House of Commons Journal Volume 2
03 October 1642

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 03 October 1642', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 2: 1640-1643 (1802), pp. 790-792. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=5079 Date accessed: 23 October 2014.


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Die Lunæ, 3 Octobris, 1642.

PRAYERS.

Relief of Colerane.

ORDERED, That the Monies collected in the Parishes of London, and the Suburbs, at the Three next Fasts, allotted for the Relief of Colerane, be paid unto Michael Beresford and Griffin Haward, Agents of the said Town of Colerane, or either of them: And that the said Michael Beresford and Griffin Haward do give an Account to the Committee for Irish Affairs, what Monies they receive by virtue of the said Order.

Distressed Protestants.

Ordered, That the Committee for Contributions do meet this Afternoon: And that they consider of the Petition presented to this House, concerning the many distressed poor Protestants; and report to the House what they think ... to be done upon it; and upon all other Petitions of the like Nature.

Victory in Ireland.

A Letter from Colonel Charles Vavasor, of the 13th of September, relating the great Victory obtained by the Lord Inchequin: And

It is Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for Irish Affairs: And that the particular Desires of Colonel Vavasor be referred to the said Committee.

Person committed.

A Letter from Sir Edw. Hungerford, concerning the Taking of Mr. James Goodwyn, was read: And

It is Ordered, That he be forthwith committed Prisoner to the Gatehouse, there to remain during the Pleasure of the House.

Wapping &c. Petition.

Ordered, That the humble Petition of the Constables and Headboroughs of the Hamlets of Wapping and EastSmythfield, in the County of Middlesex, be referred to the Committee of Stepney for the whole Business: Who are appointed to sit on Friday next in the Afternoon; and to receive all Informations concerning that Place.

Affairs in Cornewall.

A Letter from Mr. Alexander Carew of the 5th of September, and from one Mr. Willcocks of the 29th of September, concerning the Coming of Sir Ralph Hopton, and the rest of the Sommersett Cavaliers, to Bodmyn, in Cornewall, were this Day read; and delivered to Mr. Waddon, to be delivered to the Committee for the Safety of the Kingdom.

Distressed Ministers.

Ordered, That a Conference be desired with the Lords, concerning an Order made in their House of the Twentyseventh of September, for Disposing of the Monies to be collected at the next Fast in the City of Westminster, and Suburbs of London, to Twenty distressed Ministers: and that no Monies appointed to be paid by virtue of this Order, be issued out, until the Conference be had, and farther Order taken therein.

Affairs at Worcester.

A Letter from the Lord General, from Worcester, to Mr. Pym, of the 29th of September, concerning the Business at Worcester, and concerning some Insolencies and Pillagings committed, though restrained as much as may be, and severely punished, by the Lord General's Directions; was this Day read.

Letters from Ld. General.

A Message from the Lords, by Dr. Aylett and Dr. Heath;

The Lords desire a Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, presently, in the painted Chamber, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House; to communicate some Letters they have received from the Lord General.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has considered their Lordships Message; and will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

Naval Affairs.

Mr. Pym reports, That the Earl of Warwick's Vice Admiral, whom he had sent with Five Ships to reduce the Bonaventure and the Swallow, had summoned them; and, upon the Summons, that they yielded themselves; and that they were Masters, and had in their Possession both the Ships, and the Provisions and Equipage, only Captain Stradling had quitted his Ship, and was escaped.

King's Answer to Petition, &c.

Mr. Pym, Mr. Glyn, Mr. Solicitor, Sir H. Vane junior, are appointed Reporters of this Conference.

Mr. Pym presents from the Conference with the Lords, a Letter from the Lord General, concerning his Sending to his Majesty concerning the presenting the Petition from both Houses: His Majesty's Answer, returned by the Earl of Dorsett's Letter: And the Copy of my Lord General's Letter to the Earl of Dorsett; to acquaint his Majesty with the Petition he had from both Houses to present unto his Majesty. The which were all read.

The Lords did observe, that One Clause in his Majesty's Answer, viz. "That his Ears should never be shut against the Petitions from both Houses of Parliament, so it be brought by none of those he hath by Name accused of High Treason," is very full of Ambiguity, and of Exception and Restraint dishonourable to the Parliament, and very worthy of Consideration.

