Mercurii, 9 Feb. 1641.
ORDERED, That the Business of Offering of a
Speech to be printed in Sir Simonds D'Ewes his
Name, be referred to the Committee for Printing: And
that Bennet be summoned to attend that Committee.
Ordered, That the Committee for Poll-money shall
have Power to . . . . the several Certificates of the Pollmoney, that come from the several Counties, to the
Knights and Burgesses of the several Counties, as Subcommittees to the Grand Committee, to consider of, and
examine the State of the Accounts; and to report unto
the Grand Committee.
Sir Edm.Fowell has Leave to go into the Country.
Ordered, That Mr. Peard shall report Mr. Edw.
Vaughan's Cause To-morrow Morning, so soon as the
House shall be set.
Resolved, upon the Question, That John Bennett shall
be forthwith sent for, as a Delinquent, by the Serjeant at
Arms attending ...for venting false Speeches, and selling
them to be printed; pretending they were spoken by
Members of this House.
Ordered, That Sir Ro. Pye and Mr. Wheeler do pay
unto Sir Arth. Ingram and Sir Tho. Barrington, the
Monies formerly ordered to be employed in Plate, and to
be bestowed upon Mr. Calamyn and Mr. Marshall, and
has been since so laid forth by them.
Ordered, That Sir A. Ingram and Sir Tho. Barrington
shall desire Mr. Calamy and Mr. Marshall to preach at
the Fast, before the House of Commons, at St.Margarett's, Westminster, on this Day Fortnight.
Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for
Informations, to examine this Business of bespeaking a
Hundred thousand Arrows.
The humble Petition of the Gentry, Ministry, and
Commonalty of Cleveland, in the County of Yorke, addressed "To the Right Honourable the Lords and Commons of the House of Parliament," was this Day read, in
Whereas we know no other Means, under God, to divert the just Judgements which he hath executed against
the Church of the Laodiceans, for their Lukewarmness in
Religion, or against the Church of Thyatira, for keeping
Seducers, nor to prevent our imminent Dangers, but by
a most necessary and speedy Executing of the Laws of
God and the King; we do therefore desire to certify, that
we are resolved to live and die in the Faith of our Protestant Religion; knowing no other Means of our Salvation: And that we will defend it with our Life and Goods:
Which, that we may with our Abilities be encouraged in
performing, We humbly, above all Things, desire, that
We may be secured; a happy Reformation afforded; and
the Laws of God and the King, without Favour or Delay, justly put in Execution against Papists.
And your Petitioners shall daily pray, &c.
This Petition being read, Mr. Speaker gave Order to
Mr. Bellassis to return Thanks to the Petitioners; and to
acquaint them, that this House has read their Petition,
and does approve of it.
Mr. Adrian May, being formerly summoned, did appear here at the Bar; and being asked many Questions
concerning Hull, - the Reasons of his going thither; made
a Narrative of the whole Matter; and, in Sum, said, That
he was commanded by his Majesty to go to Hull, to see
in what Condition the Town stood; and whether the Garison were admitted; and upon what Terms: But he absolutely denied, that he had any Order to go to the Lord
Dunbarr, or that he once named him: And being asked
sundry Questions, of divers Words that should be spoken
in his Presence, concerning some Members of both
Houses, he utterly denied that, to his Remembrance, he
ever heard any such Words spoken.
That this Information concerning Mr. Adrian Maye's
providing those Four hundred Horse-arms, and sending them to Hull, be referred to the Committee for Informations; and, that in the mean time Mr. May be
Ordered, That the House be resolved into a Committee to proceed with the Bill for securing the Persons of
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.
The humble Petition of the Merchants trading with
the Subjects of the King of Spaine, in Bullion and Coin.
Ordered, That a Committee shall * * * *
Sir H. Vane, Mr. Chan. Exchequer, Mr. Green, Sir
Ro. Harley, Mr. Pym, Mr. Rolle, Mr. Martin, Mr.
