House of Lords Journal Volume 9
15 June 1647

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 9: 15 June 1647', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 9: 1646 (1767-1830), pp. 265-268. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37060 Date accessed: 28 November 2014.


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DIE Martis, 15 die Junii.
Answer from the H. C. E. of Holland versus Young and Symonds, for keeping Possession of Windsor Lodge. Letter from the Commissioners with the Army. Message to the H. C. with an Answer to it, for their Concurrence. Letter from the Commissioners with the Army, that Sir T. Fairfax has complained to them of some Votes, encouraging the Soldiers to leave the Army, and of the Levies making in London, which he apprehends are to act in Opposition to the Army. Adjourn. Post Meridiem. Examination about the Act forged by Morris & al. Message from the H. C. for Colonel Moore to be Governor of Hereford. Answer. Message from the H. C. with Votes for removing the King's Person; that Colonel Ponsonby and his Regiment will go to Ireland; and about the Ordinance to raise Money for the Forces. Answer. Letters to Sir T. Fairfax, and the Commissioners with the Army. Message from the H. C. with a Vote for paying Colonel Greaves and his Regiment. Answer. L. Willoughby, a Pass to France. Colonel Ponsonby's Propositions, for a Regiment to serve in Ireland. Vote for paying Colonel Greaves and his Regiment. Colonel Moore to be Governor of Hereford. Letter to the Commissioners with the Army, to learn what the Desires of the Army are, and to press their not coming nearer London. The King to be brought to Richmond; Commissioners to receive Him; Guards to attend Him. Cougham to be instituted to Blofield. Letter to Sir T. Fairfax, with the Votes for delivering the King. Letter to the Commissioners with the Army, with these Votes, &c. Footnotes

DIE Martis, 15 die Junii.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Ash.

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Midd.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Suffolke.
L. Viscount Hereford.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Northumb.
Ds. North.
Ds. Maynard.
Ds. Robertes.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Dacres.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Berkley.
Ds. Wharton.

Answer from the H. C.

Mr. Sadler and Mr. Hakewill return this Answer from the House of Commons:

That concerning the Petition of the Reduced Officers and Soldiers, they will take it into speedy and serious Consideration.

E. of Holland versus Young and Symonds, for keeping Possession of Windsor Lodge.

This Day Colonel Farr deposed, upon Oath, "That it was a Man that shot the Gun at the Earl of Holland, in Windsor Parke; and that a Young Woman in the House bid him shoot."

Upon Report from the Committee which examined the Business of the Earl of Holland's Complaint against Younge and Shemonds, "That it appearing to them, that Younge and Shemonds did procure a Grant from the King at Oxford, about Two Years ago, for keeping the Great Park at Windsor; therefore their Opinion is, That the said Younge and Shemonds be sequestered as Delinquents:"

It is Ordered, That the Proofs of the Fact, as they were represented to this House, may be transmitted to the Committee of Berks for Sequestrations; and this House leaves it to them, to proceed against the said Younge and Shemonds, according to the Ordinance for Sequestrations.

Letter from the Commissioners with the Army.

A Letter from the Earl of Nottingham and Lord La Warr, was read. (Here enter it.)

Message to the H. C. with an Answer to it, for their Concurrence.

Ordered, That a Letter be written to the Commissioners, in Answer to this Letter, according to the Sense of the House; and that the Earl of Manchester do prepare a Draught of it, and present it to this House presently: Which accordingly was done, and presented to the House; and read, and Agreed to; and Ordered to be sent to the House of Commons, for their Concurrence: Which was presently done, by Mr. Sadler and Mr. Hakewill.

Letter from the Commissioners with the Army, that Sir T. Fairfax has complained to them of some Votes, encouraging the Soldiers to leave the Army, and of the Levies making in London, which he apprehends are to act in Opposition to the Army.

"For the special Service of the Parliament.

"For the Right Honourable Edward Earl of Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peers. These.

"Haste Haste, Post Haste.

"May it please your Lordship,

"Yesterday, after we had dispatched our Messenger to you, as we went to the Sermon in the Afternoon, the General did acquaint us, that some of those Foot of the Army that had listed themselves for Ireland, and were drawn down towards Wor'stersheir, had signified to him a Desire to return to the Army by Name those of Colonel Fortescue's Regiment; and had desired of the General a Party of Horse, to assist them in their March towards the Army. About Five of the Clock this Night, the General came to our Lodgings, and acquainted us, That, by our Instructions, we were to preserve a good Understanding between the Parliament and the Army; and that, whilst we were here in that Service, a printed Vote of both Houses, without his Knowledge or Privity, is conveyed and dispersed with great Diligence into all the Regiments of the Army; which Vote, as he told us, was to this Effect: That such Soldiers as should forsake the Army should have the Benefit of the former Votes of both Houses, touching the full Pay of the Common Soldier; which may beget some Disorder in the Army, and doth draw the Soldiers into a very great Suspicion and Jealousy, what is intended by our Endeavours here.

