DIE Sabbati, 22 die Junii.
PRAYERS, by Mr. Tuckney.
Domini præsentes fuerunt:
Ds. Grey de Warke, Speaker.
L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Message from the H. C. with a Vote for bringing in 10,000 more Scots.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by John Glynn Esquire, Recorder of the City of
London, and others:
To let their Lordships know, that they are informed
of the great Pressures which the Counties of Northumb.
Cumb. and Westm. &c. suffer under the Enemy; and
considering the Engagements the Scotts Army is in
before Yorke, and the Inconveniency which will come
to the City of London and the Southern Parts for Want
of Fuel, if some speedy Course be not taken for reducing the Town of Newcastle to the Obedience of the
Parliament: For preventing of these Things, the House
of Commons have passed a Vote, wherein they desire
their Lordships (fn. *) Concurrence; videlicet,
"That the Forces already raised, and in raising, in
the Kingdom of Scotland (being, as is reported, about
Ten Thousand), be invited forthwith to come in, for
Ordered, That this House agrees with the House
of Commons in this Vote.
The Answer returned was:
That this House agrees with the House of Commons
in this Vote, for inviting the Ten Thousand Scotts forthwith to come in, for our Assistance.
The Earl of Holland's Letter to the Speaker, concerning taking off his Protection from Nathaniell Hobbard, in the Cause of Raven's Heir, was read.
(Here enter it.)
Message from the H. C. with an Ordinance.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Sir Rob't Pye Knight, and others:
To desire their Lordships Concurrence in an Ordinance concerning the associating the Counties of Oxon,
Bucks, and Berks.
The Answer returned was:
That this House will take this Ordinance into present Consideration, and send an Answer by Messengers
of their own.
Message from the H. C. with Two Ordinances.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons, by Mr. Greene and others;
To desire their Lordships Concurrence in Two Ordinances:
1. Concerning the settling the Payment of the Lord
General's Army, and Sir Wm. Waller's Army.
(Here enter it.)
Read Thrice, and Agreed to.
2. An Ordinance concerning the paying Twelve
Thousand and Three Hundred Pounds to the Lord General's Army, advanced by the Commissioners of the
Excise. (Here enter it.)
Read Thrice, and Agreed to.
Letter from the L. General.
The Speaker acquainted this House, "That he hath
received a Letter from the Lord General;" which
was read, as followeth: (Here enter it.)
"For the Right Honourable the Speaker of the
House of Peers pro Tempore; and to the
Speaker of the Honourable House of Commons."
Ordered, To be communicated to the House of
Commons, at a Conference.
The Answer to the last Message was:
Answer to the H. C.
That this House agrees to both the Ordinances now
Message to them, for a Conference about the Letter from the L. General.
A Message was sent to the House of Commons, by
Sir Edward Leech and Dr. Aylett:
To desire a Conference, concerning a Letter received
from the Lord General, directed to both (fn. *) Houses.
Lady Joselyn and Lady Leventhorp's Children.
The Earl of Northumb. reported to this House,
"That the Lady Joseline is willing to pay the Money,
according to their Lordships Order, for the Use of
the Children of the Lady Leventhorpe:" Hereupon
this House Ordered, That the Money be paid into
the Hands of the Clerk of the Parliament, there to remain until this House gives further Directions for disposing of it, according to the former Order of this
House; and because the Money is in the Country, it
is Ordered, That an Order of this House be granted,
for the permitting of it to be safely conveyed to London: And it is further Ordered, That the Lady Josseline be kept harmless and indemnified, by virtue of
this Order, for paying the said Money in accordingly.
Raylton's Petition, concerning the E. of Strafford's Assessment.
