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House of Lords Journal Volume 6
7 November 1643

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 6: 7 November 1643', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 6: 1643 (1767-1830), pp. 297-298. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37387 Date accessed: 28 November 2014.


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DIE Martis, 7 die Novembris.

PRAYERS.

These Lords present:

The Lord Grey of Warke, Speaker.

Comes Northumb.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Manchester.
Comes Bollingbrooke.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Lyncolne.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Comes Denbigh.
Comes Suffolke.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Hunsden.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Wharton.

Earl of Nottingham, Leave to be absent.

Ordered, That the Earl of Nottingham hath Leave to be absent for Four or Five Days.

Order for the Middlesex Troop to guard the County, sent to the H. C.

It was moved, "That the Order for the appointing of Midd. Troop to be employed for the guarding of the County and the City, may be sent down to the House of Commons, to desire their Consent therein;" which accordingly was done, by Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page.

Message from thence, for using the New Great Seal;

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Stroude:

To desire their Lordships to concur with them, in putting the new Great Seal into Execution.

and for Mr. Pym to be Lieutenant of the Ordnance.

2. To desire their Lordships Concurrence in an Ordinance for making Mr. Pym Lieutenant of the Ordnance.

(Here enter it.)

Read; and Resolved, upon the Question, That this House agrees to this Order, for making Mr. Pym Master of the Ordnance.

Earl of Manchester took the Covenant.

This Day the Earl of Manchester took and subscribed the Covenant of the Three Kingdoms.

The Answer returned to this Message was:

Answer to the H. C.

That their Lordships will send an Answer, by Messengers of their own, to both the Particulars of this Message.

Message to them, that the Lords agree Mr. Pym shall be Lieutenant of the Ordnance.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Serjeant Whitfeild and Serjeant Fynch:

To let them know, that this House agrees in the Ordinance for making Mr. John Pym, Senior, Esquire, Master of the Ordinance; and to acquaint them, that their Lordships will send an Answer concerning the Ordinance of the Great Seal, by Messengers of their own.

Message from thence, that the Earl of Holland may be secured in The Tower, and examined.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Peter Wentworth, &c.

To desire that the Person of the Earl of Holland, lately come from the King's Quarters, may be forthwith secured in The Tower; and that none may speak with him but in the Presence of his Keeper; and that he may be forthwith examined, by a Committee of Lords, in the Presence of some Members of the House of Commons.

Earl of Holland to be examined.

Ordered, That the Gentleman Usher attending this House shall bring the Earl of Holland this Afternoon, at Two of the Clock, to be examined; and, in the mean Time, he is to see that none speak with the Earl of Holland, but in his Presence, until he be examined.

Committee to examine him.

And these Lords were appointed to examine the Earl of Holland:

Earls of Northumb.
Pembrooke.
Lyncolne.
Sarum.
Denbigh.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
L. Wharton, and
L. Howard.

To fit P. M.

And this House to fit this Afternoon, at Five a Clock; and then this House will give further Directions what is fit to be done with the said (fn. *) Earl of Holland.

Answer to the H. C.

The Answer returned to the House of Commons was:

That their Lordships will send an Answer by Messengers of their own.

Answers from the H. C.

The Messengers sent to the House of Commons return with this Answer:

That they agree to the Ordinance concerning Midd. Troop.

The other Messengers sent to the House of Commons return with this Answer:

That they have delivered their Message to the House of Commons, concerning Mr. Pym to be Lieutenant of the Ordnance, and concerning the Great Seal.

Message to them, about the Earl of Holland's Examination.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Mr. Serjeant Whitfeild and Mr. Serjeant Fynch:

To let them know, that their Lordships have appointed the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod, in whose Custody he is, to bring the Earl of Holland this Afternoon, at Two of the Clock, to be examined, and have nominated a Committee of Lords to examine him, in the Presence of some Members of the House of Commons, upon such Interrogatories as they shall desire; and that their Lordships have Ordered, That he shall speak with none untill he be examined, but in the Presence of the said Gentleman Usher; and that their Lordships intend to sit at Five of the Clock, after the said Examination; and then their Lordships will consider what is fit further to be done with the said Earl of Holland; to that Purpose, their Lordships desire them to sit likewise.

Message from thence, with Orders.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Pye Knight, &c.

To desire their Lordships Concurrence in several Orders; One whereof was read now; videlicet,

An Order concerning the Vintners paying of Excise for Wine. (Here enter it.)

Agreed to, with a small Alteration; which was presently sent down to the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page.

Sir John Chapman and Munday, in Error.

Ordered, That (fn. *) the Plaintiff in the Writ of Error between Sir John Chapman Plaintiff, and Francis Munday and his Wife Defendants, shall assign Errors by Thursday come Sevennight peremptorily.

Answer from the H. C. about the Earl of Holland.

The Messengers sent to the House of Commons return with this Answer:

That they have appointed a Committee to be present, at Three of the Clock this Afternoon, at the Examination of the Earl of Holland.

Order for London Vintners to pay Excise for Wines.

The Lords and Commons having been informed that the Vintners of the City of London and Westm. and Ten Miles Compass, as also throughout the Country, have, notwithstanding the favourable Provision made for them by the several Ordinances of Excise, 11 Septembris and 7 Octobris, delayed to pay the Half thereby limited and appointed to be paid by the said Vintners, for such Wines as were upon their Hands at or before the 11th of September last: It is hereby Ordained, by the said Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That if any Vintners shall delay or neglect without further Warning to bring in all such Sums of Money as shall be due for Excise of Wines upon their Hands at or before the 11th of September last, into such Office of Excise under which their Habitation is comprehended, within Ten Days after Publication hereof within the respective Places, that then every such Vintner shall, after Expiration of the said Ten Days, be liable to pay (fn. *) the whole Excise for all such Wines as the Merchant and Cooper by the said Ordinance is enjoined; and, in Default thereof, by Delay or Not-payment of the said whole Excise, every such Vintner shall be proceeded against without Delay, by Distress or otherwise, according to the Ordinance of Excise.

John Pym Senior, Lieutenant of the Ordnance.

"It is this Day Ordered, by the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament, That John Pym the Elder, Esquire, shall be Lieutenant of the Ordinance; and shall execute the said Place in all the Duties thereof, and shall receive all the Profits and Advantages thereunto belonging, in as ample Manner as any other Lieutenant of the Ordnance formerly had, might, or ought to have done."

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 4a post meridiem.

Post meridiem.

PRAYERS.

The Lord Grey Speaker.

E. Northumb.
E. Pembrooke.
E. Lyncolne.
E. Denbigh.
E. Suffolke.
E. Stamford.
E. Rutland.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Hunsden.
Ds. Bruce.

Earl of Holland's Examination.

The Earl of Northumberland reported, "That the Examination of the Earl of Holland is not perfected; but their Lordships have appointed To-morrow Morning to do the same:" Hereupon this House Ordered, That his Lordship shall continue in the Custody of the Gentleman Usher, until this House gives further Directions To-morrow.

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 10a cras.

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