Sabbati, 5 die Januarii;
Sexto Gulielmi Tertii.
SIR Thomas Clarges, from the Commissioners for
taking and stating the publick Accounts, presented
to the House, according to Order, a State and Adjustment of the Debt due to the Transport-Ships: And the
same was read; and is as followeth; viz.
In pursuance of the Order of this Honourable House,
of the 3d of this Instant January, and the Direction of
the Act made in the last Session of Parliament, intituled,
An Act for appointing and enabling Commissioners to
examine, take, and state, the publick Accounts of the
Kingdom, the Commissioners, thereby authorized, do
That having summoned the Commissioners appointed
for the Transport-Ships for the War of Ireland, and other
Contractors for the same, and as many of the several
Owners and Proprietors of the said Ships, and their Executors or Assigns, as came to their Knowledge, to enable
them thereby to state the Accounts, and adjust the Debt
due for the said Ships;
After several Hearings of many of the said Parties, and
due Consideration of the Case, do find;
That about Seventy-five, or more, of the said Owners
and Proprietors have been so impoverished, by long Solicitations, and Attendance, for the Money due to them for
the Service by them performed, that they have not yet
appeared, either by themselves, or their Executors, or Assigns, to make out their respective Debts, though all due
Care hath been taken, both by the Commissioners, and the
said Commissioners for Transports, by publick Notice in
Print, not knowing their Places of Abode, to summon
them thereunto; many of them being dead, and others
in Prison, either here or in Foreign Parts:
That, in stating the Accounts, and adjusting the Debts,
of such of the Owners and Proprietors of the said Transport-Ships as have appeared, the only Difficulty which
hath occurred therein, hath been occasioned by one Mr.
John Bowles; who, suggesting, That the said Owners and
Proprietors had claimed more Tonage of their respective
Ships than they contained, had obtained their Majesties
Letters Patents, under the Great Seal of England, to be
to him granted, for the Re-admeasurement of the said
Ships, on Pretence that, by so doing, the Demands of the
said Owners for the said Service might be much reduced,
to their Majesties Advantage:
That, upon Examination of the said Mr. Bowles, and
the Commissioners, Contractors, Owners, and Proprietors,
aforesaid, it appeared to us;
That, of all those Ships taken up for that Service in
the Port of London, by the Purveyor of the Ordnance,
the Tonage was first agreed to by the Parties concerned;
being the same as is expressed in the Charter-parties:
That the like Method was used for most of the Ships
taken up in the other Ports, by the Surveyor of the Navy,
and the said Commissioners of Transports:
That the greatest Part of these Ships were hired, for
their Majesties Service, at less Tonage than what the
Owners before this Service submitted to pay to their Majesties Collectors of the Customs, both for Lights, and
all other Duties incumbent on such Ships:
That, although it was agreed by some Owners in their
Charter-parties to submit to a Re-admeasurement; and
thereupon several had acquiesced in the said Mr. Bowles
his Admeasurement; yet, at the same time, they declared
the full Burden of their Ships to contain the Measure they
were given in to be; and that they submitted to this Admeasurement, and took his Certificate, thereof by Constraint, to get their Accounts stated, which otherwise could
not be done:
That few other Ships held short in Measure of what
they were hired for:
That the said Mr. Bowles measured many of the Ships
above Water only; not taking the Length of their Keels,
as his Letters Patents directed him to do:
That many Ships were by him allowed by Computation,
and not Admeasurement; and by that Computation contained more in Burden, by Twenty Tons in a Ship, than
the Measure for which the Owners contracted for:
That by Miscomputations he had given in divers Ships
to hold less than they really contained, by his own Method
Wherefore, upon the whole Matter, it is our Opinion,
which is humbly submitted to the House, That the several
Owners and Proprietors of the Transport-Ships, and their
Executors and Assigns, be allowed their full Tonage and
Rates contracted for, according to the Accounts thereof
adjusted, and to be adjusted, by the Commissioners of
the Transports, and Officers of the Navy and Ordnance,
without Deduction, upon any Certificates from the said
Mr. Bowles; it not appearing to us, upon due Examination of the Premises, That their Majesties will be any
ways wronged thereby.
