House of Lords Journal Volume 9
15 October 1647

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 9: 15 October 1647', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 9: 1646 (1767-1830), pp. 483-486. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37141 Date accessed: 20 September 2014.


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DIE Veneris, 15 die Octobris.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Ash.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Kent.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Northumb.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Ds. Grey.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. La Warr.
Ds. Wharton.

Heslerton and Hunton.

Ordered, That the Cause between Hislerton and Hunton shall be heard, by Counsel and Witnesses on both Sides, the 25th of this Instant October.

Corbet and Hunt.

Ordered, That the Cause between Corbett and Hunt shall be heard, by Counsel on both Sides, the 29th of this Instant October.

Stone and Sir R. Grosvenor.

Ordered, That the Errors between Thomas Stone Plaintiff and Sir Ric'd Grosevenner shall be heard, by Counsel at this Bar, argued on Wednesday next, videlicet, 20th October Instant.

Grigg and Leigh.

Ordered, That the Errors between Sara Grigg Plaintiff, and Christopher Leigh, shall be argued, at this Bar, by Counsel on both Sides, on Wednesday next, 20th October Instant.

Absent Lords to attend.

Ordered, That such Lords as are within Twenty Miles Distance from London shall have Summons to attend this House on Tuesday next; and those Lords that are further off shall be summoned to attend this House on Tuesday come Fortnight; and their Answers to be returned to this House; and such Lords as are in Town shall not be absent from their Attendance on this House, without Excuse made for their Absence.

Ordinances to clear the following Persons of their Delinquency.

These Ordinances for Discharge of Sequestrations, were read, and passed:

1. An Ordinance for Henry Ashford.
2. An Ordinance for Giles Carter.
3. An Ordinance for Christofer Brotheridge.
4. An Ordinance for John Butler.
5. An Ordinance for Edw'd Vernon.
6. An Ordinance for John Ouldfielde.
7. An Ordinance for John Hodson.
8. An Ordinance for Wm. Skipwith.
(Here enter them.)

Propositions for Peace.

The Lord Viscount Say & Seale reported from the Committee the Propositions which were agreed upon by the Houses, drawn up into Form; which were read:

1. The Proposition concerning the Militia.

Agreed to.

2. The Proposition concerning raising of Money.

Agreed to.

3. The Proposition concerning Titles of Honour.

Agreed to.

4. The Proposition concerning the Great Seal of England.

Agreed to.

5. The Proposition concerning abolishing of Bishops, and selling their Lands.

Agreed to.

6. The Proposition for abolishing Bishops, and Deans and Chapters.

7. The Proposition concerning Declarations and Oaths.

Agreed to.

8. The Proposition concerning Ireland.

Agreed to.

9. The Proposition concerning the Election of Great Officers.

Agreed to.

Next, were read the Votes of this House, drawn up into Propositions:

1. The Proposition concerning Delinquents.

Agreed to.

2. The Proposition concerning Religion.

3. The Proposition concerning Justices and Grand Jury Men.

Agreed to.

4. The Proposition concerning a Period of this Parliament, and sitting of those for the future.

Agreed to.

Ordered, That the Proposition concerning settling of Church Government is re-committed to the same Committee, to make some Alterations therein, according as was moved in the House; and the same Committee to bring in a Proposition concerning the Treaties.

The said Committees withdrew presently.

E. of Portland's Patent, to be Governor of the Isle of Wight, canceled.

Ordered, That the Patent of the Earl of Portland, for to be Captain and Governor of the Isle of Wight, be canceled, in the ordinary and usual Way as Patents are canceled.

Protest against the Proposition for Titles of Honour.

Memorandum, That, upon the passing of the Proposition concerning Titles of Honour, the Earl of Mulgrave did put the House in Mind of his former Protestation.

Message to the H. C. about the following Particulars; and to sit a while.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Dr. Aylett and (fn. *) Mr. Sadler:

1. To deliver to them the Ordinance concerning Foreign Silver, and desire their Concurrence therein.

2. To desire their Concurrence to the Report that Sir Charles Cote may be Vice Admiral of Ulster.

3. To deliver to them the Report concerning the Jurisdiction of the Admiralty Court, and desire it may be speedily settled.

4. To desire they would sit a while, for the Lords have some Business to impart to them.

Propositions for Peace.

The Lord Wharton reported the Proposition concerning the Treaties; which was read, and passed.

Ordinance concerning Guernsey, &c.

The Lord Wharton reported the Ordinance concerning the Isle of Guernsey, Sarke, and, as fit to pass, with Alterations.

Propositions for Peace.

The Lord Wharton also reported a Proposition concerning an Act of Oblivion; which was read, and Agreed to.

