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November 1538 16-20


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'Henry VIII: November 1538 16-20', Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 13 Part 2: August-December 1538 (1893), pp. 353-369. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=75807 Date accessed: 17 April 2014. Add to my bookshelf


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November 1538 16-20

16 Nov.848. Heretical Books, Church Ceremonies, &c.
Titus, B. i.
Cranmer, (fn. 1)
App. No. viii.
Proclamation against importing, selling, or publishing English books without special licence, or printing such books with annotations or prologues unless they be first examined by the Privy Council or some one appointed by the King; nor even in licensed books must the words cum privilegio regali be printed without adding ad imprimendum solum.
None to print or sell any "books of Scripture "without the supervision of the King, one of his Council, or a bishop. Sacramentaries, Anabaptists, and the like, who sell books of false doctrine, to be detected to the King or Privy Council.
None to reason or dispute about the Sacrament of the Altar except those learned in divinity in their schools. Holy bread, holy water, kneeling and creeping to the Cross on Good Friday and Easter day, setting up of lights before Corpus Christi, bearing of candles on Candlemas day, purification of women, offering of chrisms, &c, must be observed till the King please to change them.
Priests known to have wives or to intend marriage to be deprived, and those marrying after this proclamation to be imprisoned at the King's pleasure.
Burnet, vi.
Archbishops, bishops, deacons, &c, to preach the word of God, showing the difference between things commanded by Him and ceremonies used in the Church. Thos. Becket, sometime abp. of Canterbury, shall no longer he named a saint, as he was really a rebel who fled the realm to France and to the bp. of Rome to procure the abrogation of wholesome laws, and was slain upon a rescue made with resistance to those who counselled him to leave his stubbornness. His pictures throughout the realm are to be plucked down and his festival shall no longer be kept, and the services in his name shall be razed out of all books. Westminster, 16 Nov. 30 Hen. VIII.
Modern copy, from a copy printed by Thomas Berthelot.
Cleop. E. V
B. M.
2. Draft of the first part of the preceding, with corrections in the King's hand. Printed in Strype's Cranmer, App. No. viii., with the King's corrections in italics.
R. O.3. Another (earlier) draft of the first part of the preceding, with numerous corrections in a clerk's hand.
Large paper, pp. 13.
[16 Nov.]849. Papers relating to Lambert and his Trial.
Foxe, v. 237.Lambert's treatise on the Sacrament of the Altar, addressed to the King.
2. John Lamberte, "a poor prisoner," to Cromwell.
R. O.Was last week driven by necessity to write a rude letter to the King, and also to write to him his opinion on the Sacrament, and though he was partly enforced to do so, is not a whit sorry, trusting that it will either show the King the truth or cause him to discuss the matter further. Sent Cromwell a copy of the letter which, though gruffly indited, he understands was gently accepted. Would also have sent a copy of my opinion addressed to the King, but prisoners cannot do as they would. My lord of Canterbury has a copy out of which Lamberte would be glad to be allowed to write another for Cromwell. Though it contains no painted eloquence, hopes Cromwell will like it. Thinks he can disprove any accusation made against him, but if he is put here in ward, without accusation, is still content to suffer, having confidence in Cromwell's consideration, who put him into this captivity, having before received much comfort from Cromwell's causing the Gospel to be spread, against the oppressors of which he has so laboured that he has not been long unpersecuted these 20 years.
Hol., pp. 2. Add.: Thomas Cromwell, lord of the Privy Seal.
Cleop. E. v.
B. M.
App. xxiv.
3. The answer or declarations of Richard bp. of Chichester in the presence of the King's Majesty against the sixth reason or argument of John Lambert, concerning the most Holy and Blessed Sacrament of the Altar. (fn. 2)
Cleop. E. v.
B. M.
4. An argument in answer "to the seventh reason of Lambert," showing that his low view of the Sacrament is not supported, as he claims, by holy doctors, any more than (as had been previously shown) he can allege Scripture, rightly understood, in its favour.
Pp. 4. Endd. by Sadler: "A confutacion of Lamberte's opynyon."
5. Master and Fellows of Queen's College, Cambridge, to Queen [Katharine of Arragon].
Harl. MS.
7048, f. 18.