The House fell into Debate of the Business: And, after some Debate;

It was Resolved, upon the Question, That it doth not stand with the Honour and Privilege of Parliament, that a Petition from both Houses should be delivered to his Majesty with any such Restraint or Exception, mentioned in the Earl of Dorsett's Letter.

Resolved, That the Lord General shall signify unto his Majesty, by such Means as he shall think fit, the Resolution of both Houses concerning the Delivery of the Petition.

Message to Lords.

Mr. Ro. Goodwyn went up to the Lords, to desire them to sit awhile.

He likewise carried up the Vote concerning Mr. Man of Canterbury, to be a Deputy Lieutenant for Kent: The Order for Powder to be sent into Ireland: The Order concerning Captain Badnage: The Order concerning the Guards to attend the Parliament.

Ld. General's Instructions, &c.

That the Lord General shall be desired to proceed according to his former Instructions, in such Manner as in his own Judgment he shall think fittest, and most advantageous for the Service.

Resolved, That it shall be referred to the Committee for the Safety of the Kingdom, to send the Resolutions to the Lord General: And that the Lord General shall have Thanks returned, for his great Care and Pains taken in this Service, and all other Services of the Commonwealth.

Sir Ro. Harley went up to the Lords, to desire a free Conference, concerning the Matter of the last Conference.

Ld. General's Instructions, &c.

Resolved, That Serjeant Wilde and Mr. Nash shall be sent down into Worcestershire, to attend the Lord General for his Directions: And are likewise to carry with them the Instructions, and the Propositions, to put them in Execution, as they shall see Occasion.

Resolved, That Sir Ro. Harley.... shall be sent down into the Country, to attend the Lord General for his Directions: And are likewise to carry with them the Instructions, and the Propositions; and to put them in Execution, as they shall see Cause.

Resolved, That Sir Jo. Corbett and Mr. Rich. Moore shall be sent down into the Country, to attend the Lord General for his Directions: And are likewise to carry with them the Instructions, and the Propositions; and to put them in Execution, as they shall see Occasion.

Conference.

Sir Ro. Harley brings Answer, That the Lords will give a present Meeting, at a free Conference, as is desired.

Mr. Pym is appointed to manage this Conference.

Mr. Ro. Goodwyn brings Answer, That the Lords do agree to all the Orders carried up by him; and to sit awhile.

House to sit.

Ordered, That this House shall sit this Afternoon at Four of Clock.

Lords desired to sit.

Sir Ro. Harley is appointed to go to the Lords, to acquaint their Lordships, that this House intends to sit this Afternoon, at Four of Clock; and to desire their Lordships to do the like.

Payment for Printing.

Mr. Wheeler reports the Account of Usbands and Franck, Printers, for several Parcels which they have printed by Orders of the House: And there appears to be due unto them, upon the Foot of their Account, Three hundred and Thirty-five Pounds Seventeen Shillings and Four Pence:

Which the House doth allow; and doth Order, That they shall receive, towards their Satisfaction, Two hundred and Eighty Pounds Nine Shillings and Two Pence, formerly reported by Mr. Wheeler to be due from the Treasurers of the Three Subsidies, and Three Fifteens, granted 21° Jac. [a]: And that it be referred to Mr, Wheeler to consider how the Residue due unto them, with convenient Speed, may be paid.

Letter in behalf of Nanfan.

Mr. Serjeant Wilde presented a Letter to the House on the Behalf of Mr. Jo. Nanfan, a Commissioner of Array in the County of Worcester: And the farther Consideration of the Person, and the Letter is respited, until Mr. Serjeant Wilde do farther certify the House of the good Affections of the said Mr. Nanfan to the Commonwealth.

Lords to sit.

Sir Ro. Harley brings Answer, That the Lords will sit at Four of Clock, as is desired.

Message from Lords.

A Message from the Lords by Dr. Aylett and Dr. Heath;

The Lords desire, with all Conveniency, an Answer to the late Conference which they had touching his Majesty's Speech and Protestation in the Head of the Army.

They do likewise agree to the Instructions concerning Essex.

Affairs in Yorkeshire.