Upon reading the Petition of Will'm Raylton; shewing, "That whereas the Petitioner hears of an Intendment to tax the Right Honourable Wm. now
Earl of Strafford for his Twentieth Part; and the
Petitioner conceiving that, if any such Thing be, it
is to be done by your Lordships, or by a Committee
of the House of Peers (and not elsewhere), the said
Earl being a Peer of this Kingdom: His humble
Suit in Behalf of the said Earl (who hath been
above these Fourteen Months past in Foreign Parts
by Licence of this Honourable House) is, That, before such Assessment be made, you will vouchsafe to
hear what may be fit to inform your Lordships Judgements concerning the said Earl's Estate."
Hereupon this House Ordered, That the Agent
of the Earl of Strafford shall be heard before he be
Committee to prepare Heads for a Conference on the L. General's Letter.
Ordered, That the Earls of Pembrooke, Lyncolne,
the Lord North, and the Lord Willoughby, are appointed
to consider what is fit to be said at the next Conference,
upon the receiving of the Lord General's Letter.
Ordered, That these Lords following are appointed
to consider of the Coventries Petition, and report their
Opinions to this House:
|L. Viscount Say & Seale.
Any Three, to meet on Monday Morning next,
at Nine of the Clock.
Answer from the H. C.
The Messengers sent to the House of Commons return with this Answer:
That they will give a present Conference, as is desired, in the Painted Chamber.
Lords Leave to be absent.
Ordered, That the Lord Hunsdon hath Leave to
be absent from this House for Fourteen Days, upon
his own Occasions.
Ordered, That the Lord Grey hath Leave (fn. *) to be
absent until Tuesday next.
The Committee reported what the Committee hath
drawn up to be offered at the Conference with the
House of Commons, which was read:
Heads for the Conference on the L. General's Letter.
"That it be propounded at a Conference, That the
Lords do conceive, that, in respect of the Reasons
alledged by my Lord General in this Letter to both
Houses, and that he is now so far advanced into the
West, and also that the House of Commons have
disposed of the Pay of the Armies suitable thereunto; that it is fit the Lord General should advance,
and follow those Advantages he hath for the Recovery of the West, and preventing the Association
of those Western Counties, the raising of Forces,
and levying of Money in those Parts."
Resolved, upon the Question, That this be delivered
at the Conference with the House of Commons.
Report concerning the Method of giving Audience to The States Ambassadors.
The Earl of Lyncolne reported, "That the Committee of Lords have met with the Committee of
the House of Commons, concerning The States Ambassadors; and they offer to their Lordships their
"Resolved, That it is the Opinion of the Committee, That Sir Oliver Fleming, Master of the Ceremonies, shall repair unto The States Ambassadors, to
let them know, that the Houses do expect that they
make their Demand of Audience in Writing; with
which Writing if the Houses rest satisfied, it is the
Opinion of the Committee, That Audience shall be
given to the Ambassadors in each House apart."
Ordered, That this House approves of this Opinion of the Committee; and that a Message be sent to
the House of Commons, to let them know, that this
House approves thereof; and that, if they do likewise
approve of it, that Sir Oliver Fleming may have Directions forthwith to put the same into Execution.
And accordingly, for this Purpose, a Message was
sent to the House of Commons, by Sir Edward Leech
and Dr. Aylett.
E of Holland's Letter, about his Protection to Hobbart, complained of in Raven's Suit.
"I have, by the Favour of my Lords, seen a Petition of James Raven's, that hath been presented to
their Lordships, and likewise their Answer, very
graciously in the Manner of it expressed towards me.