B. M.
Have received her letters for the election of John Lambert, B.A., as one of their fellows. Have inquired of his virtue and learning, but his masters and tutors would not depose for him. Desired his father to bring him to college to answer a question of logic or philosophy, but he declined to present himself. Offered him, through his father, a chamber and 10 marks a year and his learning, until it was found that he was fit for election, but he still refused. Request, therefore, to have free election in discharge of their oaths. [A.D. 1521.] (fn. 3)
Modern copy, p. 1. Headed: To the Queen.
16 Nov.850. Lady Lisle to Lord Lisle.
R. O.Was this morning with my lord Privy Seal and told him how gracious the King had been to me, desiring him to be good unto you for your annuity which he said could not be more than 200l. I answered he could obtain the 400l. as he promised. He replied, he thought you would not charge him with his promise, but be would do his best. Then I reasoned with him how the good earls (fn. 4) had handled me in taking possession of my son's lands, and he said they should undo what was done, and that he would be in hand with them for the same within two hours. As he said nothing of Paynswick I opened the subject, saying, that Mr. Pollard had moved me in his behalf for it, and that though I had refused sundry great offers, seeing he was my good lord I would part with it to him, if he would see me no loser, provided this his last request was not for Mr. Kingston but for himself. He promised it was for himself alone. I trust to know more of his mind in a day or two. I send you half of a doe, sent me by Sir Antony Brown. I kept the other half because I think that Mr. Richard Cromwell and Mr. Pollard will sup with me tomorrow night. I intend to see my lord Prince before I go, when I have finished my business. I hope to bring your patent of annuity and also a commission for the Freres. London, 16 Nov. Signed.
Mr. Windsor is here, but the account is not yet made. Begs him to thank Sir Antony Brown.
Pp. 2. Add.
16 Nov.851. John Husee to Lord Lisle.
R.O.This day, in the King's hall at York place, certain scaffolds, bars, and seats were erected on both sides the hall, and at the highest end a "hautt place" for the King. The hall was richly hung, and about noon his Majesty being seated, with the most part of the lords temporal and spiritual, bishops, doctors, judges, serjeants at law, the mayor and aldermen of London, and others, John Nycolson, clk., alias Lambert, sometime chaplain to the English nation in Antwerp, was brought before his Grace, and certain articles concerning the Sacrament of the Altar objected to him. He held to his opinions, denying the very body of God to be in the said Sacrament in corporal substance, but only to be there spiritually. The King's Majesty reasoned with him in person, sundry times confounding him, so that he alone would have been sufficient to confute a thousand such. It was not a little rejoicing unto all his commons and to all others that saw and heard how his Grace handled the matter; for it shall be a precedent whilst the world stands; and no one will be so bold hereafter to attempt the like cause. Alter the King had confounded him by Scripture, so that Lambert had nothing to say for himself, the bishops and doctors exhorted him to abandon his opinions, as his Grace did also: but he refused, and will have his deserts. The matter lasted from noon till 5, when he was conveyed to the Marshalsea. London, 16 Nov.
Hol., pp. 2. Add.
852. Sir Thomas Elyot to Henry VIII.
"The Preface" to his "Dictionary," in which he speaks of the honour due to royalty as next to that due to God, and expresses his admiration of "a divine influence or spark of divinity which late appeared to all them that beheld your Grace sitting in the throne of your royal estate as Supreme Head of the Church of England next under Christ, about the decision and condemnation of the pernicious errors of the most detestable heretic, John Nicolson, called also Lambert," when all men admired "the fulmination of the most vehement arguments" by the King in confutation of his heresies, and also his "wonderful patience in the long sustaining of the foolish and tedious objections of the said Lambert; as also at your most Christian chariry in moving and exhorting so stubborn an heretic, with the most gentle and persuasible language, to recant" The people wept for joy and comfort at seeing this.
The author goes on to express his gratitude to the King for the interest he took in his work; for Henry, being informed about it when it was half printed, by the reports of Ant. Denny, worthily called by the King to his privy chamber, Will. Tildesley, Keeper of the King's library, and, most specially, by the recommendation of lord Crumwell, lord Privy Seal, "chief patron of virtue and cunning" after the King, declared his readiness to assist him not only with his counsel but with such books as his Grace had. On this he stopped the press, and beginning at the letter M, where he left, gave a more diligent study to the remainder; and that done, gave a like study to the first half. Further remarks on the work.
