House of Lords Journal Volume 6
29 March 1644

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 6: 29 March 1644', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 6: 1643 (1767-1830), pp. 490-492. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37485 Date accessed: 20 September 2014.


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DIE Veneris, 29 die Martii.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Coleman.

Lords present this Day:

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

L. General.
L. Admiral.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Stamford.
Comes Kent.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Northumb.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Suffolke.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Bruse.
Ds. Hunsdon.

Mrs. Hodges's Petition, for Leave to carry down Necessaries for the Queen's Lying-in.

Upon reading the Petition of Hester Hodges; shewing, That she being sent up to London, to provide Necessaries for Her Majesty's Lying-in and Nursery, and their Lordships giving her Time to buy them, and she having provided them; she desired that some Person may be appointed to search them, and seal them up, that so she may have Liberty to go to Oxford with them."

and Brown's, for Furniture for the Queen.

Also a Petition of Henry Browne was read; desiring, That there may be an Order for sending a Bed and some Hangings to the Queen, with the other Particulars."

Hereupon this House Agreed, To give a Pass for these Things to be sent to Oxford; and sent to the House of Commons, to desire them to join herein, and that they will appoint some Persons to search and seal them up.

E. of Manchester to send up Colonel Bury.

Upon Information to this House, "That Lieutenant Colonel Bury, who was sent for by this House to answer some scandalous Reports which he hath made of the Lord Willoughby of Parham, a Member of this House, is gone into the Earl of Manchester's Army, being an Officer there:" It is Ordered, That the Speaker of this House do write a Letter to the Earl of Manchester, to desire him to send up the said Lieutenant Colonel Bury to this House, to answer the same.

Message from the H.C. for a Conference about the Dutch Papers.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Henry Mildmay Knight, and others:

To desire a Free Conference, concerning the Papers delivered from the Dutch Ambassadors, touching the Grounds of Peace.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House will give a present Free Conference, in the Painted Chamber, as is desired.

Message from thence, with an Ordinance.

Another Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Henry Mildmay Knight, and others:

To desire their Lordships Concurrence in an Ordinance concerning the County of North'ton.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

That this House will send an Answer, by Messengers of their own.

Ordinance concerning Northampton.

The Ordinance concerning the County of Northampton was read Twice, and committed to the Committee of the whole House, to be taken into Consideration.

The House was adjourned during Pleasure.

And the House being resumed;

This House agreed to the said Ordinance, with this Alteration in the Second Page, in the last Line, before the Word ["and"], in the Beginning, add these Words ["or such as they have appointed"].

The House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, this House was resumed.

Answer from the H. C.

The Messengers return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That they will send an Answer, by Messengers of their own, concerning granting a Pass for sending the Queen those Particulars for her Lying-in and Nursery.

Report of the Conference concerning the Dutch Papers, and the Grounds of Peace.

The Speaker reported the Effect of the Conference with the House of Commons: "That the House of Commons having taken into Consideration the Matter of the last Conference from your Lordships, concerning the Grounds of Peace, and the Papers of the Dutch Ambassadors, do not find any Cause but that they should adhere to their own Votes concerning the same; and therefore have thought fit, at this Conference, once again to desire your Lordships Concurrence with them therein; to which they are the rather encouraged, in respect your Lordships have declared yourselves, that, in your Lordships Judgement, that which now rests in this Matter between the Two Houses is but a Circumstance, which, notwithstanding, the House of Commons do esteem a Matter very essential to the Good of the Public, as by their Reasons remaining with your Lordships doth clearly appear; and that, if the Committee of Nine desired by your Lordships should be assented unto by the House of Commons, the Work of that, or of the Committee of both Kingdoms, must necessarily thereby be extremely retarded, if not altogether made fruitless; and the House of Commons do assure themselves, from the Willingness which is expressed by your Lordships of holding a good Correspondency between the Two Houses, that your Lordships will rather think fit to dispense with that which in your Judgement is but a Circumstance, and which is attended with so much Prejudice to the Public, than to expect the Consent of the House of Commons to what your Lordships have propounded in this Particular; they having endeavoured to give your Lordships all possible Satisfaction in this Business by several Conferences, the expediting whereof they hold to be of very great Importance, and such as cannot well admit any further Delays, as they find your Lordships do acknowledge; and therefore do promise themselves a speedy Concurrence from your Lordships."

And, upon Debate, this House Resolved, To have a Conference; and the Lord General was to deliver the Sense of this House; videlicet, (Here enter it.)

Heads for a further Conference on this Subject.

Gentlemen,

I am commanded by the Lords to acquaint you how desirous they are, at all Times, to keep a good Correspondence between the Two Houses, especially now we have so many Enemies. That which is in Question between the Houses is of Two Particulars, though both of the same Nature, tending to One End, which is for Peace; One proceeded from the House of Commons, which I hope soon may be reconciled; but for that which concerns The States Ambassadors, the Lords have this Day received a Message from them, that they are to write away this Day, who will think it strange they have had no Answer all this while from the Parliament; wherefore the Lords desire, that you will join with them in that, they seeing no Reason why they should alter their Opinions, their House being first possessed of it; yet they are not so wedded to it, but that, if a Precedent can be shewed, that when the Lords had once named a Committee, and desired the House of Commons to concur with them, and to name a proportionable Number of their Members, and that the House of Commons refused to join with them, and the Lords receded, they will join with them."

Delinquents sent for, for taking away the Countess Dowager of Rutland's Goods.

Upon Information to this House, "That whereas the Countess Dowager of George late Earl of Rutland hath granted to her the Privilege of a Peer, to be cessed for the Twentieth and Fifth Part by the House of Peers, and not at Haberdashers Hall; yet divers of her Goods have been seized and carried away, contrary to the Order of this House:" Hereupon this House Ordered, That the Persons that committed this Offence shall have Notice to appear before this House on Monday Morning next, to answer the same.

Message to the H. C. for a further Conference on the Dutch Papers, &c.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Serjeant Whitfield and Mr. Page:

To desire a present Conference, touching the last Conference.

Answer.

The Messengers return with this Answer from the House of Commons:

That they will give a present Conference, as is desired.

Then this House was adjourned during Pleasure, and the Lords went to the Conference; which being ended, the House was resumed.

Adjourn.

House adjourned till 9 a cras.