House of Lords Journal Volume 9
20 November 1647

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 9: 20 November 1647', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 9: 1646 (1767-1830), pp. 534-537. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37167 Date accessed: 20 August 2014.


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DIE Saturni, 20 die Novembris.
Answer from the H. C. Sheriffs of Counties: To pay no Fees on passing their Accompts. Message from the H. C. for Committees to go with the Propositions to the King;—for Committees to consider of the late Mutiny in the Army, &c.—and with a Letter from Sir T. Fairfax, for the Arrears of the Army. Committee to go to the Common Council, for bringing in the Arrears of the Army. Committee to consider of the London Agents. Answer to the H. C. Message to them, for Committees to consider of the London Agents; and for the Scots Commissioners to be pressed to give an Answer concerning the Propositions. Congham and Shipden. Letter to Sir T. Fairfax. Propositions for Peace. Complaint against Cawdrey. Letter from Col. Jones. L. Roberts to attend. Barringer, to be Sheriff of Bucks; Elliott, of Cornwall; Barwis, of Cumb; Wilbraham, of Chester; Savage, of Dorset; Foulthrop, of Durham; Chibburne, of Essex; Savile, of York; Hale, of Hertf.; Kirle, of Heref.; Sir S. Scot, of Kent; Pochin, of Leicester; Ireland, of Lancashire; Morgan, of Monmouth; Sacheverell, of Nott.; Lisle, of Northumb. Chamberlain, of Oxon; Turner, of Surrey; Chetwin, of Stafford; Cotton, of Salop; Kerrege, of Suffolk; Preston, of Somerset; Steward, of Sussex; Sir T. Rous, of Worcester; Buckley, of Anglesea; Santley, of Denbigh; Hanmer, of Flint; Jones, of Glamorg.; Salisbury, of Merion.; Woogan, of Pembroke; and Morgan, of Mountgom. Letter of Thanks to Sir T. Fairfax, for suppressing the Mutiny in the Army. Letter from Sir T. Fairfax, desiring the Assessments for the Arrears of the Army may be immediately paid in, and the Penalties raised on those who neglects it. Letter from Col. Jones, that the Rebels had advanced near Dublin; but that he had pursued them back to The Boyne; and desiring Supplies for his Army. Adjourn. Footnotes

DIE Saturni, 20 die Novembris.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Salawey.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Comes Manchester, Speaker.

Comes Kent.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Salisbury.
Comes Mulgrave.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Denbigh.
Ds. Mountagu.
Ds. Grey.

Answer from the H. C.

Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That they agree to have the King's Letter communicated to the Scotts Commissioners: To all the rest, they (fn. *) will send an Answer by Messengers of their own, speedily.

Sheriffs of Counties:

The Names of the Sheriffs were read; and some were Agreed to, and some were respited for a while; others were changed. (Here enter the Names of those agreed.)

To pay no Fees on passing their Accompts.

An Order was read, That the Sheriffs shall pay no Fees for passing their Accompts in the Exchequer; and respited.

Message from the H. C. for Committees to go with the Propositions to the King;—for Committees to consider of the late Mutiny in the Army, &c.—and with a Letter from Sir T. Fairfax, for the Arrears of the Army.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Henry Mildmay Knight:

1. To desire their Lordships would appoint a Committee, and they will appoint a Committee of a proportionable Number, to go with the Propositions to the King on Monday next.

2. To acquaint their Lordships, that they have appointed a Committee of a proportionable Number, to examine the Business concerning the London Agents; and that they agree that the Three Papers sent from the Lords that came from Nottingham, concerning the London Agents, be referred to that Committee.

3. To acquaint their Lordships with the Letter sent to Mr. Scowen, from the General: (Here enter the Letter.) And to desire their Lordships to appoint a Committee, to join with a Committee of a proportionable Number, to go to a Common Council, to acquaint them with this Letter, and with the Inconveniencies that must necessarily follow, if effectual Course be not taken for the speedy bringing in the Arrears due to the Army.

Committee to go to the Common Council, for bringing in the Arrears of the Army.

Ordered, That these Lords following are appointed to go to the Common Council, as is desired:

Comes Northumb.
Comes Kent.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Salisbury.
Comes Mulgrave.
Ds. Grey.

Any Two; to go at Three a Clock this Afternoon.

Committee to consider of the London Agents.

Ordered, That the Committee concerning the London Agents do meet on Monday next, in the Afternoon, at Three a Clock, in the Lord Keeper's Lodgings.

The Answer returned was:

Answer to the H. C.

That this House hath appointed a Committee of Six Lords, to join with a proportionable Number of the House of Commons, to go to the Common Council this Afternoon, at Three of the Clock: To the rest, their Lordships will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Message to them, for Committees to consider of the London Agents;

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Edward Leech and Mr. Page:

1. To let them know, that their Lordships have appointed the Committee to examine the Business concerning the London Agents on Monday next, in the Afternoon, at Three a Clock, in the Lord Keeper's Lodgings.

and for the Scots Commissioners to be pressed to give an Answer concerning the Propositions.