"The General, at the same Time, did further acquaint us, That the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Common Council of the City, had sent a Committee of theirs to him and the Army, who, by their Expressions, do endeavour to possess the Army with their great Desires of Peace, and of their having a good Opinion of the Army; and yet Letters have come into the Army, amongst the Common. Soldiers, from their Correspondents at London, certifying them of their great Preparations there, as the listing of Horsemen to very considerable Numbers; and that the Soldiers here do apprehend themselves to be betrayed by their Officers, that they should thus lie still, whilst such Preparations are making against them; and that the Soldiers do apprehend these Preparations to be made, not with the Knowledge of the Houses, nor of the City, but by some Committee in a Private Way; and that, if these Preparations were only intended to suppress Tumults and Disorders that might arise about the Parliament or City, the Trained Bands were sufficient, and more likely to preserve their Peace than those new Levies, consisting of Persons (as they understand) whose Interests lay in Troubles. The General did desire us to represent these Things to the Parliament. We did then acquaint the General, "That as touching the Vote, no such were come from the Houses or otherwise unto us, or Direction to disperse them; and as to the Levies, we told the General, that it might be that some Things in order to the Safety of the Parliament and City might be done, seeing the Army was come nearer the City than Twenty-five Miles; and, whilst we were at such a Distance, Things might be misrepresented on both Sides." About an Hour after this, the Committee from the Common Council gave us a Visit, and informed us, "That the End of their coming was, to preserve a good Understanding between the City and the Army; and that, since their coming hither, they found the Soldiery possessed, that great Preparations and Levies were made against them about London, to the Effect the General had formerly (fn. *) acquainted us; which, they did assure us, whatever was done of that Kind, was without the Consent of the Common Council; and that the Common Council did unanimously detest a new War, or any Thing that might give just Offence to the Army." We have Hourly all this Day expected from the General an Answer to our additional Instruction; but, by reason of the coming down of the Committee of Common Council, it is not yet come: But we hear it is in a great Forwardness; and we hope to receive it this Night before we go to Bed, whereof we shall give you an Account with all Diligence. So rest

St. Albans, 14th of June, 1647, 10 at Night.

"Your Lordship's

"Most humble and faithful Servants,

"C. Nottingham.
La Warr."

"We understand that the Soldiery grows impatient with the Relations that come every Hour, of the Levies that are made in and about London (as they conceive) against them; that, unless we receive from you by To-morrow Night something that may give Satisfaction herein, we fear they may speedily march nearer towards London."

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 3 post Meridiem.

Post Meridiem.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Salawey.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Mulgrave.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Maynard.
Ds. Robertes.

Examination about the Act forged by Morris & al.

Ordered, That the Writings, sealed up in a Black Box, which were found hid in the House of John Morris, alias Pointz, concerning the Discovery of the Forgery of an Act of Parliament, shall be delivered to Mr. Hakewill, and an Inventory thereof to be taken of them; and Parties of both Sides to have Resort to them, and peruse them, and take Copies of such as shall be desired on both Sides; and the Originals to be produced at the Hearing of the Cause.

Message from the H. C. for Colonel Moore to be Governor of Hereford.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Harley Knight:

To desire Concurrence, that Colonel Samuell Moore be hereby appointed Governor of the Castle of Hereford.

Agreed to.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House agrees to the Vote now brought up.

Message from the H. C. with Votes for removing the King's Person;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Denzell Holles Esquire:

1. To desire Concurrence in certain Votes concerning the Removal of the King's Person; and that a Letter be sent to Sir Tho. Fairefax, with these Votes inclosed.

(Here enter them.)

Agreed to, and Ordered to be printed and published.

that Colonel Ponsonby and his Regiment will go to Ireland;

2. To acquaint their Lordships with the Propositions of Colonel Ponsonby, for his Regiment to go for Ireland: (Here enter them.) And that it may be referred to the Committee at Derby House for Irish Affairs, to grant Commissions to his Officers.

Agreed to.

and about the Ordinance to raise Money for the Forces.

3. To put their Lordships in Mind of the Ordinance for Sixty Thousand Pounds per Mensem, for the Forces for Ireland and England.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House agrees to the several Votes concerning the King's Person, and also to the Propositions concerning Colonel Ponsonbie's Regiment, and the Committee at Derby House to give them Commissions: To the rest, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Letters to Sir T. Fairfax, and the Commissioners with the Army.

Two Letters were drawn up by the Speaker:

1. To the General.

2. Another to the Commissioners at the Army.

Which were read, and Agreed to; and sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Sadler and Mr. Hakwill.

