House of Lords Journal Volume 6
24 May 1644

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'House of Lords Journal Volume 6: 24 May 1644', Journal of the House of Lords: volume 6: 1643 (1767-1830), pp. 565-567. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=37528 Date accessed: 26 July 2014.


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DIE Veneris, 24 die Maii.

PRAYERS, by Mr. Whittaker.

Domini præsentes fuerunt:

Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.

Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Sarum.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Suffolke.
Comes Stamford.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Comes Kent.
Comes Bolingbrooke.
Ds. Howard.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Bruce.
Ds. Wharton.
Ds. Dacres.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Berkley.

Isle of Wight Petition.

Upon reading a Petition directed to the Earl of Pembrooke & Mountgomery from many of the Inhabitants of the Isle of Wight: Hereupon it is Ordered, That this Petition be communicated to the House of Commons To-morrow, at a Conference.

Earl of Stamford's Complaint against Mr. Nicholls.

Upon reading the Petition of Henry Earl of Stamford; desiring, "That a Committee of both Houses may be appointed, to examine some Witnesses of his, concerning his Complaint against Mr. Nicholls:"

Hereupon this (fn. *) House appointed these Lords following to consider Precedents, and what Course is fit to be taken in this Business:

Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Sarum.
Ds. Hunsdon.
Ds. Bruce.

Their Lordships, or any Three, to meet when they please.

The House called.

The House was this Day called; and these Lords were absent:

Ds. Littleton.
Ds. Seymour.
Ds. Cottington.
Ds. Herbert.
Ds. Powis.
Ds. Dunsemore.
Ds. Savill.
Ds. Mohun.
Ds. Goringe.
Ds. Brudnell.
Ds. Pawlett.
Ds. Lovelace.
Ds. Fawconbridge.
Ds. Craven, extra Regnum.
Ds. Robertes, excused, being in the Army.
Ds. Deincourt.
Ds. Mountague.
Ds. Digby.
Ds. Teynham.
Ds. Arundell.
Ds. Stanhope, extra Regnum.
Ds. Chandois.
Ds. North, excused for his Absence now; but to be sent to again, to attend this House.
Ds. Pagett.
Ds. Evre.
Ds. Cromwell.
Ds. Wentworth.
Ds. Vaux, extra Regnum.
Ds. Stourton.
Ds. Dudley.
Ds. Darcie.
Ds. Morley.
Ds. Awdley.
Ds. Abergavenny.
Ds. Mowbrey.
Viscount Stafford, extra Regnum.
Viscount Campden.
Viscount Conway.
Viscount Purbecke.
Viscount Mountague, extra Regnum.
Comes Portland.
Comes St. Albans.
Comes Thannett.
Comes Chesterfield.
Comes Newport.
Comes Kingston.
Comes Newcastle.
Comes Rivers.
Comes Marleborough.
Comes Mulgrave, excused, having sent his Proxy.
Comes Cleveland.
Comes Berks.
Comes Manchester, excused, being in Command in the Army.
Comes Westm'land.
Comes Clare.
Comes Holland, excused.
Comes Bristoll.
Comes Denbigh, excused, being in Command.
Comes Carlile.
Comes Cambridge.
Comes Warwicke, Lord Admiral, excused.
Comes Leicester.
Comes Bridgwater.
Comes Dorsett.
Comes Nottingham.
Comes Essex, Lord General, excused.
Comes Bedford.
Comes South'ton.
Comes Bath.
Comes Huntingdon.
Comes Wigorn.
Comes Derbie.
Comes Salop.
Comes Arundell, extra Regnum.
Comes Lyndsey, Mag. Cam. Angliæ.
Marchio Hertford.
Marchio Winton.
Dux Richmond.

Committee to consider of the Earl of Thanet's Absence.

Ordered, That these Lords following are appointed to consider what the Earl of Thannett can say for his being (fn. *) absent from this House, and to report the same to this House:

Comes Northumb.
Comes Rutland.
Comes Pembrooke.
Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Sarum.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Hunsdon.

Any Three, to meet when they please.

Propositions for a Peace.

The House was adjourned into a Committee during Pleasure, to take the Propositions for a safe and a wellgrounded Peace into Consideration.

And the House being resumed;

* * * "Whether there shall be an Act prepared according to the Seventeenth Article?"