2. To let them know, that the Lords have not received any positive Answer from the Commissioners of Scotland, touching the sending the Propositions to the King on Monday next, and thereupon the Propositions are not yet ingrossed; and therefore the Lords forbear to name a Committee as yet, to present them; but desire that the Members of both Houses, that are of the Committee of both Kingdoms, may meet this Afternoon, at Four a Clock, at Derby House, to press the Scotts Commissioners therein.

Congham and Shipden.

Ordered, That the Business between Congham and Shipden shall be heard, on Tuesday Morning next, by Counsel on both Sides, whereof Notice is to be given.

Letter to Sir T. Fairfax.

A Letter was read, to be sent to the General, from this House, (fn. *) and was Agreed to. (Here enter it.)

Propositions for Peace.

Ordered, That this House will take the Propositions again into Consideration on Monday Morning next.

Complaint against Cawdrey.

Ordered, That the Complaint against Mr. Cawdrey shall be heard on Friday next.

Letter from Col. Jones.

A Letter from Colonel Jones, in Ireland, was read.

(Here enter it.)

L. Roberts to attend.

Ordered, That the Lord Robertes shall be summoned to attend this House on Monday next, being the 22th of this Instant November.

Barringer, to be Sheriff of Bucks;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Richard Barringer Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Bucks; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Elliott, of Cornwall;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint John Elliott Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Cornwall; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Barwis, of Cumb;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint John Barwis Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Cumberland; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Wilbraham, of Chester;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Roger Wilbraham Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Chester; and that the Commissioners of the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Savage, of Dorset;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Wm. Savadge Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Dorsett; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Foulthrop, of Durham;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Clement Foulthrope Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Dur'sme; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Chibburne, of Essex;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Hannaniell Chibburne, of Messing, Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Essex; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Savile, of York;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint John Savile, of Medley, Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Yorke; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Hale, of Hertf.;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Rowland Hale Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Hertford; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Kirle, of Heref.;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Francis Kirle Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Hereford; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Sir S. Scot, of Kent;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Sir Stephen Scott Knight, to be Sheriff of the County of Kent; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Pochin, of Leicester;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint George Pochin Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Leicester; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Ireland, of Lancashire;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Gilbert Ireland Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Lancaster; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission unto him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Morgan, of Monmouth;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint William Morgan, of Pencrigge, Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Monmouth; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission unto him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Sacheverell, of Nott.;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Henry Sacheverell Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Nottingham; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Lisle, of Northumb.

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Robert Lisle, of Felton, Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Northumberland; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Chamberlain, of Oxon;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Mr. Chamberlaine, of Bishopps Lands, Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Oxon; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Turner, of Surrey;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint John Turner, of Ham, Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Surrey; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Chetwin, of Stafford;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Walter Chetwind, of Ingshee, Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Stafford; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Cotton, of Salop;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Wm. Cotton Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Salop; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Kerrege, of Suffolk;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Thomas Kerrege Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Suffolke; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Preston, of Somerset;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint John Preston Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Som'sett; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Steward, of Sussex;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Humphry Steward Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Sussex; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Sir T. Rous, of Worcester;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Sir Thomas Rous Baronet, to be Sheriff of the County of Worcester; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Buckley, of Anglesea;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint William Buckley, of Cogden, Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Anglesey; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Santley, of Denbigh;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Robert Santley Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Denbigh; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Hanmer, of Flint;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Robert Hanmer Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Flint; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Jones, of Glamorg.;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Richard Jones Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Glamorgan; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Salisbury, of Merion.;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Owen Salisbury Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Merioneth; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Woogan, of Pembroke;

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Abraham Woogan Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Pembrook; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

and Morgan, of Mountgom.

"The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament do nominate and appoint Mathew Morgan Esquire, to be Sheriff of the County of Mountgom'y; and that the Commissioners for the Great Seal of England do issue a Commission to him, to be Sheriff of the said County, accordingly."

Letter of Thanks to Sir T. Fairfax, for suppressing the Mutiny in the Army.

"SIR,

"I am commanded, by the Lords in Parliament, to return you Thanks, for the great Care and Faithfulness which you have expressed, by the seasonable suppressing of those mutinous Persons, whose factious Designs might probably have destroyed the good Discipline of the Army, and likewise endangered the Safety of the Parliament, with a Hazard of the Subversion of the fundamental Government of this Kingdom. They are well pleased that some Justice hath been done upon those that appeared in Opposition to you; and they desire you still to continue your Care, to the further Execution of exemplary Punishment upon those who have or shall endeavour to raise Mutinies, and factiously to subvert the orderly Regulation of the Army; and they shall be ready to improve their Interest for Satisfaction in those Things that may tend to the Preservation of the Order and Quiet of the Army; in order to which, they have recommended to the House of Commons, that a speedy Course may be taken, for the satisfying of the Arrears of the Army, and for such a Settlement of Pay for the future, that the Kingdom may not continue under the Burden of Free Quarter, nor the Soldiers be put to Shifts. This is that which I have in Command, as

"Your Excellency's
Friend and Servant."

