House of Lords Journal Volume 6
5 October 1643

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 6: 5 October 1643', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 6: 1643 (1767-1830), pp. 242-244. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37362 Date accessed: 02 August 2014.


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DIE Jovis, videlicet, 5 die Octobris.

PRAYERS.

Lords present:

The Lord Grey of Warke, Speaker.

Comes Essex, L. General.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Bollingbrooke.
Comes Stamford.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Pembrooke.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Hunsden.

Message from the H. C. with Two Ordinances;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Pye Knight, and others:

1. To desire Concurrence in an Ordinance for further Enlargement of an Ordinance, for raising Horses and Monies within the Line of Communication.

Read, and committed to the Committee of the whole House.

2. To desire Concurrence concerning the Train of the Artillery in Ireland. (Here enter it.)

Read, and Agreed to.

and to expedite the One about Salt-petre.

3. To desire Expedition to the Ordinance formerly brought up, concerning Salt-petre.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That their Lordships will send an Answer, by Messengers of their own, to the Ordinance concerning the raising of Horses and Monies within the Line of Communication, and the Ordinance concerning Salt-petre; and touching the Ordinance concerning the Train of Artillery in Ireland, this House agrees to them.

E. of Denbigh deputed to meet the French Ambassador, and to attend him to Town.

The Lord Viscount Say & Seale reported to this House, "That the Earl of Warwicke, by Letter, sent him Word, That the French Ambassador (fn. *) is come with good Affections to the Parliament, and expects that some Lords should meet him according to the accustomed Manner:" Which this House thought (fn. †) fit, and appointed that (fn. ‡) the Earl of Denbigh do go to Gravesende, and wait upon him to his Lodgings: And further it was Resolved, To have Conference with the House of Commons, to acquaint them with it, and offer it unto them, whether they will not think it fit to appoint some Members of their House to go to Gravesende also, to bring him to his Lodgings prepared for him.

Sir William Waller's Forces to be under the Command of the L. General.

The Lord General offered to the Consideration of this House the great Inconvenience that is by the Quartering of Sir Wm. Waller's Forces within his Army; and that, unless the Forces of Sir Wm. Waller's be under his Command, he doubts some Inconvenience will soon happen: All which he desired this House to take into their speedy Consideration, and give Direction herein.

Hereupon this House thought it fit, that, according to the former Resolutions of both Houses, that the Forces under Sir Wm. Waller be put under the Command of the Lord General, and all Commissions to be given by him; and this House refers it to the Consideration of the Committee for the Safety, in what Manner and Way it may be best and speediest done.

Barges to bring up the French Ambassador, &c.

Ordered, That Directions be given, that Barges be appointed, to fetch up the French Ambassador and his Attendants from Gravesende.

Message from the H. C. with Orders.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir John Clatworthy and others;

To desire Concurrence in Three Orders:

1. To give Power to Maurice Thompson, &c. to negociate severally touching the Affairs in Holland. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

2. An Order to pay Eight Hundred Eighty-six Pounds, Eighteen Shillings, for Mr. Upton's Troop in Ireland. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

3. An Order to pay Eight Hundred Eighty-six Pounds, Eighteen Shillings, to Colonel Hill, for his Troop in Ireland. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That their Lordships do agree to all these Three Ordinances.

Wyniard, House-keeper of the Palace at Westm. Petition for a Room late in the Occupation of the Groom Porter.

Upon reading the Petition of John Wynyard; shewing, That he, being Keeper of the Palace [ (fn. *) at Westm.] hath belonging unto him a little House, under the Prince's Tiring Rooms, which House the Groom Porter made Use of during his Residence here; and he being now at Oxford, the Petitioner desires that he may have the said House, being properly his Right."

Ordered, To hear both Sides; and then further Resolution to be given herein.

Message to the H. C. for a Conference about the French Ambassador.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page:

To desire a present Conference, in the Painted Chamber, concerning the French Ambassador.

