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December 1622, 3-30


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'East Indies: December 1622, 3-30', Calendar of State Papers Colonial, East Indies, China and Japan, Volume 4: 1622-1624 (1878), pp. 77-80. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=69753 Date accessed: 17 April 2014. Add to my bookshelf


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Dec 1622, 3-30

Dec. 3.187. The Lords Commissioners for the Treaty to the King. When the Governor and others of the East India Company attended his Majesty at Newmarket upon a sudden warning given by the States Ambassadors to repair thither, their Lordships informed the King of the state of those questions as they left them at that time. Afterwards the Ambassadors, upon second cogitations, thought fit to resume the conference [see letter, ante, No. 178, 19 Nov. 1622]; since when they have had many meetings, and have driven the questions to so near a point of agreement concerning restitution and future reglement of trade as their Lordships had hope to have concluded all things without his Majesty's trouble (excepting one or two special points reserved for his own sacred judgment), as will be seen by the enclosed note of every particular as it now stands. Have been careful, as the King commanded, to keep themselves to the treaty, and not to give way to any novelty, howbeit the Ambassadors offer divers propositions as explanatory of the treaty, which their Lordships conceive alter it in sense, and may be of great disadvantage to his Majesty's subjects. But as by mutual consent the questions concerning restitution not agreed upon at the Board were referred to the merchants themselves, in whose hands they yet remain, and their Lordships are informed have proceeded so far as they doubt not good success, so the Board thinks the other point touching reglement, which merely concerns trade, may as well be agreed upon amongst themselves, and the merchants are of the same opinion. Did much wonder at the intention of the Ambassadors, declared to the Board yesternight, of waiting upon his Majesty, seeing the Ambassadors have left the business to their merchants and ours, who stay behind of purpose to despatch it, and therefore did what they could to divert them, alleging, among other reasons, his Majesty's present indisposition by the pain in his foot. Annexed,
187. I. The points in difference between the English and Dutch merchants as they now stand. The merchants are accorded concerning the charges of the siege of Bantam. The discount on pepper brought into Holland stands referred to two English and two Dutch merchants. The valuation of ryals of eight taken from English merchants in the Indies not yet agreed on. The point concerning the goods of Lantar in handling by the merchants on both sides. The points of reglement; the abridging the number of 10 ships for defence likely to be accorded between the merchants. Touching jurisdiction, it is agreed that either nation shall have the government and correcting of their own people. Some indifferent place to be appointed for the Council of Defence, or the English to have a residence near Jacatra, where said Council of Defence may assemble alternatively. Touching the forts, their Lordships still insist as they advertised the King in their former letter, and see no cause why they should be ordered from it. Endorsed by Bradshaw, "Touching ye treaty." [East Indies, Vol. II., No. 32.]
Dec. 6.
188. The King to the Lords Commissioners for the Treaty. His Majesty has received their letters, and given audience to the States Ambassadors, rather out of a desire that they should not wholly lose their journey than from any necessity of hearing what they had to say, since the King's return to Theobalds approacheth so near when he expects to hear a full account of the business. In the meantime upon the Ambassadors' return to their conferences the King could not but recommend to their Lordships' care the clearing of all accounts, and putting the whole business to an end as near as it can be, that at his Majesty's coming he may receive the whole relation, which he hopes will be brought to such a point as to need no more but His Majesty's conclusion. As for the point of the Muscovy merchants, order to be taken for the payment of the money accordingly. [East Indies, Vol. II., No. 33.]
Dec. 6.
189. Copy of the above. Endorsed by Bradshaw. [East Indies, Vol. II., No. 34.]
Dec. 7.
190. Chamberlain to Carleton. The States went not to Newmarket, but our East Indian and Muscovy merchants were there and attended their coming four or five days, to their great trouble and charge, and came away unheard. They went later, but their Secretary Hugins having charge of a bag of papers and 200l. for their expense was robbed on the way, and although a reward of 20l. has been offered for their recovery, they are like to lose both their memorials and money. [Extract from Domestic Corresp., Jac. I., Vol. CXXXIV., No. 66, Cal., p. 467.]
