DIE Jovis, 22 die Aprilis.
Domini præsentes fuerunt:
Comes Manchester, Speaker.
L. Viscount Hereford.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Sir J. Wood, a Pass to come Home.
Ordered, That Sir John Wood shall have a Pass, to
come into England, out of France.
Remedies for removing Obstructions in Church Government.
The Remedies for removing some Obstructions in
Church Government, brought Yesterday from the House
of Commons, were read the First Time; and the House
was adjourned into a Committee during Pleasure, to take
them into Consideration.
The House was resumed.
And the House thought fit to make some Alterations
therein, which were read: And then the several Remedies were read, with the Amendments particularly; and
Agreed to upon the Question, and Ordered to be
sent to the House of Commons for their Concurrence
Tryers of the Classis in London.
The Names of some Ministers to be added, as Tryers in some Classis in London, were read, and Agreed
to. (Here enter them.)
Propositions from the City, for lending 200,000l. for Ireland.
Next, the House was adjourned into a Committee
during Pleasure, to take into Consideration the Demands
of the City of London, for the Security of the Two
Hundred Thousand Pounds, and the Votes of the House
of Commons thereupon.
(Here enter the Demands.)
The House being resumed;
The First Vote was read, with an Alteration, and
Agreed to with the said Alteration.
The Second Vote was read; and, after Debate, Two
Questions were propounded:
"1. Whether this Vote shall be put as it came
from the House of Commons?
2. Whether this Amendment shall be made in
this Vote, ["relating only to the Monies;
Horse, and Plate, lent upon the Propositions
on the Public Faith"]?"
Then this Question was put, "Whether the First
Question shall be first put?"
It (fn. *) was Resolved in the Negative.
Then the Second Question was put.
And it was Resolved in the Affirmative.
The Third Vote, which came from the House of
Commons, was read, and Agreed to.
The Fourth Vote, which came from the House of
Commons, was read, and Agreed to.
The Fifth Vote, which came from the House of Commons, was read, and debated.
The Question being put, "Whether to agree to
this Vote as it is now brought up from the
House of Commons?"
It was Resolved in the Negative.
Ordered, To take into Debate To-morrow Morning the further Consideration of this Business.
Votes for flighting Garrisons, &c.
Ordered, That the Business concerning the Garrisons shall be taken into Consideration To-morrow
Tryers of the Classis in London.
"The Names of some Ministers to be added as
Tryers, in some of the Classes in the Province
of London, to supply the Defect of those that
were appointed by Ordinance, and are since
gone into the Country, or removed to some
||Mr. Haviland, of Trinity Parish.
Mr. John Barker of James Garlickehith.
||Mr. Robinson, of Mary Wolnoth.
||Mr. Christopher Love, of Hune Aldersgate.
||Mr. Symeon Ash, of Michaell Bashingshawe.
Mr. Thomas Cawton, of Bartholomew Exchange.
||Mr. Nanton, of Mary Newington.
||Mr. John Wallis, of Gabriell Fenchurch.
||Mr. John Rawlinson, of Lambeth.
||Mr. Thomas Gouge, of Sepulchers.
Mr. William Strong, of Dunstan's in the West."
Propositions from the City, for lending 200,000l. for the Service of Ireland.
"Commune Consilium tent. in Camera Guild. Civitatis London, 17 Die April. 1647.
"This Court having received a Proposition from both
Houses of Parliament, by several Members thereof,
for the borrowing of Two Hundred Thousand Pounds,
for the Service of England and Ireland, upon the
Security of the Remainder of the Bishops Lands, as
it was formerly given, with the collateral Security of
the Excise in Course, Papists and Delinquents Estates
in Arms excepted from Pardon, and any other Security as is in the Power of the Parliament, and not
already engaged, except the Ordinance now in passing
for the raising of the Monthly Sum of Sixty Thousand Pounds for the Service of the Forces of England
and Ireland, do humbly return this Answer:
"1. That, in their Opinion, the best Way and
readiest Means for the speedy advancing of this Two
Hundred Thousand Pounds, propounded to be borrowed by the Parliament, is, to secure to the Lenders a like Sum more, as was lately done unto those
who advanced the Two Hundred Thousand Pounds
for our Brethren of Scotland.
"2. More particularly, that they conceive it would
be an Encouragement to the Lenders, and a Furtherance to the Service, to secure unto those who shall
now lend any Monies upon this Proposition, the Loans
and Disbursements following:
"1. The Monies paid upon the Ordinance for
raising Fifty Subsidies, which Monies were employed for the Public Service, and all other
Sums lent upon the latter Expedition into
Kent, upon the Second Commotion there, for
which the City Seal stands yet engaged, together with the Interest arising upon both
Loans since the advancing thereof.
