Saturday, December 27,1656.
A petition touching the salt trade at Newcastle, (fn. 1) referred
to the Committee of trade.
A petition from York and Hull, (fn. 2) touching wines, referred
to the same Committee.
Per Major-General Packer,
A Bill, touching dividing of a common, (fn. 3) for Sir Cornelius
Vermeudon, with the consent of the freeholders and Commoners.
Mr. Bond affirmed that the tenants and freeholders did not
consent. Whereupon the Bill was rejected.
An Act for settling lands upon Judge Advocate Whalley
and Erasmus Smith, for their adventures in Ireland, was
read the third time.
Lord Whitlock offered a rider to this Bill, to settle the
house of Portumna, Park, manor, and lands, four thousand
acres of land, (excepted in the Bill) upon Lord Henry Cromwell, in lieu of his good service, and arrears due to him, to
be holden of the castle of Dublin, of his Highness in free
soccage, to him and his heirs for ever.
A good gift this morning; a manor, park, house, and 4,000
acres, Irish measure:—large things.
Nobody spoke against the rider. The question put to pass
it and not one No. Some said in the gallery it was a good
rider. The word Develyn for Dublin . (fn. 4)
Sir William Strickland. I hope you will readily pass it;
for this gentleman has done you eminent service. It is not a
free gift, but for his arrears.
Sir John Reynolds. This is no great matter, not above
1,000l. worth. His arrears will amount to more. I desire
you would pass it. It is as little as can be.
Mr. Goodwin. This is less than his good service and
merit. There are 2,000 acres more in Connaught, I desire
that may be added. All is too little.
Colonel Markham. Those 2,000 acres are of very small
value. I desire they may be added. It is too little for his
Mr. Downing. I rise up more for ceremony's sake than
any thing else; but it is upon the foot of his good service,
and others, that we sit. What you have given here, is too
little for his good service. I desire it may pass.
Resolved, that the 2,000 acres be added, in all 6,000 acres.
Two Noes: Mr. Robinson and Major-General Lilburn.
Mr. Speaker told us of the business of the day.
Mr. Robinson said, there was a Bill concerning fish; and
desired it might be read.
Resolved, that this Bill do pass for a law.
Resolved, that his Highness's consent be desired thereunto.
The order of the day read; viz. to answer the letter.
Mr. Bodurda. Suspend the debate, in regard of your unfitness to sit, who have taken great pains in that chair. It
will be no recession from our judgment, nor dishonour to us,
to put off the debate for some time. I was as much against
the judgment as any man, yet none shall assert it higher than
myself, now that it is passed. I shall not recede from it;
but in the interim I would have the punishment suspended
for a week.
Majors-General Whalley. I know his Highness's principles
are far from countenancing any such wicked practices. I am
confident he is not against the sentence, but would go hand
in hand with us in bearing witness against such horrid things.
I am further satisfied that he intends not by his letter to offer
the least invasion upon the power of Parliament. I should
desire you would give leave that the jurisdiction of this House
might be spoken to. I doubt not but it may be fully made
out that what we have done is warrantable by former precedents. If the House of Lords and Star-chamber might pass
greater sentences, surely we may.
I desire that this business may be fully debated. It may
be justified, what you have done.
I was for punishing him by death: I am not ashamed to
own it, it was my conscience. I am no advocate for him. I
see no cause to abate any thing of his punishment. This will
bring the shame upon you, and clear and own him. But I
desire, till there be a satisfaction, to every man's conscience, as
to the jurisdiction, that you will suspend the punishment till
Tuesday, and connect my desires with that, that liberty might
also be given to speak to the jurisdiction.
Mr. Bond. I desire, for your ease, in regard you are not
well, that the House may be resolved into a Grand Committee,
and I doubt not but we shall give one another satisfaction.
Mr. Speaker. I am beholden to this gentleman; yet I
desire you would take no care for me till I complain myself.
Sir Gilbert Pickering. The punishment should be suspended. Otherwise, while debating the legality of the sentence,
the greatest part will be performed. I cannot see any such
inconveniency by reprieving for two or three days. I am
confident it will give all parties satisfaction.
Mr. Hussey. The motion that was first made was to suspend the execution for a week. It has been firsted and seconded. I desire it may be put to the question.
Mr. Robinson. I shall be pulled out of this House, before I shall condescend to speak to this jurisdiction. If
you preserve not that, which is salus populi, the privilege of
Parliament, you overthrow all the people's liberties. I shall
be loth to part with this privilege. I cannot haply, if I would.
We cannot give away the fountain. The streams cannot give
away the head. I would have this business seriously debated.
His Highness and we must be mild one to another. The
letter is very modest. The supreme judicatory is originally
in the people. The Instrument says, that the legislative
power shall be in a Parliament and a single person, but it
says not the supreme judicatory of the nation. The further
such debates are entered into, the worse.
Colonel Purefoy, Mr. Puller, and Mr. Moody. If you
reprieve this person, you must do it of yourselves. His
Highness does not desire it. We see the inconvenience of
reprieving him. Before, he was let out of Exeter goal, (fn. 5) and
what was the issue ? He rode in triumph, presently after, into
Bristol, (fn. 6) and this very week's reprieve has brought the mischief of people coming to worship him.
Mr. Downing. I am confident it is not in his heart to give
the least countenance to such persons. I know it is not his
intentions to have this punishment respited, and this, by the
importunity of such as are afraid of the consequence. I
would have us return this short answer to the letter, that we
take ourselves to be a Parliament, with all appurtenances;
and, therefore, we did it by our judicatory power, being the
supreme judicatory of the nation. When the letter came
in from the excluded members, the council was desired to
show the grounds and reasons why they were kept out. Their
short answer was this: they did it in pursuance of the Instrument of Government. (fn. 7) I desire the punishment may go on,
and you not recede from your judgment.
