House of Commons Journal Volume 2
11 November 1641

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'House of Commons Journal Volume 2: 11 November 1641', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 2: 1640-1643 (1802), pp. 311-312. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=6031 Date accessed: 26 November 2014.


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Die Jovis, 11 Nov. 1641.

PRAYERS.

Suit in the Exchequer.

ORDERED, That Mr. Peard shall repair to the Barons of the Exchequer, to desire them, that they would make stay of the Suit depending between the Tenants of Butley in Somersetshire, and Mr. Tho. Simcotts Esquire, &c. till the next Term; in regard the Tenants prepared themselves for a Hearing in this House, and that the Agent that followed their Business here, who has all the Tenants Evidences, is sick in the Country.

Arundell Election.

Ordered, That Mr. Maynard shall report the Case of the Election... Arundell To-morrow Morning, the first Business.

St. Michael Bassishaw.

The humble Petition of the Parishioners of St. Michael Bassishaw, London, was this Day read; and the Articles annexed unto it.

And Michael Lea, Rob. Brier, Wm. Lacy, and others, were called in; and did avow the Petition:

And it was Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for scandalous Ministers: And they are to sit, as to this Business, and the Business of Dr. Fuller, only, To-morrow Morning at Seven of Clock, in the Inner Court of Wards. And it is Ordered, That Dr. Fuller be bailed, upon good Security, in the mean time: And they are to report the Bill for scandalous Ministers.

It is farther. . . That Dr. Gifford, and the Witnesses for the Petitioners, be summoned to appear before the said Committee To-morrow Morning.

Letter to Sheriffs.

A Letter from the Committee, to be sent to the Sheriffs, was read.

Moved, That it might be sent to the present and succeeding Sheriffs; and to the Mayor and Sheriffs of such Towns, as are Counties of themselves.

Recompence to Auditors, &c.

Ordered, That it be referred to the Committee for Poll-money to consider what Recompence is fitting to be given to the Auditors and Under Clerks, for their Pains taken in the Service of this House.

Irish Aflairs.

A Letter from the Lords Justices in Ireland, of the Fifth of Nov. directed to Mr. Speaker, was this Day read.

Ordered, That the Committee for Irish Affairs may presently meet, and prepare Resolutions to be presented to the House, upon the Occasion of this Letter, and the Debate that has hereupon happened:

That the House be forthwith resolved into a Committee, and fall into the Consideration of providing present Monies for the Expedition into Ireland.

General thanked.

Ordered, That, in the next Express to the Committee in Scotland, Notice shall be taken of the General's good Expressions to this Kingdom; and to return him Thanks.

Leave to go to Ireland.

Ordered, That Captain John Digby, a Member of this House, shall have Liberty to repair into Ireland.

Person to be apprehended.

Mr. Baxter was called in; who, as it was said, could give Information of Irish that laid dispersed in serveral Places.

Ordered, That the Serjeant at Arms attending on this House, shall seize and apprehend Colonel Fitzwilliams, and Mr. Roberts, and bring them safe in Custody, to be examined: And that the Master of the House in Milfordlane, whither the Irish resort for their Pay, be likewise summoned to appear here: And if any of them shall refuse to come, that the Serjeant require the Constables, and other Officers, to be assistant unto him.

Supply for Ireland.

Upon the Question, whether the House should be forthwith resolved into a Committee:

The House was divided:

The Yeas went forth.

Mr. Wheeler,
Tellers for the Noe:68.
Mr. Martin,
Sir Wm. Lewis,
Tellers for the Yea: - 98.
Mr. Strangewayes,

Resolved, upon the Question, That the House shall be presently resolved into a Committee, to fall into the Consideration of providing present Monies for the Occasions of Ireland.

Mr. Hide was called to the Chair.

Mr. Speaker resumed the Chair.

Sir John Hotham reports from the Committee for Irish Affairs * * * *

Conference.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Ro. Rich and Sir Edw. Leech;

The Lords desire a present Conference, by a Committee of both Houses in the Painted Chamber, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House, concerning a Letter, received this Day, from the Lords Justices, and others of his Majesty's Honourable Privy Council there, concerning the Troubles and Dangers of that Kingdom.

Answer returned by the same Messengers; That this House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

Sir John Hotham, Mr. Pym, Sir John Colpeper, Sir Tho. Barrington, Mr. Hide, are appointed Reporters of this Conference.

Conference.

Mr. Pym presents, from the Conference, a Letter from the Lords Justices and Council there, dated 5° Nov. sent to the Lord Keeper of the Great Seal of England.

Irish Affairs.

A Message from the Lords, by Baron Henden and J. Mallett;

The Lords desire a present Conference, by a Committee of both Houses, if it may stand with the Conveniency ...., concerning Letters of great Importance, sent from Ireland to the Lords of his Majesty's most Honourable Privy Council.

Answer returned, by the same Messengers; That this House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration, and will give a present Meeting, as is desired.

