States, there are often sudden Changes
from Peace to War, according to Occasion and Advantage. All the States of Christendom are now
armed; and we have no Reason to believe but that
those of greatest Power have an evil Eye upon us in
respect of our Religion; and, if their private Differences should be composed, how dangerously, how
speedily, might those great Armies, and other Preparations now ready, be applied to some Enterprize
and Attempt against us: And, if there were no other
Cause, this were sufficient to make us stand upon our
Guard; but there are divers more especial Symptoms
of Dangers of this Kind.
"We may perceive, by several Advertisements from
abroad, that they did foresee our Dangers many
Months before they broke out; they could foretell
the Time and Manner of them, which is a clear Evidence they held Intelligence with those which were
the Contrivers and Workers of the present Troubles.
"We have many dangerous Traitors and Fugitives
now in other Parts, who can discover the Weakness
and Distemper of the Kingdom, who hold Intelligence with the ill-affected Party here, and, by all
cunning and subtle Practices, endeavour to incite and
provoke other Princes against us.
Some of the Ministers of our Neighbour Princes
may be justly suspected to have had a more immediate Hand and Operation in the Insurrection and Rebellion of Ireland; many of the Commanders, and
most of the Soldiers, levied for the Service of
Spaine, are now joined with the Rebels there; and
those Irish Friars which were employed by the Spanish Ambassador for the making of those Levies,
are known to have been chief Incendiaries to this
Rebellion, and are still very active in the Prosecution
and Encouragement of it.
"The Rebels have a ready and speedy Supply from
some of our Neighbours. Two Convoys of Munition and Arms we are certainly informed of; one
from Dunkirk; the other from Nantes in Britany;
and certainly those that are so forward to enable
others to hurt us will not forbear to hurt us themselves, as soon as they shall have Means and Opportunity to do it.
"Another Danger is from the Papists and ill-affected
Party at Home. The Papists here are acted by the
same Principles (fn. *) as those in Ireland; many of the
most active of them have lately been there; which
argues an Intercourse and Communication of Counsels; they have still Store of Arms and Munition
at their disposing, notwithstanding all our Endeavours to disarm them; they have a free Resort to the
City, and to the Court; they want no Opportunities
to consult together; they have the same or greater
Encouragements from above and from about them
than ever, in respect of the Example and Success of
the Rebels in Ireland, and the great Confusions and
Divisions, which, by their cunning and subtle Practices, are raised and fomented amongst ourselves at
"3. A Third Danger is, of Tumults and Insurrections
of the meaner Sort of People, by reason of their
ill Vent of Cloth and other Manufactures, whereby
great Multitudes are set on Work, who live for the
most Part on their daily Gettings, and will in a very
short Time be brought to great Extremity, if not
employed; nothing is more sharp and pressing than
Necessity and Want; what they cannot buy, they will
take; and from them the like Necessity will quickly
be derived to the Farmers and Husbandmen, and so
grow higher, and involve all in an Equality of Misery and Distress, if it be not prevented; and, at
this Time, such Tumults will be dangerous, because
the Kingdom is full of disbanded Soldiers and Officers, which will be ready to head and to animate
the Multitude to commit Violence with more Strength
and Advantage; and, if they once grow into a Body,
it will be much more difficult to reduce them into
Order again, because Necessity and Want, which are
the Causes of this Disturbance, will still increase as
(fn. *) the Effects do increase.
Rebels in Ireland.
"A Fourth Danger is, from the Rebels in Ireland,
not only in respect of that Kingdom, but in respect
of this; (fn. †) they have seized upon the Body of that
Kingdom already; they abound in Men of very able
Bodies; they increase in Arms and Munition; they
have great Hopes of Supplies from abroad, of Encouragement here, and are sure of good Entertainment from the Popish Party; so that they begin to
speak already of the transporting themselves hither,
and making this Kingdom the Seat of the War.
"The Distemper which hath produced these Dangers is various, and exceeding violent. Whensoever Nature is hindered in her proper Operation
and Faculties, Distempers will necessarily follow.
