House of Commons Journal Volume 2
22 October 1641

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 22 October 1641', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 2: 1640-1643 (1802), pp. 292-293. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=3967 Date accessed: 23 July 2014.


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Die Veneris, 22 Oct. 1641.

PRAYERS.

Privilege-Scandalous Words.

DIVERS Examinations of one Wm. Moore, and others, charging the said Moore with very scandalous and contemptuous Words, spoken by him against the Parliament, were read:

And it is Ordered, upon the Question, That the said Wm. Moore shall be forthwith sent for, as a Delinquent, by the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House, to answer the Words so charged upon him as aforesaid.

Charge against the Bishops.

Mr. Hollis is appointed to go up to the Lords with this Message;

To desire of their Lordships a speedy Proceeding in the Charge, that was long since sent from this House to their Lordships, against the Thirteen Bishops, that made the last new Canons.

Wool, &c. Trade.

Ordered, That the House be resolved into a Committee, on Wednesday next at Ten of Clock, to debate the Two Particulars, concerning the Trade of Wool, and Currans.

Answer from Lords.

Mr. Hollis brings Answer, that the Lords will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Clergy's Temporal Jurisdiction.

Ordered, That the House be resolved into a Committee to consider of the Bill, intituled, An Act for disabling all Persons in Holy Orders, to exercise any Temporal Jurisdiction, or Authority.

Mr. Speaker left the Chair.

Mr. Glyn was called to the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Charge against the Bishops.

A Message from the Lords, by J. Heath and J. Mallett;

The Lords have taken the late Message from this House into consideration, concerning the Charge against the Bishops; and that, before the late Recess, they gave the Bishops a Day to put in their Answer to the said Charge of this House: It fell out, that That Day was near the Recess: They therefore gave them another Day; which was to the Tenth of Nov. Which Day they resolve shall be peremptorily to them: And they do then intend to proceed with all Expedition.

Clergy's Temporal Jurisdiction.

The House was again resolved into a Committee, to consider of the Bill prohibiting all Persons in Holy Orders to exercise any Temporal Jurisdiction, &c.: And

Mr. Glyn was again called to the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Army Affairs.

A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Ayloff and Serjeant Glanville;

The Lords do desire, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House, that they may have a present Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, in the Painted Chamber, concerning a Relation that is to be made by the Earl of Holland, touching the late Army in the North.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Answer to this Message shall be; that the House will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and, by reason they are now in Debate of a very weighty Business, they will send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Clergy's Temporal Jurisdiction.

Mr. Speaker left the Chair.

Mr. Glyn was again called to the Chair.

And the Committee fell into Debate of the Bill prohibiting all Persons in Holy Orders to exercise Temporal Jurisdiction.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Letter to Committee in Scotland.

Mr. Pym reports from the Committee that was appointed to meet with the Committee of the Lords, the Letter, and Instructions, that is to be sent to the Committee of Parliament in Scotland: The which Letter and Instructions were particularly read; and put to the Question; and, upon the Question, assented unto; and ordered to be fairly written and ingrossed, for Mr Speaker's Hand: And Mr. Pym was desired to prepare a Letter, to be sent to Sir Mich. Erneley, in Answer of his Letter of the 15th of Oct.; and to present it to the House.

Clergy's Temporal Jurisdiction.

Mr. Speaker left the Chair: And

Mr. Glyn was called to the Chair.

And the Committee resumed the Debate of the Bill prohibiting all Persons in Holy Orders to exercise any Temporal Jurisdiction, &c.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Mr. Glyn reports from the Committee the Bill, intituled, An Act prohibiting all Persons in Holy Orders, to exercise any Regal Jurisdiction or Authority, with the Alterations and Amendments: The which Alterations and Amendments were twice read, and reported by Mr. Speaker: And then the Bill, with the Alterations and Amendments, were put to the Question; and, upon the Question, ordered to be ingrossed, against To-morrow Morning; and to be read To-morrow at Ten of Clock.

Letter read, &c.

Mr. Pym reports the Letter that he was desired to present to the House: The which was read; and ordered to be fair ingrossed, and signed by Mr. Speaker.

Petitions from Ireland.

There were this Day Three Petitions presented to the House, by Sir John Clotworthy:

1. The humble Petition of several the Protestants inhabiting and now residing in and about the City of Dublin, and in some few Parishes within the Diocese of Laughlin and Fernes, in the Realm of Ireland:

2. The humble Petition of several Protestants, inhabiting in some few Parishes within the several Dioceses of Meath, Killmore, and Clogher, in the Realm of Ireland, on the behalf of themselves, and many hundred Persons more:

3. The humble Petition of several Inhabitants within the Parish of St. Katharin's, Dublin, in Ireland, whose Names are subscribed.

