House of Lords Journal Volume 6
13 May 1643

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 6: 13 May 1643', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 6: 1643 (1767-1830), pp. 44-46. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37245 Date accessed: 01 August 2014.


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DIE Sabbati, videlicet, 13 die Maii.

PRAYERS.

Earl of Manchester, Speaker this Day.

Sequestration of Southwell from Doctor Baker.

Ordered, That this House will hear the Charge against Doctor Baker, Parson of Southwell, on Tuesday next, peremptorily; and that he shall pay the Charges of the Witnesses from this Day to Tuesday next.

Sir John Lenthall to attend, about Dalbeer's being released.

Information was given to this House, "That John Dalbeer was a Prisoner in The King's Bench, and is now in the Army, whereupon Sir John Lenthall is sued for the Debt of the said Dalbeere, for his being released from the Prison:" It is Ordered, That Sir John Lenthall shall attend this House on Monday Morning next, and inform this House how the said Dalbeere was released.

Judges Answers to the Impeachment about Shipmoney.

Ordered, That this House doth respite the putting in of the Answers of Mr. Baron Trevor and Sir Jo. Brampston Knight, concerning the Charge of the House of Commons concerning Ship-money, only until there be an Account given of serving the Order upon the rest of the Judges that are impeached, and the further Pleasure of this House to be signified.

Sympson's Submission, for scandalous Words against the E. of Holland.

William Sympson, Serjeant, that was sentenced by this House for speaking scandalous Words against the Earl of Holland, was brought to the Bar, and acknowledged his Sorrow for wronging the Earl of Holland, by speaking these Words, and desired his Lordship's Pardon for the same, and acknowledged the Sentence of this House to be just upon him: Hereupon this House Ordered, That the said Sympson shall make the same Acknowledgement on Monday next, in the Courts in Westm. Hall, and after that to be discharged and released of his present Imprisonment.

Hill, Under keeper of Windsor Little Park, Submission to Mr. Maxwell.

Ordered, That Ric'd Hill, an Under-keeper of the Little Park in Windsor, committed to Newgate for raising a scandalous Report of James Maxwell Esquire, Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod, and carrying himself insolently towards him; the said Hill having submitted himself to Mr. Maxwell: It is Ordered, That he shall be released from his Imprisonment concerning this Business.

Message from the H. C. to expedite the Ordinance to sequester Lord Capel's Estate to the Lord General's Use;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Stroude, which consisted of these Particulars:

That whereas their Lordships, at a Conference Yesterday, communicated divers Particulars concerning the Army to the House of Commons, they are taking the same into Consideration, and hope to give their Lordships a speedy Answer; and, in the mean Time, they desire their Lordships to expedite the Order for sequestering the Lord Capell's Estate, to the Use of the Lord General.

and the Declaration about the Treaty;

2. They desire their Lordships to expedite the Declaration setting forth the State of the Treaty with the King, it being a Thing that the Kingdom expects.

and to sit a while.

3. They desire that their Lordships will please to fit a while.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That their Lordships will take the Ordinance concerning the Lord Capell's Estate, and the Declaration, into speedy Consideration, and return an Answer by Messengers of their own; and that their Lordships will fit a while, as is desired.

Message from the H. C. for a Conference about the Army and other Particulars.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by the Lord Grey of Ruthin:

1. To desire a Conference, concerning the Conference Yesterday, touching the Lord General and the Army.

2. Concerning the Masts for Ships in Kinsale.

3. Touching some Papers received from the Scotts Commissioners.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House will give a present Conference, in the Painted Chamber, as is desired.

Johnson versus Ingram, concerning the Parsonage of Paulsbury.

Upon reading the Petition of Ezechiell Johnson Clerk, complaining, "That, by Colour of a Writ de Vi Laica amovenda, unduly procured by Peter Ingram Clerk, he was, in March last, contrary to Law, and in High Contempt of the Orders of this House, violently thrown out of his Possession of the Parsonage of Paulesberry, in the County of North'ton, and all his Corn, Hay, and other Goods, seized on:" Hereupon this House (fn. *) Ordered, That Sir Nathaniell Brent shall have a Copy of this Petition, and attend this House on Monday next, to inform this House further concerning this Business.

Report of the Conference about the Army.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed.

