House of Lords Journal Volume 9
16 June 1647

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 9: 16 June 1647', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 9: 1646 (1767-1830), pp. 268-272. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37061 Date accessed: 02 October 2014.


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DIE Mercurii, 16 die Junii.
Answer from the H. C. Colonel Andrews's Petition. Account of the Proceedings of the Commissioners with the Army. Committee of Safety to give an Account of their Proceedings. Sir T. Cheek and Sir H. Mildinay. Letter from the Committee with the Army. Committee at Derby House to give Commissions for Governors. Message to the H. C. about the Approbation of Governors. for the Committee at Derby House, to give them Commissions; and about Sir T. Hampson. Vaughan to be instituted to Llanyms. Colonel Andrews's Petition, for a Writ of Error, to reverse an Outlawry for killing Phelps; nobody appearing to prosecute. Letter from the Committee with the Army, that they have sent up the Desires of the Army. Letter from them, inclosing a Representation from the Army, containing their Desires. Adjourn. Post Meridiem. Ducy, a Pass. Horses to be exported for the Princess of Orange; and for Sir R. Stone. Ordinance to indemnify Officers who have left the Army. Sir P. Killegrew to attend the Commissioners with the King, with a Letter. Message from the H. C. with Ordinances, &c. Answer. Message from the H. C. with a Vote to revoke an Order of the Committee, joined with the One for the City Militia: Protest against it: And to revoke the One for assembling Forces. Answer. Order for 1200l. for Relief of sick and maimed Soldiers. Order for adding 22,000l. to the former 5000l. for the Officers. Order for Six Weeks Pay to the Officers in Commission, whose Accompts have been stated. Order for adding 5000l. more to the 5000l. for the Private Soldiers. Order for the Auditors and Collectors to attend the Payment of the Money to the Officers. Order for a Month's Pay to the Officers mentioned in Four Lists. Order for reimbursing 27,000l. issued for Officers to Weavers Hall, out of the Excise. Order for a Month's Pay to the Officers in Commission that are attending, whose Accompts are not yet stated, on producing Certificates. Order for Commissions for Colonel Ponsonby's Regiment. Order for reimbursing 5000l. issued for the Private Soldiers, to Weavers Hall, out of the Excise. Order for Col. Birch to have the Public Faith, for 4907l. 7s. 4d. Order for Mr. Knight to have the Public Faith, for 1050l. Orders of the Committee of Safety, for drawing Forces together, annulled; and for raising Forces. Adjourn. Footnotes

DIE Mercurii, 16 die Junii.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Calamy.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Midd.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Denbigh.
L. Viscount Hereford.
Ds. North.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Berkeley.

Answer from the H. C.

Dr. Aylett and Mr. Hakewill return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That they agree to those Letters, to be sent to Sir Tho. Fairefax and the Commissioners at the Army.

Colonel Andrews's Petition.

Upon reading the Petition of Lieutenant Colonel Edward Andrewes: (Here enter it.)

It is Ordered, That it be referred to the Judges, or any Two of them, calling to them some of the King's Counsel, to consider of a fitting Way, to give the Petitioner Relief, according to his Desire.

Account of the Proceedings of the Commissioners with the Army.

The Lord Lawarr this Day gave an Account to the House of his Employment to the Army, which was contained in a Representation inclosed in a Letter from the Earl of Nottingham; which were read, as follow.

(Here enter them.)

Committee of Safety to give an Account of their Proceedings.

Ordered, That the Members of this House, that are of the Committee that is to advise with the Militia of the City of London, shall give an Account to this House, what is already done by that Committee; and for the future, shall daily give an Account to this House, what is done every Day.

Sir T. Cheek and Sir H. Mildinay.

Ordered, That the Cause between Sir Thomas Cheeke and Sir Henry Mildmay shall be heard the next Tuesday after the next Term.

Letter from the Committee with the Army.

Another Letter from the Earl of Nottingham, was read. (Here enter it.)

Committee at Derby House to give Commissions for Governors.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Committee at Derby House for the Irish Affairs shall have Power to give Commissions to such Persons as both Houses have approved of, to be Governors of the Garrisons.

Message to the H. C. about the Approbation of Governors.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Doctor Aylett and Mr. Hakewill:

1. To let them know to whom this House hath approved of, to be Governors of Garrisons, and to whom not.

for the Committee at Derby House, to give them Commissions;

2. To desire their Concurrence, that, in regard of the Exigency of Time, that the Committee for the Irish Affairs sitting at Derby House may have Power to grant Commissions to such as the Houses have approved of, to be Governors of Garrisons.

and about Sir T. Hampson.