|And, after Consideration had, as aforesaid, of the State
of the Accounts of the said Ships, there appears to be due
to such of them as have produced
their Charter-parties, and made out
their Debts, the Sum of
|And to the Owners of the 75 Ships taken up in several Ports in England and Ireland, whose Charter-parties and Discharges have not yet been produced to us, or to the Commissioners of Transports, by Estimation, the Sum of
|In all £.
Tho. Pope Blount,
Tho. Clarges, Chr. Hutchinson,
Paul Foley, Ja. Houblon.
A Transcript, out of a Dutch Memorial, for the Information of the Lords Commissioners of the Treasury
of the King of Great Britain, wherein Secretary De
Wildt demands Payment of the Sum of 20,000£. to
satisfy a remaining Debt of his Majesty's, for Dutch
Ships hired for transporting his Majesty's Forces from
England to Ireland; which was given in . . the Commissioners of Transports by the Honourable Wm. Blaithwaite Esquire, in the Year 1692.
The Freight of all the aforesaid Transport Ships, commencing the 1st of April 1690, and most of them discharged in the End of September following; besides those
that were continued in the Month of October, and others
detained longer in the same Service in Ireland, and the
Loss of a Ship taken by the French; amounts, in the
Whole, to little less than 50,000 Guilders a Month; besides the Loss of the aforesaid Ship, with its Tackle and
Apparel, and other Charges demanded by the Masters,
which are fully adjusted, and amount to the Sum of
|In Provisions, and other Necessaries, which were, by Order of his Majesty, delivered out and paid for
|Besides which, the Masters of the aforesaid Ships demand Interest from the time they were dismissed till the time they shall be paid off, which at ½ per Cent. per Month, according to the Practice of Holland, and taking the Sum-Total together at 20,000 Livers, it will produce, for 18 Months
|Whereof received, at several times, by Secretary De Wildt, at London, as appears by his Receipt given for the same
|As may be seen in his Majesty's Treasury, Anno 1690.
|And likewise received by Mr. Ben. Poot, by Letter of Exchange from Sir Jos. Herne, in November 1690, the like Sum of
And a Credit is desired to be further given, by the Lords
Commissioners of the Treasury, to the said Secretary De
Wildt, by a Bill from Sir Joseph Herne to the said Mr. Poot,
for the Sum of 20,000£ Sterling, that the whole Sum of
this Debt may be received, and a Discharge given for the
Also Sir Thomas Littleton presented to the House an
Account of the several Debts for Transport-Service, paid
by the Office of Ordnance, out of Monies appointed for
And the same was read; and is as followeth; viz.
An ACCOUNT of Monies borrowed from other Services, in the Office of Ordnance, and paid to the several
Persons hereafter mentioned, for transporting Stores
to Ireland, before the Commission of Transport was
settled; for which the said Office was never reimbursed; whereby the Debt due to their Artificers is
so much increased; viz.
Tho. Littleton, Wm. Boulter.
Ordered, That the said State and Account do lie upon
the Table, that the Members of the House may peruse
Supply Bill; Land Tax.
Ordered, That the Committee of the whole House, to
whom the Bill for granting to his Majesty an Aid of 4s.