Mr. Waller. If you will not do it upon his Highness's
letter, do it for the petitioners On his behalf, (fn. 8) who were
honest men. Neither his Highness, nor they, did plead any
thing for the crime, but only to abate the punishment. It
was Christ's rule. He remitted the punishment, with owning
the crime. I shall not presume to know so much of his
Highness's intentions as that gentleman speaks of, but I believe he thinks himself concerned in the punishment, as tied
up by the Instrument. I shall not detain you, lest the sentence be executed while we are debating against, it.
Major-General Howard. Suspend the punishment, till
you have further debated it, and put the question to reprieve
the sentence. I believe that may give his Highness a present satisfaction, and agree with your health, by coming
soon to a question.
Lord Fiennes. I am not to reprieve the punishment upon
the account of the petitioners. That petition was of dangerous contents, to debar the civil magistrate in matters of religion. I hope we shall all bear our witness against such principles and practices. That is too much liberty. Nor need we
suspend it upon the account of his Highness's letter; for it
is not there desired of us. But, in regard we have had no return from the ministers, (fn. 9) it may well be suspended upon that
single account, and your health ought to be respected, which
will be best, by determining this question. You have mixed
mercy already with justice, and this is but an enlarging of that
mercy. It has been usual to demur, after judgments of this
nature passed, and provided that they should not be drawn
into precedent. It is safest for the people when least use is
made of the legislative power.
Mr. Bampfield. It is not for your honour to suspend the
execution, for you were misinformed before; and it was a
shame to affirm any such thing, as was openly spoken here,
that such severity was exercised upon him. (fn. 10) I desire you
would breed yourselves no more inconvenience, as to suffer
the people to worship him another week. That was all that
was gained by the reprieve. You hear no return of any
good answer from the ministers, but rather railing language, I
Colonel Markham. If this should pass in the affirmative,
you will do my Lord Protector the greatest dishonour that
ever was. He does abhor the crime. I am confident he does
not desire a reprieve. If he did not abhor it, for my part,
I would never serve him. It will be ill news through all the
three nations, to say that a letter came to us on the behalf of
a blasphemer. It is an abominable thing to hear such unjust
things informed to this House, as that of his whipping so
hard, or his being sick. I would have the merchant's wife
that reported it (fn. 11) sent for, and whipped. I am informed it
was quite otherwise. I tremble to consider it. I am confident the letter is mistaken. I desire you would be so tender
of your honour as to put that question.
Lord Lambert. Calmness better becomes this House. I
like not these reflections. I desire the gentleman may explain
himself. If any of this House have informed it.
Colonel Markham stood up to justify himself, and said
he reflected upon no member, but only upon the merchant's
wife. He believed he that told the House of it was so informed. He honoured the Parliament, and every member, &c.
The question being put, to suspend the punishment, the
House was divided by Mr. Highland: in the meantime the
Speaker retired, being very sick.
Yeas, 59, went out; Noes, 113, sate.
Tellers, Mr. Lucy and Colonel Throckmorton, for the
Colonel Jones and Captain Baynes, for the Yeas.
Resolved, that the punishment be not suspended.
Per Major-General Whalley and Sir Lislebone Long,
Resolved, that Mr. Edward Nevil have leave for a month.
Per Lord Fleetwood,
Resolved, that Mr. Blany, of Ireland, have the same leave.
Resolved, that Wednesday next be the day for private petitions.
Per Lord Lambert,
Resolved, that Major-General Howard and Mr. Swinton
have leave to go into the country, in regard his Highness has
occasions for them in his council at Scotland.
Lord Fiennes. Put off this debate till Friday, and read
the Bill for the Excise, upon Tuesday.
Sir William Strickland. Delay no time in giving his Highness satisfaction in the desires of his letter.
Resolved, that the House be adjourned till Tuesday.
Resolved, that the debate, touching the answer to his
Highness's letter be resumed that day.
Resolved, that the Committee for public faith have power
to send for papers, witnesses, and records.
Colonel Rouse reported amendments to the Bill for Elizabeth and Judith Terry to join with their father to let leases
of lands for twenty-one years, &c. (fn. 12)
Resolved, that this Bill be ingrossed.
A petition from the Cloth-workers of the west, referred to
the Committee of Trade.
The Committee for Mr. Scot and his wicked wife sat in
the painted chamber. Mr. Godfrey had the chair (who once
intended to have hanged her in the country.) (fn. 13) Both parties
appeared: she said, "How do you do, Mr. Scot ?" He answered little: no sweetheart, dear, nor angel. This Committee adjourned till this day se'nnight.
In the Exchequer Chamber sate the Committee for the
In the Inner Court of Wards, Mr. Aklam's Committee.
In the Queen's Court the Committee for Customs, and
upon the Bill for Excise.
This day B. (fn. 14) and I were to see Nayler's tongue bored
through, and him marked in the forehead. He put out his
tongue very willingly, but shrinked a little when the iron
came upon his forehead. He was pale when he came out of
the pillory, but high-coloured after tongue-boring. He was
bound with a cord by both arms to the pillory. Rich, the
mad merchant, sat bare at Nayler's feet all the time. Sometimes he sang and cried, and stroked his hair and face, and
kissed his hand, and sucked the fire out of his forehead. (fn. 15)
Nayler embraced his executioner, and behaved himself very
handsomely and patiently. A great crowd of people there;
the sheriff present, cum multis, at the Old Exchange, near the
Captain L., Mr. E., Colonel Carter, Colonel Bethel, and I
at the Sun, till six.