"The Obstructions which have brought us into
this Distemper are very many, so that we cannot
wonder at the Strength and Malignity of it; some of
the chiefest of these Obstructions I shall endeavour
"1. The Obstruction of Reformation in Matters of
Religion: No Grievances are sharper than those that
press upon the tender Consciences of Men; and
there was never Church or State afflicted with more
Grievances of this Kind than we have been; and although they are, by the Wisdom of this Parliament,
partly eased and diminished, yet many still remain;
and, as long as the Bishops and the corrupt Part of
the Clergy continue in their Power, there will be
little Hope of Freedom, either from the Sense of
those which continue, or Fear of those which are
removed. And of this Obstruction, my Lords, I
must clear the Commons; we are in no Part guilty
of it: Some good Bills have passed us, and others
are in Preparation, which might have been passed
before this, if we had not found such ill Success in
the other. Whatsoever Mischief this Obstruction
shall produce, we are free from it; we may have our
Part of the Misery, we can have no Part in the Guilt
"2. An Obstruction in Trade: It is the Trade that
brings Food and Nourishment to the Kingdom; it is
that which preserves and increaseth the Stock of the
Whole, and distributes a convenient Portion of
Maintenance to every Part of it; therefore such an
Obstruction as this must needs be dangerous; the
Freedom of Trade being so necessary, the Benefit
so important, as that it gives Life, Strength, and
Beauty, to the whole Body of the Commonwealth.
But, I must protest, the House of Commons hath
given no Cause to this Obstruction: We have eased
Trade of many Burthens and heavy Taxes, which
are taken off; we have freed it from many hard
Restraints by Patents and Monopolies; we have been
willing to part with our own Privileges, to give it
Encouragement; we have sought to put the Merchants into Security and Confidence in respect of
The Tower of London, that so they might be invited
to bring in their Bullion to the Mint, as heretofore
they have done; and we are no Way guilty of the
Troubles, the Fears, and public Dangers, which
make Men withdraw their Stocks, and to keep their
Money by them, to be ready for such sudden Exigences
as in these great Distractions we have too much Cause
Relief of Ireland.
"3. The Obstruction in the Relief of Ireland: It
must needs be accounted a great Shame and Dishonour to this Kingdom, that our Neighbours have
shewed themselves more forward to supply the Rebels, than we have been to relieve our distressed
Brethren and Fellow Subjects: But I must declare
that we are altogether innocent of any Neglect herein. As soon as the First News of the Rebellion
came over, we undertook the War; not by Way of
Supply and Aid, as in former Rebellions the Subjects
have used to do, but we undertook the whole
Charge of it; and we suffered not Four and Twenty
Hours to pass, before we agreed to a great Levy of
Money and Men to be employed against the Rebels,
even in a larger Proportion than the Lords Justices
and Council there did desire; and, from Time to
Time, we have done all for the Furtherance thereof,
though in the Midst of many Distractions and Divisions; but the Want of Commissions for levying Men,
for issuing Arms, and divers other Impediments, have
been the Causes of that Obstruction; and I wish we
had not only found Impediments to ourselves, but
also Encouragements to them. Many of the chief
Commanders now in the Head of the Rebels, after
we had with your Lordships Concurrence stopt the
Ports against all Irish Papists, have been suffered to
pass, by His Majesty's immediate Warrant, much
to the Discouragement of the Lords Justices and
Council there; and this procured, as we believe,
by some evil Instruments, too near His Regal Person, without His Majesty's Knowledge and Intention.
"4. The Obstruction in Prosecution of Delinquents:
Many we have already brought up to your Lordships; divers others we have been discouraged to
transmit, such difficult Proceedings have we met
withall; such Terrors and Discountenance have been
cast upon ourselves and our Witnesses; and those who
have shewed themselves their Friends (fn. *) and Patrons,
have found it the most ready Way to Preferment;
yea, His Majesty's own Hand hath been obtained,
His Majesty's Ships employed, for the transporting
of divers of those who have fled from the Justice of
Proceedings in Parliament.
"5. A general Obstruction and Interruption of
the Proceedings of Parliament, by those manifold
Designs of Violence (which, through God's Mercy,
we have escaped), by the great and frequent Breaches
of Privilege, by the subtle Endeavours to raise Parties in our House, and Jealousies betwixt the Two
The Defence of the Kingdom.