in the Pound, for One Year, for carrying on the War
against France with Vigour, is committed, do prepare
and bring in a Clause of Appropriation for the Use of
Mr. Boyle, according to Order, reported, from the Committee of Privileges and Elections, the Case touching the
Election for the Borough of Chippenhame in the County of
Wilts, as it appeared to the Committee; which he read
in his Place; and afterwards delivered in at the Clerk's
Table: where the same was read; and is as followeth;
Upon the Petition of several Burgesses of the Borough
of Chippenham in the County of Wilts, complaining of an undue Return of Richard Long Esquire, to
serve for the said Borough; and alleging, That Sir
Bazil Firebrasse Knight was duly elected to serve
for the same;
The Committee have examined the Merits of that
That the Right of Election was agreed to be in the
Freemen and Inhabitants of the Borough-houses:
That the Majority of the Poll was with the Sitting
Member; the Sitting Member having 67, Sir Bazil 51
That the Counsel for the Petitioners alleged, That
there was upon the Poll 22 for the Sitting Member, that
were unqualified to vote in that Election: But it being,
as they also alleged, to be proved by such as had signed
the Petition, who, by the Opinion of the Committee,
were not good Witnesses for that Purpose, that Matter
was not further insisted on; but the Majority remained
with the Sitting Member.
And the Petitioners Counsel applied themselves to prove
several Irregularities in the procuring Voters for the Sitting
Member: And called,
Mr. Thomas Stokes: Who testified, That several Gentlemen of the neighbouring Villages, above the Number
of Twenty, came to Chippenham, to make an Interest for
the Sitting Member Mr. Long; and threatened the Electors
to withdraw their Work and Custom from several of the
Electors, if they would not vote for Mr. Long.
Robert Taylor testified, That Mr. Long, the Sitting
Member, gave him 1s. and promised to give him Two
Guineas, to procure his Brother to vote for Mr. Long:
That, upon this Promise, he did engage his Brother to
vote for Mr. Long; though his Brother did not design to
vote for Mr. Long before; but afterwards, when he asked
Mr. Long for the Two Guineas, he told him, He knew
nothing of that Matter.
William Taylor, Brother to the said Taylor, testified,
That his Brother had told him of Mr. Long's Promise of
Two Guineas, as was before testified by his Brother; which
caused him to vote for Mr. Long, though he was before
inclined for Sir Bazil: And further said, That Mr. Scot, an
Agent for Mr. Long, offered to lend him 50 l. if he would
vote for Mr. Long; which he refusing to accept of, the
said Mr. Scot promised him Twenty Bushels of Wheat;
but he has not received the Wheat: He said, he was bred
a Shoemaker, but now works by the Day at Husbandry:
He also said, He was refused to be made free, unless he
would vote for Mr. Long.
Oliver Hill testified, That one Tho. Russell, who voted
for Mr. Long, told him, That he had 10 l. to vote for
William Morley testified, That Richard Goddin told
him, That Mr. Long had a Bond upon him, that he should
not fish in certain Waters; and that he delivered him up
the Bond to vote for his Brother, and gave him Leave to
fish: But the Bond was afterwards produced on behalf of
the Sitting Member.
John Stevens testified, That Philip Gage told him,
That Mr. Long, the Sitting Member, gave the said Gage
an Horse of 4 or 5 l. in Value, and 3 l. in Money, to vote
Mr. James Stokes testified, That in September he came
to Chippenham, and asked Tho. Stickle which way he was
inclined; and that the said Stickle answered, He was for
Sir Bazil; but there was 20 l. in the way.
John Cooke testified, That Stickle told him, That if he
could help him to 20 l. due to one of the Long's, he would
vote for Sir Bazil: otherwise they would ruin him.
Walter Bond, a Porter, testified, That Mr. Long, when
he came to Town, sent for him, and desired his Vote,
and gave him Half-a-Crown, and promised to gratify him
further: The said Bond also declared, That he had invited several of the Burgesses, as well on behalf of the
Sitting Member as Sir Bazil; but had received no Money
of Sir Bazil: That he voted for Mr. Long.
Robert Taylor testified, That Mr. Tho. Long went to one
Goody Seryl's, and told her, He heard she would let her
House; and that he would give her more than any body
for it, That, she not being willing to dispose of her House,
Mr. Long called for Ale and sent abroad for Brandy,
which he put into it, and made her drink, and took the
Key out of her Bosom, and Thrust her out of Doors, and
hath kept her out ever since: That Mr. Long afterwards
appointed her Lodgings at the White-hart.
