House of Lords Journal Volume 6
23 September 1643

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 6: 23 September 1643', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 6: 1643 (1767-1830), pp. 230-232. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37353 Date accessed: 01 October 2014.


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DIE Sabbati, 23 die Septembris.

PRAYERS.

Lords present this Day:

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

Comes Bollingbrooke.
Comes Stamford.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Denbigh.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Howard de Esc.
Ds. Hunsden.

The Messengers sent Yesterday to the House of Commons return with this Answer:

Answer from the H. C.

That they agree to the adding the Earls of Lyncolne and Stamford to the Committee for the Safety; and touching the adding of Mr. John Sedgwick to be One of the Assembly, they will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Message from thence, to fit a while.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Pye Knight, and others:

To desire their Lordships would please to fit a while; for they shall desire a Conference with their Lordships.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That their Lordships will fit a while, as is desired.

Message from thence, with an Ordinance;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Stroud and others:

To desire Concurrence in these Particulars following; videlicet,

1. An Ordinance for providing Wood for the Poor.

and to expedite the One for making Salt-petre.

2. To desire Expedition in the Ordinance formerly brought, for making of Salt-petre.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That their Lordships will send an Answer to this Message by Messengers of their own.

Message from thence, for a Conference, about the Forces by Land and Sea;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir John Wray Knight, and others:

1. To desire a Conference, touching the Affairs of the Army, both by Land and Sea.

and with Orders, &c.

2. To desire Concurrence in divers Particulars following; videlicet,

1. An Order to give Power to the Assembly to adjourn the Assembly from King Henry the Seventh's Chappell to (fn. *) Jerusalem Chamber. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

2. An Order to authorize Mr. Baron Trevor to fit as Puny Baron in the Exchequer, to take the Oath of the Sheriffs of London, &c. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

3. An Order to pay to Mr. Osborne and Mr. Fynch Six Hundred Ten Pounds, Thirteen Shillings, and Ten Pence, for the Irish Affairs. (Here enter it.)

Read, (fn. †) and Agreed to.

4. An Order to pay Mr. Fynch Two Hundred Fifteen Pounds, Two Shillings, and Seven Pence, for the Affairs of Ireland. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

5. An Order to pay to Mrs. Russell Six Hundred Sixty-one Pounds, Sixteen Shillings, and Eight Pence, for Provision for Ireland. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

6. An Order to pay to Mr. Henry Osborne One Hundred Forty-five Pounds, and Seven Pence, for Provisions for Ireland. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

7. An Order to pay to Mr. Henry Osborne Six Hundred Five Pounds, Twelve Shillings, and Eight Pence, for Provisions for Ireland. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

The Answer returned was:

Answer to the H. C.

That this House will give a present Conference, in the Painted Chamber, as is desired; and to all the Ordinances now brought up, their Lordships do agree to them all.

Ordinance for providing Wood for the Poor.

The Ordinance for providing of Wood for the Poor was read, and Ordered to be committed to these Lords following:

Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Bollingbrooke.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Stamford.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Hunsden.

Their Lordships, or any Three, to meet on Monday next, in the Afternoon, at Four of the Clock, in the Prince's Lodgings.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed.

And the Speaker reported the Effect of this Conference with the House of Commons:

Report of the Conference concerning the Forces.

"That the House of Commons presented to their Lordships an Advertisement from the Secretary of the Lord General, which Letter was read, directed to Mr. Nicholls, a Member of the House of Commons, dated from Reading, 22 September."

The said Letter was read. (Here enter it.)

"Upon Perusal of this Letter, which agreed with other Informations, the House of Commons have made some Votes, wherein they desire their Lordships Concurrence; videlicet,

Committee of both Houses to be sent to the Ld. General.

"That a Committee of both Houses may be appointed, and sent to my Lord General and the Army forthwith, to acquaint his Excellency what Value and Esteem the Houses sets upon the great Service done by the Blessing of God upon the Conduct of his Excellency and the Valour of the Army.

"Likewise to acquaint his Excellency what Care the Houses has taken for supplying the Army with all Sorts of Supply necessary.

"Also to see the State of the Army; and to consider what further is to be done to improve this Opportunity, for the Advantage of the Commonwealth.

"To acquaint his Excellency, that there are Endeavours to send additional Forces for the Prosecution of this Opportunity, to the Perfecting of the Work.

"To consider with my Lord General of any other Matter or Thing that may conduce to the Advance and Perfecting of the Service.