"6. The Obstruction in providing for the Defence
of the Kingdom, that we might be enabled to resist
a Foreign Enemy, to suppress all Civil Insurrections;
and what a pressing Necessity there is of this, the
exceeding great Decays in the Navy, in the Forts, in
the Power of ordering of the Militia of the Kingdom, and Means of furnishing them with Munition,
are sufficient Evidences, known to none better than
to your Lordships; and what Endeavours we have
used to remove them (but hitherto without that Success and Concurrence which we expected), and where
the Stop hath been, and upon what Grounds, we
may claim (fn. *) our own Innocency and Faithfulness; in
this, we desire no other Witnesses but yourselves.
"Lastly, I come to the evil Influences, which have
caused this Distemper; and I shall content myself to
mention some few of those which are most apparent
"1. In the First Place, I shall remember the evil
Counsels about the King, whereof we have often
complained: Diseases of the Brain are most dangerous, because from thence Sense and Motion are
derived to the whole Body. The Malignity of evil
Counsels will quickly be infused into all Parts of
the State. None can doubt, but we have exceedingly laboured under most dangerous and mischievous
Counsels. This evil Influence hath been the Cause
of the Preparation of War with Scotland, of the
procuring a Rebellion in Ireland, of corrupting Religion, suppressing the Liberty of this Kingdom,
and of many fearful and horrid Attempts, to the
subverting the very Being of Parliament, which was
the only hopeful Means of opposing and preventing
all the rest; and this doth appear to be a most predominant Evil of the Time, whereat we need not
wonder, when we consider how Counsellors have
been preferred and prepared; and I appeal to your
Lordships own Consciences, whether the giving and
the countenancing of evil Counsel hath not been
almost the only Way to Favour and Advancement.
Discouragement of good Counsel.
"2. The Discouragement of good Counsel: Divers
honest and approved Counsellors have been put
from their Places, others so discountenanced as that
the [ (fn. *) Door of] Favour hath been shut against them, and
that of Danger and Destruction only open to them.
Bishops and Popish Lords having Votes.
"3. The great Power that an interested and factious
Party hath in the Parliament, by the Continuance of
the Votes of the Bishops and Popish Lords in your
Lordships House, and the taking in of others, both
out of the House of Commons and otherwise, to increase their Strength.
"4. The somenting and cherishing of a malignant
Party throughout the whole Kingdom.
"5. The manifold Jealousies betwixt the King,
His Parliament, and good Subjects, whereby His Protection and Favour hath in a great Measure been
with-held from them, their Inclination and Resolution to serve and assist Him hath been very much
hindered and interrupted; we have often suffered
under the Misinterpretation of good Actions, and
false Imputation of evil which we never intended,
so that we may justly purge ourselves from all Guilt
of being Authors of this Jealousy and Misunderstanding; we have been, and still are, ready to serve
His Majesty with our Lives and Fortunes, with as
much Chearfulness and Earnestness of Affection as
ever any Subjects were; and we doubt not but
our Proceedings will so manifest this, that we
shall be as clear in the Apprehension of the World
as we are in the Testimony of our own Consciences.
"He said, he was now come to a Conclusion, and
hath nothing to propound to your Lordships by Way
of Request or Desire from the House of Commons;
I doubt not but your Judgements will tell you what
is to be done; your Consciences, your Honours, your
Interests, will call upon you for the doing of it; the
Commons will be glad to have your Help and Concurrence in saving of the Kingdom; but, if they
should fail of it, it should not discourage them in
doing their Duty; and whether the Kingdom be lost
or saved (as, through God's Blessing, I hope it will
be), they shall be sorry, that the Story of this present Parliament should tell Posterity, that, in so great
a Danger and Extremity, the House of Commons
should be inforced to save the Kingdom alone, and
that the House of Peers should have no Part in the
Honour of the Preservation of it, you having so
great an Interest in the good Success of those Endeavours, in respect of your great Estates and high
Degrees of Nobility."
Debate upon the Report.
This Report being ended, it was debated, whether
their Lordships, upon the new Reasons offered in this
Report, should not join with the House of Commons,
in an humble Petition to His Majesty, "That the Forts
and Castles and Militia of this Kingdom might be
put into such Hands as both Houses of Parliament
may confide in, and be recommended to His Majesty
by both Houses, for the Security and Safety of the
King and Kingdom."
Exception to Words spoken by the D. of Richmond;
For the better Debate hereof, the House was adjourned into a Committee during Pleasure; and, after a
long Consideration, the House was resumed, and some
Lords desired that the House might be adjourned.
