Die Mercurii, 16 Martii, 1641.
Leave of Absence.
RESOLVED, upon the Question, That Mr. Ashton
shall have Leave to go into the Country.
Resolved, upon the Question, That Mr. Bridgman
shall have Leave to go into the Country.
Call of the House.
Resolved, upon the Question, That the House shall,
be called To-morrow-come Sevennight.
The Witnesses that found a Letter the other Night
in the Court House, the which was Yesterday read in
the House, were called in: And Simon Richardson spoke
"That on Tuesday Night, he being One of the Watch
that, with others, were appointed to watch at the Parliament Stairs, they came into the Court House, to see
if all were safe there; and as he came back, he found
this Letter now shewed unto him: And afterwards, he,
with others, went to the Feathers Tavern, and would have
had the Boy there to read the Superscription; which he
could not; Then I broke it open; and the Constable,
the Master of that Tavern, took it from me, and it was
carried into the House; but they would not let us hear
it read: Then the Constable took the Names of Four or
Five of us, that were at the Sight of breaking it open."
Jo. Harford, a Constable saith, "That he appointed
these Watchmen to keep Watch about the Parliament
Stairs that Night; and, going thither, found not the
Watch there:- Met them afterwards at the Feathers;
and I chid them, and they excused it, saying, They had
found a Letter; and that Mistress Rosbury, the other
Constable's Wife, had it; and I afterward" * * * *
Ordered, That the Committee for the Merchant
Adventurers, where Mr. Whittlock has the Chair, be
revived; and do sit To-morrow, at Eight of Clock, in
Arms at Hull.
Ordered, That the Master of the Ordnance be desired
to send some Workmen to Hull, to dress the Arms there,
and to make them serviceable.
Information against the Sheriff of Northampton.
Peter Lord of the Parish of Welby, and John James
of Barten, of the County of Northampton, were called in;
touching a Warrant, received from the High Sheriff, for
publishing of a Book, containing all Petitions and Messages from the Parliament, and his Majesty's several and
respective Answers to the same, concerning the Militia:
And Peter Lord said, That, having on Saturday last,
received such a Warrant, he repaired on Monday to the
High Sheriff; and told him, " I came to know his Mind
about it: Said he, Have not you published it? I will send
you to the Gaol:- You are to publish it in the Church,
and to every one of the Inhabitants of the Town:- Have
not you the Book; the King's Hand, Charles Rex; and
my Hand, William Wilmore, High-Sheriff?- This is to
hinder the Militia, That is the End of it.- You go contrary to all Men; and think yourself wiser than others.-
The King must be obeyed, for all the Parliament. Then
I told him, I durst not publish it without Consent of
Parliament. He said, I must do it."
Then John James, being examined, said. He was
present when all this, informed of by Peter Lord, was
spoken by the High Sheriff; and can testify the Truth
thereof: And saith farther, That the High Sheriff did
check him for not causing the Book to be read.
Sir Christ. Yelverton, Mr. Hollis, Mr. Strode, Sir
H. Vane junior, are appointed to withdraw forthwith, to
examine Peter Lord and John James; and to report their
Examinations to the House.
Call of the House.
Resolved, upon the Question, That To-morrow, at
One of Clock, the House shall be called.
Ordered, That the House shall proceed to the Receiv-ing and Reading the Deputy Lieutenants, To-morrow,
at One of Clock.
Rebellion in Ireland.
Ordered, That the Remonstrance of the State of the
Rebellion in Ireland, and of the Causes and Proceedings
thereupon, presented by Doctor Jones, be referred to
the Committee appointed to prepare the Declaration,
for them to make use of; and then that it be published
in Print; and that the Letter of the Lords Justices,
concerning that Remonstrance, be likewise printed.
Relief of English in Dublin.
Ordered, That the Two hundred Pounds, taken up in
Ireland upon Sir John Temple's Bond, and Sir Robert
Meredith, for the Relief of the poor English in Dublyn,
be paid to Dr. Temple of Battersey, out of the First
Moneys that shall come in upon the Act of Contribution,
according to the Desires and Directions of the Lords
Justices: And that the Lords be desired to join with
this House in it.