And it was Resolved in the Affirmative.

Protest concerning them.

These Lords following, before the putting of this Question, desired Leave to enter their Dissents to this Question; and it was granted accordingly:

Comes Lyncolne.
Comes Stamford.
Ds. Willoughby.
Ds. Hunsdon.

Message from the H. C. for directing the Proceedings of both Kingdoms.

A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Pye Knight, and others:

To desire their Lordships Concurrence in an Ordinance for directing the Proceedings of the Committee of both Houses appointed to join with the Committees and Commissioners of Scotland.

The said Ordinance was read Once.

The Answer returned was:

Answer.

This House will return an Answer to this Message by Messengers of their own.

Petition of the Inhabitants of the Isle of Wight to the Earl of Pembroke, with Propositions for their Safety.

Newport, May 20th, 1644.

Right Honourable,

The Miseries and Calamities that still threaten this our little Country (occasioned chiefly, as we conceive), by those Strangers that are gotten in amongst us, and here busy themselves with the Affairs and Government of this Isle, inforceth us again to be thus troublesome to your Lordship, as to become humble Suitors, that, according to your wonted Respects and Care over us, your Lordship would be pleased, for the more certain Continuance and Preservation of that Peace we have, by God's Blessing, and your Honour's Care, hitherto enjoyed in these most miserable and distracted Times, which undoubtedly will amount to a great Mischief amongst us, unless some speedy Course be taken for Prevention thereof: Now, to that Purpose, we here make bold to present to your Lordship these few ensuing Propositions; the which being weighed, and such Order therein settled as in your Lordship's grave Wisdom you shall think fit, we conceive (under Favour) will be the only Means for the Continuance of the same Peace and Quietness amongst us:

1. First, That our Petition, lately sent to your Lordship and the Honourable Committee for the Safety of both Kingdoms, may (with as much Conveniency as possible) be taken into Consideration.

2. That some of our own honest Country Gentlemen may be enabled to collect such Monies as are to be raised here by virtue of any Ordinance of Parliament (who would willingly undergo the same at their own Charge); and that Strangers may not intermeddle therein, or bear any Kind of Office here, in regard the same breeds much Discontent amongst the Inhabitants of this Isle.

3. That the Companies now raised for the Defence of this Isle may be reduced to Three Companies at the most; and that such Captains and Officers as have already Command may be continued, as by the Approbation of the well-affected Gentry and Freeholders here shall be thought fitting; which will give much Content to this Country.

4. That some speedy Order may be taken, that the Monies here raised, or to be raised, by virtue of the Ordinance for Excise, be employed towards the Maintenance of the Garrison here, according to the former Order in that Behalf made; for without those Monies this Country is no Ways able to maintain scarce any Garrison at all; and the Commissioners for Excise refuse to pay any of the same Monies towards the Maintenance of the said Garrison here, alledging they have given Bond to pay the same to the Commissioners for Excise in London.

5. That forasmuch as Information is given, that all Shipping under the Protection of this State, now in Spaine, France, and other Kingdoms beyond the Seas, are there stayed, and that a great Fleet and much Preparation for War, as well in Spaine as in other Foreign Places, are at present in Readiness for an Invasion, and, by all Probabilities and Likelihood, bound for some of these Southern Parts; some Shipping may not only forthwith be sent down to ride hereabouts, but that also Colonel Carne be hastened hither with all Speed that possible may be, for that we have not an experienced Soldier here amongst us to command in Chief; and if, in his Absence, it should so happen (which God in His Mercy defend) that a Foreign Enemy should fall upon us, we were in the most miserablest Condition of any Place in the Kingdom, and the whole Island in very great Danger of losing.

6. That a speedy Supply of Two Hundred Barrels of Powder at the least, and Swords, with the like Proportion of all other Provisions for War, be sent unto us; for that, if Occasion should be, we have no considerable Proportion to maintain a Fight, nor any Swords at all in our Stores.