3. To put them in Mind of Sir Thomas Hampson's Business.

Vaughan to be instituted to Llanyms.

Ordered, That Doctor Aylett, or his lawful Deputy, are hereby authorized and required to give Institution and Induction unto Edward Vaughan Clerk, Master of Arts, unto the Vicarage of Llanyms, in Com. Denbigh, void by the Death of the last Incumbent, salvo Jure cujuscunque; he taking the National League and Covenant, and producing his Presentation thereunto under the Great Seal of England.

Colonel Andrews's Petition, for a Writ of Error, to reverse an Outlawry for killing Phelps; nobody appearing to prosecute.

"To the Right Honourable the Lords in Parliament assembled.

"The Humble Petition of Lieutenant Colonel Edward Andrewes;

"Sheweth,

"That your Petitioner was, on the First of March last, accused before the Lord Mayor of London (and bound over to the Sessions), for killing of one John Phelps about Fourteen Years since, although he was never therefor before impeached; though also the same is affirmed to have been done in Drewry Lane, the Place of your Petitioner's constant Abode for above these Twelve Years last past, until his Engagement in the Public Service of the State, either as Major to the Lord St. John, or Lieutenant Colonel to Sir Thomas Essex.

"But, may it please your Honours, upon his Appearance at the Sessions (though the Prosecutors came not in against him), he could not but remain committed, by reason of an old Outlawry against him, as is alledged, for the supposed Killing of the said Phelps; under which Outlawry he must continue a very disconsolate Prisoner, and remediless, except it will please this Honourable House to authorize Mr. Solicitor General to grant a Warrant, for issuing forth a Writ of Error, for the Reversing of that Outlawry, that so he may be brought to Trial according to Law: Which he doth humbly pray.

"And ever shall pray for good Success to your Parliamentary Proceedings."

Letter from the Committee with the Army, that they have sent up the Desires of the Army.

"For the special Service of the Parliament.

"For the Right Honourable Edward Earl of Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peers. These.

"May it please your Lordship,

"I have received your Lordship's Letter of the 15th of June, about Ten of the Clock the last Night; and as to the additional Instruction, your Lordship will perceive, by our Dispatch sent Yesterday, by the Lord La Warr, Colonel White, and Mr. Povey, to the Houses, that we have obeyed your Commands. We have also assured the General and his Officers, that no Levies are made against them, by both or either House of Parliament; concerning the Removal of the Army nearer the City of London, I shall acquaint them with your Lordship's Commands; and let them know, your Lordships do expect their ready Obedience: To which so soon as I shall receive their Answer, it shall be sent up with Speed, from

"Your Lordship's humble Servant,

St. Albons, 16th of June, 1647.

"C. Nottingham."

Letter from them, inclosing a Representation from the Army, containing their Desires.

"To the Right Honourable Edward Earl of Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peers. These.

"May it please your Lordship,

"As we signified to you by ours late last Night, we were in Hopes then to have received from the Army what it was they desired and would insist upon; and to that End, somewhat after Twelve of the Clock, the General sent unto us, and prayed us to sit up some Time, for that he would speedily send us the Answer: In Expectation whereof, such of us as were not before gone to Bed did stay up; but it came not. Whereupon, this Morning early, we did attend the General; who excused his not sending last Night, by some Mistakes in the Transcribing that could not be soon amended; but that we should have it forthwith.

"About Eleven of the Clock this Day, Lieutenant General Hamond and Four Colonels of the Army came to us from the General Commanders and Soldiers of the Army; and presented to us the Representation, and desired us to send the same with all Speed to the Parliament; which here inclosed we present.

"We likewise sent to know, whether in this Representation were contained all the Particulars that the Army did desire and would insist upon; to which, from the General, by Colonel Hamond and other Officers, this Answer was returned: That the Sum and Bottom of the Desires of the Army are delivered in the Representation; only there remains some Head tending to the clearing of the Representation, which shall be within Three Hours brought to the Commissioners, and sent to you from

"Your Lordship's humble Servants,

St. Albones, 15 Junii, 1647, Two of the Clock in the Afternoon.

"C. Nottingham. La Warr."

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 4a post Meridiem.

Post Meridiem.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Ash.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Northumberland.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Lincolne.
L. Viscount Hereford.
Comes Warwick.
Comes Middlesex.
Ds. La Warr.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Maynard.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Berkley.
Ds. Wharton.