Also his Lordship reported a Proposition concerning the restoring His Majesty's Person, His Queen, and Royal (fn. *) Issue, to a Condition of Safety, Honour, and Freedom, and to their Revenues for the future, and to the Exercise of their just and legal Rights; the Things proposed being granted, &c. Read, and approved of.

The Lord Viscount Say & Seale reported the Proposition concerning settling of Church Government, with the Additions; which was read, and approved of.

Committees to join with the Scots Commissioners, to present the Propositions to the King.

Ordered, To let the House of Commons know, "That the Lords think it fit, that there be a Committee of both Houses appointed, to join with the Commissioners of Scotland, to carry the Propositions to the King; and to inforce by Reasons and Arguments the Justness and Necessity of His Majesty's giving His Consent unto them; and humbly to desire and insist upon His Majesty's giving His positive Answer and Consent; and to return unto the Houses of Parliament within Ten Days."

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Matter of the Propositions, which have been sent to this House from the House of Commons, now drawn into Form, and the Propositions now sent to the House of (fn. †) Commons from the House of Peers, be those which shall be sent to the King, without any other Addition.

Ordered, That the Concurrence of the House of Commons be desired herein.

Answer from the H. C.

Dr. Aylett and Mr. Sadler return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That they agree to the Ordinance concerning Foreign Silver: (Here enter it.) To all the rest, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Message to them, with the Propositions to be sent to the King; and to acquaint the the Scots Commissioners with the sending them.

A Message was sent to the (fn. ‡) House of Commons, by Dr. Aylett and Mr. Sadler:

1. To deliver to them the Propositions to be sent to the King, with the Sense and Votes of this House thereupon, made this Day; and desire their Concurrence therein.

2. To put them in Mind of a former Message sent from this House, concerning acquainting the Scotts with the sending to the King.

Ordinance to clear Ashford of his Delinquency.

Whereas Henry Ashford, in the County of Devon, Esquire, hath by both Houses of Parliament been admitted to his Fine of Eleven Hundred and Fifty Pounds, he having adhered to the Forces raised against the Parliament: The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do hereby authorize and appoint His Majesty's Solicitor General to prepare a Pardon to the said Henry Ashford, for his said Offence, in such Form as is agreed by both Houses for like Offenders, together with a Grant of, and Restitution to him, his Heirs and Assigns, of all his Lands, Goods, and Chattels, and other Estate for which the said Fine was accepted, according to a Particular thereof made, and entered with the Committee at Gouldsmiths Hall, and of all Mean Profits thereof, to the said Henry Ashford, from the Day of Payment of his said Fine, with an Exception of the Right or Estate of the said Henry Ashford in and to all Advowsons, Presentations, and Right of Patronage, to any Church or Chapel; which said Pardon, so prepared, the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England for the Time being are hereby authorized to pass under the Great Seal accordingly: Provided always, That this Ordinance, or the said Pardon thereon to be passed, shall not extend to free the said Henry Ashford from any further Composition, for any other Lands, Goods, or Chattels, than what are contained in the Particular aforesaid; and that, in case the said Lands mentioned in the said Particular were of greater Yearly Values than are therein expressed during Three Years before the Year of our Lord 1640, then the said Henry Ashford shall pay such further Fine, by Way of Composition, as both Houses of Parliament shall appoint."

Carter, D°.

"Whereas Giles Carter, of Turkedeane, in the County of Gloucester, Esquire, hath by both Houses of Parliament been admitted to his Fine of Seven Hundred and Eighty Pounds, he having been in Arms against the Parliament: The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do hereby authorize and appoint His Majesty's Solicitor General to prepare a Pardon to the said Giles Carter, for his said Offence, in such Form as is agreed by both Houses for like Offenders, together with a Grant of, and Restitution to him, his Heirs and Assigns, of all his Lands, Goods, and Chattels, and other Estate for which the said Fine was accepted, according to a Particular thereof made, and entered with the Committee at Gouldsmiths Hall, and of all Mean Profits thereof, from the 23th Day of July, 1646, with an Exception of the Right or Estate of the said Giles Carter in or to all Advowsons, Presentations, and Right of Patronage, to any Church or Chapel; which said Pardon, so prepared, the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England for the Time being are hereby likewise authorized to pass under the said Great Seal accordingly: Provided always, That this Ordinance, or the said Pardon thereon to be passed, shall not extend to free the said Giles Carter from a further Composition, for any other Lands, Goods, or Chattels, than what are contained in the Particular aforesaid; and that, in case the said Lands mentioned in the said Particular were of greater Yearly Value than are therein expressed during Three Years before the Year of our Lord 1640, then the said Giles Carter shall pay such further Fine, by Way of Composition, as both Houses of Parliament shall appoint."

Brodridge, D°.