Spurstoe, Sir Ro.Pye, Alderman Pennington, Mr. Jenning;
This Committee is appointed to take the Petition of
the Merchants trading with the Subjects of the King of
Spaine in Bullion and Coin: And are to confer with such
Merchants, or other Persons, as they shall think fit, about
it; and to report their Opinions of this Business to the
House: And are to meet To-morrow, at Eight of Clock,
in the Treasury-chamber: And have Power to send for
Parties, Witnesses, &c.
Mr. Pierepoint reports the Reasons to be given to
the Lords, why this House cannot yield to the Lords
Amendments to the Ordinance concerning the Forts and
Militia of the Kingdom.
1. That in this Clause of the Ordinance, such as
should not yield Obedience are only to answer their Neglect and Contempt.
The not Obeying of this Ordinance is the not Obeying
the King, Lords, and Commons: That, to answer their
Neglect and Contempt in Parliament, they must answer
it to the King, the Lords, and Commons: And these
Words "and not otherwise," doth mean, No Punishment
can be inflicted on the Disobedient, but by an Act of
2. That his Majesty hath had ill Advice; though we
hope of better: But such Advice may be given him, not
to concur in punishing such as neglect and contemn; and
may thereby encourage ill-affected Persons: So that this
Ordinance, provided with so much Care for the Preservation of his Majesty and the Kingdom, may prove
3. This is an Ordinance of both Houses; and the not
Obeying of this Authority is a Contempt of the Authority of both Houses; and therefore the Contempt ought
to be answered in both Houses.
4. The Necessity of this Danger requireth speedy Obedience, and that the People may not be in doubt where to
answer, whether to One House or both: And we, conceive
the Lords would have them know, that if they do * *
they do not only contemn them, but the House of Commons also: The House of Commons are confident, that
your Lordships, in this Ordinance, have the same Affection with them, for the Safety of the King, Kingdom and
People: That these unhappy Differences about Words
and Expressions, in a Business of this high Consequence,
may expose us to a Censure abroad, whereby we may
suffer more than for the present can be imagined.
And therefore, for these Reasons, this House is of Opinion, that the Words "Commons and Lords" should
Lord Ruthyn, according to the Order of Yesterday,
went up to the Lords for a free Conference concerning
their Lordships Additions to the Ordinance for the Forts
Sir Philip Stapilton offered, from the Scotts Commissioners, certain Heads for a Commission to be granted
to the Marquis of Argile, for the Transportation of Fifteen hundred Men into Ireland: And
It is Ordered, That these Heads be referred to the
Committee formerly appointed to consider of the Commission for Carrickfergus: And they are likewise to
consider of what other Heads they shall think fit for this
Commission; and to get a Draught of a Commission prepared, and to present it to the House: And are to meet
To-morrow, at Eight of Clock, in the Inner Court of
Ordered, That the Committee concerning Colonel Hill
do meet To-morrow Morning, at Eight of Clock, in the
Lord Ruthyn brings Answer, That the Lords will give
a present Meeting, as is desired.
Ordered, That these Letters from Colonel Butler be
referred to the Committee for Irish Affairs.
Some of the Inhabitants of Suff", this Day preferred
a Petition to this House, being called in to the Bar:
Which being done, they withdrew.
And then their Petition was read.-
Ordered, That the Bill for Transportation of Wools
and Woolfells, be reported To-morrow Morning.-
The Petitioners were again called in, and Mr. Speaker
told them, "That the House is very sensible of the
Grievances you suffer under: Their Endeavour hath
been and shall be to the uttermost, to give you a speedy
Redress: They take Notice of One Particular in your
Petition, which is, That there had many more come up,
had it not been in Obedience to an Order of this House;
the which they like very well."
They acquainted the House likewise, with a Petition
they had to present to the Lords; and desired the Approbation of it, and Directions in it.
