DIE Saturni, 26 die Junii.
PRAYERS, by Mr. Sallawey.
Domini præsentes fuerunt:
Comes Manchester, Speaker.
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Comes Kent.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Midd.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Suffolke. |
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Dacres.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. La Warr.
Ds. Maynard. |
Answer from the H. C.
Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page return with this Answer from the House of Commons:
That they will send an Answer to the Particulars sent
Yesterday, by Messengers of their own.
Letters from the Commissioners with the King, and with the Army.
A Letter from the Lord Mountagu, was read.
(Here enter it.)
A Letter from the Earl of Nottingham, was read,
with a Paper inclosed. (Here enter it.)
Private Business put off.
Ordered, That all Private Business shall be put
off for Ten Days.
Corbet's Cause.
Ordered, That the Cause between Wm. Corbett and
Ric'd shall be heard the 20th of July next; in the
mean Time, the Proceedings upon the Decree in the
Chancery to be stayed.
Message from the H. C. with an Ordinance.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Colonel Jepson; who brought up an Ordinance for paying Ten Thousand Pounds for the Affairs
of Munster in Ireland, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence. (Here enter it.)
Read, and Agreed to.
The Answer returned was:
Answer.
That this House agrees to this Ordinance for the
Ten Thousands, now brought up.
Message from the H. C. with Ordinances.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Greene, &c.; who brought up Two Ordinances, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence:
1. An Order to pay to the Private Soldiers Six
Thousand Pounds. (Here enter it.)
Read, and Agreed to.
1. An Order to pay One Thousand Two Hundred and
Twenty-five Pounds, to the Dutch, Scotch, and Northern
Officers. (Here enter it.)
Read, and Agreed to.
The Answer returned was:
Answer.
That this House agrees to the Two Orders now
brought up.
Demands of the Army to be considered.
It was moved, "That the Demands of the Army in
their last Representation might be taken into Consideration."
and this Question was proposed, "Whether to
fall into the Consideration of these Demands
of the Army, before they remove Forty
Miles from London, according to the former
Order of both Houses for their removing
further?"
And the Question being put, "Whether this
Question shall be now put?"
It was Resolved in the Negative.
Then this Question was put, "Whether to fall
into the Consideration of these Demands of
the Army, before they remove Forty Miles
from London?"
And it was Resolved in the Affirmative.
Message from the H. C. with an Order;
A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Samuell Browne, &c.
To desire their Lordships Concurrence in an Order,
to give further Power to the Commissioners that are
residing with the Army.
and to sit P. M.
2. To let their Lordships know, that the House of
Commons have ordered to sit at Five of the Clock this
Afternoon; and desire their Lordships would please to
sit likewise, if it may stand with their Lordships Conveniency.
Order to give further Power to the Commissioners with the Army.
The Order now brought up from the House of Commons, was read.
The Question being put, "Whether to have this
Answer returned to the House of Commons,
That their Lordships will give them an Answer by Messengers of their own?"
And it was Resolved in the Negative.
Then the House was adjourned into a Committee
during Pleasure, to debate upon the aforesaid Order.
The House being resumed;
And the said Order was read again; and an Alteration was offered to be added, to (fn. *) restrain the Commissioners to treat with the Army concerning those
Things which concern them as Soldiers.
And the Question being put, "Whether to have
this Alteration added to this Order sent from
the House of Commons?"
It was Resolved in the Negative.
The Question being put "Whether to agree to
this Order, as it came from the House of
Commons?"
And it was Resolved in the Affirmative.
(Here enter it.)
Order for the Commissioners with the Army to have further Power to treat with Sir T. Fairfax, &c.
" (fn. †) Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled
in Parliament, That the Commissioners appointed to
reside with the Army shall have Power to treat and
debate with the General, and such of the Army as
he shall appoint, in such Manner as they shall think
best, upon the Papers and Desires sent from the
Army to the Houses, and the Votes sent to them;
and to send from Time to Time the Results of their
Debates to the Houses, for their Consideration,
that a speedy Conclusion may be thereupon had."