Committee of both Houses to go to the Common Council, about the State of the Lord General's Army, and to desire Supplies for it.

"To desire that a Committee of both Houses do repair to the Common Council, desired to be called this Afternoon at Three of the Clock, to represent the State of the Lord General's Army at this Time, with all the Advantages that may be hoped upon a present and vigorous Prosecution, and the Necessity of recruiting of the Army, of reinforcing it with fresh Supplies, of furnishing it with Supplies of Monies and other Provisions; and likewise to recommend it to the City, that there may be good Care and Diligence used by the Guards, by Land and by Water, that no Ammunition or other Pro visions be carried to the King's Quarters; and to further represent to the Lord Mayor, Aldermen, and Common Council, that the Four and Twenty Great Companies be desired to advance Thirty Thousand Pounds, for the Service of the Navy, out of the First Monies that shall come in upon the Ordinance of Excise."

Ordered, That this House agrees to all these Votes of the House of Commons.

Commons to be desired to join in ordering a Public Thanksgiving for the Lord General's Success.

It was moved, "That this House would send to the House of Commons, to desire them to join with this House, that Public Thanksgiving be given To-morrow, in all the Churches and Chapels in London and Westm. and the Liberties thereof, for the good Success of the Lord General's Army."

Committee to go to the Common Council.

Ordered, That this House nominates the

Earls of Denbigh,
Bollingbrooke,
L. Viscount (fn. *) Say & Seale,
L. Hunsden,
L. Wharton, and the L. Gray,

To join with a Committee of the House of Commons, to go to the Common Council this Afternoon, about the Votes agreed upon by both Houses; and further to have Power to consider of all Ways and Means for supplying the Lord General's Army with present Monies, and to propound the same to the Common Council.

Committee to attend the Ld. General.

Ordered, That this House appoints the Lord Howard to join with the Committee of the House of Commons, to go to the Lord General, according to the Instructions and Votes of the House of Commons.

Sequestering the King's Revenue.

Further it was reported, "That the House of Commons desires their Concurrence in an Ordinance for publishing the Ordinance for the sequestering the King's Revenue."

Message to the H. C. concerning these Matters.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page:

To let them know,

1. That this House agrees to all the Votes brought up at the last Conference.

2. To acquaint them, that they have appointed the Lord Howard to go to the Lord General.

3. That their Lordships have appointed Six Lords, to join with a Committee of the House of Commons, to go this Afternoon, at Three of the Clock, to the Common Council in London; and to have Power to desire the Lord Mayor, that Notice be given to all Ministers, that Public Thanksgiving be given, in all Churches and Chapels in London, and the Liberties thereof, Tomorrow, for the late good Success of the Lord General's Army.

4. To desire that the Committee that is to go to the Common Council may have Power to consider of all Ways and Means for supplying the Lord General's Army with present Monies, and to propound the same to the Common Council.

The Assembly may adjourn themselves to The Jerusalem Chamber.

"Whereas, by an Ordinance of Parliament, for the calling of an Assembly of Godly and Learned Divines, to be consulted with by the Parliament, it is amongst other Things Ordained, That the respective Persons in the said Ordinance nominated should meet and assemble themselves at Westm. in the Chapel called King Henry the Seventh's Chapell, on the First Day of July, 1643; and, after the First Meeting, being at the least of the Number of Forty, shall from Time to Time sit, and be removed from Place to Place, as by both Houses of Parliament shall be directed: Now, in regard the said Lords and Commons are informed, that many of the Persons now assembled are very aged, and infirm in the Disposition of their Healths, and that the Chapel aforesaid where they are assembled will prove inconvenient, in respect of the Coldness of the Chapel (the Winter now approaching), and prejudicial to the Healths of the Persons assembled; it is therefore Ordered and Directed, by the said Lords and Commons, That the Persons assembled shall have Power to adjourn themselves from the said Chapel, unto a Place called Jerusalem Chamber, in The Colledge of Westm'r, in the City of Westm. and shall from Time to Time sit, meet, and assemble in the said Place, to confer and treat amongst themselves of such Matters and Things as shall be proposed unto them by both or either of the Houses of Parliament, according to the Purport of the said Ordinance."

Baron Trevor to take the Oath of the Sheriffs.