853. Sir Thomas Elyot to Cromwell.
A letter of compliments, in which the writer appeals to Cromwell's recollection of their past friendship since they first met 21 years ago, and to the good opinion Cromwell had of his learning. Signed: T. Eliota.
Hol., p. 1. Add. at the head. Written on a flyleaf at the beginning of the copy of the writer's "Dictionary," printed by Berthelet in 1538, which is now in the British Museum.
854. Sir Thomas Elyot to Cromwell.
Cleop. E. iv.
B. M.
Eccl. Mem.
I.i. 405.
xxxiii. 353.
Supp. of Mon.
Cromwell has been so busy with frequent access of suitors, that he has had no opportunity of thanking his Lordship for his favourable report of him to the King on Wednesday last. Offers him all hearty love and service. Believing that the King's gentle communications with himself proceed of Cromwell's recommendations, desires him to continue his good lord. Deprecates Cromwell's suspicion that he savours not truly holy Scripture. Detests as much as any man living "all vain superstitions, superfluous ceremonies, slanderous janglings, counterfeit miracles, arrogant usurpations of men called spiritual and masking religious, and all other allusions of Christ's holy doctrines and laws." Rejoices at the King's godly proceedings in reformation of these enormities. Beseeches Cromwell, therefore, to forget the amity he had with Sir Thos. More, which was but usque ad aras. Never cared for him so much as for loyalty to his sovereign.Has more natural "shamefastness" than necessary, and would not press to the King without Cromwell's assistance, to whom he has several times declared his indigence, and whereof it hath happened. Begs he will obtain for him from the King a portion of the suppressed lauds on which he can live according to the degree to which his Grace has called him. Will give Cromwell the first year's fruit. Has written hearing that Cromwell went to Court.
"Written at my house by Smithfield this Monday."
Hol., p. 1. Add.: lord Privy Seal. Endd.
16 Nov.855. Southampton and Thos. Bp. of Ely to [Cromwell.] (fn. 5)
Cott. App.
L. 79.
B. M.
Ellis, 2 Ser.
ii. 114.
According to [their] letters of the 14th they have now removed the lady of Salisbury and last night arrived with her at Cowdrey. As we expected, since our arrival here, "travailing sundry times and after sundry sorts with her" we have got something new out of her, which we deem material. We have also picked out of Standishe more than we could at first; which we shall report on our return. "We assure your Lordship we have dealt with such a one as men have not dealt withal to fore us; we may call her rather a strong and constant man than a woman." For she bad been "so earnest, vehement and precise" that we thought it waste of time to press her further, but between 1 and 2 this afternoon, when on the point of taking leave of her, John Chaderton and Whyte whom we appointed with others to take order for her household till the King's pleasure were further known, sent us letters enclosing certain bulls granted by a bishop of Rome, which were found in Standish's chamber, with a copy of a letter found in a gentlewoman's chest, made, as it appears, by the said lady to lord Montague. "And forasmuch as the matter comprised the[rein seemed] (fn. 6) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [we] (fn. 7) have stopped [our journey] (fn. 6) th[is day to the] (fn. 7) King, and shall spend the same in . . . . . . . . . eftsoons with her, so that we have [examined her] (fn. 8) whether, wherefore and when she made . . . . . . and by her examination have tried out . . . . . . . wrote the same, and have sent for the w . . . . . . abouts, whose examination we intend to s . . . . . . this next day till noon, and so to make no [further] (fn. 7) demore here, but putting her in such order [and] (fn. 7) surety here as the King's pleasure is she should be left in, with convenient speed to come h[ome] (fn. 9) , and then give you advertisement of all together." Cowdrey, 16 Nov. Signed.
Pp. 2.
R. O.2. The lady of Sarum:—Copy of the answers numbered 5, 19, and 21 in No. 818.
ii. Lady Salisbury to lord Montague.
"Son Montague," I send you God's blessing and mine. The greatest gift I can send is to desire God's help for you, for which I perceive there is need. My advice in the case you stand in is to endeavour to serve your prince without disobeying God's commandment.