Then the Duke of Richmond said, "Let us put the
Question, whether we shall adjourn for Six Months;"
which Words the House taking Exceptions to, the Duke
of Richmond explained himself, "That he did not
speak those Words positively, but meant that the
House might be adjourned as well for Six Months as
no Time appointed."
whereupon he withdrew.
After this, his Grace withdrew himself; and the
House, taking the aforesaid Words into Consideration,
conceived they did reflect to the Prejudice of the
King and Kingdom. And, after a long Debate, it was
put to the Question.
"Whether it shall be sufficient Satisfaction to this
House, that the Lord Duke of Richmond shall
come into his Place, and make an humble
Submission and Acknowledgement that he hath
offended the House, in speaking these Words
inconsiderately and unadvisedly; and that he
had no Intention or Meaning to have the
House adjourned for Six Months; and that
he craves their Lordships Pardon for it."
And it was Resolved affirmatively.
Satisfaction given by him to the House.
Then the Lord Duke of Richmond was called in, and,
standing in his Place, made this Acknowledgement:
"That he doth, with all Humility, acknowledge his
great Offence in speaking of Words concerning an
Adjournment for Six Months, which he confesseth to
have uttered unadvisedly and inconsiderately; but
professeth he did not intend or mean that any such
Adjournment should be; and craves the Pardon of
the House for his Offence therein."
These Lords following dissented from the aforesaid
Vote; and, before the putting of the Question, demanded their Right of Protestation, which the House
granted; and have accordingly entered their Protestation, as followeth:
Protest against it as not being a sufficient Punishment.
"That, in respect the Words spoken by the Duke
of Richmond, which were these, ["Let us put the
Question whether we shall adjourn for Six Months,"]
tended much to the Prejudice of the King and Kingdom; I do protest against the Vote, as not a sufficient Punishment for Words of that dangerous Consequence:
|"The Lord Admiral.|
"Similiter The Lord Chamberlain.
"Similiter Comes Pembroke.
"Similiter Comes Suffolke.
"Similiter Comes Lincolne.
"Similiter Comes Leycester.
"Similiter Comes Warwicke.
"Similiter Comes Holland.
"Similiter Comes Bollingbrooke.
"Similiter Comes Stanford.
"Similiter Lord Viscount Conway.
"Similiter Ds. Wharton.
"Similiter Ds. Pagett.
"Similiter Ds. Hunsden.
"Similiter Ds. Chandois.
"Similiter Ds. St. Johns.
"Similiter Ds. Spencer.
"Similiter Ds. Kymbolton.
"Similiter Ds. Brooke.
"Similiter Ds. Grey de Warke.
"Similiter Ds. Robartes.
"Similiter Ds. Howard de Estc.
Captain Withypool's Recruits for Holland.
Ordered, That Cutbert Newton shall be permitted
to entertain and transport (by virtue of this Order) into
The Low Countries, for the Supply and Recruiting of
the Company of Captain Withipole, for the Service of
The States of the United Provinces, the Number of Thirty
Men, Voluntiers, by Way of Recruits, according to
former Liberty granted by His Majesty.
Paving the Old Palace.
Ordered, That Inego Jones, Esquire, Surveyor General of His Majesty's Works, shall forthwith make a
Survey of The Old Palace in Westm. to the End that
some speedy Course may be taken for the well and sufficient paving of all the said Palace, for the Service of
His Majesty and the Lords assembled in Parliament, and
to give Account thereof unto their Lordships; and
herein all possible Speed, Care, and Diligence is to be
used, as the said Surveyor General will answer the contrary to this House.
Oneale removed to The Tower.
Upon the humble Petition of Daniell Oneale, a Prisoner in The Gatehouse, "desiring, for his Health Sake,
either to be bailed, or to go abroad with his Keeper
to take the Air;" it is Ordered, &c. That the said
Daniel Oneale shall be forthwith removed from the said
Prison of The Gatehouse unto The Tower of London, and
to have such sitting Liberty there as the Lieutenant of
The Tower may be responsible to this House for him;
and this to be a sufficient Warrant in that Behalf.
"To the Lieutenant of The Tower
of London, and his Deputy."
Elizabeth Manley versus Sir Richard and John Manley.