And then their Petition was read, and they called in;
and Mr. Speaker told them, "The House approved of
their Petition: And, for the Manner of Delivery of it,
they leave it to your own Discretions."
Mr. Pierrepoint reports, That he had delivered the
Reasons to the Lords; and the Lords have altered this
Clause thus, "That such Persons as shall not obey in any
of the Premises, shall answer their Neglect and Contempt
to the Lords and Commons, in a Parliamentary Way."
This Addition was put to the Question; and assented
Mr. Pierrepoint carried up the Ordinance, with the
Assent of this House unto it.
He likewise carried up the Order of this House concerning * * * *
Ordered, That the Committee appointed to consider of
his Majesty's Message, concerning some Things delivered
in a Speech by Mr. Pym, at a Conference, touching divers Papists passed over into Ireland, by Passes immediately under his Majesty's Hand, be continued: And
that Colonel Butler be examined by That Committee.
Sir Wm.Lewis reports from That Committee, the
Grounds whereupon those Passages were delivered by
Mr. Pym, at the Conference aforesaid: Which was read;
and, by Vote upon the Question, assented unto.
YOUR Majesty's most loyal and faithful Subjects the
Commons now assembled in Parliament, have taken into
their serious Consideration, the Message received from
Your Majesty, the Seventh of this Instant February; and
do acknowledge, that the Speech therein mentioned to be
delivered by Mr. Pym, in a Conference, was printed by
their Order; and that what was therein delivered, was
agreeable to the Sense of the House: And, touching that
Passage, wherein it is affirmed, that since the Stop upon
the Ports against all Irish Papists, by both Houses, many
of the chief Commanders, now in the Head of the Rebels, have been suffered to pass by Your Majesty's immediate Warrant, they present Your Majesty with this
their humble Answer:
That they have received divers Advertisements, concerning several Persons, Irish and other Papists, which
have obtained Your Majesty's immediate Warrant for their
Passing into Ireland, since the Order of Restraint of both
Houses; some of which, as they have been informed,
since their Coming into Ireland, have joined with the
Rebels, and been Commanders amongst them; and some
others have been stayed, and are yet in safe Custody;
particularly the Lord Delvyn and Four other Persons in
his Company, whereof One is thought to be a Priest;
one Colonel Butler, Brother to the Lord Montgarratt,
now in Rebellion, and Sir Geo.Hamilton; all which are
Papists; and One other, as is reported, being Son of the
Lord Nettersfield, whose Father and Brother are both in
Rebellion: The Particular Names of others we have not
yet received, but doubt not, but, upon Examination,
they may be discovered.
And Your Majesty's most faithful Subjects are very
sorry, that the extreme Caution which Your Majesty
hath used, hath been so ill seconded with the Diligence
and Faithfulness of your Ministers; and that Your Royal
Authority should be so highly abused; although, as it
was expressed in that Speech by Mr. Pym, we believe
it was by the Procurement of some evil Instruments too
near Your Royal Person, without Your Majesty's Knowledge and Intention: And we beseech Your Majesty to
take such Course, that not only Your Honour may be
vindicated for the Time past, but Your Kingdom may
be secured from the like Mischief for the Time to come.
Mr. Chancellor, Mr. Carew, Sir Dudley North, Mr.
Strangewayes, are appointed to attend his Majesty, with
this Answer, To-morrow Morning.
Mr. Pierrepoint reports, that the Lords do agree to the
Order concerning setting forth a Fleet this Summer.
The House fell into Consideration of the Nominating
of Persons to be Lieutenants for the several Counties of
the Kingdom, and to be intrusted with the Militia of the
several Counties. Whereupon
It was Resolved, upon the Question, That there shall
be but One Lieutenant in any One County, except in
the City of London.
Ordered, That this Matter, concerning the Nominating
of Lieutenants for every County, be resumed To-morrow
Morning, at Ten a Clock.