House of Lords Journal Volume 6
4 July 1643

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 6: 4 July 1643', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 6: 1643 (1767-1830), pp. 118-120. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37287 Date accessed: 21 November 2014.


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DIE Martis, videlicet, 4 die Julii.

PRAYERS.

Earl of Manchester, Speaker this Day.

Lawrence to give Evidence concerning the Earl of Portland and Mr. Waller.

Ordered, That Mr. Laurance be sworn, and examined by the Lords Committees, concerning what Discourses Mr. Waller had with him, concerning the Earl of Portland.

Message from the H. C. for making a Great Seal;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Wm. Strickland:

To let their Lordships know, that the Kingdom is not able to subsist without a Great Seal; they desire their Lordships Concurrence for making a new Great Seal.

and for Concurrence in the Resolutions about Hull.

2. To desire their Lordships Concurrence in the Resolutions brought up from the House of Commons, concerning Hull.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That their Lordships will send them a present Answer, touching these Two Particulars, by Messengers of their own.

Ordered, To send to the House of Commons, to let them know, that their Lordships do adhere to their former Resolutions concerning the Great Seal.

Report of the Conference about an Act of State and Letters from Ireland.

The Speaker reported a late Conference with the House of Commons, which was to this Effect, "That the House of Commons had received divers Letters out of Ireland, and an Act of State, both from the Justices and others; in Answer to which the House of Commons have conceived Answers, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence."

The Letter to the Justices was read. (Here enter it.)

Ordered, That this House agrees to this Letter.

Another Letter was read, to be sent to the Marquis of Ormond and the Lord (fn. *) Lisle. (Here enter it.)

Ordered, That this House agrees with the House of Commons in this Letter.

Report of the Conference about Hull.

Next, the Speaker reported the Effect of the Conference Yesterday with the House of Commons concerning Hull; "and, having communicated divers Letters to their Lordships, both of Sir John Hotham's to Captain Hotham, and others to him, which were intercepted; upon Consideration of these Letters, the House of Commons desired their Lordships Concurrence in certain Resolutions, for the better securing and preserving the Safety of the Town of Hull."

The Resolutions were these:

Resolutions for securing it.

"That Sir Wm. Strickland and Mr. Hatcher, Members of the House of Commons, the Mayor of the Town of Hull, and Sir Mathew Boynton, shall be appointed and nominated Committees, for the Government of the said Town; and that Sir Wm. Strickland and Mr. Hatcher be enjoined forthwith to go down, to provide for the Safety of the said Town, together with the rest of the Committee."

Agreed to.

"2. That Sir Mathew Boynton shall be appointed Colonel of the Garrison in that Town, to be ordered by the Advice and Consent of the rest of the Committee."

Ordered, That this (fn. †) House Agrees to recommend Sir Mathew Boynton to the Lord General, to be made Colonel of the Garrison in Hull, by Commission from his Excellency.

"3. That Sir Henry Vane and Mr. Peregrin Pelham, that serve as Burgesses for the Town of Hull, shall be added to the Committees of Hull; and Sir Wm. Alanson to be also added to the said Committee."

Agreed to.

"4. That Mr. Nye, One of the Divines of the Assembly, upon some urgent Occasions, be dispensed with for his Attendance upon the Assembly, for some Time."

Agreed to.

Ordered, That the Names of Sir Phillip Stapleton and Sir Wm. Cunstable may be offered to the House of Commons, to be added to the Committee at Hull.

Trial of the Judges for Ship-money.

Ordered, That this House will proceed against the Judges on Tuesday next, concerning Ship-money.

Message to the H. C. to acquaint them with it;—the Resolutions about Hull, the Great Seal, and the Letters to Ireland.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page, with these Particulars following:

1. To let them know, that their Lordships do agree to all the Resolutions concerning Hull, with the Addition of Sir Phillip Stapleton and Sir Wm. Cunstable to be Committees at Hull, which their Lordships offer to the Consideration of the House of Commons.

2. That their Lordships do adhere to their former Resolutions, concerning the making of a new Great Seal.

3. That their Lordships have appointed Thursday next for the Trial of Justice Berkely, concerning Ship-money; and Tuesday next to proceed against the rest of the Judges.

4. That their Lordships do agree to the Two Letters to be sent to the Justices in Ireland, and the Earl of Ormond.

Countess of Leicester's Goods not to be taken away.

Withers and Fendall sent for.

Upon Information to this House, "That Withers and Fyngall came to the Countess of Leycester's House, and offered to take away the Goods out of her House, under Pretence that they are the Goods of the Lord Spencer's:" Hereupon this House Ordered, That the said Anthony Withers and Josias Fendall shall not meddle with any Goods of the Countess of Leycester's; and that they appear before this House To-morrow Morning, to answer the same.

Earl of Carlisle's Horses not to be taken away. Delinquents sent for.

Ordered, That the Horses of the Earl of Carlile shall not be taken from the Place where now they are, but be preserved there; and the Parties that seized them are to appear before this House To-morrow Morning, to shew by what Warrant they took the same away:

Quarter-master Baker.
Colonel Mitten.

Vaneinden's Cause.

Ordered, That the Cause of Anne Vaneinden, Widow, shall be heard on Wednesday next come Sevennight, in the Painted Chamber, before the Lords Committees for Petitions; and all Witnesses are then to appear.