Mr. Rowse is to carry up this Order.
He is likewise to carry up the Orders concerning the
Countess of Kildare; and Sir Tho. Stapley; and to desire
their Lordships Concurrence therein.
Persons from Ireland.
Mr. Glyn, Mr. Whittlock, Mr. Prideaux, Mr. Whit-tacre, are appointed presently to withdraw, to prepare
an Order for preventing of the Irish to come over into
England; and for sending such back into Ireland as are
come over hither.
The House being informed, that divers Gentlemen, &c.
of the County of Bedford were at the Door, and desired
to present a Petition;
They were called in; and presented One directed to
this House; and another directed to the Lords, of which
they desired the Approbation of this House.
Which when they had done, they withdrew.
And the Petitions were read;
Resolved, That Mr. Speaker shall take particular
Notice, and give them particular Thanks, of their Desire
of the King's Return; and of their Desire concerning the
speedy putting into Execution the Ordinance touching
The Gentlemen were again called in again: And Mr.
Speaker told them, "That their Petition was full, not
only of general Care, and Respect to the Public....;
for which he gave them Thanks; and likewise for the
Two Particulars concerning the King's coming to Town;
and the Militia: And as for their Petition to the Lords,
the House doth fully approve of it."
Ordered, That these Petitions be entered in the Journals
of this House.
Message from the King.
A Message from the Lords, by Sir Edw. Leech and
The Lords desire a free Conference, by Committees
of both Houses, concerning a Message this Day received
from the King, touching the Privileges of Parliament,
and the Safety of the Kingdoms of England and Ireland,
presently, in the Painted Chamber, if it may stand with
the Conveniency of this House.-
The House being informed that divers Gentlemen
and others of the County of Cambridge, and the Town
of Cambridge, were at the Door, who desired to present
their Petition to the House;
They were called in; and did present their Petition
to this House; and One directed to the House of Lords,
of which they desired the Approbation of this House.
And their Petitions were read.
And then they were called in again: And Mr. Speaker
told the Gentlemen of the County and of the Town of
Cambridge, "They find in them a Care for the Publick,
and of Respect to this House; for which they return
them Thanks; and do very well approve of the Petition
to the Lords."
Then Mr. Speaker told the Gentlemen of Cambridge
Town, "That as to the Particular concerning a Lecturer,
that when they shall nominate one to the House, That
they hold fit to be a Lecturer, that they will give Order
for Erecting of a Lecture, and establishing a Lecturer.-
Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this
House will give a present Meeting, as is desired.
Mr. Hollis, Mr. Pym, Sir H. Vane, Sir Jo. Evelyn,
Mr. Fines, Sir Phi. Stapilton are appointed Managers
and Reporters of the free Conference, desired by the
Persons wounded in Whitehall.
The humble Petition of divers Persons in and about
the City of London, who were wounded at Whitehall: wounded in
And it is referred to the Committee that was appointed
to consider of that Business by the Committee at Grocershall: And that Committee is made a Committee of this
House; and ordered to be revived.
That Committee's Names are as follow * * * *
Ordered, That Sir Tho. Widdrington, Mr. Cage, Mr.
Lisle, Sir Wm. Masham, Mr. Long, Serjeant Wilde, Sir
Antho. Irby, Mr. Moore, Mr. Bodvile * * * *
The humble Petition of Mr. Robert Gardner, a Prisoner in the Tower, by a former Order of this House,
was read: And
It is Ordered, That he be forthwith released, and dis-charged from his Imprisonment, and That To-morrow
Morning, at Nine of Clock; and that he attend the
Committee for Informations: Who are appointed to
examine the Business concerning the London Petition,
framed touching the Militia of London.
Message from the King- Removal to York.
Mr. Hollis reports, that my Lord Keeper declared,
that Yesternight, at Nine of the Clock, he received a
Letter dated at Huntington, 15° Martii Instant, from
his Majesty, signed with the Privy Signet, to be com-municated to the Lords House: Which he had done
accordingly; and that the Lords had made their Ob-servations thereupon; which he left to That Lord to
deliver whom the Lords had designed to that End.
