DIE Jovis, videlicet, 25 die Maii.
Earl of Manchester, Speaker.
Message from the H. C. for a Conference about Scotch Affairs.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Sir Rob't Pye:
To desire a Conference, so soon as it may stand with
their Lordships Conveniency, touching the Answer to
the Paper delivered by the Earl of Lyndsey, touching
the Scottish Affairs.
The Answer returned was:
That their Lordships will give a present Conference,
in the Painted Chamber, as is desired.
Browne, a Pass.
Ordered, That Martin Browne shall have a Pass,
to go to Twittnam, in the County of Midd. with his
Wife, Four Children, Three Servants, and such Neceffaries as are sitting for them, and to have Liberty to
pass to and fro as often as he shall please.
L. Morley, Leave to go to Bristoll, upon giving Bail.
It was moved, "That the Lord Morley desires a Pass,
to go to Bristoll, with Six Servants;" and, because he
is under a Trial for Blood, this House Ordered, That
if the Lord Morley will put (fn. *) in good Bail to appear
before the Lords in Parliament upon Ten Days Notice
left at his Lodging in London, then he shall have a
Message to the H. C. that the Lords may communicate Two Petitions to them;
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page:
To desire, at the next Conference, their Lordships may
communicate a Petition of the Earl of Chesterfeild to
2. To communicate unto them the Petition of the
Archbishop of Cant. for Maintenance.
and with an Ordinance for Concurrence.
3. To desire their Concurrence in an Ordinance to
nominate Mr. Corbett to be Parson of the Parsonage of
Chartham, in the County of Kent.
Toomes, for Words against the Parliament.
Ordered, Henry Toomes shall attend this House,
with the Witnesses that are to prove the Charge against
him, for speaking scandalous Words against the Parliament.
Witnesses concerning the Treatment of the Prisoners at Oxford.
The Witnesses that are to be examined concerning the
ill Usage of the Prisoners at Oxford were sworn at the
Bar. The Names were these: videlicet,
The Messengers return this Answer from the House
Answer from the H. C.
That (fn. †) they agree to receive, at this Conference, what
their Lordships shall communicate to them concerning
the Earl of Chesterfeild.
And that they do concur with their Lordships in the
Order for nominating Mr. Corbett, to be collated to the
Parsonage of Chartham. (Here enter it.)
And concerning the Archbishop of Canterburye's Petition, they will send an Answer, by Messengers of their
Heads for the Conference about L. Chesterfeild.
The Substance of the Conference was to be, "To
desire the House of Commons, that some Course
might be taken, to allow the Earl of Chesterfeilde some
Maintenance; and, considering the great Inconveniencies he suffers there in regard of his Health, their
Lordships Opinion is, That it (fn. *) will not be inconvenient to permit him to come up to London, upon
giving his Word, upon his Honour, to render himself before the Lords in Parliament as a true Prisoner."
Hudson's Petition, for Induction to the Rectory of Eythorn, in Kent.
Upon reading the Petition of Edward Hudson Clerk,
complaining, "That the Archdeacon of Canterbury
(and his inferior Officers, who were the first and
chief Instruments of his Oppression, denying and
perverting common Justice, in not giving the Petitioner Induction to the Rectory of Eythorne, Com. Kantii,
according to (fn. *) the Duty of his Office, contrary to all
Law, Equity, and Right of the Subject) is yet living,
and well able to satisfy the Petitioner for his Sufferings: Therefore desired their Lordships would be
pleased to grant a Warrant for the said Archdeacon,
James Lambe his Surrogate, and Henry Jenkin his Register, all who are guilty in this Oppression, and by
whose Means the Petitioner hath been defrauded to the
Value of Two Hundred Pounds per Annum, to appear
before this House, that so the Petitioner may have such
Relief as (fn. *) to their Lordships in their Wisdoms shall
Archdeacon, &c. of Cant. to attend.