Protest against it.
Memorandum, That these Lords following, before the
putting of this Question, desired Leave to enter their
Dissents, if this Question were carried in the Affirmative: Which was granted; and did accordingly enter
their Dissents, by subscribing their Names.
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Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Midd.
Comes Rutland. |
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Maynard." |
The Answer returned was:
Answer to the H. C.
That this House agrees to the Order now brought
up; and that this House will sit at Five of the Clock
this Afternoon.
L. Wharton added to the Committee with the Army.
Ordered, That the Lord Wharton is added to be
One of the Commissioners that are to go to the Army.
Message to the H. C. to acquaint them with it.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page:
To let them know, that this House hath nominated
another Lord, (videlicet) the Lord Wharton, to be
added to be a Commissioner in the Army.
Letter from from the Commissioners with the King, that He consents to stay at Royston;— that Col. Rossiter's Regiment is gone to join Sir T. Fairfax by his Orders;— and that Col. Whally continues to command the King's Guards.
"For the Right Honourable the Earl of Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peers pro
Tempore. These.
"My Lord,
"We received yours this Morning, at Six of the
Clock; and have delivered the Letter from both
Houses to the King accordingly. His Majesty, though
much pressed to the contrary, was fully resolved upon
His Journey to Richmond, and had given Order for
His Dining at Ware, whither the Provision of His
House was gone before: But He hath now pleased
to let us know, that He will stay here this Day,
and that we shall understand His farther Pleasure
hereafter. Colonel Rosseter's Regiment is upon their
March to the Army by the General's Orders; and
Colonel Whalley commands the same Guards here
which attended at Newmarkett. This is all I have to
return to you at present; remaining,
Royston, 25 Junii, 1647
"My Lord,
Your most humble Servant,
Edw. Mountagu."
Letter from the Commissioners with the Army, that it is in its March to Uxbridge.
"For the Right Honourable Edward Earl of Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peers pro
Tempore.
"These, with Haste.
"May it please your Lordship,
"This Morning the General acquainted us, that
the Army intended to be this Night at Uxbridge.
We desired to know the Reason thereof, and endeavoured to prevent it. The General hath just now
given us this Account inclosed, which I thought it
my Duty immediately to transmit to your Lordship;
and rest,
Barkebemsteed, 25th of June, 1647, at Three of the Clock.
"My Lord,
Your Lordship's
Very humble Servant,
C. Nottingham."
Letter from Sir T. Fairfax, &c. with the Reasons for it.
"My Lords and Gentlemen,
"In Answer to your Desire of a Reason of the Army's
Motion this Day, we thought fit to let you know, That
our Quarters are more contracted, but not nearer
London, than before; (videlicet,) at Watford, Uxbridge,
and the Towns about it, where we wait for an Answer to our just Demands presented to the Parliament. We have often said, we cannot stand as
Lookers, to see the Kingdom ruined by the Obstruction and Denial of Justice; and therefore we desire
you to move the Parliament, we may not be held still
in Doubt, and upon the Disputes of their Commands,
to which we shall yield ready Obedience when we see
the Kingdom in a Possibility of Settlement; which
we conceive cannot be, unless that the Fountain of
Justice be delivered from those that corrupt it.
Barkhamstead, June
25, 1647.
"By the Appointment of his Excellency Sir Thomas Fairefax and
his Council of War.
"Signed,
Vera Copia,
John Rushworth.
Ex'r per
George Pyke."
Order for 10,000 l. for Provisions for the Forces in Munster.
"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled
in Parliament, That Ten Thousand Pounds, Part of
Forty Thousand Pounds assigned out of Weavers Hall,
for the Service of Ireland, be paid, by Alderman
Bunce and the rest of the Treasurers there, unto Mr.