The Letter and Message was read by the Lord
Keeper. Which being done, the Lord Roberts spoke as
"I am commanded, by the Lords, to deliver what is
their Sense of the Message; and to represent their Observations."
1. "Concerning the Militia, the Lords do still insist
upon the Declaration of both Houses, notwithstanding
any thing expressed in this Message."
2. "The Lords made some Observations out of the
Matter of the Message, and out of the Circumstances of
Time and Place."
1. "For the King's Removal so far as Yorke from the
Parliament; and the great Inconvenience that should
happen thereby to the Kingdom of Ireland, by reason
of his Absence; the Lords taking it into Consideration,
do conceive his Majesty's removing so far as Yorke, that
it must, of Necessity, be an Obstruction, and may be a
Destruction of that Kingdom."
The next Particular out of the Message is concerning
the Privilege of Parliament, and the Laws of the Land:
The Lords are of Opinion, That when the Parliament,
which is the supreme Court of this Kingdom, shall
declare what the Law of the Land is, to have That not
only questioned and controverted, but contradicted, and
a Command that it should not be obeyed, is a Breach
of the Privilege of Parliament."
"The next Observation they had, was from the Time
and Place Comparing This with the Votes that passed
both Houses Yesterday, it is, as it were, a Contradiction
of those Votes: They do either think there was some
prophetical Spirit in it, that this should be so express an
Answer to those Votes, or was framed nearer Hand:
And therefore desire that it may be referred to a Committee to examine the same.
RIGHT trusty and well-beloved Counsellor, We
greet you well. Our Will and Command is, that, at the
next Sitting of our House of Peers, after your Receipt
of These, you deliver Our Message, sent inclosed, to be
read in Our said House; and afterwards communicated
to Our House of Commons: For which this shall be
your Warrant. Given at Our Court at Hunttington,
15th of March, 1641."
"HIS Majesty being now in His Remove to his City
of York, where He intends to make His Residence for
some time, thinks fit to send this Message to both
Houses of Parliament; That He does very earnestly
desire, that they will use all possible Industry in expediting the Business of Ireland; in which they shall find
so chearful a Concurrence by His Majesty, that no
Inconvenience shall happen to that Service by His
Absence; He having all that Passion for the Reducing
of That Kingdom which He hath expressed in His
former Message; and, being unable by Words to mani
fest more Affection to it than He hath endeavoured to
do by those Messages; having likewise done all such
Acts as He hath been moved unto by His Parliament:
Therefore, if the Misfortunes and Calamities of His
poor Protestant Subjects there, shall grow upon them;
though His Majesty shall be deeply concerned in, and
sensible of their Sufferings, He shall wash His Hands,
before all the World, from the least Imputation of
Slackness in that most necessary and pious Work. And,
that His Majesty may leave no Way unattempted, which
may beget a good Understanding betwixt Him and His
Parliament, He thinks it necessary to declare, that, as He
hath been so tender of the Privileges of Parliament, that
He hath been ready and forward to retract any Act of
His own, which, He hath been informed, hath trenched
upon their Privileges; so He expects an equal Tenderness in them of His Majesty's known and unquestionable
Privileges; which are the Privileges of the Kingdom.
Amongst which, He is assured, it is a fundamental one,
That His Subjects cannot be obliged to obey any Act,
Order, or Injunction, to which His Majesty hath not
given His Consent: And therefore He thinks it necessary to publish, that He expects, and hereby requires,
Obedience from all His loving Subjects to the Laws established; and that they presume not, upon any Pretence of
Orders or Ordinances, to which His Majesty is no Party,
concerning the Militia, or any other thing, to do or execute what is not warranted by those Laws; His Majesty
being resolved to observe the Laws Himself, and to
require Obedience to all them from all His Subjects.
And His Majesty once more recommends to His Parliament the Substance of His Message of the Twentieth
of January last, that they compose and digest, with all
Speed, such Acts as they shall think fit, for the present
and future Establishment of their Privileges, the free and
quiet Enjoying their Estates and Fortunes, the Liberties
of their Persons, the Security of the true Religion, now
professed in the Church of England, the Maintaining His
Majesty's royal and just Authority, and settling His Reve
nues; His Majesty being most desirous to take all fitting
and just Ways, which may beget a happy Understanding
between Him and His Parliament; in which He conceives his greatest Power and Riches doth consist.