That Henry Lant, who voted for Mr. Long, lay in a
Borough-house one Night only; but the House he lived
in was not a Borough-house.
James Stokes testified, That Wm. Guy was a single Man,
and lived with his Father.
That, for the Sitting-Member, was produced
Elizabeth Light: Who testified, That Mr. Scot, some
time before the Election, met Taylor in her House, and
asked him, If ever he promised the said Tayler Twenty
Bushels of Wheat? That Taylor said, No; and, says
Mr. Scot, Nor never will; nor shall you have any Wheat
Robert Elliott testified, That he was in Company with
Walter Bond, before examined, the next Day after Sir
Basil came to Chippenham; and that he said, Sir Bazil
had given him 40s. and a Silver Tobacco-box to Mr.
Chappell, to be serviceable to him: That he shewed him
Four Half-crowns, and offered to lend him Two; he the
said Bond further saying, That Sir Bazil did not expect
it by Majority, but would make Bribery of it.
Jo. Jones testified, That Bond told him, Mr. Long
gave him the Half-Crowns for inviting the Freemen;
and that Sir Bazil had given him 40s. to buy him
John Browning testified, That he was present when
Gage bought the Horse before mentioned of Mr. Long,
and bargained for 3 l. for it.
Henry Lawrence testified, That John Etwell, one of
the Petitioners, upon Discourse that Mr. Long had more
Votes, said, What then? it was but going to the Parliament-House and telling a few Lyes: And, That he should
get 100 l. if Sir Bazil carried; but get nothing by Mr.
James Ladd testified, That, discoursing with one Willis,
that voted for Sir Bazil, Willis said, That, rather than
Mr. Long should sit in the House of Commons, he would
have somebody go up and say any thing.
William Zaly testified, That Tho. White, who acted for
Sir Bazil Firebrace, came to his House, and pulled out 5 l.
and said, He would give him that Money, if, after he had
voted for Mr. Long, he would say, Mr. Long had bribed
him: Zaly had been Servant to White.
Bently Head testified, That Mr. Ady, one of the Petitioners, came to Thom. Slade's, and said, If Joseph Russ
would be a Witness against Mr. Long, it would be 40s.
and upwards, in his way: And that Chappell, the Petitioner, offered John Gill 10 l. for an Hogshead of Beer,
and after that Rate for Four or Five, if he would vote for
John Gate testified, That Mr. Chappel, the Petitioner,
would have had him go to the Fair, and have bought
some Leather on Sir Bazil's Account; but he refused it:
And Mr. Ady told him, If he owed Money, he would see
And that, upon the whole Matter, the Committee came
to this Resolution:
Resolved, That it is the Opinion of this Committee,
That Richard Long Esquire is duly elected a Burgess to
serve in this present Parliament for the Borough of Chippenham in the County of Wilts.
The said Resolution being read a Second time;
Resolved, That the House doth agree with the Committee in the said Resolution, That Richard Long Esquire
is duly elected a Burgess to serve in this present Parliament
for the Borough of Chippenham in the County of Wilts.
Supply Bill; Land Tax.
The House, according to the Order of the Day, resolved itself into a Committee of the whole House, to
consider further of the Bill for granting to his Majesty an
Aid of Four Shillings in the Pound, for One Year, for
carrying on the War against France with Vigour.
Mr. Speaker lest the Chair.
Sir Thomas Littleton took the Chair of the Committee.
Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.
Sir Thomas Littleton reported from the said Committee,
That they had made a further Progress in the Bill to them
committed; and had directed him to move, That they
may have Leave to sit again.
Resolved, That this House will, upon Wednesday Morning next, at Eleven a Clock, resolve itself into a Committee of the whole House, to consider further of the said
Ordered, That all Committees be adjourned.
And then the House adjourned till Monday Morning,
Nine a Clock.