House of Commons Journal Volume 1: 05 April 1624

Journal of the House of Commons: Volume 1, 1547-1629. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1802.

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Lunae, 5 Aprilis, 1624

Ly. Jermy.

L. 1. LADY Jermy her Bill.

Sir A. Ager.

L. 1. Sir Antho. Ager's Bill.

Ld. Mountacue's Estate.

L. 2. Viscount Mountacue his Bill: - Committed to Sir Edw. Cooke, Sir Geo. Moore, Sir Hen. Poole, Sir Jo. Walter, Mr. Recorder, Mr. R. Spencer, Sir Guy Palmes, Lord Writhley, Mr. Edw. Mountacue, Serjeant Hicham, Sir Rich. Harrison, Lord Lisle, Sir Cha. Mountacue, Sir Geo. Manners, Mr. Alford, Sir Jo. Cuts, Sir Hen. Spiller, Sir Edw. Peyton, Sir Tho. Firefax, Mr. Noy, Sir Tho. Estcourt, Sir Geo. Darcy, Sir An. Forrest, Mr. Bouyer, Sir Jo. Ratcliffe, Mr. Louther, Sir Tho. Lucy: - Thursday, Two Clock, Court of Wards.

Oxford.

All, that come, to have Voice in the Bill of Oxford: - This Afternoon.

Sir Tho. Wentworth, Mr. Cooke, Mr. Alford, Sir Ben. Ridiard- -

Sutton's Hospital.

Sutton's Hospital: - Wednesday, Two Clock, former Place.

Mohun's Estate.

Sir Geo. Chudleigh reports Sir Reinold Mohun's Bill. -

Some Alterations made: Which were twice read. -

Mr. Noy: - One Clause makes void Grants made since the first Year of the King, indefinitely ; which will be very inconvenient. - To let them have a Time to produce their Deeds, and avow them. -

Re-committed. Mr. Noy, Sir Jo. Walter, Sir Guy Palmes, Mr. Ducke, added to the Committee: - Wednesday, Court of Wards.

Tobacco.

Bill of Spanish Tobacco, to be looked up.

Holdernes.

L. 3. - Holdernes : - Upon Question, passed for a Law.

Ld. Treasurer [Earl of Middlesex.]

Sir Miles Fleetwood desires this House to read a short Note concerning the King's Revenue. -

Octo. Twelve-month, Lord Treasurer obtained a Declaration, that nothing should pass, concerning the Revenue, without his Privity. - An unprecedented Power. - Can produce Three or Four great Bribes which that great Lord hath taken ; which he shall not be able to excuse, or deny.

Sir Edw. Gyles: - Confident, that this gives a great deal of Comfort to all here; because upon good Grounds, coming from One that is an Officer with him. - To have him put in his Note.

The Note, delivered in by Sir Miles Fleetwood, read.

Sir Will. Boulstred: - To have a select Committee chosen, to examine these Businesses.

Sir Tho Hoby: - To have it referred to the Committee of Grievances.

Sir James Perrot: - To have him have a Copy of it.

Chancellor Exchequer: - Although an Officer of the Revenue, that he honours the Gentleman that preferred this. - Till these proved - Agrees, to have him have a Particular of his Charge; that he may make his Answer.

Mr. Noy: - To have him have a Particular of all.

Sir M. Fleetwood: - For the Bribes, may be some Persons to be used, that not so readily had. - To have the Speaker, by a Warrant, send for such, as out of Town.

Speaker Power given him, from the House, to send his Warrant for them, upon his particular Naming of them to him.

Mr. Recorder: - To tell the Number of the Men, although not the Names.

Sir Tho. Jermyn: - To have this Complaint exhibited to the Committee of Grievances, and Courts of Justice ; and to have the Lord Treasurer have a Copy of his Charge.

Sir Rob. Philips: - These Ways propounded, not fit for his Honour. This House desires to hasten the Business all that may. - To nominate speedily a select Committee, to take both Propositions into Consideration; and then to present it to the House.

Sir Edw. Cooke: - Indecens est, et malitiam sapit,magnos officiarios pro parvis delictis in judicium trahere; but this no small Matter, if it be true : Concerns the Seminary of the Kingdom. If that Fountain corrupt, not only hinders the King, but the Subject. But as for the sordid Bribery ; that such a Thing as ever goes with Perjury. - Expresly against his Oath. - For the Course; long versed in these Things, si mens non leva fuisset. - Well resolved, not to discover yet the Witnesses Names. - To have any select Committee, directly against that. - This a Grievance of Grievances. - Agrees, that they that have Spirit to complain, may do it to either Committees. Never knew a Subject have a Stamp. - To have Sir M. Fleetwood set down those Bribes spoken of.

Sir Hen. Poole: - Not fit to have a private Committee. To proceed against the Secretary, to be charged, as well as his Lord.

Sir Geor. Moore: - This great Charge deserves a due Examination. Matters of Money ever carry Jealousy in those that have the Managing of them. - To have the same Course taken as the last Parliament. - A general Committee of the whole House. - To have a convenient Time given, as well to him, as to others, that are to charge him.

Sir Edwyn Sandys: - An ancient Rule, every Man is presumed to be innocent, till he be proved otherwise. This will fly over all the Town, and receive divers Constructions : - Therefore to proceed to examine it with all Expedition. - Most proper for the Committee of Grievances. - No Question of false Judgment. - Never heard, that an Officer should make a Stamp, without an Act of Parliament. - To have a Note sent to the Treasurer, and desire him, that some body, from him, may attend the Committee this Afternoon.

Sir Geo. Chudleigh: - To let slip no Opportunity. - Whosoever is guilty, knows the Witnesses. - That these may not be wrought. As soon as they come to Town, to have them brought.

Ordered, That the whole Charge [a] concerning my Lord Treasurer, shall be heard at the Committee of Grievances this Afternoon; and that the Speaker send his Warrant for such Witnesses, as Sir Miles Fleetwood shall privately nominate unto him.

Statutes.

The Speaker went out of his Chair, and the House fell to a Committee about the Continuance of Statutes.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords, by Serjeant Finch, and Serjeant Crooke: -

The Lords signify to us, that they have taken into Consideration our Petition ; and that they hope, Tomorrow, to send us word about a Meeting, and Conference, about that Business.