Resolutions on King's Message.
Resolved, That this House shall insist upon their former Votes concerning the Militia.
Resolved, upon the Question, That the King's Absence,
so far remote from his Parliament, is not only an Obstruction, but may be a Destruction to the Affairs of Ireland.
Resolved, upon the Question, That, when the Lords
and Commons, in Parliament, which is the supreme Court
of Judicature in the Kingdom, shall declare what the
Law of the Land is; to have This not only questioned
and controverted, but contradicted, and a Command that
it should not be obeyed, is a high Breach of the Privilege of Parliament.
Resolved, upon the Question, That a Committee shall
be appointed by this House, to join with a Committee of
the Lords, to inquire where this Message was framed.
A Message from the Lords, by Sir * * * *;
The Lords do return unto you the Draught of the
Commission concerning the Affairs of Ireland, which
they received from this House, with their Approbation;
and likewise the Names of those Lords which they think
fit to be inserted into that Commission; viz.
The Lord Admiral, Lord Chamberlain, Earl of Pembroke, Earl of Holland, Lord Viscount Say and Seale,
Lord Kymbolton, Lord Robarts.
Letter to Sheriff of Yorke.
Sir Philip Stapilton reported a Letter that he was
ordered to prepare, to be sent to the High Sheriff, to
satisfy him and the Country, touching some Misreports
that were raised in that County, concerning their Petition
that they preferred to this House: The which was
read; and assented unto; and Ordered to be fair written,
and signed by Mr. Speaker. And further Ordered, That
it be referred to Sir Ph. Stapleton to take care to send
this Letter by a trusty Messenger: And this House doth
Order, That upon the Return of the Messenger, this
House will give him Satisfaction for his Pains in that
Journey, to be paid out of the Poll-money here at
Resolved, upon the Question, That those Persons that
advised his Majesty to absent himself from the Parliament,
are Enemies to the Peace of this Kingdom, and justly to
be suspected to be Favourers of the Rebellion in Ireland.
Resolved, &c. That those Persons that advised his
Majesty to this Message, are Enemies to the Peace of
Ordered, That this shall be referred to the Consideration of the Committee of this House, that was formerly
appointed to meet with the Committee of the Lords,
concerning the Declaration touching the Militia of the
Mr. Hollis is to go up with these Votes to the Lords.
Person sent for.
Resolved, upon the Question, That Sir Wm. Willmer,
Knight, the High Sheriff of the County of Northampton,
shall be forthwith sent for, as a Delinquent, by the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House.
Book from the King not to be published.
Resolved, upon the Question, That Mr. Speaker shall
direct these Two Persons of Northamptonshire, before
mentioned, that they forbear to publish the Book, sent
to the Sheriff of that County by his Majesty, containing
the Petitions and Answers touching the Militia, until
the Business be further examined, and the House shall
give further Order therein.
The Persons aforesaid were called in: And Mr.
Speaker, by the Commands of the House, took notice of
their Care and Respect to this House, in not publishing
any thing that concerned the Passages of this House,
without the Privity and Directions of this House; and
gave them Thanks therefore.
Payment to Lord, &c.
Ordered, That Sir Ro. Pye do pay Five Pounds to
Peter Lord and John James, from this House, to defray
their Charges in this Journey: And this to be paid out
of the Poll-money here at Westminster.
Ordered, That Mr. Wheeler, Sir Rob. Pye, and Sir
Antho. Irby, do examine Mr. Jo. Noland, an Irishman,
upon such Matters as they shall think fit to propound
unto him; and that, if, upon Examination, they shall
find Cause, they shall have Power to commit him to
the Serjeant's Custody.
Book of Rates.
Ordered, That Mr. Greene do proceed in his Report in
the Book of Rates, To-morrow Morning, so soon as the
House is set; and that no other Business shall intervene.