7. That, if it might stand with your Lordship's Convenience that you would be pleased to honour us with your Presence, though it were but for One Week, for the better establishing of Peace and Quietness amongst us, we the Inhabitants of this poor little Isle shall not only be bound to pray for the Continuance of your Lordship's Honour, but, according to our Protestations, Vows, and Covenants, most chearfully endeavour to maintain the Cause now in Hand, against all Opposers thereof, as we have ever hitherto been and still are ready, with our Lives and Fortunes, so to do; all which we offer and leave to Lordship's Wisdom and grave Consideration, resting and remaining

Your Lordship's
Most humble and faithful Servants.

Lords Protest, concerning the Propositions for a Peace.

After the Debate upon the Propositions prepared by the Committee of both Kingdoms for a safe and well-grounded Peace, to be presented to both Houses of Parliament of England, and to the Convention of Estates in Scotland, or their Committees, to be by them reviewed and considered, and then by the mutual Advice and Consent of both Kingdoms to be perfected:

Upon the 17th Proposition; videlicet,

An Act for the settling of all Forces by Sea and Land in Commissioners, to be nominated by both Houses of Parliament; of Persons of known Integrity, and such as both Kingdoms may conside in, for their Faithfulness to Religion and Peace of the Kingdoms, of the House of Peers, of the House of Commons; who shall be removed or altered from Time to Time, as both Houses shall think fit; and when any shall die, others to be nominated in their Places by the said Houses; which Commissioners shall have Power,

1. To suppress any Forces raised without Authority of both Houses of Parliament, or, in the Intervals of Parliament, without Consent of the said Commissioners; and to suppress any Foreign Forces that shall invade this Kingdom; and that it shall be High Treason in any who shall levy any Force without such Authority or Consent, any Commission under the Great Seal, or other Warrant to the contrary, notwithstanding; and they to be uncapable of any Pardon from His Majesty, and their Estates to be disposed of as both Houses of Parliament shall think fit.

2. To preserve the Peace now to be settled, and to prevent all Disturbances that may arise by Occasion of the late Troubles; and to enquire by Jury, and to hear and determine, all Violation of the Articles among the Subjects of the Kingdom of (fn. *) England.

So for the Kingdom of Scotland.

3. To have Power to send Part of themselves, so as they exceed not a Third Part, or be not under the Number of, to reside in the Kingdom of Scotland, to assist and vote as single Persons, with the Commissioners of Scotland, in those Matters wherein the Kingdom of Scotland is only concerned.

So for the Kingdom of Scotland.

4. That the Commissioners of both Kingdoms may meet as a joint Committee, as they shall see Cause, or send Part of themselves as aforesaid, to do as followeth:

1. To preserve the Peace betwixt the Kingdoms and the King, and every One of them.

2. To prevent the Violation of the Articles of Peace as aforesaid, or any Troubles arising in the Kingdoms; and to hear and determine all Differences that may occasion the same, according to the Treaty; and to do further according as they shall respectively receive Instructions from both Houses of Parliament in England, or the Estates of Parliament in Scotl. and, in the Intervals of Parliament, from the Commissioners.

3. To raise and join the Forces of both Kingdoms, to resist all Foreign Invasion, and to suppress any Forces raised within any of the Kingdoms, by any Authority under the Great Seal, or other Warrant whatsoever, without Consent of both Houses of Parliament in Engl. and the Estates of the Parliament in Scotl. or the Commissioners of that Kingdom whereof they are Subjects; and that, in those Cases of joint Concernment to both Kingdoms, the Commissioners to be directed to be there all, or such Part as aforesaid, to act and direct as joint Commissioners of both Kingdoms.

4. To order the War of Irel. according to the Ordinance of the Eleventh of April; and to order the Militia, and conserve the Peace, of the Kingdom of Ireland."

The House being resumed, to put it to the Question, Whether there should be an Act prepared, according to the said Seventeenth Article; we whose Names are under written did dissent; and having, before the putting of the Question, demanded our Right of Protestation, did accordingly make our Protestation; and we do hereby protest our Dissents to that Vote, and do thus enter it as aforesaid:

T. Lyncolne.
Stanforde.
E. Willughbye.
Jo. Hunsdon.

Message to the H. C. with the Ordinance to regulate Sequestrations.

A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Rich and Mr. Page:

To let them know, that this House agrees with them in the Ordinance for regulating the Ordinance for Sequestrations, with the Amendments and Additions; and to desire their Concurrence therein.

Footnotes

* Deest in Originali.
* Origin. Absence.
* Origin. Scott.