"Whereas Christopher Brodridge, in the City of Exon, Merchant, hath by both Houses of Parliament been admitted to his Fine of One Hundred and Seventy Pounds, he having been in Arms against the Parliament: The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do hereby authorize and appoint His Majesty's Solicitor General to prepare a Pardon to the said Christopher Brodridge, for his said Offence, in such Form as shall be agreed by both Houses for like Offenders, together with a Grant of, and Restitution to him, his Heirs and Assigns, of all his Lands, Goods, and Chattels, and other Estate for which the said Fine was accepted, according to a Particular thereof made, and entered with the Committee at Gouldsmiths Hall, and of all Mean Profits thereof, from the 6th Day of August, 1646, with an Exception of the Right or Estate of the said Christopher Brodridge in or to all Advowsons, Presentations, and Right of Patronage, to any Church or Chapel; which said Pardon, so prepared, the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England for the Time being are hereby likewise authorized to pass under the said Great Seal accordingly: Provided always, That this Ordinance, or the said Pardon thereon to be passed, shall not extend to free the said Christopher Brodridge from any further Composition, for any other Lands, Goods, or Chattels, than what are contained in the Particular aforesaid; and that, in case the said Lands mentioned in the said Particular were of greater Yearly Value than are therein expressed during Three Years before the Year of our Lord 1640, then the said Christopher Brodridge shall pay such further Fine, by Way of Composition, as both Houses of Parliament shall appoint."

Butler, D°.

"Whereas John Butler, of the City of Exceter, Merchant, hath, by both Houses of Parliament been admitted to his Fine of One Hundred and Eighty Pounds, he having been in Arms against the Parliament: The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do hereby authorize and appoint His Majesty's Solicitor General to prepare a Pardon to the said John Butler, for his said Offence, in such Form as is agreed by both Houses for like Offenders, together with a Grant of, and Restitution to him, his Heirs and Assigns, of all his Lands, Goods, and Chattels, and other Estate for which the said Fine was accepted, according to a Particular thereof made, and entered with the Committee at Gouldsmiths Hall, and of all Mean Profits thereof, from the 7th Day of August, 1646, with an Exception of the Right or Estate of the said John Butler in or to all Advowsons, Presentations, and Right of Patronage, to any Church or Chapel; which said Pardon, so prepared, the Commissioners of the Great Seal of England for the Time being are hereby likewise authorized to pass under the said Great Seal accordingly: Provided always, That this Ordinance, or the said Pardon thereon to be passed, shall not extend to free the said John Butler from a further Composition, for any Lands, Goods, or Chattels, than what are contained in the Particular aforesaid; and that, in case the said Lands mentioned in the said Particular were of greater Yearly Value than are therein expressed during Three Years before the Year of our Lord 1640, then the said John Butler shall pay such further Fine, by Way of Composition, as both Houses of Parliament shall appoint"

Vernon, D°.

"Whereas Edward Vernon, of Hanbury, in the County of Worcester, Gentleman, hath by both Houses of Parliament been admitted to his Fine of Four Hundred Pounds, for that he adhered unto and assisted the King, against the Parliament: The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do hereby authorize and appoint His Majesty's Solicitor General to prepare a Pardon for the said Edward Vernon, for his said Offence, in such Form as is agreed by both Houses for like Offenders, together with a Grant of, and Restitution to him, his Heirs and Assigns, of all his Lands, Goods, and Chattels, and other Estate for which the said Fine was accepted, according to a Particular thereof made, and entered with the Committee at Gouldsmiths Hall, and of all Mean Profits thereof, to the said Edward Vernon, from the 9th Day of July, 1645, with an Exception of the Right or Estate of the said Edward Vernon in or to all Advowsons, Presentations, and Right of Patronage, to any Church or Chapel; which said Pardon, so prepared, the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England for the Time being are hereby authorized to pass under the said Great Seal accordingly: Provided always, That this Ordinance, or the said Pardon thereon to be passed, shall not extend to free the said Edward Vernon from any further Composition, for any other Lands, Goods, or Chattels, than what are contained in the Particular aforesaid; and that, in case the said Lands mentioned in the said Particular were of greater Yearly Values than are therein expressed during Three Years before the Year of our Lord 1640, then the said Edward Vernon shall pay such further Fine, by Way of Composition, as both Houses of Parliament shall appoint."

Oldseild, D°.