Ducy, a Pass.

Ordered, That Mr. Ducy shall have a Pass, to go into France, with a Servant.

Horses to be exported for the Princess of Orange;

Ordered, That a Pass shall be granted, for transporting Four Horses into Holland, for the Princess of Orange.

and for Sir R. Stone.

Ordered, That Sir Robert Stone shall have a Pass, to transport into Holland Two Horses, or Geldings, for his own Use, Custom-free.

Ordinance to indemnify Officers who have left the Army.

An Ordinance was reported from the Committee, for Indemnity of such Officers as have come off from the Army under the Command of Sir Thomas Fairefax; and read Thrice, and Agreed to; and Ordered to be sent to the House of Commons for Concurrence.

Sir P. Killegrew to attend the Commissioners with the King, with a Letter.

Ordered, That Sir Peter Killegrew be sent, to see how the Commissioners with the King are, and whether they want any Thing; and a Letter to be written from the Speakers to them, in the Name of the Houses.

Message from the H. C. with Ordinances, &c.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Thomas Dacres Knight, &c.; who brought up several Orders and Ordinances, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence:

1. An Order to the Committee concerning Woods, to pay Twelve Hundred Pounds to sick and maimed Soldiers.

(Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

2. An Order to pay Twenty-seven Thousand Pounds, out of Weavers Hall, to Officers. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

3. An Order for Six Weeks Pay to the Officers in Commission, whose Accompts have been stated.

(Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

4. An Order for adding Five Thousand Pounds more to the Five Thousand Pounds to the Private Soldiers.

(Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

5. An Order for desiring divers Colonels and the Auditors to see the Issuing of the Twenty five Thousand Pounds to the Officers. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

6. An Order for a Month's Pay to the Officers mentioned in the Four Lists brought in about November last.

(Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

7. An Order for the Reimbursing Twenty-seven Thousand Pounds to Weavers Hall, out of the Excise.

(Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

8. An Order for a Month's Pay to the Officers in Commission that are now attending in this Town, whose Accompts are not yet stated. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

9. An Order concerning Colonel Ponsonbye's Regiment. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

10. An Order for reimbursing unto Weavers Hall Five Thousand Pounds, out of the Excise.

(Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

11. An Order for Colonel Birch to * have the Public Faith, for Four Thousand Nine Hundred Seven Pounds, Seven Shillings, and Four Pence.

(Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

12. An Order for Mr. Francis Knight to have the Public Faith, for One Thousand Fifty Pounds.

(Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House agrees to all the Particulars now brought up.

Message from the H. C. with a Vote to revoke an Order of the Committee, joined with the One for the City Militia:

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Bois;

To desire Concurrence in divers Particulars:

1. To revoke an Order made by the Committee of Lords and Commons, and the Committee of the Militia of London, of the 12th Instant. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to, upon the Question.

Protest against it:

Memorandum, That, before the putting this Question, the Earl of Lyncolne desired Leave of the House to enter his Dissent to it, if it were carried against his Vote: Which accordingly he did.

"T. Lyncolne."

And to revoke the One for assembling Forces.

2. To revoke the Orders made by the Committee of Lords and Commons, for the drawing together any of the Forces of the several Counties. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to, upon the Question.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House agrees in the Two Orders now brought up.

Ordered, That the Two abovesaid Votes shall be printed and published.

Order for 1200l. for Relief of sick and maimed Soldiers.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the Committee concerning Woods be enjoined to sit; and to issue their Order forthwith to the Committee at Salters Hall, for the present Payment of the Remainder of the Twelve Hundred Pounds, formerly ordered to be paid, for the Relief of the sick and wounded Soldiers not yet paid; and the said Committee at Salters Hall are hereby enjoined forthwith to pay the same unto Mr. Pockock, Mr. Greenhill, and the rest of the Treasurers for maimed Soldiers, to be paid to Doctors, Apothecaries, and Chirurgeons, for Medicaments, and for Cure of the sick and maimed Soldiers."