A Letter from the Lord Fairefax, and other the Deputy Lieutenants of that County; and the Articles of the Pacification, concluded at Leedes, the 29th of September, 1642; and a Letter from * * to Mr. Hotham at Doncaster; and Mr. Rushworth's Letter from Doncaster, of the primo Octobris; and a Letter from Mr. Hotham and Sir Edw. Rodes of the 1st of October, desiring to be informed what shall be done upon the Articles of Pacification; and desiring some Instructions to be sent unto them.

That it be referred to the Committee for the Safety of the Kingdom, to consider what is fit to be returned in Answer to the Letters from Yorkeshire, and the Articles of Pacification, upon the whole Matter of them; and to present it to the House at Four of Clock.

Thanks to Holland.

Ordered, That Mr. Pym shall return to Mr. Strickland, in Holland, a Duplicate of the last Thanks returned from both Houses to the States of Holland.

Arms seized.

Ordered, That the Mayor of Colchester do take into his Custody the Arms seized at the Countess Rivers' House, and now laid up in Mr. Grimston's; and take Order, that they be safely laid up.

Raising Horses.

It is Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament, That such Persons as will advance Horses and Arms, towards the Furnishing of the Thousand Dragooners, mentioned in an Order of both Houses of Parliament, made the 29th of September last, shall have the publick Faith for their Security for the Prices thereof; with such other Recompence as the Subscribers of the Sixteen thousand Pounds, mentioned in the same Order, are to have: And that Mr. Maximilian Beard, and others already appointed for buying Horses for the said Thousand Dragooners, or any Three of them, shall be Persons appointed for the Valuing and Prizing of the said Horses and Arms, so to be advanced: And the Horses are to be brought to Moorefeilds, there to be viewed and prized.

Parliament Guards.

Ordered, by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled, That the Sheriffs of London and Middlesex be hereby required to send One Company of the Trained Bands of the City of London and Middlesex, to attend both Houses of Parliament every Day, under the Conduct and Command of Serjeant Major General Skippon; and so to continue, till the said Houses shall take farther * therein: And hereof they may not fail.

Post Meridiem

Affairs in Lancashire.

DIVERS Letters from Cheshire and Lancashire, of the Siege of Manchester by the Lord Strange, were this Day read: And

It is Ordered, That these Letters, and the State of the Business of Lancashire, be referred to the Committee of the Safety of the Kingdom: And that Captain Ven do recommend this Business of Lancashire to the Committee at London, to desire them to expedite their Levies of Dragoons.

Ordered, That the Deputy Lieutenants of the County of Lancaster shall take Care that the Prisoners taken at Manchester, and thereabouts, be either Committed to Prison, or sent up to the Parliament, as they shall think most convenient.

Order amended.

Ordered, That in the Order for Plundering, of the of September, "Parks" shall be included.

Yorke Committee, &c.

Resolved, That Mr. Hotham and Sir Edw. Rodes, and other the Committees for Raising of Money, Plate, and Horse, for the Defence of the King and Kingdom, in the County of Yorke, or any Two of them, and such as they shall nominate, shall be Commissioners for the Advancing and Raising of Monies, Horse, and Plate, upon the Propositions; and shall have Power to appoint Commissaries to value the Horse, and Treasurers to receive the Monies and Plate.

Ditto.

Resolved, That Mr. Hotham and Sir Edw. Rodes, &c. shall have the like Instructions as other Counties; with this Addition, that they shall have Power to seize * apprehend all Delinquents so voted by the Parliament; and all such others, as Delinquents, as have or shall shew themselves opposite and disobedient to the Orders and Proceedings of *

That the Fourth Article of the Lord General's Instructions shall be extracted, and sent to Mr. Hotham, &c. with Power to them to publish it.

Collector of Money.

Ordered, That it be referred to Sir Norton Knatchbull, Sir Edw. Partheriche, and Mr. *, to prepare an Order for the Discharge of James Penfold, High Collector of the Lath of Shepway in Kent, for the Payment of Six hundred Pounds, paid upon Order of the Committee for the Defence of the Kingdom; being Part of the Money raised in that Lath, upon the first Payment of the Forty thousand Pounds Bill.

Affairs in Sommersett.

Ordered, That To-morrow Morning Sir Walth. Erle do make Report of the Passages in Sommersettshire.

Footnotes

a The Sum reported was Two hundred Thirty Pounds Nineteen Shillings and Two-pence Three-farthings.