House of Lords Journal Volume 9
17 July 1647

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 9: 17 July 1647', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 9: 1646 (1767-1830), pp. 335-338. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37087 Date accessed: 29 July 2014.


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DIE Saturni, 17 die Julii.
Answer from the H. C. Orders of the H. C. for Commitment of Prisoners in The Tower. Letter, &c. from the Scots Commissioners. Mrs. Vanenden, a Protection. Sir W. Russel & al. and Lenthall & al. Propositions for Peace. Message to the H. C. with the Letter, from the Scots Commissioners; with the Petition from Barton upon Humber for a Collection; and about Captain Borras's Pardon. Alderman Fowkes and the E. I. Co. Message from the H. C. with Votes about Money for Ireland; for Colonel Monk to command there, &c.; for the Regiments which came from the Army to be disbanded: Colonel Sheffield to command such of them as will go to Ireland. Answer to the H. C. Ordinance for L. Willoughby's Arrears sent to the H. C. John Borros pardoned; passed this Day at the H. C. Rhodes to be instituted to Ryston. Votes for distributing the 2500 l. for Ireland; and for Sir Charles Coote to command the Lagan Forces; Colonel Monk to be Commander in Chief in Ulster; Irish Forces to be reduced to their Establishment; Convoy to be sent with the Irish Money; Physician, Surgeon, &c. for Ireland; Ships to be sent, for a Guard on the Irish Coast; Order for 1676 l. 19s. 4d. for Colonel Jones, due on an Irish Contract; Parliament Commissioners to remain in Dublin. Order for suppressing Stage Plays. Letter from the Scots Commissioners, with the following Papers: Paper for performing the Two First Articles of the Covenant. Paper for a competent Allowance for the Forces kept up in Scotland. Adjourn. Footnotes

DIE Saturni, 17 die Julii.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Sallawey.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Suffolke.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. North.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. La Warr.

Answer from the H. C.

Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That they agree to the Addition for suppressing of Stage Plays: (Here enter it.) To the rest, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Orders of the H. C. for Commitment of Prisoners in The Tower.

Ordered, That the Lieutenant of The Tower of London shall deliver in to this House, on Monday next, the Orders of the House of Commons, by which the Prisoners in The Tower stand committed.

Letter, &c. from the Scots Commissioners.

A Letter from the Scotts Commissioners was read, with Two Papers. (Here enter them.)

Ordered, To be sent to the House of Commons.

Mrs. Vanenden, a Protection.

Ordered, That Mrs. Vannenden shall have the Protection of this House, for freeing her from Arrests; going, staying, and coming, about her Business depending in this House.

Sir W. Russel & al. and Lenthall & al.

Upon reading the Petition of Sir Wm. Russell, &c. against Lenthall, &c.; desiring to have the Money deposited in the Hand of the Clerk of the Parliament delivered to them:

It is Ordered, That Lenthall and Marston shall have a Copy of this Petition, and shew Cause to this House on Tuesday next why the said Money should not be taken out.

Propositions for Peace.

The House took into Consideration the Persons in the Second Exception in the Propositions.

It is Ordered, That this House thinks it fit that the Lord Brudnell be left out, because their Lordships do not know any Ground to prove that he hath borne Arms against the Parliament; and this to be offered to the House of Commons, at a Conference, with the rest.

Message to the H. C. with the Letter, from the Scots Commissioners;

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page:

To deliver to them the Letter and Papers from the Scotts Commissioners, read this Day.

with the Petition from Barton upon Humber for a Collection;

2. To deliver to them the Petition of the Inhabitants of Barton upon Humber; "desiring Letters Patents, for Collection of Mens Benevolence, for repairing their Loss by Fire;" and to desire their Concurrence, that they may have Letters Patents, as they desire, according to the Order now sent down.

and about Captain Borras's Pardon.

3. To put them in Mind of the Order formerly sent down, for pardoning Captain Borras.

Alderman Fowkes and the E. I. Co.

Upon reading the Petition of the East India Company, against Alderman Foulke:

It is Ordered, That Mr. Alderman Foulke shall have a Copy of this Petition, and return his Answer to it; and that the said Company is freed from any Contempt, in not bringing their Books before Doctor Heath and Mr. Hakewill.

