House of Lords Journal Volume 9
19 June 1647

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 9: 19 June 1647', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 9: 1646 (1767-1830), pp. 280-282. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37064 Date accessed: 30 September 2014.


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DIE Saturni, 19 die Junii.
Samon, a Pass. E. of Exeter, D°. Mrs. Craven, D°. Horses to be exported for the French King. Capt. Ogle to be bailed. E. of Holland versus Symonds & al. for refusing him Possession of Windsor Lodge. Order concerning the Publication of Mr. Rouse's Psalms. Morris, alias Pointz, versus Sir A. Littleton. Ordinance to raise Money, for Forces in England and Ireland. Letter from the Commissioners with the King. Letter to Sir T. Fairfax. about the Vote sent to him. Message to the H. C. about the Scots Officers in Ulster; Col. Midhope's Regiment for Ireland; and for compleating the Contracts for Ireland. Message from the H. C. about the Indemnity for the Officers who have left the Army; and with Orders. Answer. Capt. Hartwell and his Creditors. Message from the Common Council, with a Letter which they intend to send to Sir T. Fairfax; and with other Papers. Answer to them. Letter from the Commissioners with the King, that they had sent the Vote for removing Him to Sir T. Fairfax; and that Col. Whalley, who commanded His Guard, could not act in it till he heard from the General. Letter from the Common Council, to preserve a good Correspondence between the City and the Army. Paper from them, for the Reformado Officers and Soldiers to repair to their Counties, on account of the Tumults occasioned by their attending here for their Arrears. Another Paper from them, desiring that Soldiers who have been lately inlisted may be discharged. Sir T. Fairfax's. Lifeguard to have the Benefit of the Offers made by the Houses to the Forces that left the Army. Order for Indemnity of Officers and Soldiers that come off from the Army. Adjourn. Footnotes

DIE Saturni, 19 die Junii.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Sallawey.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Midd.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Denbigh.
L. Viscount Hereford.
Comes Suffolke.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. North.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. La Warr.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Maynard.
Ds. Dacres.

Samon, a Pass.

Ordered, That Tymothy Samon shall have a Pass, to go into France.

E. of Exeter, D°.

Ordered, That the Earl of Exceter shall have a Pass, with his Company, Servants, Coach, and Horses, to go into North'tonshire, and return back again.

Mrs. Craven, D°.

Ordered, That Mrs. Craven, Wife to John Craven Esquire, shall have a Pass, with Eight Servants, to go into France.

Horses to be exported for the French King.

Ordered, That the French King shall have a Pass, to transport into France Eight Horses, or Geldings, Custom-free.

Capt. Ogle to be bailed.

Ordered, That Captain Thomas Ogle shall be bailed; and his Bail to be presented to this House.

E. of Holland versus Symonds & al. for refusing him Possession of Windsor Lodge.

This Day Thomas Shymonds produced his Man that is charged to (fn. *) have shot at the Earl of Holland out of the House in Windsor Parcke. His Name is Christopher.

But he, being brought to the Bar, denied it.

It is Ordered, That the said Christopher shall be brought before the Lords again on Tuesday Morning next; and the Earl of Holland is to have Notice of it, that so he may produce his Witness; at which Time also the said Shymonds, his Wife and Daughter, shall attend.

Order concerning the Publication of Mr. Rouse's Psalms.

An Order concerning the publishing the Psalms translated by Mr. Rous was read; and committed to these Lords following:

Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Midd.
Ds. Maynard.
Ds. North.

Any Five, to meet when they please.

Morris, alias Pointz, versus Sir A. Littleton.

Ordered, That the Complaint of John Morris, alias Pointz, against Sir Adam Littleton, &c. shall be heard, by Counsel on both Sides, peremptorily, on Wednesday Morning next.

Ordinance to raise Money, for Forces in England and Ireland.

The House was adjourned into a Committee during Pleasure, to take into Consideration the Ordinance for raising Monies, for the Service of the Kingdom of England and Ireland.