Headed: "The copy of the letter aforesaid " (i.e. in answer 21).
iii. Lady Salisbury to Reynold Pole.
For abstract see Vol. XI., No. 93.
iv. Raynold Poole to lady Salisbury, his mother.
Copy of his letter dated Venge (Venice), 15 July [1536]. See Vol. XI., No. 92.
Headed: Copy.
Pp. 4, mutilated. Endd.: "[The p]rincipall [poin]tes of rny [lady] of Sarum [con]fession with [the] copies of [her] and Raynold [P]ooles letters."
16 N[ov.]856. Latimer to Cromwell.
R. O.
L. s Remains,
p. 409.
Encloses a letter about the relics with which the Blood of Halys is accompanied. Wishes it returned to satisfy the writer's mind. "If Master Nevell shall remove S. Keynelme, then he shall find his shoe sole for a relic." Would have waited upon Cromwell, but he must preach tomorrow for Master Munwurthe (fn. 10) at Barking. Doubts not Cromwell remembers Gloucester. The abbess of Mallynge desires him to thank Cromwell for his goodness. "16 N."
Hol., pp. 2. Add.: Lord Privy Seal. Endd.
16 Nov.857. Jane Hooper, Widow, to Cromwell.
R. O.Reminds him that when last at her house he granted to her his lands in Thenam in ferme at 4 mks. a year, with further grant to her son Chr., his servant, of the same two years past. Now Antony Ager has let it to Nic. Fynche, my Lord Warden's servant, and they keep it from her and her son. Though it is no great hindrance to her, the rebuke that will ensue grieves her more than the loss of 100l. Asks to know his pleasure by her son, whom she believes to be at London. Desires that Cromwell will consider him with something, so that he may be thought to be in Cromwell's favour, as well as his other servants; for his kinsfolk and friends think he is rather in displeasure because other men have had so many advancements and he none. Though youth so reign in him that rather pleasure than profit is esteemed yet nature with motherly love constraineth her to write and speak for him. The Lodge, 16 Nov.
Hol, p. 1. Add.: Lord Privy Seal. Endd.
16 Nov.858. Negociations at Brussels.
Calendar, vi. i.
No. 26.
Report by the Imperial deputies of their negociations with the English ambassadors at Brussels, 16 Nov. 1538.
The English ambassadors first showed their commission and referred to the Emperor's overtures in which no progress had been made for want of sufficient powers to his ambassadors, which lately the Emperor at Barcelona declared to the English ambassador that he was ready to send to the queen Regent. The English then asked for an examination of the powers on both sides and took exception to the Queen's powers as insufficient, insisting on having a copy to send to England. Desired them to point out any flaw, but they said it was for their master to consider that matter.
From a MS. at Vienna.
859. Queen Mary of Hungary to Charles V.
Lanz, ii.295.As she has had no reply to her repeated letters, she despatches this special courier for instructions. Has before written of proposals made by the Landgrave of Hesse to the greffier of Luxembourg. The Landgrave has now sent a man to know if there is any reply from the Emperor, desiring to have it before the meeting of a diet (journee) of several princes which is shortly to he held at——(blank) on the Rhine.——The duke of Holstein, elect of Denmark, and his differences with duke Frederic Palatine. ——By her last letters, related the communications held with the ambassadors of the king of England. The verbal sent herewith will show what has since been done, which is not very much, and how they insist on having a certain writing obligatory from me, or copy of my power, or of that which I have given to those whom I have deputed to communicate with them. Thinks they want it to show in France and arouse jealousy. Not to break off communications, has heard them herself. Is in doubt, if they wish to push forward the matter of the two marriages and the closer amity, what to answer, because the Emperor has not yet sent her his final wish touching either of the marriages nor how much Don Loys of Portugal will bring in marriage. Asks instructions, if they wish to treat only their master's marriage with the duchess of Milan, deferring that of Don Loys and the Princess, or deferring both marriages to treat only of the closer amity, what she is to negociate and whether they are to be still delayed, which will be difficult to do without displaying too evident dissimulation.
Asks instructions with regard to the dukes of Cleves and whether to listen to them if they speak again of the marriage of the duchess of Milan. The said young duke of Cleves is strengthening himself in Grueldres. The ambassador in France has informed her of the Emperor's reply to Brissac which has given both the King and Queen great satisfaction.
