Tuesday, May 5, 1657.
The House being informed that Major Waring, a member
of Parliament, (fn. 1) was arrested in the city of London, by John
Browne, a serjeant at the. mace, belonging to Wood Street
Counter, and Nicholas Wolley, his yeoman, by the direction
of Ralph Grigge, an attorney of Clement's Inn, at the suit of
Harvey and Alston, (fn. 2)
Mr. Speaker. I move for your privilege.
Resolved, that Ralph Grigge, John Browne, Nicholas Wolley, Harvey and Alston, be sent for, in safe custody, as delinquents. (fn. 3)
Mr. Speaker moved to have the directions of the House
whether an ingrossed Bill should be opened.
The clerk was going to read Gloucester Bill.
Sir William Roberts. I move that you adhere to your
former vote, to admit of no business till this great business be
Mr. Godfrey. It is more honourable for you to proceed
than to sit and look upon one another. You are masters of
your own orders, and a dispensation is not a breach of your
Colonel Shapcott. It is for your honour to adhere to your
vote in a matter of this consequence.
The Master of the Rolls. You should proceed to no business till this is over; for his Highness has promised a
speedy and positive answer, without delay.
Mr. Nathaniel Bacon seconded the motion to adjourn.
Colonel Purefoy and Colonel Briscoe moved to proceed.
We were sent here to serve our country, and not to sit
looking upon another. It is an old saying, nulla dies sine
linea. Besides, you have admitted business since that order,
and you may dispense with your orders, at your pleasure.
Mr. Bampfield moved for a short Bill to be read for the
maintenance of a minister at—
But the question was called for to adjourn, which was put
Mr. Speaker declared for the Yeas: Mr. Tymbes excepted; the House was divided; we went out and were 47.
They sat and were 50. (fn. 4) So it passed in the negative. The
great lords were all absent.
The ingrossed Bill for Gloucester was read according to
the first motion made by the Master of the Rolls. The Bill
was very long. It was to settle 10,000l. worth of land in Ireland upon Anthony Edwards and others, in consideration of
their losses by fire, and other accidents, in the time of
war. (fn. 5)
The Master of the Rolls. The poor people, out of their
zeal for your cause, pulled down their houses without regard
to their goods. We desire not by this Bill to intrench upon
the rights of others, of any of the soldiery.
Lord Broghill. I have a great value for that town of
Gloucester, and none that serve for Ireland will repine at any
thing that the Parliament is pleased to do for that city; but
those lands in Ireland have been first settled upon by the
soldiers, who did you hard service. It was made out that
it would not satisfy a fifth part of what is justly due to them.
You have now confirmed the Act of the Little Parliament. (fn. 6)
I move that you would declare that you intend not to make
any intrenchment upon what was settled in relation to those
ends; that your poor army there may not be disappointed.
Major Aston. I second that motion, and offer a proviso to
secure the interests of the soldiers and adventurers there. I
am not against the Bill.
The proviso was read accordingly, and was to that purpose. (fn. 7)
Lord Broghill. This doth not answer my motion; for
this relates only to Acts and Ordinances of Parliament, but I
moved to confirm the orders of my Lord Protector and the
Mr. Speaker. I move, that the noble Lord would bring
in a proviso which would come fuller up to the ends propounded.
But he could not move otherwise.
Dr. Clarges. I move that this proviso may not be read
the second time; for this overthrows the Bill. There are
provisos sufficient to this purpose. The officers in Ireland
are better provided for than in any place else. One hundred
families are undone, if you pass not this. They have done
you the most eminent service of any body. Their check to
the King there, was the great means, under God, of your
quiet sitting here.
The Master of the Rolls. There is a clause in the Bill
which will help us as much as is convenient without this proviso. If you intend any thing to them but a bare show, I
desire you would not pass this proviso.
Mr. Speaker read the clause.
Major Aston. Put the difference between lands that were
allotted or given out, which the clause only related to, but
this proviso extends to lands not set out. Many lands are
not so much as surveyed.
Mr. Speaker. The clause is good so far as it goes; but it
comes short; for it takes not in lands not set forth or allotted,
and so the soldiery fall short of their security. On the other
hand, if you take in all set forth, or not set forth, you utterly
exclude the poor people from any relief.
The question being put for the proviso to be read the second time, it passed with the negative, nemine contradicente.
Lord Broghill offered another proviso, that it should not
extend to lands within the mile line of Connaught, which was
read accordingly. (fn. 8)
Dr. Clarges. This proviso is worse than the other; for
the mile line is all that the poor people can expect any thing
out of. The west of Connaught is designed for the Irish. I
move to lay it aside.
Major-General Whalley. I would have you to relieve the
poor people, but not out of other men's rights. I therefore
desire that it may pass with this proviso.
The Master of the Rolls. We are all in the dark. I would
have any body to inform us, if it be so, that all is designed
for the Irish out of the mile line; and, that excepted, this
gives them nothing at all.
I cannot forget that town of Gloucester, which, at such a
time, did so valiantly and gallantly do you service. I move
that the proviso be laid aside.
Colonel Sankey. I hope we all have a memorial upon our
hearts of the service of that city; and it is fit they should be
fully and gratefully rewarded. But if you give it from those
that have not that large satisfaction as is intimated, you are
likely to hear of it, what scanty satisfaction they have, and
you had not need take any thing from them. I move that
they may have satisfaction out of Galloway, and supply it out
of other towns and cities.