Letter from Sir T. Fairfax, desiring the Assessments for the Arrears of the Army may be immediately paid in, and the Penalties raised on those who neglects it.

"SIR,

"I have, in Expectation of the Arrears due from the City, lain with the Army about London so long, and so much to the Oppression of the Parts adjacent, as I cannot continue it much longer hereabouts, without intolerable Oppression, if not Undoing, to very many: Yet I cannot but be sensible of the many ill Consequences of the Example of many in the City, in so obstinate withholding what hath been so long due; and that in Affront to so many Ordinances and Demands of Parliament, and in the Face of an Army, at a Time when they have made themselves so obnoxious to both. If they shall not now be forced to pay, or if, after so wilful Delay, they should escape with the bare Payment of the Arrears at last, I can expect no less but that, in other Parts of the Kingdom, Friends would hence receive Discouragement from paying theirs, and Enemies encouraged to withhold their Taxes so long as they can: Therefore, upon Advice with my Council of War, I desire that those who, after so many Warnings from the Parliament, and a Penalty of Double the Value imposed upon the Nonpayment of it within the Time limited, have yet withheld their Due so long beyond their Time, may now be compelled to pay their full Penalty, as well as the Sum due, and no less may henceforth be accepted from any that have not already paid. And for the speedy levying of both, I have (with the Advice aforesaid) appointed Colonel Hewson, with a Thousand Foot, to come and quarter To-morrow within the City, and given him order to repair to you for Directions in that Service, and therein to observe what Directions yourself, with the Committee of the Army, shall give him. I desire no Time may be lost, for the speedy Finishing of this Business, that so I may, without Danger of such ill Consequences as are aforementioned, speedily withdraw the Army from the Parts about the City.

Kingston, 19th of Nov. 1647.

"Your very assured Friend,
Tho. Fairefax.

"For the Honoured Rob't Scawen, in the Chair of the Committee of the Army. These."

Letter from Col. Jones, that the Rebels had advanced near Dublin; but that he had pursued them back to The Boyne; and desiring Supplies for his Army.

"Right Honourable,

"About the Beginning of this Month, Owen Roe O Neale, the Rebels Ulster General, with about Twelve Thousand, whereof Eight Thousand Foot and Two Thousand Horse, the rest Pedees, Women, and Children, advanced into our Quarters, and that within less than Five Miles of Dublin, which was done without the least Intimation thereof given here; so little are we to rely on the Affections of the Irish in our Quarters, Contributaries; and so great may be the Disadvantages to the State, for Want of a Course settled for Intelligence, which, in the Evils now thereby appearing, I desire may be taken into speedy Consideration; the Irish being a People to be brought, though to the Betraying of their dearest Friends. This Power of the Enemy's lay so within us, as all Intercourse with the dispersed Garrisons was for the Time obstructed. But he drawing towards the Sea Side, we found Means for drawing together, which we did, to a Body of Three Thousand Foot and Fourteen Hundred Horse; which, though far short of the Enemy's Forces, yet would he not so much as look upon us, but, at the very Notice of us, forthwith marched away, without resting Day or Night until they got out of our Quarters, and that in such Haste, that, in following them, we took up their Knapsacks, and other Things (to them of Value) here and (fn. *) there scattered. They were pursued to the River of The Boyne, nigh to Terroghan; and in the Way we gleaned up of them about Five Hundred, and took from them a good Prey of Cattle; hereby preserving all the Out Garrisons from any Thing on them attempted. But, before any of all this could be done, most of the Quarters hereabouts have been fired, so as the Distress for Corn is already very great; and much greater must needs be, if not thence speedily and in some good Measure supplied. Upon my private Account, I have provided Bread, Money, and Cheese, for the Army here, for Seven Weeks last past, which I shall not be much longer able to do; partly in that the Contractors cannot (in this Spoil (fn. †) made of Corn) provide as formerly, and partly in the thereby Raising of the Price of the Corn, which must be with much Disadvantage to the State.

"As soon as I find the Enemy's Forces dispersed to their Winter Quarters, I shall advance, for further enlarging our Quarters, and distraining what of theirs I cannot make Use of; this last for disenabling the Enemy, the former for quartering out those of the Army which here cannot be provided: For the dispersing of these Forces cannot be done without Disadvantage; yet is it unavoidable, in respect of the present Necessity. Never better Men for Service than these; therefore by all Means to be cherished. I must again earnestly press the speedy supplying this War with what hath been in all Kinds formerly to your Honours offered concerning it, whereby I shall be enabled to serve the State in some Way answerable to my Desires and your Lordship's Expectation, which shall be the Endeavours of (my Lord)

Dublin, Nov. 10th, 1647.

"Your Lordship's
Most faithful Servant,
Mic. Jones.

"To the Right Honourable the Earl of Manchester, Speaker of the Lords House. These present."

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 10a, Monday.

Footnotes

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