Order for adding 22,000l. to the former 5000l. for the Officers.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Sum of Two and Twenty Thousand Pounds, to make the Five Thousand Pounds formerly charged upon Weavers Hall Seven and Twenty Thousand Pounds, be paid, by Alderman Bunce and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, unto Mr. Pocock, Mr. Greenhill, and the rest of the Treasurers at Christ's Church; to be issued, Five and Twenty Thousand Pounds thereof according to the Intent and Purport of Three particular Ordinances, of the same Date with this Ordinance; the remaining Two Thousand Pounds for One Month's Pay to those of the Northern Officers now in Town that are comprehended within the List of the Northern Officers to whom the Seventeen Thousand Pounds is granted and charged upon the Receipts of the Grand Excise, in Course, with Interest; to the Dutch Officers comprehended in the late List; to the Scotts Officers mentioned in the Second List; to be accounted as Part of the Monies assigned to these several Officers of the Northern Association, of the Dutch List, and of the Second Scotts List; and likewise for One Month's Pay to James Pittson late Scoutmaster General to the Army under the Command of Sir Wm. Waller: And it is further Ordered, That the Acquittance or Acquittances of the said Mr. Pocock and Mr. Greenhill, and the rest of the Treasurers at Christ's Church, shall be a sufficient Warrant and Discharge to the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, for the Payment of the said Twenty-seven Thousand Pounds accordingly."

Order for Six Weeks Pay to the Officers in Commission, whose Accompts have been stated.

Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Treasurers at Christ Church do, upon Thursday next, pay unto the Officers in Commission, who have attended in this Town, and have their Accompts stated by the Authority of Parliament, though not according to the Instructions lately published, and have received no Money thereupon, Six Weeks Pay, according to the Establishment of the Army under the Command of Sir Thomas Fairefax, and indorse the same, so paid, upon every such Accompt; provided that this extend not to the Officers who are already otherwise provided for by Order of both or either of the Houses of Parliament: And it is further Ordered and Declared, That such Officers whose Accompts are stated by Authority of Parliament, and not already satisfied, and shall not be willing to stay to have them determined according to the Instructions aforesaid, may hereafter present Lists of such Accompts, by the Committee of the Military Garden, to the Houses, to the Intent they may receive the same Proportions and Securities given to others upon such Accompts."

Order for adding 5000l. more to the 5000l. for the Private Soldiers.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Sum of Five Thousand Pounds be added to the Five Thousand Pounds formerly ordered to be paid, by Alderman Bunce and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, for the Use of the Private Soldiers; and that the said Five Thousand Pounds be forthwith issued and paid, by the said Treasurers at Weavers Hall, unto Mr. Pocock and Mr. Greenhill, and the rest of the Treasurers at Christ's Church; the said Five Thousand Pounds now ordered, and the said Five Thousand Pounds formerly ordered, in all Ten Thousand Pounds, to be issued and paid, by the said Mr. Pocock and Mr. Greenhill, and the rest of the Treasurers at Christ's Church, for the Use of the Private Soldiers, to such Persons, and in such Manner, as both Houses of Parliament shall appoint: And it is further Ordered, That the Acquittance or Acquittances of the said Mr. Pocock and Mr. Greenhill, and of the rest of the Treasurers at Christ's Church, shall be a sufficient Warrant and Discharge to the said Alderman Bunce and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, for the Payment of the said Five Thousand Pounds accordingly."

Order for the Auditors and Collectors to attend the Payment of the Money to the Officers.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Colonel Sandys, Colonel Devereux, Colonel Sanderson, Colonel Wilsheir, Colonel Medhop, Lieutenant Colonel Throckmorton, Major Wood, and Major Tovy, Officers, Mr. Wilcocks, Mr. Broad, and Mr. Dudeney, Auditors, be desired, from both Houses, to be present with the Treasurers at Christ Church, to see the Issuing of the Twenty-five Thousand Pounds now appointed to be paid to the Officers, and to view and examine the several Certificates of the Officers that are to receive any Monies from the said Treasurers, to the Intent no Monies may be issued without due Certificate; and in case any Officer shall demand any Monies without sufficient Certificate, the Names of all such Officers are desired to be certified to both Houses."

Order for a Month's Pay to the Officers mentioned in Four Lists.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Treasurers at Christ Church do pay, upon Saturday next, unto the Officers nominated in the Four Lists (or to their Executors or Assigns) reported to the Houses about November last past, One Month's Pay, according to the Establishment of the Army under the Command of Sir Thomas Fairefax, for their present Relief, until such Sums of Money otherwise ordered towards their Satisfaction may be received."