Report about Papers concerning the Scots coming to the Assistance of the Parliament.

The Lord Wharton reported, "That the Committee have considered of the Papers touching the Agreements with the Scottish, touching their coming in to the Assistance of the Parliament; and they have made some Alterations in the Paper of the Agreements, and in the Paper of the Result concerning Barwicke; and, upon Consideration of the Papers with these Alterations, the Committee do agree to the several Votes made by the House of Commons."

(Here enter them.)

"That the Committee thinks it not fit to proceed upon the Reasons and Grounds expressed in the Paper brought up."

The Amendments in the Propositions (fn. †) and Agreements were read, and approved of by this House.

Ordered, To have a Conference with the House of Commons, concerning these Alterations; and to propound, to send to the Convention in Scotland, to send a Committee hither, to treat about these Particulars as are to be treated of, according to the Agreements.

Judges impeached, to put in their Answers.

Ordered, That all the Judges that are impeached by the House of Commons shall put in their Answers by Saturday come Sevennight.

The Messengers return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

Answer from the H. C.

That they will give a present Conference, as is desired.

Message to them, for a Conference about Scotch Affairs.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page:

To desire a Conference, touching the Affairs of Scotland.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed.

The Messengers return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

Answer.

That they will give a present Conference, in the Painted Chamber, as is desired.

The Lords went to the Conference; and the House was adjourned till 10 a of the Clock To-morrow Morning.

This House agreed to these Votes following, brought up from the House of Commons:

Votes concerning the Scots coming to the Assistance of the Parliament.

"1. That Letters shall be sent into Scotland, reciting what is done; and Duplicates sent to them of the Letters of the Declaration, and the Opinion of the Houses, concerning the Cessation.

"2. That Sixty Thousand Pounds be paid to our Brethren of Scotland, towards the Payment of the Arrears due to the Scotts Army in Ireland, whereof Thirty Thousand formerly assigned to the Scotts out of the Monies that come in upon the Sequestrations is to be accounted Part; and likewise that Ten Thousand Cloaths be provided for that Army in Ireland; and likewise that Six Thousand Eight Hundred Seventy-seven Pounds, Five Shillings, and Seven Pence, be paid to Mr. Cunningham, or his Order, for Arms furnished to the Army in Ireland.

"3. That the Answers of the Committees of both Kingdoms of England and Scotland, unto the Queries sent from the Mayor and Corporation of Berwick, by Two of their Number, Mr. Clerke and Mr. Pratt, upon Occasion of the said Town's declaring for the King and Parliament of England, at the Desire of the English Commissioners, are approved of.

"4. That a Declaration be sent to Berwicke, with the Opinion and Approbation of both Houses, of their declaring for the King and Parliament, and of what they have done in Pursuance thereof, and a Letter of Thanks.

"5. That a Declaration be prepared, and sent to the Kingdom of Scotland, expressing the Reasons of putting a Garrison at this Time, upon this Occasion, into the Town of Berwicke.

"6. That One Hundred Thousand Pounds shall be paid to our Brethren of Scotland, as soon as the Houses shall be enabled, either upon their own Credit or upon the Credit of both Kingdoms, whereof Fifty Thousand Pounds to be raised within Six Days.

"7. That this House agrees to the Eleven Propositions; with this Explanation, That the Earl of Warwicke do nominate the Commanders of the Ships to be employed for the Defence of the Coast of Scotland, with the Approbation of the Committees of both Kingdoms; and that his Lordship do give general Instructions to the several Commanders of the said Ships, so nominated and approved, that they from Time to Time do observe the Directions of the Committees of both Kingdoms."

Order for Messrs. Lawrence, Thompson, Host, and Corselles, to negotiate severally touching the Affairs of Ireland in Holland.