Whereas John Oldfeild, of Spalding, in the County of Lincolne, Esquire, hath by both Houses of Parliament been admitted to his Fine of Thirteen Hundred and Ninety Pounds, for that he was in Arms against the Parliament: The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do hereby authorize and appoint His Majesty's Solicitor General to prepare a Pardon to the said John Oldfeild, for his said Offence, in such Form as is agreed by both Houses for like Offenders, together with a Grant of, and Restitution to him, his Heirs and Assigns, of all his Lands, Goods, and Chattels, and other Estate for which the said Fine was accepted, according to a Particular thereof made, and entered with the Committee at Gouldsmiths Hall, and of all Mean Profits thereof, to the said John Oldfeild, from the 15th Day of December, 1645, with an Exception of the Right or Estate of the said John Oldfeild in or to all Advowsons, Presentations, and Right of Patronage, to any Church or Chapel; which said Pardon, so prepared, the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England for the Time being are hereby authorized to pass under the said Great Seal accordingly: Provided always, That this Ordinance, or the said Pardon thereon to be passed, shall not extend to free the said John Oldfeild from any further Composition, for any other Lands, Goods, or Chattels, than what are contained in the Particular aforesaid; and that, in case the said Lands mentioned in the said Particulars were of greater Yearly Values than are therein expressed during Three Years before the Year of our Lord 1640, then the said John Oldfeild shall pay such further Fine, by Way of Composition, as both Houses of Parliament shall appoint."

Hodgson, D°.

"Whereas John Hodgson, of Beeston, in the County of Yorke, Gentleman, hath by both Houses of Parliament been admitted to his Fine of Five Hundred and Ninety Pounds, having adhered to the Forces raised against the Parliament: The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do hereby authorize and appoint His Majesty's Solicitor General to prepare a Pardon to the said John Hodgson, for his said Offence, in such Form as is agreed by both Houses for like Offenders, with a Grant of, and Restitution to him, his Heirs and Assigns, of all his Lands, Goods, and Chattels, and other Estate for which the said Fine was accepted, according to a Particular thereof made, and entered with the Committee at Gouldsmiths Hall, and of all Mean Profits thereof, to the said John Hodgson, from the 27th Day of April, 1646, with an Exception of the Right or Estate of the said John Hodgson in or to all Advowsons, Presentations, and Right of Patronage, to any Church or Chapel; which said Pardon, so prepared, the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England for the Time being are hereby authorized to pass under the said Great Seal accordingly: Provided always, That this Ordinance, or the said Pardon thereon to be passed, shall not extend to free the said John Hodgson from any further Composition, for any other Lands, Goods, or Chattels, than what are contained in the Particular aforesaid; and that, in case the said Lands mentioned in the said Particular were of greater Yearly Values than are therein expressed during Three Years before the Year of our Lord 1640, then the said John Hodgson shall pay such further Fine, by Way of Composition, as both Houses of Parliament shall appoint."

Skipwith, D°.

"Whereas William Skipwith, of Ketsby, in the County of Lincolne, Gentleman, hath by both Houses of Parliament been admitted to his Fine of One Hundred Sixty and Seven Pounds, he having been in Arms against the Parliament: The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do hereby authorize and appoint His Majesty's Solicitor General to prepare a Pardon to the said William Skipwith, for his said Offence, in such Form as is agreed by both Houses for like Offenders, together with a Grant of, and Restitution to him, his Heirs and Assigns, of all his Lands, Goods, and Chattels, and other Estate for which the said Fine was accepted, according to a Particular thereof made, and entered with the Committee at Gouldsmiths Hall, and of all Mean Profits thereof, to the said Wm. Skipwith, with an Exception of the Right or Estate of the said William Skipw'th in or to all Advowsons, Presentations, and Right of Patronage, to any Church or Chapel; which said Pardon, so prepared, the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England for the Time being are hereby authorized to pass under the said Great Seal accordingly: Provided always, That this Ordinance, or the said Pardon thereon to be passed, shall not extend to free the said William Skipwith from any further Composition, for any other Lands, Goods, or Chattels, than what are contained in the Particular aforesaid; and that, in case the said Lands mentioned in the said Particulars were of greater Yearly Values than are therein expressed during Three Years before the Year of our Lord 1640, then the said Wm. Skipwith shall pay such further Fine, by Way of Composition, as both Houses of Parliament shall appoint."

Ordinance to take off the Duty of Two perCent. on the Exportation of Foreign Silver.

"The Lords and Commons now in Parliament assembled, upon great and weighty Considerations them thereunto moving, have thought fit to ordain, and be it Ordained by the said Lords and Commons, That the Payment or Duty of Two per Cent. upon the Exportation of Foreign Silver to be imported into this Kingdom, heretofore imposed, shall cease and determine, and not be required: Provided always, That One full Third Part of the said Foreign Silver, upon the Importation thereof, shall be brought to the Mint in The Tower of London, there to be converted into English Coin, according to the general Course. And this Ordinance to continue until the said Lords and Commons shall see Cause to give Order therein."

House adjourned till 10a Tuesday next.

Footnotes

* Origin. Dr. Mr.
* Origin. Issue be restored.
Deest in Originali.
Bis in Originali.