Letter from the Commissioners with the King.

A Letter from the Lord Mountagu, dated the 18th of Instant June, at Newmarket, was read. (Here enter it.)

Letter to Sir T. Fairfax. about the Vote sent to him.

Ordered, That the Speaker write a Letter to the General, to let him know, that this House expects an Account from him, concerning the Votes and Letters sent to him.

Message to the H. C. about the Scots Officers in Ulster;

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Hakewill and

1. To recommend the Desire of the Scotts Officers to them.

Col. Midhope's Regiment for Ireland;

2. To deliver to them Colonel Mydhope's Petition, with the Order thereupon, wherein their Concurrence is desired.

and for compleating the Contracts for Ireland.

3. To desire Concurrence in the Order for referring the compleating of Contracts made for the Service of Ireland, to the Committee for the Irish Affairs at Derby House.

Message from the H. C. about the Indemnity for the Officers who have left the Army;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Denzell Holles Esquire; who brought up divers Particulars, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence:

1. They have made some Alterations in the Ordinance for Indemnity of such Officers as have come from the Army, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to upon the Question; and Ordered to be printed and published.

and with Orders.

2. An Order for paying to Edward Husbands One Hundred Pounds.

3. An Order concerning the Gentlemen of the Life Guard. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House agrees to the Alteration in the Ordinance for the Indemnity of the Officers and Soldiers that are come from the Army; and also to the Order concerning the Gentlemen of the Life Guard: To the rest, this House will return them an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Capt. Hartwell and his Creditors.

Ordered, That the Serjeants that arrested Captain Jasper Hartwell, contrary to the Order of this House, shall appear before this House on Tuesday Morning next; and then the said Captain Hartwell with his Creditors shall likewise appear, that so both Sides may be heard.

The Question being put, "Whether to adjourn the House presently?"

It was Resolved in the Negative.

Message from the Common Council, with a Letter which they intend to send to Sir T. Fairfax; and with other Papers.

A Message was brought from the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Common Council of London, by Alderman Foulkes and others:

1. To acquaint their Lordships with a Letter which that Court intends to send to the General, with the Approbation of this House therein, which was read.

(Here enter it.)

2. To acquaint their Lordships with a Paper of the Common Council, concerning Concourse of Reformado Officers in the City; which was read. (Here enter it.)

3. To present another Paper, touching discharging of Soldiers and Officers listed; which was read.

(Here enter it.)

The Answer was:

Answer to them.

That this House leaves it to their own free Liberty, to send what they think fit to Sir Thomas Fairefax; and their Lordships do approve of those Things in their Letter which relate to the Votes of both Houses of Parliament: Touching the Two particular Requests of the Common Council, this House will take them into their speedy Consideration.

Letter from the Commissioners with the King, that they had sent the Vote for removing Him to Sir T. Fairfax; and that Col. Whalley, who commanded His Guard, could not act in it till he heard from the General.

"For the Right Honourable the Earl of Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peers pro Tempore. These.

"My Lord,

"We received Yesterday the Votes of both Houses, concerning His Majesty's Removal from hence to Richmond. We immediately acquainted the General therewith, by a Letter from ourselves; and there is a Messenger from us now attending his Answer, which is not yet come to us. We also acquainted Colonel Whalley, who commands the present Guards here, with the said Votes; desiring to know of him, "Whether he had received any Order therein from the General; how far he would assist us; or whether we were to expect any Interruption from him?" He told us, "That, it concerning the King, it was civil to acquaint Him therewith:" And after gave us this Answer, "That the King (the Votes being not directed to Him) would say nothing until Address were made to His Majesty; and the General's Pleasure being no Way made known to him, he could not for the present give us any farther Satisfaction."

"This is all the Account I can give you of our Proceedings in this Business; but shall not be wanting in our Endeavours to discharge the Trust reposed in us; remaining

Newmarkett, 18 Junii, 1647.