Ordered, That the Letter shall be sent to the Commissioners only from this House, which was intended this Morning to be sent in the Name of both Houses.

(Here enter it.)

Message from the H. C. with a Vote for paying Colonel Greaves and his Regiment.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Denzell Holles:

To desire Concurrence in a Vote concerning the Paying of Colonel Graves and his Regiment. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House agrees to this Vote.

L. Willoughby, a Pass to France.

Ordered, That the Lord Willoughby shall have a Pass, to go into France, with Servants, and his necessary Apparel.

Colonel Ponsonby's Propositions, for a Regiment to serve in Ireland.

The Propositions of Colonel Ponsonby, concerning the Raising of a Regiment of Horse for the Service of Ireland.

"He propounds,

"That he will have Seven Hundred Horsemen, well mounted, with Pistols and Saddles, ready within Twenty Days to be transported for that Service, after he shall have received One Month's Pay; to be under the Command of a Colonel, Major, and Seven Captains.

"That they will be at such Rendezvous as the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland at Derby House shall appoint.

"Upon Condition,

"1. That he may have Two Months Pay, One Month presently, within Twenty Days after the Receipt whereof the Seven Hundred Horse to be ready; and One other Month's Pay when they are on Shipboard.

"2. That their Transportation may be at the Charge of the State.

"3. That he may be furnished, at the Charge of the State, with One Hundred Pair of Pistols with Holsters, One Hundred Saddles, and Two Hundred and Fifty Defensive Arms, and a Chirurgeon's Chest.

"4. That he may have Twelve Pence per Diem for each Trooper, during all the Time that they shall be ready at the Water-side, and shall stay there, in Expectancy either of Wind and Weather, or of Shipping for their Transportation.

"5. That he may have Commissions for all his Officers."

"The Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled do approve of and agree to the Propositions aforesaid of Colonel Ponsonbye's."

Vote for paying Colonel Greaves and his Regiment.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That it be referred to the Committee for Irish Affairs at Derby House, to take Care for the Pay of Colonel Greves, and of his Officers and Soldiers, that are come off from the Army, in like Manner as was appointed for such Officers and Soldiers as formerly came off from the Army."

Colonel Moore to be Governor of Hereford.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Colonel Samuell Moore be hereby appointed Governor of the Castle of Hereford."

Letter to the Commissioners with the Army, to learn what the Desires of the Army are, and to press their not coming nearer London.

"My Lords,

"The Lords in Parliament have received your Letter of the 14th Instant; and they have commanded us to let you know, Their Desire is, that you press your last additional Instruction, that so they may have an Answer thereunto with all possible Speed. They have further commanded us to signify unto you, That they know not of any new extraordinary Levies made against the Army. They desire you still to insist, that the Army, nor any Part of it, be quartered nearer the City of London, in regard of the many Inconveniences that may thereby fall upon the Parliament and City. They give you Thanks for your Care in Observance of all their Commands.

Westm. 15 Junii, 1647.

"Your.

"For the Right Honourable the Earl of Nott. and the Lord La Warr, Commissioners now with the Army. These.

"Haste Haste, Post Haste."

The King to be brought to Richmond;

Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the General be required to deliver the Person of the King to such Persons as both Houses shall appoint, to be placed at Richmond, under such Guards, and in such Manner, as they shall think fit, to the Intent that the Propositions agreed upon by both Kingdoms may be speedily presented unto His Majesty, for the settling of a safe and well-grounded Peace."

Commissioners to receive Him;

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Persons to whom the General is required to deliver the Person of the King, to be placed at Richmond, shall be the Commissioners formerly appointed to receive the Person of the King at Newcastle, or any Three of them."

Guards to attend Him.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Guards appointed to receive the Orders and Directions of the Commissioners, in attending and guarding the Person of the King, shall be Colonel Rosseter and his Regiment."

Cougham to be instituted to Blofield.

Ordered, That Doctor Heath, or his lawful Deputy, do give Institution and Induction unto Rob't Cougham Clerk, Master of Arts, to the Rectory of Blofeild, in the County of Norff.; void by Lapse salvo Jure cujuscunque; he taking the National League and Covenant, and producing his Presentation under the Great Seal.

Letter to Sir T. Fairfax, with the Votes for delivering the King.

"SIR,

"We are commanded, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, to send unto you these inclosed Votes; desiring your Observance of them with all Speed. This is all that we have in Command."

Letter to the Commissioners with the Army, with these Votes, &c.

"My Lords,

"I have, by Command of the Lords in Parliament assembled, sent unto Sir Thomas Fairefax these inclosed Votes; the which as soon as they shall come into your Hands, the Houses do expect your Care to see them fully observed, as far as in you lies. This is all I have in Command."

Footnotes

* Origin. had acquainted.