East Indies, China and Japan
January 1621

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1870

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'East Indies, China and Japan: January 1621', Calendar of State Papers Colonial, East Indies, China and Japan, Volume 3: 1617-1621 (1870), pp. 409-413. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=68864 Date accessed: 18 April 2014. Add to my bookshelf


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January 1621

Jan. 1. Hague. 954. Sir Dudley Carleton to [John Chamberlain]. We are here very glad to hear that the accord betwixt the two East India Companies is so well received in the East Indies, the news whereof came very opportunely for Sir Dudley Diggs and Mr. Abbot's despatch, which would have been seen by good effects if it had nob been accompanied with the stay of the ship at Plymouth, of the release of which he would be glad to hear for many good respects more than that of trade only, which, notwithstanding now the agreement is made, may be of great use to both nations. Has written to my Lord Admiral and Secretary Naunton at the request of the States and this Company touching this ship. [Extract from Holland Correspondence.]
Jan. 3/13. Amsterdam. 955. Sir Dudley Diggs to Sir Dudley Carleton. They are assured by letters from the Company, from Sir Thos. Smythe and many particular friends, that this arrest went without their knowledge (see ante, No. 938), which the copy of [Sir James] Bagg, of Plymouth, his letter, who executed the warrant, plainly shows to be true ; besides the last of their letters shows that that day the Company had petitioned for her discharge. They have already remonstrated, and might have passed over this business in a shuffling manner, but he came on purpose hither to settle firm friendship, and take away the jealously or advantage of this suspicious cunning people. Has again written ; these men's grounds are but inferences and conjectures, or advertisements, nothing so direct as ours. The truth is they have written plainly to my Lord Admiral. Is advised secretly that Levinus Muncke gave counsel for this proceeding to the end that the Company might know nothing, and so be suitors for discharge of the ship, to oblige these here to believe in their friendship and sincerity, and to show them and this state the advantage the King hath of their returning single weak ships. The folly of such a proceeding, especially with a crafty jealous nation. Will omit no good office to settle the friendship of these Companies by accommodating the performance of the treaty sincerely, or go away satisfied that these men mean not well. The accord was received with great content of the two nations in the East Indies, by the happy arrival of our Bull, which prevented a bloody encounter between 11 of our best ships and 17 of the Dutch. The malice of them of Bantam to the Dutch hath made them since the union of the Companies deny trade to the English, though they admit them on land, who labour in vain for the peace of the Dutch. They have chosen the Council of War, and sent five apiece of the greatest ships to the Manillas ; our Palsgrave was Admiral. Both nations glad of peace ; were almost ruined by war. Doubts not many errors will be mended when the restitution is once accommodated here. Is no merchant, but want of other business has made him spend much time in this East India affair. [Extracts from Holland Corresp.]
Jan. 4. 956. Notes by [Secretary Calvert]. The States Commissioners to attend the Lords on Jan. [? Feb.] 5, at two o'clock, to receive their proposition, and report to the King, who will thereupon appoint commissioners to treat with them. The date is most probably a mistake for February 4th. [Extract from Domestic Corresp., Jac. I., Vol. CXIX., No. 7, Cal., p. 212.]
Jan. 6. Amsterdam. 957. Sir Dudley Diggs and Morris Abbott to Sir Dudley Carleton. Have laboured all they can to clear these men's jealousies about their ship, staying the pressing of restitution, as they have told them, till their ship might be out of doubt. Delay in the point of restitution ; the Dutch purpose to break up on the 17th, and, with some colourable slight deputation, linger them on in an idle treaty. Request his help with a letter from the States to will those men to enter into the treaty about the restitution, and if they think fit to depute some to treat with us. Diggs finds there is no good meaning in them in performance of the treaty, and they have proposed some new things dangerous to the English and contrary to the very treaty. Beg him to help them to prevent a trick and much loss of time. [Holland Correspondence.]
Jan. 8. Dover. 958. Rich. Marshe to Edward Nicholas. Account of the election of Sir Edwyn Sandys for Sandwich ; "the East Indies Company was a pernicious matter to them and the whole kingdom, and he is against that (as he said)." [Extract from Domestic Corresp., Jac. I., Vol. CXIX., No. 11, Cal., p. 212.]
