House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 11 May 1610

Veneris, 11 Maii

Bp. of Derry's Nat.

L. 2. - BISHOP of Derry - Nat. - Referred to the Committees -

Oaths, &c.

L. 1. Men naturalized to take the Oaths, &c.

Fees.

L. 1. B. Touching Manifest' of Fees of Officers in Courts, &c.

Highways.

Sir Tho. Beamount, Sir Dudley Diggs, Sir John Savill, . . . Edw. Ferrers, added to the Bill of Highways, upon Mr. Hare's Motion.

Bastards.

L. 1. - Punishment of Parents of Bastard, &c.

Ecclesiastical Grievances.

Sir Fr. Hastings reporteth the Form of the ecclesiastical Grievances, being re-committed. - An Inducement made unto them, - To be presented by way of Petition.

Grievances - Message from the King.

The Grievances called for.

Mr. Speaker from the King: -

His Majesty having taken into Consideration Proceeding of One Particular touching Impositions : - If too high ; inconvenient, for the Time or the Rate: - If to dispute his Right, or his Prerogative; that a Judgment given in it. -

As in D. Cowell's Book, it proceeded of his Care.- -

If any Error, a Course for it in higher Courts. - In this Place no Judges to determine it. -

That in a judicial Course we may proceed to examine.

Mr. Wentworth: - That it is not his Majesty's Meaning, that we should not consider what is fit to be done.

Mr. Hoskins, Mr. Fuller, Mr. James: - A long Speech touching the Ease, Proclamations, Monopolies, Restraints by Council's Letters.

Sir Dudley Diggs; - Praeter legem tacite, but now contra legem.

Sir Fr. Hastings: - Est tempus aliquid nihil - non omnia quovis tempore. - For a Committee.

Sir Wm. Twysden moved, to know from whence Mr Speaker had the Message; whether from the King, or some second Person.

Sir Wm. Cope urgeth it; Mr. Speaker excuseth it.

Sir Edw. Mountague, - for Precedent. - Seeing the King out of Town, either by Letter, or from some great Person.

Mr. Speaker: - 56. or 58. Message from the King, since the Beginning. - No Precedent, that ever any Speaker was pressed.

Sir Herbert Crofts: - That it hath grown into too much Custom, that the Speaker should bring any Message from the King, but when he was sent by the House.

Sir Wm. Twysden: - That Mr. Speaker is not to go to the King, but by Leave; - Not to deliver any Message singly, and simply.

23 Eliz. Mr. Popham, Speaker: 8 Eliz. Mr. Onslowe. - Concluded, that he was not the Messenger from the Queen. -

The Speaker not to go without Company, nor to deliver a Message singly.

Sir Geo. Moore: - One of the Petitions, to have Access at convenient Times, and with convenient Number. -

Doubts, we may call his Majesty's Proceeding in Question.

Mr. Martin : - That Mr. Speaker may deliver it, from what Person: - great Person, Letter, or otherwise.

Sir John Hollis: - That it may be delivered, from whom.

Mr. Speaker: - That he did receive this Message from the Body of the Council, not from any particular Man.

Mr. Hoskins : - What to be committed. -

How far to treat of Impositions.

How far our Speaker may deliver from the King, or to the King from us.

Sir Edw. Mountague: - No Lords Mediators or Messengers ; therefore to stay till the King come, and to know his Pleasure. - Recorded, That this Manner of receiving a Message from the Body of the Council, by the Speaker, should be no Precedent hereafter.

Sir Roger Owen: - The Committee for Privileges to pen this Order. - To-morrow * *

Sir John Savill: - That no such * *

Sir Fr. Hastings remembereth the Precedents of -

Sending Messages by our Messengers, from the Lords, referred.

A Member's Wages.

Moved by Mr. Speaker, from the Town of Arundell.

Touching Mr. Teye's Wages, for Arundell, to be referred to the Committee for Privileges.

Proclamations.

8. Proclamations, from Re-commitment, reported by Sir Edwyn Sandys; read, and resolved, upon Question.

The Catalogue of Proclamations read; and upon Question, to be annexed.

Grievances.

Sir Herbert Crofts.:- That some might be named, to sort the Grievances, and to pen some Inducements or Preambles. -

Sir Herbert Crofts, Sir Edwyn Sandys, Mr. Solicitor, Mr. Wentworth, Mr. Recorder, Sir Wm. Burlacy, Sir Edw. Conway, Sir H. Nevill, Sir Maurice Berkley, Sir Dudley Diggs, Sir Jerome Horsey, Mr. Nanton, Mr. Fuller, Sir Fr. Hastings, Sir Roger Owen.