House of Lords Journal Volume 9
3 July 1647

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 9: 3 July 1647', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 9: 1646 (1767-1830), pp. 313-314. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37076 Date accessed: 02 August 2014.


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DIE Saturni, 3 die Julii.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Sallawey.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Kent.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Midd.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. La Warr.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Dacres.
Ds. Maynard.

Fr. Ambassador, a Pass to the King.

Ordered, That Monsieur Bellieure, Extraordinary Ambassador from the French King, shall be permitted, with his Retinue, Coach and Horses, Bag and Baggage, to pass from the City of London, to His Majesty, and back to London; and likewise, that all civil and fair Respects be given unto him.

Ordered, That a Letter be written from both Houses, to the Commissioners with the King, to permit the French Ambassador to repair to the King.

Sir G. Norton and Loftus.

Upon reading the Petition of Sir Gregory Norton Baronet: It is Ordered, That the Protection of this House, formerly granted to Nic. Loftus, be hereby revoked.

Bruen's Order.

An Order was brought in, for making Jonathan Bruen be Chief Clerk or Baron of the Exchequer at Chester; which was read, and Agreed to; and Ordered to be sent to the House of Commons for their Concurrence.

Message to the H. C. with it; with the Letter to Cambridge University; about the Fr. Ambassador's Pass; and with the Waggoners Petition.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Doctor Aylett and Mr. Sadler:

1. To desire their Concurrence in the Order and Letter to the Vice Chancellor of Cambridge and the Heads of the Colleges.

2. To desire their Concurrence in the Pass for the French Ambassador, and the Letter to the Commissioners with the King; and that the same may (fn. *) be delivered to the Master of the Ceremonies.

3. To desire their Concurrence in the Ordinance concerning Jonathan Bruen to be Baron of the Exchequer of the County Palatine of Chester.

4. To recommend to them the Petition of the Waggoners.

Message from the H. C. with an Order.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Steven Egerton;

To desire Concurrence in the Order following.

1. An Order for issuing out Ten Thousand Pounds, for the Northern Association. (Here enter.)

Agreed to.

Message to them, about the Ordinance to sequester Collieries.

Ordered, To put the House of Commons in Mind of the Ordinance concerning the Collieries in the North; which was done, by Doctor Aylett and Mr. Sadler.

Sir A. Apsley and Brodrick, a Pass.

Ordered, That Sir Allen Apseley and Allen Brodericke shall have a Pass, for themselves and Three Servants, to go into France, and return back again.

Letter from the Commissioners with the King.

A Letter from the Lord Mountague, was read.

(Here enter it.)

Drs. Sheldon and Hammond not to be found.

The House had Account this Day, "That when the Messenger was at Windsor, to enquire after Doctor Sheldon and Doctor Hamond, and to serve the Order of this House upon them; but they were gone, and could not be found."

Letter from the Commissioners with the Army.

A Letter from the Commissioners residing with the Army, was read, with the Papers inclosed.

(Here enter them.)

Propositions for Peace.

Ordered, That the Propositions for Peace shall be taken into Consideration the First Business.

Letter from the Commissioners with the King, that He is at Windsor; and that they have prevented excepted Persons from having Access to Him.

"For the Right Honourable the Earl of Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peers pro Tempore.

"My Lord,

"The King removed Yesterday from Hatfeild to Windsor, where Colonel Whitchcott, being Governor, hath the Command of the present Guards; and we have given him our Orders to remove Doctor Sheldon and Doctor Hamond from about the Person of the King, with all others that by your late Votes and the Fifth Article of our Instructions are not to be permitted Access to His Majesty. These Orders he hath willingly received from us, and undertaken to obey them accordingly. The Duke of Richmond went away from Hatfeild. This is all we have at present to acquaint you with; being very desirous, as far as in us lies, to observe your Commands; remaining,

Wind'or, 2 Julii, 1647.

"My Lord,
Your Lordship's
Most humble Servant;
Edw. Mountagu.

"The King intends to remove from hence to Caversham, near Rèadinge, To-morrow."

Letter from the Commissioners with the Army, that they have begun upon the Treaty; and that the Army is going to Reading.

"For the Right Honourable Edward Earl of Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peers. These.

"May it please your Lordship,

"This Day we have entered upon the Treaty. The Commissions on both Parts have been read; and some Propositions touching the Method of our Proceeding in the Treaty have been mutually consented unto, the Copies whereof we send here inclosed. We have Notice given us, that the General and his Council of War have resolved to remove the Head Quarter To-morrow to Reading; at which Place, they assure us, they will proceed in the Treaty with all Diligence and Expedition on Monday Morning by Seven of the Clock. (fn. *) Thus we rest,

Wickham, 2 Julii, 1647, 12 at Night.