Message from the H. C. with Votes about Money for Ireland; for Colonel Monk to command there, &c.;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Major Sallawey;

To desire Concurrence in divers Particulars:

1. Votes concerning paying Eight Thousand Pounds for the Lagan Forces, in Connaght; and giving Power to Sir Charles Coote to dispose of it. (Here enter them.)

Agreed to.

2. Several Votes for appointing Colonel Moncke to command in Chief the Forces in Ulster, which are not under the Command of the Scotts. (Here enter them.)

Agreed to.

3. That Sir Thomas Fairefax be desired to appoint a Convoy, to conduct the Money for Ireland to the Sea Side. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

for the Regiments which came from the Army to be disbanded:

4. That the Forces of the Four Regiments of Foot that came off from the Army be forthwith disbanded: And divers other Votes concerning that Business.

A Petition from the Commanders and Officers that came off from the Army, was read.

It was moved, that the Question might be put, Whether to have this Business put off till Monday next."

The Question being put, "Whether this Question shall be put or not?"

The Votes were even.

5. A Vote for disbanding the Horse and Dragoons that came from the Army.

Colonel Sheffield to command such of them as will go to Ireland.

Ordered, That this House adheres to their Vote, that Colonel Sheffeild shall command such Horse and Dragoons as come from the Army, as will go for Ireland.

The Answer returned was:

Answer to the H. C.

That this House agrees to the Orders for distributing the Twenty-five Thousand Pounds, and the Votes in relation to Ireland: To all the rest, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Ordinance for L. Willoughby's Arrears sent to the H. C.

An Ordinance concerning the Lord Willoughby to be satisfied for his Arrears, out of Sir Thomas Hampson's Fine, was read.

To be sent to the House of Commons for their Concurrence: Which was sent down, by Sir Edw. Leech and Mr. Page.

(fn. *) John Borros pardoned; passed this Day at the H. C.

(fn. †) "Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That John Borros shall be pardoned of his Offences of Felony, whereof he stands indicted by several Indictments: And it is hereby further Ordered, That the Commissioners of the Great Seal shall pass a Pardon under the Great Seal accordingly."

Rhodes to be instituted to Ryston.

Ordered, That Doctor Heath give Institution to Joseph Rhodes Clerk, Master of Arts, to the Rectory of Ryston, with the Appurtenances, in Com. Yorke, void by the Death of the last Incumbent; salvo Jure cujuscunque; he taking the Covenant, and presented by the Great Seal.

Votes for distributing the 2500 l. for Ireland; and for Sir Charles Coote to command the Lagan Forces;

"Resolved, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament,

"That Ten Thousand Pounds be sent to Dublyn forthwith, in Specie, to be disposed by the Commissioners at Dublin, for the Forces in the Province of Lemster, as they shall judge most for the Public Service; except only that One Hundred and Fifty Pounds of the said Money which is to be employed here, for the providing of Knapsacks to be sent to Dublin, for the Use of those Forces, the better to enable them to carry their Victual to the Field, in regard of the Defect of other Carriages.

"Resolved, &c.

"That there be appointed, for the Forces in Connaught, and the Forces in Ulster, that are called the Lagan Forces, who are put under the Command of Sir Charles Coote, the Sum of Eight Thousand Pounds.

"Resolved, &c.

"That this Money shall be sent over in Specie, by the Treasurer at Wars; and by him, or his Deputy there, issued as he shall receive Warrant for the Service from Sir Charles Coote.

"Resolved, &c.

"That Sir Charles Coote shall issue his Warrants for the disposing of the said Money, as he shall receive Instructions from the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland at Darby House.

"Resolved, &c.

"That Sir Charles Coote shall have the same Power to command the Lagan Forces, that he hath now to command those of Connaught; and that whereas he hath a Commission already to command those Forces, that if there be any Defects in that Commission, they be supplied, and such a Commission given him as may enable him with the most Effect for the Public Service; and that the said Committee of Ireland have Power to give such Commission; and that Sir Robert Stewart shall have the Chief Command of the said Lagan Forces, under Sir Charles Coote.

"Resolved, &c.