Order for reimbursing 27,000l. issued for Officers to Weavers Hall, out of the Excise.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the full Sum of Twenty-seven Thousand Pounds be charged upon the Receipts of the Grand Excise, in Course, together with Interest for the same at the End of every Six Months, to be paid to Alderman Bunce and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, as the same shall grow due, in Lieu of and for the reimbursing unto the said Treasurers the like Sum appointed to be now issued by them, out of the Monies remaining in their Hands, unto Mr. Pocock and Mr. Greenhill, and the rest of the Treasurers at Christ Church, for the Use of several Officers: And it is further Ordered, That the Acquittance or Acquittances of the said Alderman Bunce and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall shall be from Time to Time a good Warrant and Discharge to the Commissioners of the Excise, for the Payment of the said Seven and Twenty Thousand Pounds and Interest, and every Part thereof, accordingly."

Order for a Month's Pay to the Officers in Commission that are attending, whose Accompts are not yet stated, on producing Certificates.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Treasurers at Christ Church do, upon the 16th of this Instant June, pay unto those Officers in Commission, that are now attending in this Town, whose Accompts are not yet stated, upon producing sufficient Certificates under the Hands of their respective Commanders in Chief, which shall contain the Time of their actual Service for the Parliament and Qualities, One Month's Pay of their Arrears, according to the Establishment of the Army under the Command of Sir Thomas Fairefax; and, upon the Determination of their Accompts, according to the Ordinance and Instructions of the 28th of May last, Two Months Pay more, with the same Security for the Remainder as is voted and ordered to the Officers of the said Army: Provided, That this extend not to the Officers of the Trained Bands or Auxiliary Regiments of this City, or to the other Officers for whom other Provision hath been lately made by any Order of both or either of the Houses of Parliament, or to any other Officer whose Name is not already listed, or shall not be listed before the said Sixteenth of this Instant, in the List lately brought in to the Houses by Colonel Sands, Colonel Devoreux, and others, and to be by them compleated."

Order for Commissions for Colonel Ponsonby's Regiment.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Committee at Derby House for the Affairs of Ireland do give Commissions to the Officers of Colonel Ponsonbye's Regiment of Horse that are to go for Ireland."

Order for reimbursing 5000l. issued for the Private Soldiers, to Weavers Hall, out of the Excise.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Sum of Five Thousand Pounds, with Interest for the same at the End of every Six Months, be charged upon the Receipts of the Grand Excise, in Course, and paid, as it shall grow due, unto Alderman Bunce and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, for the Re-payment and Reimbursing to the said Treasurers the like Sum, by Order of this Day appointed to be paid by them, to Mr. Pocock and Mr. Greenhill, and the rest of the Treasurers at Christ Church, out of the Treasure remaining in their Hands for the Use of the Private Soldiers: And it is further Ordered, That the Acquittance or Acquittances of the said Alderman Bunce and of the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall shall be a sufficient Discharge to the Commissioners of Excise, for the Payment of the said Five Thousand Pounds and Interest accordingly."

Order for Col. Birch to have the Public Faith, for 4907l. 7s. 4d.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Colonel John Birch, a Member of the House of Commons, shall have the Public Faith of the Kingdom of England, for the Sum of Four Thousand Nine Hundred Seven Pounds, Seven Shillings, and Four Pence; being approved of and allowed to him upon the Stating of his Accompt by the Committee of Accompts, in full of all Sums of Money and Demands now due unto him from the Parliament and Kingdom of England."

Order for Mr. Knight to have the Public Faith, for 1050l.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Mr. Francis K't, at the Sign of The Golden Lock, in Cheapeside, London, Mercer, shall have the Public Faith of this Kingdom, for the Sum of One Thousand and Fifty Pounds, lent by Colonel John Birch, now a Member of the House of Commons, and others, unto Colonel Thomas Essex, at Bristoll, the Fifteenth Day of December, One Thousand Six Hundred and Forty-two; and likewise for the Interest due for the said Sum, from the Time of the Lending thereof, until the same shall be paid unto him."

Orders of the Committee of Safety, for drawing Forces together, annulled;

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the several Orders made by the Committee of Lords and Commons for the Safety of the Kingdom, for the listing and drawing together of any of the Forces of the several Counties, be, and are hereby, adnulled and made void."

and for raising Forces.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Order of the Committee of Lords and Commons, and of the Committee of the Militia of the City of London, of the 12th of this Instant June, 1647, desiring Colonel Dalbeere and some other Colonels to bring in Lists of the Names and Qualities of such Gentlemen and Reformado Officers as they should find willing to engage in the Service of the Parliament, be, and is hereby, adnulled and made void."

Adjourn.

House adjourned, 10a cras.

Footnotes

* Deest in Originali.