Mr. Highland. Other persons and places, as the city of
Chichester, (fn. 9) &c. deserve as much your justice and pity as
Gloucester, and that more want bread than they do. They
have a good trade. But if you give them any thing, make
it certain. Let not one clash with another; but appoint it
in some town, some corporation elsewhere. To do it in promiscuous terms will but create contest.
Mr. Bond. I move for Lord Broghill to be heard again,
to inform you about the designment of that county of Connaught.
Lord Broghill moved, that they might have satisfaction
within Galloway, which was certain, and unsettled upon by
any persons. This would be without contest. The city of
Galloway is the most regular city, and best fenced in all
Colonel Cooper. There may be 30,000l. raised out of the
city of Galloway, which would do a great deal more than
satisfy them. It is a fine and regular city, with good buildings, and without all exceptions.
Dr. Clarges, (fn. 10) (upon Mr. Westlake's motion.) Galloway
is the remotest city in Ireland, and is very poor; few inhabitants, but persons in the garrison. There will not 4000l.
be raised there. They are poor, and have no trading at all:
besides, the inhabitants of that city have articles, to come to
their own houses.
We had all this fully debated at the Committee.
Captain Mason moved, that the proviso might be read a
Mr. Hoskins moved, that the proviso might be corrected.
The question was put for the second reading of the proviso.
It passed in the affirmative.
The Master of the Rolls. I move that if this proviso pass,
you would except Galloway, for Galloway is part of Connaught.
Lord Broghill. I am a bad clerk, but I intended not a
surprise upon any. If a word will serve this amendment, I
am not against it.
Dr. Clarges moved, that the proviso might be rejected.
Major-General Jephson. We that served you in the heat of
the day were cast behind. Those that had the swords in their
hands after, got good satisfaction and were cast there. It was
not intended that the corporate towns should be accounted
part of the mile line. I would have Galloway and Athlone
excepted. I have done you as good service as another, but
had never a penny yet. I hope God and your justice will in
time repair me.
After some amendments (fn. 11) to the proviso, it was ordered to
be part of the Bill.
Mr. Speaker. I move to have it stitched to the Bill before
you pass it.
The Master of the Rolls. If you take it along with the
Bill without stitching, it is enough.
The Bill, with the proviso, passed accordingly.
The Master of the Rolls. His Highness has sent to the
Committee to meet him to-morrow afternoon: I therefore
move that you would give leave to your Committee to attend
his Highness, and to adjourn till Thursday.
Major-General Disbrowe. I move that, in respect the
question is double, you would divide it.
The question was put for the Committee attending his
Highness, which was ordered accordingly.
Mr. Speaker moved that he might put the question to adjourn.
Major-General Disbrowe. There is a short Bill before you
touching vagrants, which is ingrossed. I was informed, out
of Somersetshire, (fn. 12) that a sort of people, called Quakers, did
meet in numbers there; (fn. 13) and for want of that Bill, there
might be danger in it.
Mr. Bampfield. I am informed from my county (fn. 14) that the
Quakers grow numerous and dangerous, especially towards
the sea coast. I move that the Bill may be read.
Sir Christopher Pack. I move that the Bill may be read;
for if there is not a speedy course taken with them, they will
grow to a great height. (fn. 15)
Lord Howard, Mr. Bond, and Major-General Disbrowe.
Let the House be adjourned; for you ought not to make such
inroads and breaches in your orders. After some debate, the
question was put to have the Bill read.
Mr. Speaker declared for the Yeas.
Mr. Berkeley for the Noes.
So the House was divided. Noes went forth.
Noes 51. Lord Howard and Sir Thomas Parker, Tellers.
Yeas 90. Sir Thomas Pride and Colonel Beaumont, Tellers.
So it passed in the affirmative.
Resolved, that the Bill be now read.
The Act was to commence at the 1st of February last,
which time was elapsed.
Mr. Fowell. Unless you amend it in point of time, you
will have no fruit of it till February next. I move that it
may commence at the 1st of June.
That being thought too scanty, it was put for the 1st of
July; and the Bill, thus amended, passed nemine contradicente.
Colonel Carter offered the Report upon the Bill for the
Probate of Wills.
Lord Broghill. His Highness, some months since, acquainted the House with a design; and that some forces
might be raised, and that he had appointed a worthy member
of the House to command those forces; but has thought fit,
first, to acquaint you with his going. I move you would
please to give him leave. It is Sir John Reynolds.
Sir John Reynolds stood up, and put off his hat, and leave
was given him accordingly. (fn. 16)
Lord Howard. Do the House that right to put the former
question, to adjourn. You have stayed all this month under
the hopes of this day's dispatch. The same reason remains.
Major-General Disbrowe. Gentlemen should be satisfied
when they see that you have twice determined that you will
go on with business. It is not regular to move to adjourn.
Mr. Bond and Mr. Berkeley seconded the motion for adjournment, which was very regularly moved.
Sir Thomas Wroth moved against adjournment.
After some further debate, the question was put that the
question be now put for adjournment.
Mr. Speaker declared for the Yeas.
Colonel White for the Noes. So the House was divided,
and the Yeas carried it.
I was for the Yeas. Sir John Reynolds one of the Tellers. (fn. 17)
Some called it a sign of success. Yeas 85. Noes 61.
Being to go next morning out of town, for what was done
in the time I was away, viz.—from Wednesday 6, till Saturday 28 May, 57,—see the Journal.