Jan. 9. Amsterdam. 959. Sir Dudley Diggs to Sir Dudley Carleton. After their letter of the 6th they were invited to that feast, which was intended for these men's parting feast, as they know by some of the 17 themselves, but their taking it ill altered their (the Hollanders') purpose, for on Monday they were assured that though some went away, yet new should return, and the power continue to treat, but at this instant Mr. Secretary comes to tell him that their appointed meeting cannot he held, because he is sent for to the Hague about our conference, "so that which should have been our spur is our hinderance." Told him a truth that out of England our masters wonder they have done nothing in the restitution. Begs him say nothing of their discontent unless there be cause. [Holland Corresp.]
Jan. 10. Amsterdam. 960. Sir Dudley Diggs and Morris Abbott to Sir Dudley Carleton. They have also received notice from England that the Dutch General in the Indies hath proceeded very falsely in the execution of the treaty to the great discontent of our people, that think he durst not contradict the accord without encouragement and underhand directions from hence. Know the mayors here have kept these things from them, and shall now be forced roundly to remonstrate with them, and if they do not give speedy satisfaction must appeal to the States. Await the return of the (Dutch) Secretary ; if Carleton think fit, they will wait for him at the Hague. "Let this ill proceeding in the Indies be urged home to Boreel, the secretary, which you may take on you to receive from England, for we have yet said nothing of it to these men." [Holland Correspondence.]
Jan. 13. Amsterdam. 961. Sir Dudley Digges to Sir Dudley Carleton. Difficulties in treating "with a people full of cunning delays, and such as make no conscience of denying truths and speaking falsehoods for their advantage." Excuses for not sending larger information of their Indian news ; it came after young Boreel the advocate had departed. He has untruly informed Carleton "that we have had from them more than we looked for ;" have nothing but some provisional articles by way of project yet unsigned, for better regulating the East India trade for the good of the two Companies, which at the entreaty of the Dutch they have first proceeded in. Since they make so ill use of our sincerity in treating with them, are resolved to let them know we value this project as little as they can. Concerning the restitution, "a word of great and dangerous extent," the articles only in general terms. The truth is, "and the crafty young Armenian knew it," that by our Indian letters, which the Dutch captain would have denied (he had), General Coen very plainly refused to restore our ships and goods, and to publish the treaty anywhere save when it served for his advantage and to our hindrance ; the reasons he gave, "which our men discreetly obeyed," that those sent by the English Bull were copies. How Coen is excused here ; "it was Coen's error, for want of the hands of all the Chambers," so that "you see in what case we stand for all his smooth tale." Is confident they will not have reason until they come to the Hague before the States or some deputies who with Carleton shall hear and consider their arguments. As directed from England, have remonstrated against their servants' faults, which they confess they knew before. Have demanded that the damage the English shall sustain, by want of performance of the treaty in the Indies, these men will satisfy, yet they oppugn it with much wrangling, "but we have given it in writing and expect their resolute answer on Monday." They talk much of the arrest which my Lord Admiral sends word was made by the King's direction, and so discharged upon Caron's assurance of the peace in the Indies, and the Company purpose here to give us satisfaction. Sends his love to the honest Sir Thos. Gates. [Holland Corresp.]
Jan. 18. Hague. 962. Sir Dudley Carleton to John Chamberlain. The business of the East Indies is removed from Amsterdam, where merchants cannot agree about Meum and Tuum, to this place, where Sir Dudley Diggs is already, and he hath sent for his colleague. [Extract from Holland Correspondence.]