My Lord, I do humbly beseech you to represent
unto their Lordships what hath passed concerning
this Business; it is more than a Year since that a
Petition was delivered to their Lordships to this Purpose, at which Time I told them, that this was the
only Protection that I had given to any; and that I
was ready, if their Lordships pleased, to re-call it;
but I had informed myself that Mr. Hubbert was
willing to pay, though this was none of his own
Debt, his Part of the full Principal, it amounting to
about, or something above, a Hundred Pounds; a
Gentleman of very good Condition and Fortune,
much more able than himself, being likewise bound
for this Debt. This my Lords thought very fair and
reasonable of Mr. Hobert's Part, and recommended
the Performance of it to my Care. Upon the which,
I sent to those Persons employed for young Raven,
to whom Mr. Hobard very readily did offer to lay
down this Money, and to leave him free, with the
Bond in his Hands, and with the Advantage of the
Execution to recover the other Part from that Gentleman that was bound with him; but, not being able
to agree it upon the First Meeting, I essayed several
Times to do it. But truly, my Lord, I found those
Persons that dealt for Raven not willing to accept of
that from Mr. Hobert that I should have done; they
treating, and pretending to have it in their Power to
compound with him. But, when I found I could not
compose it between them, I made a Report unto
my Lords what had passed in it, and that I was
ready howsoever to recall my Protection, if their
Lordships believed it fit; but they were so little
satisfied with the Proceedings of these Persons, and
did believe Mr. Hobert's Part to be so reasonable,
the Debt not being his own, as they would not advise me to re-call this Protection: But, since it is again
stirred, though by what I have observed rather to
vex, than to receive any Advantage from this poor
Gentleman in the low Condition of his Fortune, I
am very ready to re-call this only Protection that I
ever gave; especially finding what is my Lords Sense
upon it, which I shall at all Times obey before my
own; desiring their Lordships to believe likewise,
that, as this Cause concerned an Orphan, I have
looked upon it with such Tenderness, as my Part
hath been, I am confident, more to oblige and relieve
him in this Business, than these Persons that prosecute Mr. Hobert. I beg your Lordships Pardon for
this long Relation, and rest,
This 20th of June.
"Your most humble Servant,
"For the Right Honourable the
Lord Gray of Warke, Speaker
of the House of Peers pro
Commissioners of Excise to reimburse themselves 12300 l. advanced for the L. General's Army.
"Whereas John Towse Esquire, Alderman of the
City of London, and the rest of the Commissioners of
Excise and new Impost, have, for and towards the next
Month's Pay of the Lord General's Army, advanced
the Sum of Twelve Thousand Three Hundred Pounds,
before the same, in the Course of the ordinary Receipts, could come in: Be it Ordained, by the Lords
and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the said
Commissioners of Excise shall and may reimburse
themselves of the said Twelve Thousand Three
Hundred Pounds, or so much thereof as they shall
disburse of their own Monies, out of the First Receipts and Income of the Excise, any other Ordinance
or Ordinances whatsoever to the contrary in any Wife
notwithstanding; and the said Sum of Twelve Thousand Three Hundred Pounds is hereby Ordained to be
paid unto Sir Gilbert Gerrard Knight, Treasurer at
Wars, for the Use aforesaid, whose Receipt shall be
a sufficient Discharge unto the said Commissioners of
Ordinance for settling the Payment of the L. General's and Sir William Waller's Armies.
"Whereas, by a Commission from the Lord General,
Sir Will'm Wall'r was appointed to lead an Army into
the Western Parts, for reducing those Counties to
the Obedience of the King and Parliament; and
whereas it hath so happened, that the Lord General
is himself marched into those Parts with the Army
under his immediate Command, and Sir Wm. Walt'r
is engaged in other Services: It is therefore Ordained,
by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, That the
Sum of Ten Thousand Pounds shall be defalked out
of the Monies appointed by former Ordinance of
Parliament to the Maintenance of my Lord General's
Army, [ (fn. *) out of the Excise;] which Sum of Ten
Thousand Pounds shall be issued from Time to Time
for the Payment of the Army under the Conduct of
Sir Will'm Waller, and, in Lieu thereof, the like Sum
of Ten Thousand Pounds Monthly shall be paid, for
Supply and Maintenance of the Armies under the
Command of the Lord General, out of such Monies
as shall be raised by the Committee of the Western
Counties appointed by both Houses of Parliament;
that is to say, the County of Wilts, Dorsett, Somersett,
Devon, and Cornwall, together with the Cities of
Bristoll, Exeter, and the Town and County of Poole,
by virtue of any Ordinance of Parliament within the
said Counties, Cities, and Towns; which said Committee are hereby authorized to make Payment of
the said Sum of Ten Thousand Pounds Monthly unto
the Treasurers of the said Army for the Time being,
under the immediate Command of the Lord General,
for the Use of the said Army, whose Receipt shall
be a sufficient Discharge unto the said Committee and
Collectors within the said Western Counties; this
Ordinance to continue in Force until both Houses
take further Order herein."