And it is Ordered, That these Three Petitions shall be taken into Consideration, when the publick and pressing Affairs of the House are over.

Letter to Vaine.

Ordered, That Mr. Speaker do write a Letter unto Mr. Secretary Vaine; that if in case the Committee of both Houses be come out of Scotland, before the Letters and Instructions, now to be sent, can be delivered there unto them, that then he shall be desired, by this House, to present the same unto his Majesty: And Mr. Pym is ordered to draw this Letter.

Letter to Committee in Scotland.

THE Advertisement which you have given, in your Letters of the 14th of this Month, concerning the Design against the Persons of the Lord Marquis Hamilton, the Earls of Argile and Lanerick, hath been communicated to both Houses; who do very much commend your Wisdom and Diligence, in sending them timely Notice of an Accident of such great consequence to the Peace both of this and that Kingdom: And do give you Thanks for your Care therein: And I am to let you know, that we have received no other publick Intelligence thereof: Where fore the Desire of both Houses, is, that so long as you stay there, you continue to inform the Houses of Parliament of the further Proceedings in this Matter, and such other Accidents, as may any Way concern the Safety of both Kingdoms: And thereupon they have thought good to make a further Addition to your former Instructions, touching some things, which they conceive fit to be represented to his Majesty, from the Lords and Commons of his Parliament here, as you may perceive by the Inclosed, which I am commanded to send you, and to commend to your Care and Wisdom; not doubting but you will herein fully answer their Expectation and Confidence: And, for the Performance hereof, their Pleasure is, that you shall continue there, to wait upon his Majesty, till you receive further Direction, or that his Majesty be pleased to come away for England.

Instructions to Committee in Scotland.

INSTRUCTIONS of the Lords and Commons in Parliament, to the Committees of both Houses, now attending his Royal Majesty in Scotland.

1. You shall acquaint his Majesty, that, by your Advertisement, both Houses have taken notice of the Examinations and Confessions, taken in the Parliament of Scotland, concerning a malicious Design and Attempt, affirmed to be undertaken by the Earl of Craford, and others, against the Persons of the Marquis of Hamilton, the Earls of Argile and Lanerick; and having taken the same into Consideration, they have good Cause to doubt, that such ill-affected Persons, as would disturb the Peace of that Kingdom, are not without some malicious Correspondence here; which, if these wicked Purposes had taken effect in Scotland, would have been ready to attempt some such mischievous Practices, as might produce Distempers and Confusions in this Kingdom, to the Hazard of the publick Peace: For Prevention whereof, they have given Order for strong Guards in the Cities of London and Westminster: And have resolved to take into their Care the Security of the rest of the Kingdom.

2. You shall further declare to his most Excellent Majesty, that the States of his Parliament here do hold it a Matter of great Importance to this Kingdom, that the Religion, Liberty, and Peace, of Scotland be preserved, according to the Treaty, and Articles, agreed by his Majesty, and confirmed by Act of Parliament; of which they are bound to be careful, not only by publick Faith in that Treaty, but likewise by the Duty which they owe to his Majesty and this Kingdom; because they hold it will be a great Means of preserving Religion, Liberty, and Peace, in England, Ireland, and his Majesty's other Dominions; and the Union of all his loyal Subjects, in maintaining the common Good of all, will be a sure Foundation of Honour, Greatness, and Security, to his Royal Person, Crown, and Dignity: Wherefore they have resolved to employ their humble and faithful Advice to his Majesty, the Power and Authority of Parliament, and of this Kingdom, for Suppressing of all such as, by any Conspiracy, Practice, or other Attempts, shall endeavour to disturb the Peace of Scotland; and to infringe the Articles, and the Treaty, made betwixt the Two Kingdoms.

3. You shall likewise inform the King, that whereas Orders have been given by his Majesty, with Consent of Parliament, for the Disbanding of the Garisons of Carlisle and Berwick; the first whereof is already wholly disbanded, and all the Horse, and Eight Companies of Foot, sent out of Berwick, and only Five Companies remaining, which likewise should have been discharged, at or before the 15th of this Month, if they had not been stayed by his Majesty's Command, signified by Mr. Treasurer Vane to Sir Michael Earnly Lieutenant Governor, according to Direction in that Behalf; and whereas, by Order of Parliament, Six Ships have been sent for the Transporting of his Majesty's Munition, Ordnance, and other Provision, in that Town, and in the Holy Island; all which have been of very great Charge to the Commonwealth: The Commons, now assembled in Parliament, have declared, that they intend to be at no further Charge for the longer Stay and Entertainment of those Men; or for the Demurrage of the Ships, if, by the Occasion of this Direction, they be kept out longer than was agreed upon.