House of Lords Journal Volume 9
4 October 1647

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 9: 4 October 1647', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 9: 1646 (1767-1830), pp. 467-468. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37134 Date accessed: 30 July 2014.


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DIE Lunæ, 4 die Octobris.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Spurstoe.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Northumb.
Comes Kent.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Warwicke.
Comes Nottingham.
Ds. Grey.

Answer from the H. C.

Doctor Aylett and Doctor Heath return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That to the Paper to the Scotts Commissioners, and the Commanders of the Winter Guard, and the Letter of the Prince Elector, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own: To all the rest, they do agree.

Ordinance to disable Delinquents from holding Places of Trust.

The Ordinance for disabling such Persons to be chosen in Places of Trust as have been in Arms against the Parliament, was read Twice; and committed to the Earl of Kent and the Earl of Warwicke, to meet presently: Which accordingly they did.

E. of Newport's Fine for his Composition to be abased, on account of his losing the Place of Master of the Ordnance.

Upon reading the Petition of the Earl of Newport; desiring "some Allowance may be made him in his Fine of Composition for Delinquency, for his Place of Master of the Ordinance, in regard it is disposed from him by the Parliament:" It is Ordered, To be sent to the House of Commons, with this Sense, "That, upon the Consideration of the Petition of the Earl of Newport, the Lords think fit that there be a Deduction made out of the Earl of Newport's Fine for Composition, according to the Value of the Place of the Master of the Ordnance; and that the Committee of Goldsmithes Hall be ordered to set the Proportion of the said Deduction."

Ordinance to disable Delinquents from holding Places of Trust.

The Earl of Kent reported the Ordinance to disable those Persons that have been in Arms against the Parliament, shall not be chosen in any Office or Place of Trust, as fit to pass, with some Alterations.

The Alterations were read; and then the said Ordinance was read, with those Alterations, and approved of; and Ordered to be sent to the House of Commons for their Concurrence therein.

Message to the H. C. with it; with the Bishops of Durham's and Armagh's Petition; and with Prince's Ordinance.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page:

1. To deliver to them the Ordinance to disable Persons as have been in Arms against the Parliament to be chosen in Places of Office and Trust, and desire their Concurrence in the Alteration.

2. To deliver to them the Petition of the late Bishop of Duresme; and desire their Concurrence, that the Trustees for the Sale of the Bishops Lands may pay him the Eight Hundred Pounds, according to the Ordinance of Parliament.

3. To recommend to them the Bishop of Armagh's Petition.

4. To desire their Concurrence in the Ordinance concerning Mr. Prince, with the Alteration.

Votes concerning the Propositions.

Next, the House took again into Consideration the Votes brought from the House of Commons, concerning the Matter of the Propositions to be sent to the King:

And the First Vote concerning the Militia was Agreed to, with some Alterations made in the Proposition.

The Seventh Alteration was passed, with an Amendment.

To all the rest of the Votes, this House concurred with the House of Commons.

Duke of Bucks Sequestration taken off.

"Be it Ordered and Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the Sequestration Real and Personal of George Duke of Buckingham be, and is from this Day, fully and clearly discharged and taken off; and all Committees and Sequestrators, and other Officers, in the several Counties and Places where any of the said Estate Real and Personal lies and is, are hereby required and ordered to take Notice of this Order, and to yield full and ready Obedience thereunto."

Votes concerning the Propositions.

Resolved, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled,

That the Matter of that Clause of the Twelfth Proposition lately presented unto the King, that concerns the raising Monies, for the Payment and satisfying the Public Debts and Damages, and other Public Uses, shall be prepared to be sent to the King, for His Consent.

Resolved, &c.

That the Matter of the Proposition concerning Titles of Honour shall be prepared to be sent to the King, for His Consent.

Resolved,

That the Matter of the Proposition concerning the Great Seal shall be prepared to be sent to the King, for His Consent.