Ordered, That the same Reporters that were Reporters of the last Conference, shall be likewise Reporters of this Conference.

Ditto.

Mr. Pimme presents, from the Conference, the Lords Justices Letters to the Lords of his Majesty's most Honourable Privy Council, of the 5th of Nov. and a Copy of the Manifesto of the Irish, expressing the pretended Reasons and Grounds of their Rebellion; and divers Proclamations.

Instructions to Committee in Scotland.

A Message from the Lords, by Sir Ro. Rich and Sir Edw. Leech;

The Lords desire a Conference, by Committees of both Houses, presently, in the Painted Chamber, if it may stand with the Conveniency of this House, concerning Instructions to be sent, from both Houses, to the Committees attending his Majesty in Scotland.

Communication to the City.

That the House meet here so soon as the Conference shall be ended, to consider of sending to the City.

Ordered, That the Gentlemen that serve for the City shall presently repair to the Lord Mayor, to desire him, from this House, to call a Common Hall, so soon as with all possible Diligence they can.

At the Conference the Lords are likewise to be acquainted, that this House intends to send some of their Members to the City, and to communicate unto them the Letter from Ireland:- The Manner of it is not yet agreed.

Answer to Lords.

Answer returned, by the same Messengers; That this House has taken their Lordships Message into Consideration; and will forthwith send Answer by Messengers of their own.

Irish Affairs.

Sir H. Vane is appointed to go to the Lords with this Message;

To acquaint their Lordships, that this House is ready, presently, to give a Meeting, by a Committee of both Houses, as is desired by their Lordships: And likewise to desire a free Conference, that this House may propound something on their Part concerning the Affairs of Ireland:

That this House does incline to accept of the Offer of the Scotts, for sending of Ten thousand Men into Ireland, under such Conditions, and upon such Cautions, as shall be honourable and safe for this Kingdom a.

That, unless the Scotts should condescend to be commanded by the Government of English settled in Ireland, that there is no Intention that any should go at all.

Sir H. Vane brings Answer, That the Lords are willing that this Conference should be a free Conference, that this House may propound what they think fit for the Affairs of Ireland.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Six Thousand Foot of English, that are already agreed to be raised, and sent for the Defence of Ireland, shall be made Ten Thousand Foot of English.

Resolved, upon the Question, That the Assistance of Ten Thousand Men for the Occasions of Ireland, shall be desired of the Scotts, in such manner, and at such times, as the Parliament shall think fit.

Col.Fitzwilliams.

Moved, That Colonel Fitzwilliams be brought hither To-morrow, to answer such Things as shall be demanded of him b.

Conference.

Mr. Pym and Mr. Hollis are appointed Managers of the Conference.

Persons apprehended

Ordered, That those Irishmen that are now apprehended by the Constables of St. Clements, shall be secured till To-morrow, that the House take farther Order therein: And that, in the mean time, they be carried to the next Justices of Peace, to be examined, upon such Matters as may tend to the Discovery of their Employments.

Pressing Soldiers.

Ordered, That the Committee for the Bill for Pressing of Soldiers do meet To-morrow at Eight of Clock, in the Inner Star-chamber: And all, that will come are to have Voices at this Committee.

Col. Fitzwilliams.

John Foster was called in: And did avow himself to be of Worcestershire; and that he had served the King in the Northern Expedition the last Year and this; and that he was entertained by Colonel Fitzwilliams, as a Serjeant for the French Service.

Colonel Fitzwilliams was called in:-Confesses he was before the Committee; and that they told him, that he should not carry any in a Body.-

Confesses, That he has sent away about Five or Six-and-twenty to his Regiment in Picardie; and More he has entertained to fill up that Regiment.

Ordered, That Colonel Fitzwilliams, now in the Serjeant's Custody, shall be discharged of any farther Restraint: And that he shall be required to attend this House To-morrow Morning at Nine of Clock.

Hawkridge's, &c. Propositions.

Ordered, That Ten thousand Pounds shall be forthwith paid unto Mr. Hawkridge and Mr. Henley. according unto their Propositions assented unto Yesterday by both Houses, out of the Eleven thousand Pounds remaining in ready Cash in the Treasurers Hands for the Subsidies, and formerly ordered to be paid over to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, for the Occasions of that Kingdom.

It is likewise farther Ordered, That some speedy Course shall be taken for the Paying them the other Five thousand Pounds, according to their Propositions; and for securing them Five thousand Pounds more, to be paid at the time limited by their Propositions; and of taking Security from them, to perform what, of their Part, is to be done according to their Propositions.

Irish Affairs.

Mr. Pym reports the Conference with the Lords this Day:

1. They agree to the Publishing of the Letter, which was this Day received from the Council in Ireland, to the Lord Mayor and Court of Aldermen, for the Stirring them up to hasten the Lending of Money: 2. They agree that the Six thousand Foot of the English * * * *

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a In the Original, this Paragraph is struck through with a Pen, as if intended to be erazed.
b This paragraph is also struck through with a Pen.