Upon Information this Day given unto the House,
That the Lords Committees for Petitions had made an
Order, in the Cause between Eliz. Manley, Wife of
George Manley, Esquire, Petitioner unto the Lords in
Parliament, against Sir Richard Manley, Knight, and
John Manley, Defendants, bearing Date the 15th of
July 1641, subscribed by Seven of their Lordships,
which was desired to be confirmed by this House;" it
is thought fit, and so Ordered, &c. That the said
Order, so made by the said Lords Committees for Petitions, shall be hereby ratified and confirmed in all
States Ambassador to be moved again about Depredations.
Ordered, That the Earl of Stamford and the Lord
Howard of Charleton shall once more go to The States
Ambassador, in the Name of this House, to desire a definitive Answer from him, touching those Depredations that their Lordships had formerly Direction to repair to him about; and afterwards to make Report
unto the Lords in Parliament, who will give such
further Directions therein as to their Wisdoms shall seem
West Deerham. Malster, Atmeere, et al. dismissed.
Ordered, That Richard Malster, Edward Jones,
John Atmeere, Richard Young, William Trollopp, and
Thomas Clements, being now in the Custody of the
Gentleman Usher, shall be dismissed of their present
Restraint, each Man being bound for himself in the Sum
of One Hundred Pounds unto the said Gentleman Usher,
with Condition that he shall render himself again unto
the said Gentleman Usher or his Deputy, to appear before the Lords in Parliament, within Fourteen Days
next after he shall be served by any Warrant from this
House so to do.
Sir John Blagrave's Bill.
Ordered, That the Committee concerning Sir John
Blagrave's Bill shall meet on Monday next, at One of
the Clock in the Afternoon, in the Painted Chamber.
Message to the H. C. with the Answer to the Scots Propositions about Ireland.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons by
Sir Edward Leech and Dr. Bennett:
To deliver the Resolutions of the Lords to the Propositions of the Scotts, which this House approved of;
and to desire that the House of Commons would give
Expedition to them.
Mr. Smarte versus Dr. Cosens, et al.
It was moved, "That the Business of Mr. Smart,
against Doctor Cosens and others, might be put off
until Easter Term next:" Hereupon it is Ordered,
That the Parties on both Sides do attend this House
To-morrow; and then their Lordships will give further
The Lord Lieutenant of Ireland reported the King's
Answer to the Eight Propositions of the Scotts Commissioners: videlicet,
The King's Answer to the Propositions of Scots Commissioners.
"His Majesty, having perused and considered these
Eight Propositions presented by the Scotts Commissioners, doth willingly consent to them all, except
only the Third, which His Majesty doth not approve
of, and wisheth the Houses to take that Article again
into Consideration, as a Business of very great Importance, which His Majesty doubts may be prejudicial to the Crown of England, and the Service
intended. And, if the Houses desire it, His Majesty
shall not be unwilling to speak with the Scotts Commissioners, to see what Satisfaction He can give them
At the Court at Windsor, 26 Jan. 1641.
Petition of the Apprentices and Seamen.
The Earl of Warwicke signified to the House, "That
some young Men, Apprentices and Seamen, were
at the Door, attending with a Petition, which they
desired to present to their Lordships." The (fn. *) House
was pleased to admit them in; and, after they had
delivered it, it was read in their Presence, in hæc
"To the Right Honourable the House of Peers,
now assembled in Parliament.
"The humble Petition of the young Men, Apprentices and Seamen, in and about the City
"In all humble Submission sheweth,
"That your Petitioners have lain a long Time (as is
well known) under unsupportable Pressures; for the
Redress of which many Petitions have been exhibited:
yet to this Day hath not been obtained that Relief
which our Necessities required, and our Hopes did
promise; but our Miseries do daily increase and grow
upon us. Trading is extraordinarily decayed, and
Fears greatly multiplied, by reason of that desperate
Height of Malice and Power to which the Rebels
of Ireland have attained, and which they go on still
to perfect, by those new Supplies of Aid and Strength
they do receive, and by reason of the Exposedness
of this Kingdom unto Dangers Foreign and Intestine,
for Want of a present Posture of Defence, both
which threaten Ruin to this Kingdom.