"Your Lordship's
Most humble Servant,
Ed. Mountagu."

Letter from the Common Council, to preserve a good Correspondence between the City and the Army.

"May it please your Excellency and the Honourable Council of War,

"Your Answer of the 14th, and Letter dated the 15th of this Instant June, with Copies of the Papers given in to the Parliament, we, the Mayor, Aldermen, and Commons, in Common Council assembled, have received and perused; and, by our Committee, we have been further informed of the great Respect you have shewed to us, in your noble and courteous Entertainment of them, and of your many seasonable Expressions of the Reality of your Intentions to promote the Peace and Welfare of the Parliament and Kingdom, and in particular of this City; which how acceptable it is unto us, will best appear by our Proceedings thereupon.

"We take it very kindly, that, though you were informed divers Soldiers were daily listed under Officers in and about the Cities of London and Westm'r, and Parts thereto adjacent, by the said Trained Bands and usual Auxiliaries, yet you conceived (and that most truly) it was without the Privity or Consent of this Court, and did not suspect the Sincerity of our Hearts in what by our last was represented unto you; wherein, for your further Satisfaction, be pleased to take Notice, that, since the Return of our Committee from St. Albans, your said Answer and Letter, and a Narrative of the several Passages 'twixt you and our Committee, and your Desire that the City should use their Endeavour to prevent all such Listings, and therein deal so effectually as that nothing be for the future done towards such Listings, or raising any Forces, and that those already raised might be forthwith discharged; and the Resolution of this Court, and the Committee of the Militia of this City and Parts adjacent, upon the Whole, being all by our Direction made known to both Houses of Parliament, they were pleased to make several Votes thereupon, whereunto (as to those Things) we desire to be referred.

"By all which, we hope, the great Desire of this Court and City to cherish a right Understanding, and keep a good Correspondency, twixt your Excellency, your Council of War, Army, and this City, will evidently appear; and shortly draw from you a more full Answer, Satisfaction, and Assurance, that your Army shall no Way prejudice the Parliament (whose Power and Privileges are the principal Means to preserve the Liberties of the Subjects of this Kingdom), nor this City, who have lost so much Blood, and spent so much Treasure, in Defence thereof; and, in order thereunto, that it shall be forthwith removed to, and continued at, a farther Distance from London.

"By Command of the Mayor, Aldermen, and Commons, of the City of London, in Common Council assembled.

London, 18th June, 1647.

"Michell."

Paper from them, for the Reformado Officers and Soldiers to repair to their Counties, on account of the Tumults occasioned by their attending here for their Arrears.

"Commune Concilium tent. in Cam'a Guildha. Civitatis Lond. Decimo septimo Die Junii, 1647, post Meridiem ejusdem Diei.

"This Court taking Knowledge of the great Distempers and tumultuous Assemblies of Soldiers, and other disaffected Persons, in and about the Cities of London and Westm'r, which frequently with great Clamour and Violence have resorted to the City and Parts adjacent, to the great Disturbance and Endangering of the Parliament and City, upon Pretence to be listed, that thereby they may be made capable of receiving their Arrears: For Remedy thereof, and for the better Prevention of Tumults hereafter, it is thought sit, and so Ordered, by this Court, That the Committee shall To-morrow Morning humbly move the Houses of Parliament, to take this Business into their speedy and serious Consideration; that all such Gentlemen, Reformado Officers, and Soldiers, as have been raised and sent forth by any Committee, from this City, and respective Counties, for the Service of the Parliament and Kingdom, which are not satisfied their due Pay, may be commanded forthwith to repair to their several Counties, there to receive such Satisfaction as is or shall be appointed by Parliament.

"Michell."

Another Paper from them, desiring that Soldiers who have been lately inlisted may be discharged.

"Commune Concil. tent. in Cam'a Guilhald, Civitatis Lond. Die Veneris, 18 Die Junii, 1647, post Meridiem ejusdem Diei.