Hereupon this House Ordered, That a Warrant
shall be issued out, to summon the said Archdeacon,
James Lambe, and Henry Jenkin, to appear before this
House forthwith, to answer the same.
The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the
Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the
House was resumed.
Report of the Conference about Scotch Affairs.
And the Speaker reported the Effect of this Conference; which was, "That the House of Commons
having received a Message from their Lordships, that
they do agree with them in the Answer to be given
to the Paper delivered in by the Earl of Lyndsey,
leaving out these Words ["for divers Affairs concerning the Good of both Kingdoms"]; which the
House of Commons having taken into Consideration (fn. †) ,
do desire that those Words may go as they were
brought up first to their Lordships;
1. Because 'tis agreeable to the Necessities of the
Kingdom, to vindicate the Parliament from Aspersions
which are spread in Scotland against the Parliament,
and some Endeavours have been to raise Arms there
against this Parliament; therefore, for the Honour
of the Committees, that they may have Power to
take off these Imputations: And, because these Words
are agreeable to Expressions in former Declarations
sent into Scotland, they desire those general Words
This House taking these into Consideration, Ordered, That this House agrees for admitting these
Words ["for divers Affairs concerning the Good of both
Kingdoms"]. (Here enter it.)
E. of Bath's Petition, either to remain in his present Lodgings, or have Leave to go to The Spa.
Upon reading the Petition of the Earl of Bath, now
a Prisoner in The Tower of London; shewing, "That
he hath continued in the Lodgings where now he
is this Eight Months; but lately he was served with
an Order, dated the 13th of May, 1643, under Mr.
Corbett's Hand, a Member of the House of Commons, that he should be removed out of his Lodgings; therefore he desires that either he may remain
in the Lodgings where now he is, or else that,
according to his former Petition to this House, he
may be permitted for his Health to go to The
Message to the H. C. about it.
Hereupon this House Ordered, That this Petition
and the Order shall be sent to the House of Commons,
and signified unto them, "That their Lordships are inclined to give Leave to the Earl of Bath to go beyond
the Seas, for his Health; and, in the mean (fn. *) Time, their
Lordships hold it fit that the Earl of Bath remain in
the same Lodgings where now he is."
And to this Purpose a Message was sent to the House
of Commons, by Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page.
Message from thence, with an Ordinance and Order for Concurrence.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons,
by Sir Wm. Armyn:
To desire their Lordships to give Expedition to the
Ordinance concerning the ill Usage of the Prisoners at
2. To desire their Lordships Concurrence in an Order
concerning the Earl of Chesterfeilde, for restoring some
Goods taken from Johnson and Hughes, before he be
The said Order was read, and agreed to.
And the Earl of Chesterfeild was to be written to, to
give Satisfaction to these Persons.
Committee to take Examinations about the Treatment of the Prisoners at Oxford.
These Lords following were appointed to take the
Examinations of the Witnesses that are to be examined,
concerning the ill Usage of the Prisoners at Oxford:
|L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Their Lordships, or any Three, to meet this
Afternoon, at Four of the Clock.
Message to the H. C. about the Scots Papers;
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page:
To let the House of Commons know, that their Lordships do agree with the House of Commons in the
Answer to the Earl of Lyndsey's Paper, as it first came
up from them.
and that the Lords will proceed in the Examination concerning the Treatment of the Prisoners at Oxford.
2. To let them know, that their Lordships this Morning have sworn all the Witnesses, to be examined
touching the ill Usage of the Prisoners at Oxford; and
that their Lordships have nominated a Committee of
Ten Lords, to take the said Examinations, and have
appointed them to meet at Four of the Clock this Afternoon, in the Star Chamber.
Sir Wm. St. Ravy, a Pass.