17 Nov.860. Tristram Teshe to Cromwell.
R. O.Hugh Wyrrall and Teshe have taken the surrender of the White Friars at Doncaster and made a book of their property. The tenements in Doncaster are in some decay. The image of Our Lady was taken away before Teshe's coming by the Archbp's order, with others to which any repair of people had been used. York, 17 Nov.
Hol., p. 1. Add.: Lord Privy Seal. Endd.
18 Nov.861. Wigmore Abbey.
R. O.
Rymer xiv.
Surrender (by John bp. of "Pavidenc'" and commendatory of Wigmore and the convent) of the monastery, and all its possessions in cos. Heref. and Salop, and the marches of Wales and elsewhere in England, Wales, and the marches thereof. 18 Nov. 1538, 30 Hen. VIII. Signed "Per me, Joh'em. Comendatorium" and by Robt. Pasbury, prior, Wm. Clebry, sub-prior, and 8 others. [See Deputy Keeper's Eighth Report, App. ii. 49.]
Seal broken.
Enrolled [Cl. Roll p. 5 No. 53] without mem. of acknowledgment.
18 Nov.862. Lord Lisle to Lady Lisle.
R. O.
William Wayte has given white cloth which I have sent you by Harry Vernam. Wayte tells me that Ric. Parsons of Sutwyll hath three geldings 15 hands high, price 15l. Send Wm. Leke to look at them, and buy them for me at 20 marks. If they be as Wayte says, "I put no store but one of them shall pay for all." Calais, 18 Nov.
If she sends John Donygcourt to see the geldings let him offer 10l. for them. Signed.
P.S. Sends her some baked partridges, and a pasty of a wild boar that came out of France, a baked crane and a white kersey to make her a petticoat. "Commend me to Corell Pat my frende letter to yow and to Marry from my lady Burr" (Madame de Bours).
Hol, p. 1. Add.
18 Nov.863. Henry Palmer to Cromwell.
R.O.Received 12 Nov. Cromwell's letter of 31 Oct., bidding him forbear to meddle with the office of the serjeant royal of Guisnes, unless he can prove that it is not incident to my lord Chamberlain's office as lieutenant. Explains his conduct. Has ceased to interfere in the matter since Cromwell's letter. Hopes if any motion be made touching the gaol at Guisnes, the order he took in open court before Cromwell's letter arrived may take effect, viz.:— When he appointed a jailor at the court holden in the King's Exchequer at Calais by him as bailey, 16 Oct., with Thos. Fowler, deputy to Mr. Robt Fowler, vice-treasurer, Thos. Boyes, deputy to lord Edmund Howard, comptroller, Wm. Pryseley, John Massingberd, John Cokeson, John Wyndebanck, and four others (named). Calais, 18 Nov. Signed.
P. 1. Add.: Lord Privy Seal. Endd.
18 Nov.864. Negociations at Brussels.
VI. i. No. 27.
Second report of the Imperial deputies.
On the 18 Nov. the English ambassadors, after hearing the Queen's answer to their first application, thought it strange that a copy of the powers granted to her by the Emperor was denied them. As to Milan, they wondered at the difficulties now raised, considering that the proposal to give the duchy to Don Loys had come directly from the Emperor, and been confirmed even after the interview at Aigues Mortes. Perceiving that the Queen's deputies gave no answer, they went on to speak of the succession of lady Mary, which, they said, had already been settled by the laws of the kingdom, sworn to by the King's subjects. Then, as to the third point of their charge, that Dom Loys should swear to the statutes passed in England, he ought to make no difficulty as it would confirm the eventual succession of Mary to the Crown, and make him popular among the English, and, though such provisoes were unusual in marriage contracts, the King insisted on it as a safeguard to the succession. The ambassadors finally said that, as the Queen's commissioners wished to make separate answer to each of the three points, they would be glad to have the answers in writing, within six days' time, that they might refer it to the King in case of any difficulties. This the commissioners have referred to the Queen, and it has been agreed that the English may write to their King as desired.
French, from a MS. at Vienna.
18 Nov.865. Francesco Casale to Peter Vannes.
R.O.Thanks him for his good offices, and desires to be put in favour with Cromwell. Rome, 18 Nov. 1538.