"Whereas, by an Ordinance of the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, dated 29th July 1643, Adam Lawrence, Derrick Host, Maurice Thompson, and Nicholas Corcelles, of London, Merchants, were appointed Commissioners, jointly to negotiate the Affairs of Ireland, in Holland, Zealand, and the rest of The United Provinces; and it being conceived that to negotiate the said Affairs severally will much advance and further the said Work: The Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament have therefore Ordained and Declared, and do hereby give and grant unto the said Adam Lawrence, Derricke Host, Maurice Thompson, and Nicholas Corcelles, and every of them severally and respectively, full Power and Authority, to solicit and negotiate the said Affair every One by himself (or otherwise as they shall think fit), according as they were enabled to negotiate the said Affair jointly, as by the said former Ordinance."

Order to pay 886 l. 18s. for Captain Upton's Troop in Ireland.

"It is now Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in this present Parliament assembled, in Pursuance of the Resolution of the House of Commons of the 2d of August 1642, and the Report of the Lords and Commons His Majesty's Commissioners for the Affairs of Ireland dated the 16th Day of September then next following, That the Receivers of the Adventurersmoney, upon Subscriptions for Lands in Ireland, do, out of such Monies as shall hereafter come into their Hands upon the Acts for Subscriptions, pay unto Nicholas Loftus Esquire, Deputy Treasurer at Wars for that Kingdom, the Sum of Eight Hundred Eighty-six Pounds, Eighteen Shillings, to be by him paid over to Sir John Clotworthy Knight, to give Satisfaction unto the Executors or Assigns of Captain Upton deceased (who was Captain to One of the Ten Troops of Horse appointed to join with the Scottish Army in Ulster), or to such other Person or Persons as had the Command of that Troop, for the Three Months ended the 2d Day of August 1642, in a due Proportion, according to the Time each of them commanded the same; which Sum is to be taken unto them in full of those Three Months Pay for that Troop of Horse, and to be defalked accordingly upon the Accompt thereof."

Order to pay 886 l. 18 s. for Colonel Hill's Regiment in Ulster.

"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in this present Parliament assembled, That the Receivers of the Adventurers-money, upon the Acts of Subscriptions for Lands in Ireland, do pay, out of such Monies as shall hereafter come to their Hands upon those Acts for Subscriptions, the Sum of Eight Hundred Eighty-six Pounds, Eighteen Shillings, unto Nicholas Loftus Esquire, Deputy Treasurer at Wars for that Kingdom, to be by him paid over unto Arthur Hill Esquire, Colonel of a Regiment of Horse in the Province of Ulster, in Ireland, or to his Assigns, in full of Three Months Pay, ending the 2d Day of August 1642, for One of his Troops of Horse, which is appointed, amongst others, to join with the Scottish Army; which is in Pursuance of the Resolution of both Houses of Parliament, grounded upon the Report of the Lords and others His Majesty's Commissioners for the Affairs of Ireland, dated the 16th Day of September 1642, and is to be defalked upon the Accompt thereof."

Order for 1172 l. 14s. for the Train of Artillery in Ireland.

"Whereas it appeareth to the House of Commons, by a Report made unto them from the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland, that several Sums of Money are due, and in Arrear, unto divers Persons sent hence the last Summer, to be employed in the Train of Artillery in Ireland, and are since discharged the Service, and sent back, the whole amounting to the Sum of Eleven Hundred Seventy-two Pounds, and Fourteen Shillings: It is now Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in this present Parliament assembled, That the Receivers of the Alventurers-money, upon Subscriptions for Lands in Ireland, do, out of such of those Monies as are or shall come to their Hands, pay unto Nicholas Loftus Esquire, Deputy Treasurer at Wars for that Kingdom, the said Sum of Eleven Hundred Seventy-two Pounds, and Fourteen Shillings, to be by him paid over unto the several Persons mentioned in the Certificates of each Persons due, and as he shall receive the further Orders of the Committee for the Affairs of Ireland for the same."

Footnotes

* Origin. that is.
Origin it fit.
Bis in Originali.
* Origin. Wemst.
Deest in Originali.