Michall Herring; and that the said Ten Thousand
Pounds be employed in Recruits, Provisions, and Money, for the Forces of Munster; and that this Ten
Thousand Pounds be directed and issued by Order of
the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland at Derby
House; and that the Acquittance of the said Michall
Herring shall be a sufficient Warrant and Discharge
to the said Alderman Bunce and the rest of the Treasurers there, for the Payment of the said Ten Thousand Pounds accordingly."
Order for 1225 l. to the Northern, Dutch, and Scotch Officers, for a Month's Pay.
"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled
in Parliament, That the Sum of Twelve Hundred
Five and Twenty Pounds be paid, by Alderman
Bunce and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall,
to Mr. John Pocock, Mr. William Greenhill, and the
rest of the Treasurers for Payment of the Officers, to
pay those of the Northern, Dutch and Scotts Officers,
now in Town, a Month's Pay, that have not yet received it out of the Two Thousand Pounds formerly
assigned; and that the Acquittance of the said Mr.
Pocock, Mr. William Greenhill, and the rest of the
Treasurers, or any Two of them, shall be a sufficient
Warrant and Discharge to the said Alderman Bunce
and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers Hall, for
the Payment of the said Twelve Hundred Five and
Twenty Pounds accordingly."
Order for 6000 l, to Private Soldiers.
"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled
in Parliament, That Alderman Bunce and the rest of
the Treasurers at Weavers Hall do forthwith pay, unto
Mr. Thomas Gower, and the rest of the Treasurers
formerly appointed for the Payment of the Private
Soldier, the Sum of Six Thousand Pounds, to be accounted Part of the Twenty Thousand Pounds formerly assigned for the Payment of the Private Soldier,
charged upon the Credit of the Moiety of the Receipts at Gouldsmiths Hall not engaged for Security
for the last Two Hundred Thousand Pounds; and
that the said Six Thousand Pounds be reimbursed to
the Treasure at Weavers Hall, out of the Receipts of
the said Moiety, in Course; and that the said Six
Thousand Pounds be added to the Ten Thousand
Pounds formerly paid out of Weavers Hall for the
Private Soldier; and that the whole Sixteen Thousand Pounds be paid out by the said Treasurers unto
the Private Soldier, according to such Orders, Directions, and Limitations, as they have formerly received; and that the Acquittance of the said Mr.
Thomas Gower and the rest of the Treasurers for Private Soldiers, or any Two of them, shall be a sufficient Warrant and Discharge unto the said Alderman Bunce and the rest of the Treasurers at Weavers
Hall, for the Payment of the said Six Thousand
Pounds accordingly."
Post Meridiem.
Domini præsentes fuerunt:
Comes Manchester, Speaker.
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Comes Northumberland.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Stanford.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Lincolne.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Middlesex. |
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Dacres.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Berkly.
Ds. Maynard.
Ds. Willoughby. |
Message from the H. C. with an Order, and with the following
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Mr. Browne and others;
To desire Lords Concurrence:
1. An Order, That if any Forces be listed by the
Militia, that they be discharged. (Here enter it.)
Read, and Agreed to.
2. A Letter to be sent to the Commissioners with the
Army.
Agreed to.
Letter to the Commissioners with the Army, concerning the Enlargement of their Power to treat.
"My Lords and Gentlemen,
"The Houses have commanded us to acquaint you
with their Resolution here inclosed, concerning the
Enlargement of your Power to treat with Sir Thomas
Fairefax and the Army. They doubt not of your
Diligence and Faithfulness, in improving all your
Power and Interest in bringing Things to a happy
and speedy Issue between the Parliament and Army;
which is the Desire of
"Your very affectionate Friends."
Letter from them.
A Letter was sent to the Earl of Manchester, from
the Earl of Nottingham; informing, "That the Army
was at Uxbridge." (Here enter it.)
Propositions for Peace.
The Propositions last sent from the House of Commons, were read.
Ordered, To be taken into Consideration on Thursday next; and all the Lords to have Notice, to be present.