Jan. 20. Firando. 963. Rich. Cocks to the East India Company. Sends copy of his letter by the James Royal, which left Firando for Bantam 17th Dec. last ; the rest of the fleet, English and Dutch, departed towards the Manillas 3rd of this present. The Emperor's officers will not take the lead at what it was priced by the Emperor's Council at Yedo. Has been obliged to take up 1,150 taies Japan plate, at two per cent. interest per month, but doubts it will suffice, for they can make no money either of their lead or silk. No orders yet received from the Emperor to the King of Firando about allowing the frigate for prize, although a man has been kept at his court ever since Capt. Clevenger and Cockram returned from thence. Is informed by a messenger they sent to China, that the old Emperor hath resigned the government to one of his sons, and that the new Emperor hath granted the English nation trade into China for two ships a year, the place appointed near to Fuckchew (? Fou-chow), and there wanted but the "fermes" (? firmans) of two Viceroys of two provinces to confirm it, and that the goshon or passport will be sent the English next monsoon. [One page. O.C., Vol. VII., No. 924.]
Jan. 23. Hague. 964. Sir Dudley Carleton to Sec. Calvert. Our two deputies for the East India Company, Sir Dudley Diggs and Morris Abbott, have two points to handle (one concerning the reglement of trade, the other restitution) ; for the first they are at good agreement with these men, but for the latter they find that the question of Meum and Tuum is impossible to be decided with merchants at Amsterdam, wherefore they desired him to procure the cause to be removed hither before the States, which he has accordingly done, and here they are more like to make a good end in their business, notwithstanding that the arrest of the ship at Plymouth is a shrewd rub in their way, for these men are of a repugnant nature ; they may be led, not driven. Understands the ship is released, but withal that there is one of these East Indian ships cast away about Guernsey or Jersey, and if it should happen to be that which was arrested, it would fall out most unlucky to the business, wherein these deputies have (according to the order they brought him from the King) his best assistance. [Extract from Holland Corresp.]
Jan. 30. 965. "Points whereupon his Majesty doth declare himself touching the East India business ;" also touching Greenland and the fishing in general. Those concerning the East Indies are comprised in nine articles. Liberty is given to both English and Dutch Companies to erect forts in all places in the Indies, provided they are not within ten leagues one of another, saving in the Moluccas, Banda, and Amboyna ; to the English merchants to build a residence for the Council of Defence ; the States to demolish any forts in the Moluccas, Banda, and Amboyna built since the treaty ; the employment of the ten ships ; the punishment of offenders ; the pretences of sovereignty ; the payment and victualling of the garrisons ; the insolence of the Dutch governors and ministers ; the choice of discreet persons to carry on the trade in the Indies. [Three pages. East Indies, Vol. I., No. 83.]
[Jan. 30.] 966. Abstract of the contents of the preceding paper. [Three pages. East Indies, Vol. I., No. 84.]
Jan. 31. Firando. 967. Richard Cocks to the East India Company. Has been to Nangasaki to take up more money at interest to clear the accounts of provisions in setting out the fleet, and taken up 14,500 taies at two per cent. per month. Cannot yet get the Emperor's governor at Nangasaki to take their lead as the Emperor's Council ordained, neither have they yet an answer whether the frigate their ship took coming from the Manillas will be granted for good prize or no ; "no trusting to the promises of these barbarous people, be they never so fair or the personages which promise never so great, for they will promise to-day and deny it to-morrow, as I myself have found by experience." If God permit them free trade into China, they may in time frustrate the designs of the Spaniards and Portugals, "who want not to cross our proceeding in all they may, both with great bribes and treacherous plots ; . . . . only their angling with golden hooks maketh matters as yet to stand at a stay, and our givings the greater than otherwise it would be, for here is nothing to be had but for what will you give me." Sends copy of the value or taxation of the Swan made by the Hollanders. [One page. O.C., Vol. VII., No. 925.]
Jan. 31. Patani. 968. John Jourdain to Edward Long in Siam. Much marvels that there should be so many complaints of him, as he understands not only from the Company's servants, but from the blacks where they live, "which is a great shame for our nation." Wishes him to carry himself in better fashion towards the people, and to agree better with his second and third man. To send in future copies of letters he receives from any factories, that their president at Jacatra may be advertised. Complaints of John Dodde (his second) ; remarks thereon. Is told he has paid less than he writes for freight ; "if it should be so, you will reap unto yourself great disgrace." Demands of the Dutch. [Two pages. Endorsed, "Rec. 20 Feby. 1620-1." O.C., Vol. VII., No. 926.]