E. of Essex's Letter, desiring to proceed Westward with his Army.
"For the Right Honourable
the Speaker of the House
of Peers pro Tempore, and
the Speaker of the Honourable House of Commons. These.
"I received a Letter, dated June the 10th, signed
by the Lord Gray of Warke and the Speaker of the
House of Commons, in which the House of Parliament do direct that such a considerable Party of
Horse should be sent to Lyme as might raise the Siege,
and (that Siege being raised) join with those of Lyme
in the Pursuit of the Enemy; and it appears by the
same Letter, that both Houses expect that the Pursuit
should be effectually continued, for the frustrating of
the Enemies settling of an Excise and raising of Men
and Monies in these Western Parts: I desire to satisfy
the Expectation, and fulfil the Desires, of both Houses
of Parliament, and therefore resolve to pursue Prince
Maurice and Hopton with my whole Army; for it is
impossible that the Settling of an Excise, &c. should
be wholly frustrated in these Western Parts with a
less Strength than the whole Body of my Horse and
Foot, as will appear by these ensuing Reasons:
"First, the Enemy is gathered together again, (fn. *) and
stands in a Body within Three Miles of Lyme; no
Doubt but that they have certain Intelligence that
Four or Five Hundred Men have been drawn off from
Lyme since we raised the Siege: I hope they do not
hear that we are desired to make a Stand by the Directions of the Grand Committee; yet have Reason
to suspect it, because they are so bold as to face
the Town again, as is signified to me by the Governor's Letter here inclosed.
"Secondly, I have sundry Troops of Horse engaged already for the Preservation of that distressed
but deserving Town of Lyme; and now there are so
many Hundred Men drawn off from thence, it is
impossible that the Town should be defended, or my
engaged Troops come off with Honour, unless I advance with my whole Army.
"Thirdly, Weymouth, Melcombe Regis, and Sarfoote
Castle, being now surrendered into my Hand, I must
leave some considerable Strength behind me, to preserve them, and block up Portland Men, or else I
may lose Weymouth whilst I go to relieve Lyme: You
see here's Work enough for a greater Army.
"Fourthly, I am assured by the Lord High Admiral, that the Western Countries will flock in from
all Parts to our Body, in case I advance with my Army
further West. Plymouth Men will take the Field
with Two Thousand Five Hundred Foot and Horse,
and fall upon the Rear of the Enemy whilst we
charge them in the Front.
"Lastly, It is the unanimous Judgement of the joint
Council of War, both by Sea and Land (called upon
this Occasion by the Lord High Admiral and myself),
that (fn. *) it will be exceeding prejudicial for me to retreat, or once make a Stand; and that my Advance
will (in all human Reason, by the Blessing of Heaven)
be (fn. †) effectual for the preserving of Lyme, breaking
the Enemies Association, and reducing of the West.
"If, after all my sad Consultations, faithful Endeavours, and (by God's Blessing) happy Success, you
shall call me back, as One that is not fit to be
trusted any further in a Business of such high Concernment, I will come and sit in Parliament; as not
knowing any Military Employment worthy of my
Presence in any associated County, which is wholly
committed to the Care and Trust of some inferior
Commander. I have no more to add but this, that
though your former Directions could not be observed,
yet your Desires have been fulfilled, by
"Your Lordships humble Servant,
"My Lords, I do forbear to give you an Account of the Ordnance, Arms, and Ammunition in the Towns, because there are Discoveries made every Hour of more and more
but what is already is very considerable, and
I shall shortly give you a particular Account."
House adjourned till Monday Morning next.