Resolved,

That the Matter of the Proposition concerning the Sale of Bishops Lands shall be prepared to be sent to the King, for His Consent.

Resolved,

That the Matter of the Proposition for the utter abolishing and taking away of Archbishops, Bishops, their Chancellors, &c. out of the Churches of England and Ireland, and leaving out the last Clause; (videlicet,) ["with such Alterations concerning the Estates of Prelates as shall agree with the Articles of the late Treaty, of the Date at Edinburgh, 29 Novembris, 1643, and joint Declaration of both Kingdoms"], shall be prepared to be sent to the King, for His Consent.

Resolved, &c.

That the Matter of the Proposition, so far as relates to the declaring and making void the Cessation of Ireland, and to settle the Prosecution of the War of Ireland in both Houses of the Parliament of England, be prepared to be sent to the King, for His Consent.

Resolved, &c.

That the Matter of the Proposition concerning the nominating the Chief Officers of England and Ireland by both Houses of the Parliament of England, and, in the Intervals of Parliaments, by Committees of both Houses of Parliament nominated and appointed by the said Houses to that Purpose, shall be prepared and sent to the King, for His Consent."

Ordinance for Symonds to be a Fellow of Eaton College.

Whereas Doctor Stokes, late Fellow of Eaton Colledge, hath for divers Years together deserted his Fellowship, and adhered to the Forces raised against the Parliament, and hath resided in the King's Quarters and Garrisons in open Hostility, whereby the said Doctor Stokes hath justly forfeited his Fellowship, and left it void, as if he were naturally dead: Be it therefore Ordered and Ordained, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That Joseph Symonds, an approved orthodox Divine, be hereby made and constituted Fellow of Eaton Colledge aforesaid; and that he have and enjoy all lawful Rights, Privileges, and Emoluments, as fully and wholly as the said Doctor Stokes, or any other Fellow of the said College, had, hath, or ought to have; and the Solicitor is hereby required to prepare a Grant for the Great (fn. *) Seal, to this Effect; and the Commissioners of the Great Seal are hereby required to pass the same accordingly."

Ordinance for 1175 l. to Prince, for Provisions.

The humble Petition of Thomas Prince, Citizen and Cheesemonger of London, was this Day read; shewing, That there is due unto the Petitioner the Sum of Eight Hundred Ninety-nine Pounds, Seventeen Shillings, Eight Pence, for Cheese and Butter delivered for the Use of the State Four Years past, as likewise by Orders annexed appeareth:

It is Ordered and Ordained, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Payment be made of his just Debt, with Interest after Eight Pounds per Centum, which amounts to Eleven Hundred Seventy-five Pounds; (videlicet,) Eight Hundred Ninetyfive Pounds out of the Moiety of Fines and Composition-monies of Delinquents at Gouldsmiths Hall not engaged for Security, in Course, with Interest for the same, payable every Six Months, from this Time till it be paid; and the Residue thereof, being Two Hundred and Eighty Pounds, out of the Hands of such Person or Persons as the Petitioner shall make appear to have been Twice paid out of the State's Money for one and the same Debt; and that the Acquittance of the said Thomas Prince, or his Assigns, shall be a sufficient Warrant and Discharge to the Treasurers at Gouldsmiths Hall, for the Payment of the said Sum of Eight Hundred Ninety-five Pounds, and growing Interest, accordingly; and also that the Acquittance of the said Thomas Prince, or his Assignee, shall be a sufficient Warrant and Discharge to James Southeby, for the Payment of the said Sum of Two Hundred and Eighty Pounds, which Sum the said James Southeby hath received Twice over, out of the State's Money, for One and the same Debt, as he acknowledgeth under his Hand."

Ordinance for Hartford to be instituted to Cheriton.

Ordered, That Doctor Aylett give Institution and Induction unto Heritage Harteford Clerk, Master of Arts, to the Rectory of Cheriton, in the County of South'ton; salvo Jure cujuscunque; granted by the Great Seal of England.

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* Deest in Originali.