Forces inlisted by the Committee of Safety to be discharged.
"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That if any Forces be listed by virtue of any Order of the Committee of Lords and
Commons, and the Committee of the Militia, or of the
Committee of the Safety, that they be, and are hereby,
discharged."
Letter from the Commissioners with the Army, that the Army is come to Uxbridge; and with the Grievances which the Army desire an immediate Redress of, when they will remove further from London.
"For the Right Honourable Edward Earl of
Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peers.
These.
"May it please your Lordship,
"We came hither last Night, where we found the
General, with Three Regiments of Foot, and the
Train of Artillery, and some Horse; Four Regiments
of Foot more being quartered at Watford, and Three
at Colebrooke, and most Part of the Horse behind, and
on the Sides of the Foot; and that, by Order, the
Soldiers came provided with Four Days Victual.
"This Morning Sir Thomas Widdrington and Mr. Povey
came to us very early, and brought us the Votes of
the House that passed Yesterday, concerning the Members charged by the Army. We, having some Intimations that the Army was to march this Morning,
went instantly to the General, and communicated those
Votes, and such other Proceedings of the Houses as
came to our Knowledge in relation to the Army, the
better to let them see the Inclinations of the House
towards the Army's Satisfaction; and did desire that
nothing might arise from them, that might either disturb the Houses in their Councils, or minister further Occasion of Jealousy, which, we told them, we
very much feared, a Report (fn. *) of which had lately
come to us, of the Army's moving nearer London,
would do; the Certainty whereof we desired to know,
and what their Intentions were therein, and of their
Removing. We then understood from the General and
his Officers, that, at Twelve last Night, Orders were
given, upon Consideration that the whole Body of
Foot were so closely contracted, that the Quarters
should be enlarged every Way, as well towards London as otherwise, for the mutual Ease of the Country
and Soldiery. Against this Resolution we immediately
declared our Objections; and very earnestly expostulated the Business with General and Officers, as that
which, according to our Apprehensions, would minister Jealousy and Discontent to the Houses, and
obstruct that Composure of Things which we found
your Inclinations and Actions leading unto. To which
the General and Officers replied (and prayed us so to
represent their Proceedings in this Business), "That
they might be necessitated to some Actions of this
Nature, that might carry in the Face of them Occasion of Jealousy, whereas in Truth they are done for
the Ease of the Country and Soldiers; and did desire
that this Action might be so looked upon by the Parliament." But withal, in this Conference, we so far
prevailed with the General and Officers, that, though
the Quarter-masters were gone before, and some Regiments were on their March towards Harrow on the
Hill and other Places thereabouts, the Orders were
immediately countermanded, and new Quarters are
assigned them; with this Declaration, that none of
them are appointed to be nearer London than Fifteen
Miles.
"In this Debate, we labouring to press them with
your good Intentions for their Satisfaction, and to
draw them to a Certainty that their Removal from
hence may be at a farther Distance from London, they
made us this Answer: "That there were some Things
unresolved by the Houses contained in their late Remonstrance, that were of immediate and absolute Necessity to the Being of the Army; (videlicet,) The
(1.) Article, concerning the re-calling the Declaration
inviting Men to desert the Army. The (2.) for
equal Pay for the Army with those that have deserted
it. And the (5.) Article, for discharging and dispersing of such as have deserted this Army; in which
if they may receive the Houses Pleasure speedily,
they gave us Hope of a certain Answer touching the
Motion of the Army at a farther Distance from London.
"These Things I thought fit to acquaint your Lordship
with, finding the Army's Expectation to be very great
upon the Resolutions of Parliament this Day to be
taken.
"The General told us, that the King was unwilling
to go back to Newmarkett, and that He would be this
Night at Hatfeild. Thus I rest,
Uxbridge, 26 June,1647, 2 in the Afternoon.
"My Lord,
Your Lordship's
Humble and faithful Servant,
C. Nottingham."
Adjourn.
Adjourned till Monday, 10.