"It is Ordered by this Common Council, That the Committee of the Court formerly employed in this Behalf shall To-morrow Morning acquaint both Houses of Parliament with the Copy of a Letter now presented by the said Committee, and agreed upon by this Court, to be sent unto his Excellency Sir Thomas Fairefax and his Council of War; and, having the said Houses Approbation thereof, shall with all Expedition make their Addresses, and deliver the said Letter, unto his Excellency and his Council of War: And the said Committee are hereby authorized to give and receive such Satisfaction concerning the Contents of the said Letter, as Occasion shall require.

"And it is Ordered by this Court, That the said Committee shall humbly move the said Houses of Parliament, That, if any Soldiers be listed upon the Votes of the Committee of Lords and Commons and Committee of the Militia, the same may be forthwith discharged.

"Michel."

Sir T. Fairfax's. Lifeguard to have the Benefit of the Offers made by the Houses to the Forces that left the Army.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Officers and Gentlemen named in this List be referred to the Committee, to whom the other Officers and Soldiers that come off from the Army are referred; to take Care of them, and make Provisions for them, in like Manner as for those others, in Pursuance of the Propositions made to the Army, and according to the former Order made to the said Committee in that Behalf.

"We, the Officers and Gentlemen of the Lifeguard whose Names are under written, do express our Acceptance of the Propositions (as far as we are concerned in them), which were offered to the Army, by the Commissioners of Parliament, at the Rendezvous, on Thursday last, being the 10th of June, 1647.

"Officers.
"Henry Hall, Captain of the Life-guard.
"Andrew Goodhand, Captain Lieutenant.
"Thomas Moore, Cornet.
"William Brewerton, Quarter-master.
Sam. Hunt Sen.
"Gentlemen.
"Mr.Richard Ward.
Mr. James Gouge.
Mr. Joseph Garrett.
Mr. Peter Wilkins.
Mr. Arthur Bury.
Mr. John Hodges.
Mr. William Kenison.
Mr. Thomas Talbott.
Mr. Peter Bland.
Mr. Michaell Purefoy.
Mr. Richard Goddard.
Mr. John Phillips.
Mr. William Belcheir.
Mr. Edward Aiscough.
Mr. John Eyres.
Mr. Robert Manley, by Mr. Aiscough.
Mr. Thomas Martin.
Mr. Edward Linch.
Mr. Paule Silvester.
Mr. Thomas Harmer.
Mr. William Sands.
Mr. John Brumfeild.
Mr. Wm. Jarrett.
Mr. Edward Sparry.
Mr. Wm. Massey, by Mr. Bland.
Mr. George Gamble.
Mr. Richard Hannoway.
Mr. Francis Dodsworth.
Mr. Rob't Pont.
Mr. Anthony Newline.
Mr. Thomas Goodard.
Mr. John Floyd.
Mr. John Longe.
Mr. Tho. Rivett.
Mr. James Raphael.
Mr. Francis Heart."

Order for Indemnity of Officers and Soldiers that come off from the Army.

"The Lords and Commons in Parliament, having well accepted the Obedience and Readiness of those Officers and Soldiers who have complied with their Orders, have Ordered and Ordained, and by Authority aforesaid do Order and Ordain, That all and every the said Officers and Soldiers aforesaid shall be freed, exonerated, acquitted, and discharged, and are in and hereby Declared and Adjudged from henceforth to be free, exonerate, acquit, and discharged, of and from all and whatsoever Prosecution, Judgement of Life or Member, Pains, Penalties, and Punishments whatsoever, incurred, or that shall, may, or can, might, could, should, or ought to, be inflicted, prosecuted, had, or pursued, against them, or any of them, for, or by reason of, the said pretended Offence or Offences, of their Departure from their said Colours, or from under the Command of Sir Thomas Fairefax, or from or under the Command of any Military Officer or Officers under him whatsoever."

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 10a, Monday Morning next.

Footnotes

* Deest in Originali.