Then the Speaker reported the Effect of this Conference:

"1. The House of Commons agree with their Lordships of settling some constant Way of raising Monies for the Supply of the Army; and they desire that a Committee of both Houses may be appointed, to go to the Common Council this Afternoon, in the City of London, and declare unto them the Necessity of it.

"2. The House of Commons agrees with their Lordships, in giving Public Thanks to the Lord General; and desire that the Speakers of both Houses may go to his Lordship, and give him Thanks in the Name of both Houses.

"3. (fn. *) They desire that the Lord General may take the Examination why his Commands were not observed and obeyed by the Commanders of the Forces in the North; and that they will join in any Way that may better strengthen him in his Power, and enable him to be better obeyed for the future.

about Papers from the Scots Commissioners, concerning their Army in Ireland;

"The Second Part of the Conference was, To present to their Lordships some Papers they have received from the Scotts Commissioners, touching the Scottish Army in Ireland, with an Answer to them, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence."

The Answer was read, and agreed to. (Here enter it.)

and about the Order for Masts from Kinsale.

"The Third Part was, concerning the Masts at Kinsale to be brought away; and they desired their Lordships Concurrence in the Order, because the Masts being but few, and in great Danger there, and of such Sizes as are not to be gotten in other Places for Money."

Upon this, the Order was read and agreed to. (Here enter it.)

Ordered, That this House agrees to send a Committee of Lords, with a Committee of the House of Commons, to the City, concerning the Settling of a constant Supply of Money for the Army.

Committee to go to the City, about a constant Supply for the Army.

And these Lords following were appointed to go this Afternoon, as is desired:

Earl Rutland.
Earl Manchester.
Lord Viscount Say & Seale.
Lord Wharton.

Message to the H. C. on the Subject of the Conference.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Dr. Aylett and Dr. Heath:

To let them know, that this (fn. †) House agrees with them in the Answer to be sent to the Scotts Commissioners, and to the Order concerning the Masts, and to the sending of the Speakers of both Houses, to give the Lord General Thanks; and that their Lordships have appointed a Committee of Four Lords, to join with a proportionable Number of the House of Commons, to go into the City of London, to the Common Council.

Paper from the Scotch Commissioners about their Army in Ireland.

"I have often, these Eight or Nyne Months past, in our several Meeteings and Conferences, shawne to your Lordships, and these noble Gentlemen of the House of Commons, the hard Condition of our Army in Ireland, by reason of the greate Arrears dewe to thame, which alsoe I have Twice in Paper desired you to represent to both Houses of Parliament; first, upon the 24th of December last, whereupon I was (by the Resolution of both Houses, delivered to me by your Lordships and these noble Gentlemen, in Answere thereto) put in Hopes, and desired to signify to the Councell of Scotland, that a considerable Some (although not the compleate Arreare, because the Muster Rolls were not then produced to the Parliament) should have beene then instantly provided, for the Supply of theire pressing Wants; notwithstanding whereof, no Kinde of Reliefe hes beene sent from this to that Army; thaire Arrears are daily increasing, thay thameselves are starving, and not able to doe the Service expected from thame; whereupon I wes constrayned, upon the 27th of January last, to give to your Lordships and these noble Gentlemen annother Paper to that same Purpose, together with the persite Muster Rolls of the Army, which were then Ordained to be revised by a Committee, from both Houses, appointed for that End; and yet neither are the Accompts ended, nor any Course taken for Payment of the greate Arrears dewe to that Army, although I have often desired it, by my Letters to your Lordships from Oxford, by my Instructions to Mr. Thomsone Treasurer of that Army, and have had several Meeteings with you since my Retourne from Oxford thereanent; in regard whereof, and of the Shortnes of the Tyme allowed me for my Stay heir, I intreate your Lordships and these noble Gentlemen againe to represent this to both Houses of Parliament, that, by theire Directions, the Compts may be put to a Pointe, and the Arrears presently payd.

Westm. 6 Maii, 1643.

"Ja. Primerose."

Another Paper from them about it.