Scandarett to deposit Mr. Mountague's Money.

Ordered, That Oliver Scandaret shall deposit the Money of Mr. Walter Mountague into the Hands of the Earl of Manchester, according to the former Order of this House, of the 26 January, 1642.

Ordered, That the Lords Committees for Sequestrations shall meet To-morrow in the Afternoon, at Five of the Clock, to consider of some Particulars to be offered to the House of Commons, at a Conference, for regulating the Ordinance for Sequestrations.

"Our very good Lords,

Letter to the Lords Justices and Council of Ireland, about their Treaty with the Rebels.

"The Lords and Commons in Parliament have commanded us to let you know, they have seen your Letter of the 10th of June, directed to the Speaker of the House of Commons, accompanied with an Act of State, in the Preamble whereof is an Expression to this Effect, That your present Difficulties, through the Failure of the Houses of Parliament in England, who undertook the Charge of this War: This Letter and Act of Council were sent by His Majesty from Oxon, to whom they believe you have sent Copies of both; and have just Cause to suspect that there is an impious Design now on Foot, to sell for nought the crying Blood of so many Hundred Thousands of Brittish Protestants, by a dishonourable, insufferable Peace with the Rebels; and then to lay the Blame and Shame of this upon the Parliament, a Plot suitable to those Counsels that have both projected and fomented this unparalleled Rebellion, for those who contrived the Powder Treason intended to lay it on the Puritans: And, although they cannot think your Lordships intended to further this Design by this Expression, yet they have Cause to believe you have forgotten the present Condition of this Kingdom; the Supplies they have sent thither of all Sorts, even in the Midst of their own Wants; what Relief going thither hath been taken away both by Sea and Land, and by whom; and what Discouragements have been given them in Return; so that, as your Lordships do truly observe the Protestant Party in that City desirous to contribute in all Things towards the Preservation of that Kingdom, and that all the Opposition therein is from those of the Popish Party; so ought you as justly to conclude that the Protestant Party in this Kingdom have contributed, and are still endeavouring to contribute, Monies, Ammunition, Victuals, and all other Necessaries, for the saving of that Kingdom; and that the Popish and malignant Party here, now in Arms against the Parliament and Kingdom, have not assisted in the least Measure this pious Work, but on the contrary do hinder and oppose the same; neither should your Lordships conceive that only the Charge of that War was referred to and undertaken by the Parliament, as if their Part were to be your Bankers, only to provide Monies for you to spend, and were not to advise and direct the managing of the War, although an Act of Parliament hath invested them with the Power, which they must assume and vindicate, as the Means to save that Kingdom; and shall bring to condign Punishment those there, who, in this Conjuncture of Affairs, have advised the Commission, to hear what the Rebels can say or propound for their own Advantage, the Letters to divest their Committee of an Authority given them by both Houses, and that advised the late Alteration of Government there, as Enemies to the Weal of both Kingdoms, and Favourers of that Rebellion. In the last Place, we are forbidden to tell you what Supplies of Money, Victual, Ammunition, and other Necessaries, are in a good Forwardness to be sent over for the Support of the Officers and Soldiers there, and by whose incessant Care, lest they should seem to answer that Scandal by Excuse, which deserves an high Resentment. This being all we have in Command for the present, we bid your Lordships farewell, and remain,

"Your Lordships Friends.

"P. S. The Lords and Commons will examine the Demeanor of the Ships appointed to guard those Coasts; and might have expected a Copy of Mountroes Letter to Colonel Crafford, which came to your Hands before the 10th of June, and haply would discover the Treasons of the Rebels sent by your Enemies to destroy you, as well as a Complaint of those Sea Captains sent by your Friends to defend you, whose Neglect and Misdeeds are notwithstanding to be punished, according to their Demerits as shall appear."

Letter from both Houses to the Marquis of Ormond and Lord Lisle, about the Behaviour of their Officers and Soldiers.

"Our very good Lords,

"We are commanded, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, to acquaint your Lordships, that they have taken Notice of the undaunted Valour and unwearied Patience of the Officers and Soldiers of that Army, even in the Midst of their Wants and Sufferings, testisied by the good Service they have done as often as they have been drawn forth to Action; so that, as the Lords and Commons do very much resent the great Disservice of those which have quitted their Employment in that undoubted Quarrel there, and are now in Arms against those who have hitherto found them Bread, and against that Kingdom that hath given them Breath and Being; so are they unanimously Resolved to reward, in due Time, all those Officers and Soldiers, who, being sensible of their own Religion, Honour, and Extraction, do like themselves oppose the yielding up of that Kingdom into the Hands of those bloody, barbarous, and every Way unworthy Rebels; and in the Interim, even in the Heat of all their own Distractions and Oppositions to the contrary, have so far intended the Relief of the Officers and Soldiers there (whose Extremity they regret as their own), that they shall have good Cause very speedily to confess the Fruit of this Endeavour; the Particulars of which Relief they presume your Lordships may hear from other Hands. Thus, not doubting but your Lordships will impart the Contents of this Letter to the Officers and Soldiers there, at such Time and in such Manner as your Lordships in your Wisdoms shall think most fit, we bid your Lordships heartily Farewell; and remain

"Your Lordships Friends to serve you."

These Two Letters were signed by the Speakers of both Houses.

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 10 a cras.

Footnotes

* Origin. Lilse.
Deest in Originali.