"That there be Seven Thousand Pounds appointed for the rest of the Forces of Ulster, besides the Lagan Forces.

"Resolved, &c.

"That this Seven Thousand Pounds be sent over in Specie, by the Treasurer at Wars, and issued there according to such Warrants as he shall receive from the Commander in Chief.

Colonel Monk to be Commander in Chief in Ulster;

"Resolved, &c.

"That Colonel Moncke be hereby nominated and appointed Commander in Chief, to command those Forces in Ulster that are not put under the Command of Sir Charles Coote; and that it be referred to the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland at Darby House, to give him Commission accordingly.

"Resolved, &c.

"That Colonel Moncke, who is appointed Commander in Chief of the said Forces in Ulster, shall issue his Warrants for the disposing of the said Monies, accor ding to such Instructions as he shall receive for that Purpose from the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland at Darby House.

Irish Forces to be reduced to their Establishment;

"Ordered, &c. That the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland at Darby House do prepare and give Instructions to Colonel Moncke, and such others as they shall think fit, for the reducing the Forces of Ireland, according to the Establishment of Ireland.

Convoy to be sent with the Irish Money;

"Ordered, &c. That Sir Thomas Fairefax be desired to appoint a Convoy of Two Hundred Horse, to convoy to the Water-side the Monies for Ireland; and that the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland at Darby House take Care that this may be done accordingly.

Physician, Surgeon, &c. for Ireland;

"Resolved, &c.

"That Doctor Gerrard Boate, Mr. Ben. Worsley, and Mr. Marmaduke Lynn, be appointed Physician General, Chirurgeon, and Apothecary, of the Army in Ireland, and sent to Dublin; and that it be referred to the Committee for Ireland at Darby House, to furnish, out of the Monies in their Hands, the said Gentlemen with such Provisions as may enable them for the Exercise of their several Charges.

Ships to be sent, for a Guard on the Irish Coast;

"Upon the Representations that have been made from the Commissioners from Dublyn, and from Sir Charles Coote, That the Irish Coasts are infested with Pirates, in small Frigates, which run into all Creeks, and have surprized many Barks upon those Coasts, that were laden with Provisions and Necessaries for those Parts: It is Ordered, That it be in especial Manner, and very effectually, recommended to the Committee of the Admiralty, that some such Vessels may be appointed for that Service, and sent upon those Coasts that are most fit and proper for that Service, to prevent the Mischiefs represented; and to be employed for the Safety and Security of those Parts.

Order for 1676 l. 19s. 4d. for Colonel Jones, due on an Irish Contract;

"Ordered, That the Sum of Sixteen Hundred Seventy-six Pounds, Nineteen Shillings, and Four Pence, be forthwith paid unto Colonel Michaell Jones, according to the Articles of Contract made with him; and that the said Sum of Sixteen Hundred Seventy-six Pounds, Nineteen Shillings, and Four Pence, be charged upon the Moiety of the Receipts at Gouldsmiths Hall not given for Security for the last, Two Hundred Thousand Pounds, in Course, with Interest for the same, after the Rate of Eight Pounds per Cent.; and that it be referred to the Committee for Ireland at Darby House, to furnish, out of such Monies as are in their Power, the said Sum of One Thousand Six Hundred Seventy-six Pounds, Nineteen Shillings, Four Pence, unto Colonel Michaell Jones, or so much thereof as of absolute Necessity must be paid for the present, for Supply of his Necessities; and that, when the said Sum of One Thousand Six Hundred Seventy-six Pounds, Nineteen Shillings, Four Pence, shall become payable at Gouldsmiths Hall, or so much of the said Sum as shall be paid unto Colonel Michell Jones by the said Committee, that it be re-paid unto the said Committee, by the Treasurers at Gouldsmiths Hall, as aforesaid.

Parliament Commissioners to remain in Dublin.

"Resolved, &c.

"That the Commissioners of Parliament at Dublyn be ordered to stay upon the Employment they are now in, with the same Powers to all Purposes as now they have, until the First of September next; and that they shall have the like Allowance made and continued unto them, for their Support, proportionably as the Commissioners formerly employed into Ulster had during the Time of their Employments."

Order for suppressing Stage Plays.

"Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That the Lord Mayor and Justices of Peace in the City of London, and the Justices of Peace in the Counties of Midd. and Surrey, be required to take effectual Care, speedily to suppress all Public Plays and Play-houses, and all Dancings on the Ropes, and Bear-baitings: This Order to continue until the First of January next."

Letter from the Scots Commissioners, with the following Papers:

"For the Right Honnorable the Earle of Manchester, Speaker of the House of Peeres pro Tempore.

"Right Honnorable,

"In Pursuance of the Directions of the Committee of Estates of the Kingdome of Scotland, wee doe send your Lordship here inclosed Two Papers, which, wee intreate you to communicate to both Houses; and, expectinge their Answere thereunto, wee rest.

Worcester House, the 15 of July, 1647.

"Your Lordship's
Humble Servaunts,
Lauderdaile.
Hew. Kennedy.
Ro. Bercley."

Paper for performing the Two First Articles of the Covenant.

"As wee have often represented to both Houses of Parliament the Desires of the Kingdome of Scotland concerning Religion, being the principall Thing which engaged them into the Assistance of this Kingdome; soe wee cannott now conceale how much that Kingdome doth longe and waite for the performing and fullfilling of the First Two Articles of the solemne League and Covenant, as the cheife Fruite of all their Paines, Hazards, Sufferings, and Losses, which (dureing that Assistance, and by Occasion thereof) they did and yet doe undergoe: In Pursuance of these Two Articles, there was, upon the 25th of December last, a full Paper delivered in to the Committee of Lords, Commons, and Divines, appointed to receive Papers of that Kinde; which was by them transmitted to both Houses of Parliament, whose Answere thereunto wee have ever bin expecting for the Space of Six Moneths and upwards, but as yet have received none; and soe can give noe sattisfactory Account thereof to the Kingdome of Scotland, though it be the cheife Thing whereof they desire and expect an Accompt from us: Wee doe therefore, for our Exoneration, earnestly desire an Answere from the Honnorable Houses to that Paper.

16th July, 1647.

"By Commaund of the Commissioners for the Parliament of Scotland.

"Jo. Cheislie."

Paper for a competent Allowance for the Forces kept up in Scotland.

"The Houses of Parliament in their Letter of the 27th of January last, did ingage themselves to the Parliament of Scotland, That, the Garrisons of this Kingdome being delivered upp, and the Scottish Army and Forces marched out of this Kingdome, they should take into speedy Consideration the Desire of the Kingdome of Scotland, concerning a Competency of Entertainment to be given by this Kingdome, for Maintenance of the Forces which the Estates of Scotland have bin for a long Tyme, and are still, necessitated to keepe upp, for subdueinge the Irish Rebells, whom by the large Treaty the Kingdome of England is bound to suppresse. It hath pleased God, in a good Measure, of late to blesse our Forces against those Rebells and their Adherents; yet the Charge and Expence bestowed therein hath bin very greate, and there is a Remainder of the Enemy in the Mountaines and Islands unsubdued. There are now almost Six Moneths elapsed sithence the Scottish Army did, according to the Treaty between the Kingdomes, deliver upp the Garrisons possessed by them, and peaceably and quietly march out of this Kingdome: Wee have bin loath all this Tyme to importune the Honnorable Houses in this Business; still awaytinge when they should be pleased to spare some Tyme from their other Affalres, for Consideration of this Particular, according to their Engagment: But wee have yet receaved noe Answere. Least therefore, the Kingdome of Scotland should bee disappointed of their Expectation herein through our Silence; wee doe againe, in their Name, earnestly desire the Honnorable Houses to take into Consideration, how, by their Supply, that Kingdome may in some Measure be releeved of the greate Burthens they lye under, and have undergone, for suppressing those Rebells; and how the comeing over of more Irish into that Kingdome may for the future be prevented, according to the Intent of the large Treaty; wherein we are the more sollicitous, that wee are credibly informed, Preparations have bin made in Ireland for this Purpose these diverse Moneths past.

16th July, 1647.

"By Comaund of the Commissioners for the Parliament of Scotland.

"Jo. Cheislie."

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 9, Monday next.

Footnotes

* This Marginal Note is in the Original.
A Duplicate of this Order occurs postea, p. 339.