"My Lord,
Your Lordship's
Humble Servant,
C. Nottingham.
Ph. Wharton."

Method of proceeding in the Treaty between the Commissioners with the Army and the Commissioners appointed by Sir T. Fairfax, &c.

"For the Method of Proceeding, it is offered by the Commissioners of Parliament, That, seeing this Treaty is to be had upon the Papers and Desires sent from the Army to the Houses, and the Votes of the Houses sent to their Commissioners residing with the Army;

"1. That, in all Matters to be treated on, there shall be a free Debate had by Conference.

"2. That the Results of such Debates on Points that relate to the Desires of the Army shall, by the Commissioners for the Army, be delivered to the Commissioners of Parliament in Writing, to be presented to the Houses for their Consideration, that a speedy Conclusion may be thereupon had.

"3. That, in this Treaty, nothing shall be taken as the Desire, Opinion, or Resolution of the Commissioners, on either Part, but what is given in Writing to each other, signed by their respective Secretaries.

"4. That, in the managing of this Treaty, and for the more Expedition therein, that at any Time Papers signed as aforesaid may be sent and received between the Commissioners, upon emergent Occasions.

"5. That we shall be desirous to hear from the Commissioners of the Army, the Way and Method wherein they intend to proceed in the managing of the Desires of the Army; wherein we shall not doubt but that they will take such Courses as may tend to the greatest Expedition.

"6. That the Meeting of the Commissioners shall be, from Time to Time, by mutual Agreement of the Commissioners, or upon the Desire of either Part respectively, at such Place within the Head Quarter as the Commissioners of the Parliament shall appoint.

Wickeham, from The Katherin Wheele, 2d July, 1647.

"Signed, by the Appointment of the Commissioners of Parliament.

"Geo. Pyke, Secr."

"To the Offers of the Right Honourable the Commissioners of Parliament for the Method of Proceeding, the Commissioners for the Army do answer:

"1. To the First, we agree fully.

"2. To the Second, we agree.

"3. To the Third, we wholly agree.

"4. To the Fourth, we agree.

"5. To the Fifth, we shall willingly perform what is desired, at least in Parts, from Time to Time, as there is Occasion; but we desire that there may be no Stop in the Proceeding to the Treaty upon any Part of the Things to be treated on, in Expectation of a general Method to the Whole.

"6. To the Sixth, we wholly agree.

Wickeham, Katherin Wheele, 2 Julii; 1647.

"By the Command of the Commissioners of the Army.

"Signed, Wm. Clakke."

"An Ordinance for One Month's Pay to the Forces of the Northern Association.

Ordinance for a Month's Pay for the Forces of the Northern Association.

"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the Sum of Ten Thousand Pounds be forthwith borrowed and advanced, out of the Treasure in Weavers Hall, and issued towards the Payment of a Month's Pay to the Officers of the Northern Association; and that it be re-paid out of the Receipts of the Grand Excise, in Course, with Interest; and that the several Committees of Sequestrations, in the several Counties of the Northern Association, do pay respectively, out of the Sequestration-monies, so much Money as may make the said Ten Thousand Pounds a full Month's Pay for the said Forces; and the same to be distributed amongst the said Forces proportionably, according to such Order and Directions as the Committee for the Northern Association shall give in that Behalf, out of which they are to pay to the Country for One Month's Quarter where they have been billeted; and as well the Treasurers of Weavers Hall, and every of them, as the several Treasurers of the Sequestration-monies in the said several Counties of the Northern Association, are hereby required forthwith to pay the said several Monies hereby ordered as aforesaid, unto Sir Will'm Allenson Knight, Brian Stapleton, Thomas Hoyle, and James Nelthorp, or any Two or more of them, under their Hands and Seals, (fn. *) be appointed to receive the same, or any Part thereof; and the Receipt of the said Sir William Allenson, Bryan Stapleton, Thomas Hoyle, and James Nelthorpe, or of any Two or more of them, or of any other Person or Persons by Order under their Hands and Seals as aforesaid, of all or any Part of the said Monies, shall be unto the said several Treasurers, and to every of them respectively, a sufficient Discharge in that Behalf; and the said Sir William Allenson, Bryan Stapleton, Thomas Hoyle, and James Nelthorpe, or such other Person or Persons as they or any Two or more of them shall under their Hands and Seals appoint to receive the said Monies, or any Part thereof, shall, from Time to Time, issue out the same, according to such Orders and Directions as they shall receive from the said Committee for the said Northern Association, which shall be unto them a sufficient Discharge in that Behalf."

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* Deest in Originali.
* Origin. This.
* Sic.