Dec. 13.191. Commission to Lionel, Earl of Middlesex, and others, to examine upon oath what injuries and depredations have been committed at sea on the King of Spain, or his agents, by the Company of Merchants of London trading to the East Indies. [Minute. Grant Bk., pp. 352, 362. Domestic, Jac. I., Cal., p. 468.]
Dec. 18/28.
192. Extract of a letter from Governor General Coen to Martin Sonck, Governor in Banda, [Dutch. Three pages. O.C., Vol. IX., No. 1090.]
Dec. 18/28.
193. Translation of the above. Is surprised to hear of the illdoings of those of Pooloroon. Takes it very well that at last he has understood the business better, and punished with death 160 of the principal Orankays. Warns him against the Bandanese. Trust as little the children of the Rosingyns as we do here the wives and children of those of Solamme and Lantar. They will turn Christians to act their parts the better. Those of Ceram are treacherous people, and sent as spies to discern where they may do mischief. Advises him to keep no renegades; if there be no law to punish them as spies with death, or to imprison them, send them hither. Charges him to keep no Bandanese, but such as he be fully assured cannot do any harm. The men of Banda should be sent away, and their wives and children be carefully overlooked, so that you be sure we have no prejudice by them. The people of the coast are very idle, and much subject to diseases, yet he hopes by teaching they may be improved, in which he is to do his best endeavour. Let the English keep no more slaves nor people than such as can no ways be any hindrance unto us. Thinks they had good knowledge of the bad intentions of the Poolorooners; if this can appear you shall punish the offenders, without any favour, according to former instructions. Trust the English no more than a public enemy ought to be trusted. It is necessary that the soldiers' clothing be put on their account; will not make any alterations at their pleasures. Is out of measure ashamed, and cannot think where his wits were to let Welden buy and consume the rest of his powder, so that those of Pooloroon and Ceram and the Renegados of Banda should the better obtain their purpose and present their conquests to the King of England. It seems you yourself do stir up the enemy to do mischief; yet has not any means to send more powder. Certified copy by Peter Derickson, London, 17th November 1629. [Two pages and a half. O.C., Vol. IX., No. 1091.]
Dec. 19.
194. Extract from a letter written from Madrid. A post, which has arrived overland from the East Indies, confirms the taking of Ormuz by the Persians with the help of the English, and they are much troubled with the news here. [Extract from Spanish Corresp.]
Dec. 20/30.
195. The Earl of Bristol to Sec. Calvert. There has been much murmuring at the Court concerning the taking of Ormuz by the Persians, which they chiefly attribute to the assistance of the English, for his former advices from England are now confirmed by a Correo, come overland purposely with the news, at which they here much storm (particularly the Portuguese), it being a place of so great importance to them. Has done all he can to satisfy the ministers by letters to the Condes de Gondomar and Olivares. [Extract from Spanish Corresp.]
Dec. 21.
196. Chamberlain to Carleton. Upon complaint of the Spanish Ambassador of want of justice in the Admiralty Court, a commission has been granted to some Lords of the Council to examine the depredations of our East Indian Company in the Indies, and especially about the business of Ormuz. [Extract from Domestic Corresp., Jac. I., Vol. CXXXIV., No. 80, Cal., p. 470.]
Dec. 26.
197. Minutes of the debate with the States Ambassadors. Concerning the comparative values of white and black rice, taken respectively by the Dutch and English, and the freight and insurance on pepper. Since this they have met several times, but are not grown to conclusion, though every day they hope to come to an end, and most of the points in differences are already concluded, both concerning the reglement of trade and restitution. Endorsed by Bradshaw, "Debate of 2 points, pepper and rice." [East Indies, Vol. II., No. 35.]
Dec. 26.
198. The Earl of Bristol to Sec. Calvert. The late taking of Ormuz by the Persian through the assistance (as is alleged) of the English, has made a great noise in this Court, and been much aggravated by the Portuguese, insomuch that the Conde de Olivares has treated with him about it, to whom he has given such satisfaction as he thought necessary, and they intend to send Bristol a relation of the whole proceeding, with their complaints, for the King. Hopes that accidents of this nature will not be able to breed any alteration in the main business, as was supposed. [Extract from Spanish Corresp.]
Dec. 30.199. Locke to Carleton. Sends the proceedings of the Dutch as well for reglement of trade as otherwise; they were at the very point to have made an end and now they are flown off again, "so that it will ask some more time." On Monday [6 Jan.] they meet again, and there will be no intermission "till they make a bolt or a shaft of it." [Extract from Domestic Corresp., Jac. I., Vol. CXXXIV., No. 99, Cal., p. 471.]