"I have often presented to your Lordships and these noble Gentlemen of the House of Commons the present Estate and hard Condition of our Army in Ireland, with the greate Difficultyes they have undergone since thair Arrivall there, having never any One Moneth beene compleately paid, noe competent Magazines of Victuall ever provided for thame, and these full Six Moneths haveing received nothing either in Money or Victuals, which hath beene a greate Prejudice to the Service, the Ruine of many of the poor Sojours, and had undoubtedly ruined all if they had not received some Supplyes from Scotland: Thairefore, being comaunded by the Councell of Scotland, I intreate your Lordships and these noble Gentlemen to represent to both Houses of Parliament, that either thay wald take Course that the Arrears bee presently paid, and Magazins of Victuall laid upp in convenient Places, without which the Army cannott subsist, and doe the Service expected from thame, or otherwayes that the Councell of Scotland will be constrayned to crave that His Majesty and the Parliament will bee pleased to give Warrant for paying the by-gone Arrears dewe to the Army, and provide Meanes for re-calling the same."

Westm. 27th January, 1643.

Answer to these Papers.

"We, the Lords and Commons in Parliament, have taken into our serious Consideration Two Papers, dated the 27th of January and 6th of May, delivered by the Earl of Lindsey to the Commissioners appointed by His Majesty and both Houses of Parliament to treat with his Lordship and other Commissioners of Scotland, and by them presented to both Houses; unto which Papers Inglish Commissioners are, in the Name of both Houses, to return this Answer: That, as we have much Cause of Sorrow and Compassion, in respect of the common Miseries and Calamities wherewith the Kingdoms of Ingland and Ireland are grievously afflicted; so it doth not a little trouble us, that, by reason of these public Distractions and Burdens, we are disabled to perform toward our Brethren of Scotland the Reality of our Intentions, to give them such full Satisfaction both for Payment and Provision of their Army in Ireland, as might answer their Expectation and our own Desires: All which notwithstanding, we hope our Brethren (as we should do in their Cases) will look upon our Wants and Dangers as their own, and rather join with us in seeking to remove the common Cause of these Evils, than impute to us those Inconveniences which they suffer by them, which are altogether out of our Power to remedy. They likewise pray them to rest assured, that, according to the Means wherewith God shall enable us, we shall ever be forward to express our Desires and Endeavours to give them Contentment; which that we may the more speedily effect, we have Resolved, That the Sum of Thirty Thousand Pounds shall be levied upon the Ordinance of Sequestrations, and shall be paid over towards the Arrears of the Scottish Army in Ireland; and, for preventing all Differences of Accompt, we will appoint an Auditor, to join with such as his Lordship shall nominate, to perfect the Accompts, and reduce the Arrear to a Certainty; which being done, we will further consider of some effectual Way of clearing the same, according to the Treaty. We likewise desire his Lordship may know, that we intend very shortly to send Commissioners from both Houses of Parliament into Scotland, to treat there concerning the future Continuance or Removal of their Army, in which we shall have a due Regard to the Affection which we bear to our Brethren of Scotland, and to the near Interest and Communion of Good and Evil, Safety and Danger, wherein both Kingdoms are united; and we entreat the Earl of Linsey to represent all this to the Lords of the Council and State of Scotland, and to excuse our long Forbearance to make any Reply to this and other his former Propositions, which he hath with great Instance and Diligence made to us; but our manifold Distractions (whereof he hath been a Witness) would not permit us to make a speedier Answer; which we did the rather suspend, being in Hope that before this we, by a happy Peace and Agreement with His Majasty, might have been enabled to make it more satisfactory both to them and to ourselves."

Order for Masts from Kingsale.

"Upon Information that there is very great Want of Masts, for the Use of His Majesty's Navy here in England, whereof a Supply cannot be had so timely as Occasion may require, and that there do now remain in the Yards or Store-houses at Kinsall, in Ireland, such Masts as are both necessary and useful for His Majesty's said Navy: It is therefore Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, That all Officers, and others respectively whom it concerns, at Kinsall aforesaid, and who have the Care and Custody of the Yards and Store-houses there, do deliver unto such Person or Persons authorized by Captain Richard Crauly, Captain John Morris, Captain Roger Tweedy, Captain Phinees Pett, and Mr. John Holland, principal Officers and Commissioners of His Majesty's Navy here, or any Three of them, all such Masts out of the said Stores, as shall be sent for, to be brought for the Port of London; and, for the better Dispatch of this Service, the Officers and others at Kinsall are hereby straightly charged and commanded to give their best Assistance, in putting them aboard such Ships as shall be employed by the said Commissioners to fetch them for England."

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 10 a , Monday.

Footnotes

* Origin. Order.
* Origin. The.
Deest in Originali.