"Wherefore your Petitioners are constrained
humbly to supplicate that our poor distressed
Brethren of Ireland (according to His Majesty's Commands and the Commons earnest
Desire) may be forthwith powerfully aided,
to suppress that abominable Rebellion of the
bloody Papists; that the Kingdom at Home
may be speedily put into such a Posture of
War and Defence as may enable them against
all Foreign Invasions and Domestic Plots, and
Conspiracies of Papists and their Adherents;
that the Hindrances thereof, whether Persons
or Causes, may be declared, inasmuch as your
Petitioners cannot but conceive that Persons
are either Factors for or Favourers of the rebellious Rout in Ireland, or of some Foreign
Power intending Ruin to His Majesty's Kingdoms; and such Causes as are alledged, can
be but feigned Pretences; and that the heavy
Pressures lying upon us, and growing insupportable by the Delay of Relief, may be
timely removed; your Petitioners greatly fearing, that, if present Remedy be not afforded,
from the Hands of this Honourable Parliament (as from wife Physicians), Multitudes
will be ready to take Hold upon that Remedy
which is next at Hand; Oppression (as Solomon
saith) making wise Men mad.
"And your Petitioners shall ever pray, &c."
Thanks given to the Petitioners.
The Lord Keeper, by Directions of this House, gave
this Answer to the aforesaid Petitioners, "That their
Lordships do give them Thanks for their Care of
Ireland; and that their Petition shall be taken into
Consideration in due Time."
Sir George Wentworth's Petition concerning Lord Loftus's Cause.
The Petition of Sir George Wentworth, Knight, complained of amongst others by the Lord Viscount Loftus,
was read; shewing, "That the Charge of the Declaration of the House of Commons, being very great,
consists of divers Particulars concerning several Persons, for sundry Things and Occasions altogether
arising in Ireland.
"That the said Lands and Matters of Interest in
Question do only concern Anne Loftus, Heir Apparent General to the said Lord Loftus, she being an
Infant of about Fourteen Years, and claiming by
Descent, to whom, as your Petitioner conceives,
Dame Mary Jepson, Widow, now living at Castle
Jordans in Ireland, Grandmother of the said Infant,
is Guardian, or next Friend; the Father, Mother,
and only Brother of the said Infant, being dead since
the making of the Decree complained of; and the
other Parties appointed to answer were either Judges
at making of the said Decree, or Persons no way
interested in the Business to their own Use, whereof
some are in England, others and the most of them
are in Ireland, and of the Council there.
"That the Condition of that Kingdom is perilous,
and now dangerous it is to go thither for Evidences
to prepare or to make good such Answer or Defence as may be offered on the Behalf of the said Infant, for the Support of the said Decree, which,
upon the Appeal of the Lord Loftus himself, hath,
upon a solemn and full Hearing, been confirmed by
His Majesty and the Council here, although no Mention be made thereof by the Lord Loftus in the Proceedings before your Lordships.
"That, if that Decree so confirmed should be reversed, the said Infant is not (to the Knowledge of
your Petitioner) sure to have any Portion or Preferment whatsoever, in Lands, Money, or otherwise,
from the said Lord Loftus her Grandfather.
Upon Consideration of the present Distraction in
Ireland, the Season of the Year, and other Premises, your Petitioner most humbly prayeth,
"That he or they may not be enforced to answer
within Thirty Days, limited by the Order of the
9th of December last; but may have such further and competent Time to prepare and put in
his Answer, as the Exigency of the Case requireth, and as (fn. *) to your Lordships shall seem
"That, until there be Answer and Issue joined, no
Witnesses may be examined; and that the Order of the 16th of December, for awarding of a
Commission to examine Witnesses, may be discharged, and the rather for that it is directed to
Persons named by the Lord Loftus, without Notice thereof formerly given to your Petitioner.
"That, the Scope of this Suit being to reverse a Decree, no Witnesses may be examined, or further
Proof used (as to that Purpose), than were at the
Time of the Hearing of that Cause.
"And he shall pray, etc.
Lord Loftus to have Notice of it.
Ordered, That the Lord Viscount Loftus shall have
Notice of this Petition.
Dominus Custos Magni Sigilli declaravit præsens Parliamentum continuandum esse usque in diem Jovis, videlicet, 27m diem instantis Januarii, 1641, hora 1a post
meridiem, Dominis sic decernentibus.