"2. All Monies, Plate, or Horses, with their Furniture and Arms, advanced upon the Public
Faith or Propositions, and all Monies advanced towards the Loan of Thirty Thousand
Pounds in or about November, 1642, and of
Forty Thousand Pounds in or about April,
1643, and of Twenty-three Thousand Pounds
in and about May, 1643, not already re-paid,
together also with Interest due thereupon.
"3. All Monies lent towards the Raising of the Fifty
Thousand Pounds, borrowed for the Service of
Ireland, in or about November, 1641, with the
Interest likewise due upon the same.
"4. All Monies lent in the Year 1641 (which
are yet unpaid), upon the Security of the
Act of Parliament for the speedy raising of
Monies, for disbanding the Armies, and settling the Peace of the Two Kingdoms of England and Scotland, with the Interest arising
"As for Example;
"If there be owing to any Person, for any
of the Services aforesaid, One Hundred
Pounds Principal, which, with Interest
for Four Years past, will make One Hundred Thirty-two Pounds, he, adventuring One Hundred Thirty-two Pounds
more, may be secured for the whole Two
Hundred Sixty-four Pounds; and so proportionably for a greater or lesser Sum; and
according to the Interest due thereupon.
"3. Because many poor and decayed Citizens, and
other Persons, cannot double the Monies they are
and have been so many Years out of Purse, upon
the Propositions and the Public Faith; they conceive it very equal, that now some Course should be
taken for their Satisfaction; and humbly propound,
That, if the Parliament would please to add Thirty
Thousand Pounds more to the present Proposition of
Two Hundred Thousand Pounds, to be presently
raised, and secured in like Manner as the said Two
Hundred Thousand Pounds, it would redound to the
Honour of the Parliament, be a very charitable
Work, and conduce very much to the Furtherance of
the whole Service; the same Thirty Thousand Pounds
to be also presently raised, and (by a Committee appointed by this Court) to be divided amongst such
poor and decayed Citizens, and other Persons, as they
shall find most to stand in Need thereof, not exceeding
Ten Pounds Principal to any One Person, besides the
Interest due upon the same.
"4. That, for the Security and Re-payment of this
Two Hundred and Thirty Thousand Pounds presently
to be raised, and as much more to be secured as aforesaid, and the future Interest after Eight Pounds per
Cent. arising upon the Whole; they conceive, according as is propounded from both Houses, that
the several Securities hereafter named, are the most
fitting to be given, and will be the most probable Way
to raise this Money:
"1. The Fines and Compositions of Delinquents
already made, but not received, or hereafter
to be made, at Gouldsmiths Hall, or otherwhere, in Course; and in the Interim, the
Rents and Profits of the Lands and Estates of
such Delinquents till their Composition be
"2. The Remainder of the Proceed (fn. *) of the Bishops
Lands, after they shall be clear of the present Engagements.
"3. The Receipts of the Grand Excise, in Course.
"4. The Lands and Estates of Papists in Arms, and
Delinquents excepted from Pardon; their just
Debts, made before the First of April, 1642,
being first paid.
"5. That the Interest of this whole Sum of Four
Hundred and Sixty Thousand Pounds, or so much as
from Time to Time shall be due upon such Principal
as shall rest unsatisfied out of the Securities last before named, be paid every Six Months, out of the
Receipts of the Grand Excise, till Principal and Interest be fully discharged.
"6. That, during this Treaty upon the Proposition
aforesaid, and until all Matters be fully agreed and
perfected thereupon, neither the Receipts at Gouldsmiths Hall, nor of the Excise, be further anticipated, charged, or engaged.
"7. That it may be lawful for any Person to assign his
Right and Interest in any Sum or Sums of Money
owing unto him upon the several Particulars before
recited, or any of them, to any Person or Persons
that will advance the like Sum, in Manner as is before expressed.
"8. That, for the better Encouragement of the Lenders, Treasurers may be named by the Common Council, to receive and pay these Monies; and that the
same be not issued out, but only for the disbanding
of the Army, and for the Service of Ireland, and for
the decayed Citizens and other poor Persons, as before
"9. That a Committee of Citizens and others, being
Adventurers for Ireland, may be chosen amongst
themselves; and that they may be consulted with by
such Committees of Parliament as shall be appointed
for providing Necessaries for Irel. to the End the
Monies may be laid out to the best Advantage for the
Service of that Kingdom.