Ordered, That Sir Wm. San Ray shall have a Pass,
to come from Oxford to London safely, and afterwards
to go into France, with his necessary Accommodation,
and Four Servants, and Six Horses; and that Mr. De
Moulins his Brother, who is lately come out of France
about Sir Wm. San Ravy's Occasions, shall have a Pass,
to go to Oxford, with Two Servants and Three Horses,
and return again to London, without Interruption or
Archbishop of Cant. to collate Mr. Corbett to the Rectory of Chartham.
"Whereas an Ordinance of both Houses of Parliament passed, on the 16th of this Instant May, directing
the Lord Archbishop of Canterbury to forbear to
present or collate any Person or Persons to any Parsonage, Vicarage, Prebend, or other Ecclesiastical
Promotion, without the Leave and Order of both
Houses of Parliament; and that he shall from Time
to Time, until his Trial in Parliament, present and
collate such fit Person and Persons, to every such fit
Parsonage, Vicarage, Prebend, or other Ecclesiastical
Preferment, which now are, or hereafter before his
said Trial shall become void, as shall by both Houses
be nominated to him: Now, forasmuch as the Rectory
of Chartham, in the County of Kent (being in the
Gift of the said now Archbishop), hath been void
by the Space of Five Months last past, by the Death
of the last Incumbent, it is Ordered, by the Lords
and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the said
Archbishop shall forthwith, upon Sight of this Order,
collate Edward Corbett, Fellow of Martin College, in the
University of Oxford, to the said Rectory of Chartham,
in the County of Kent aforesaid, according to the
Purport and Direction of the said Ordinance of both
Houses of Parliament:"
E. of Chesterfield to restore 120 l. to Johnson and Hughes.
"Upon Information, That Phillip Earl of Chesterfeild, being in open War against the Parliament and
Kingdom, did, by himself or some under his Command,
about February last, at or near the Town of Litchfeild,
by Force and Violence, take away from Richard
Hughes, a Carrier, the Goods of Edward Johnson,
of Manchester, to the Value of One Hundred and
Twenty Pounds, whereby he hath been much damnisied and disenabled to the Service of the Parliament,
wherein he hath been and is very forward and affectionate: It is Ordered, by the Lords and Commons
assembled in Parliament, That the said Earl of Chesterfeild, now Prisoner, shall not be released, or by
any Means exchanged for any other Prisoner, until
it doth appear unto the Earl of Essex Lord General,
that he have restored unto the said Edward Johnson
his said Goods, or else have given him Satisfaction for
the Loss he hath sustained thereby."
Answer to a Scotch Paper concerning their Army in Ireland.
"The Lords and Commons in Parliament have considered a Paper, dated the 20th of May, 1643, delivered by the Earl of Linsey, to be presented to both
Houses, to which it is Ordered the English Commissioners for the Treaty shall make this Answer, That
the Houses of Parliament have often expressed their
tender Sense and Compassion of the Wants and other
Extremities of the Scottish Army in Ireland, with their
very earnest Desire to give Satisfaction to their Brethren of Scotland, by a speedy Relief and Supply,
according to the Articles of the Treaty; which being
made impossible for them to perform, by reason of
the great Burthen and Miseries which lie upon the
Kingdom, they cannot give a direct Answer to either
of the Propositions mentioned in the Paper, either to
continue the Army in Ireland, or to declare that they
will no longer entertain it; because, whether the
Army be continued or discharged, greater Sums are to
be paid than for the present is in their Power to
perform: Wherefore they are necessarily inforced
upon a Third Way, which is, to send Committees into
Scotland, to treat upon these Points, and to propound
some other Means than by ready Money to give Satisfaction to their Brethren, in either Case of Continuance or Removal; and, for settling hereof, they
do intend speedily to send Committees from both
Houses to Edenborough, for divers Affairs concerning
the Good of both Kingdoms, which Committee shall
receive Instructions and Power to settle this Matter in
such a Way as may suit with the present Estate of this
Kingdom, and be most satisfactory to their Brethren
House adjourned till 10a cras.