"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That Mr. Baron Trevor do sit in the Court of the Exchequer at Westm'r on the Morrow after Michaelmas-day next, and execute and officiate the Place of Puny Baron, in all Things requisite and convenient, touching the receiving the Proffers which the late Sheriffs of the City of London and County of Midd. are then and there to make, for the Grant of the Sheriffwick of the same City and County; and to give them their Oath, to pass their Accompt for the past; as also to be at the presenting at that Court of the new Sheriffs, and to do and execute all Things thereto belonging, which of Right ought to be done, in as ample Manner as the Puny Baron of that Court ought to do."

Order for 610 l. 13 s. 7 d. to Finch and Osborne, for Butter, &c.

"Upon Mr. Goodwin's Report from the Committee for Irish Affairs, That Mr. Henry Finch and Mr. Henry Osborne have transported to Londonderry, and there delivered, Butter, Shoes, Swords, &c. for Provision for the Regiments thereabouts (as is certified by the Mayor of that City, and divers of the Colonels and Captains, under their Hands and Seals, being Commissioners for that Place), to the Value of Six Hundred and Ten Pounds, Thirteen Shillings, Seven Pence: It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, That they, the said Mr. Finch and Mr. Osborne, shall be paid the said Sum of Six Hundred Ten Pounds, Thirteen Shillings, and Seven Pence, out of the Adventurers-money for Ireland, and such Monies as shall be next raised for the Service of Ireland."

Order for 215 l. 2 s. 7 d. to Finch, for Victual and Ammunition.

"Upon Mr. Goodwin's Report from the Committee for Irish Affairs, That Mr. Henry Finch hath transported to Londonderry, and there delivered, Victual and Ammunition for the Regiments thereabouts (as is certified by the Mayor of that City, and divers of the Colonels, under their Hands and Seals, being Commissioners for that Place), to the Value of Two Hundred Fifteen Pounds, Two Shillings, Seven Pence: It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, That the said Mr. Henry Finch shall be paid the said Sum of Two Hundred Fifteen Pounds, Two Shillings, and Seven Pence, out of the Adventurersmoney for Ireland, and such Monies as shall be next raised for the Service of Ireland."

Order for 661 l. 16s. 8d. to Mrs. Russel, for Provisions.

"Upon Mr. Goodwin's Report from the Committee for Irish Affairs, That Mrs. Jennett Russell hath transported to Londonderry, and there delivered, Corn and Butter, for Provision for the Regiments thereabouts (as is certified by the Mayor of that City, and divers of the Colonels and Captains, under their Hands and Seals, being Commissioners for that Place), to the Value of Six Hundred Sixty-one Pounds, Sixteen Shillings, Eight Pence: It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, That the said Mrs. Jennett Russell shall be paid the said Sum of Six Hundred Sixty-one Pounds, Sixteen Shillings, and Eight Pence, out of the Adventurers-money for Ireland, and such Monies as shall be next raised for the Service of Ireland."

Order for 145 l. 0 s. 7 d. to Mr. Osborne, for Butter and Fish.

"Upon Mr. Goodwin's Report from the Committee for Irish Affairs, That Mr. Henry Osborne hath transported to Londonderry, and there delivered, Butter and Salmon for Provision for the Regiments thereabouts, as is certified by the Mayor of that City, and divers of the Colonels and Captains, under their Hands and Seals, being Commissioners for that Place, to the Value of One Hundred Forty-five Pounds, Seven Pence: It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, That the said Mr. Henry Osborne shall be paid the said Sum of One Hundred Forty-five Pounds and Seven Pence, out of the Adventurers-money for Ireland, and such Monies as shall be next raised for the Service of Ireland."

Order for 605 l. 12 s. 8 d. to Mr. Osborne, for Provisions.

"Upon Mr. Goodwin's Report from the Committee for Irish Affairs, That Mr. Henry Osborne hath transported to Londonderry, and there delivered, Corn, Beef, and other Provisions, for the Regiments thereabouts (as is certified by the Mayor of that City, and divers of the Colonels and Captains, under their Hands and Seals, being Commissioners for that Place), to the Value of Six Hundred Five Pounds, Twelve Shillings, and Eight Pence: It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, That the said Mr. Henry Osborne shall be paid the said Sum of Six Hundred Five Pounds, Twelve Shillings, and Eight Pence, out of the Adventurers-money for Ireland, and such Monies as shall be next raised for the Service of Ireland."

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 10 a , Lunæ.

Footnotes

* Origin. Jesuzalem.
Origin. as.
* Deest in Originali.