Hol., p. 1. Italian. Add.
866. Evesham.
R. O.Petition of the abbot and convent of Evesham to Cromwell as lord Privy Seal and Vicegerent that their monastery may be one of those which the King proposes to alter into educational establishments. It is the meetest house in all the country for such a purpose being situate in wholesome air in the town of Evesham, through which there is a great thoroughfare into Wales. Its buildings are well repaired, meet to receive the King and Court. It is within the principality of Wales and near where the Council of the Marches continues. It is also near Warwickshire where there is no monastery standing, and is exempt from the Bishop. It has always been noted for hospitality, is out of debt except to the King for part of the first fruits amounting to 800l., and there is no other monastery within 12 miles. The town is well inhabited and well repaired at the costs of the monastery, "wherein there is few inns and not able to receive and lodge all such noblemen as shall repair and resort to the same town, nor have any good provision for such purposes without the said monastery." And in the neighbouring country are many poor, needy, lame, and impotent persons, who daily receive succour from the monastery.
Large payer, p. 1. Endd.
19 Nov.867. Cranmer to Cromwell.
R. O.
C.'s Letters,
The King has sent him commandment to be with him tomorrow at 10, which he cannot do if he be with Cromwell at Stepney before 9. Dares not disappoint either of these commandments unless the King countermands it, and will therefore send to know his pleasure. Lamehith, 19 Nov.
Hol, p. 1. Add.: Lord Privy Seal. Endd.
19 Nov.868. Bishop Roland Lee to Cromwell.
R.O.Mr. Sulyard and I, as commissioned, have taken the surrender of Wigmore monastery, and committed the custody to my cousin Bradshawe, beseeching your remembrance of him for the farm. On the last taxation the demesnes were valued at 8l., and the parsonage, called Lentwarden, at 31. We must, for weighty causes, return to Scroysbury tomorrow, but will assure you of the state of the house as soon as we can. Except a little plate in the church there was nothing, the best of the vestments or copes was not "praisseyd" above 20s. Wigmore 19 November.
As to the abbot's matter, he has not yet made his answer and I doubt not he will make suit to you.
Hol., p. 1. Add.: Lord Privy Seal. Endd.
19 Nov.869. Austin Friars, Tick hill.
Rymer, xiv
Surrender of the priory and all its possessions, both in England the marches thereof and elsewhere. 19 Nov. 30 Hen. VIII. Signed by Ric. Robynson, prior, and seven others. [See Deputy Keeper's Eighth Report, App. ii. 45.]
Seal defaced.
Enrolled [Cl. Roll p. 5, No. 80] without mem. of acknowledgment.
19 Nov.870. Frances Basset to [Lady Lisle.]
R. O.My sister Philippe and I have received your letter of the 16th. I send you the things you have written for and the key of your coffer. My breast is somewhat amended, though I have had sore pain in it. Philippe still suffers from the ague. Send word whether you will have "the ground in the border of the long coshyn" (cushion) with the same green that is in it already, and send some blue for the inner part. Recommend me to my bedfellow Mr. Basset. I long much to hear from him. Calais, 19 Nov. "By your humble loving daughter, Frances Basset."
Hol., p. 1.
19 Nov.871. Lady Jane Clynton to Lady Lisle.
R. O.On Nov. 16 I received a gold cramp ring by Mistress Sakfyld, and the next day a ring with a stone by Smyth, a soldier of Calais, and on the 19th a letter from you by a servant of my daughter's. On Tuesday the 18th (fn. 11) inst., my Lord and all the Council dined with us. Mr. Wyngfyld and I desired greatly to have had your Ladyship, if it so might have been, but in your absence you were drunk to by my Lord and all your good lovers. My Lord said he thought the time long of your absence, and would for no good that you should lack him so long again. Master Wynkfeld, my daughter and her husband, master and mistress Hall, desire to be commended to you. Mistress Sayle (?) will be your workwoman now that your silk is come home. I am sorry my son has not seen your Ladyship since your being in London. It is a token that he has little love to me. 19 Nov. Signed.
P. 1. Add. On the back is a drawing of a stag and an oak branch.
20 Nov.872. Jewels.
MS. 7 C. xvi.
f. 57
B. M.
Memorandum by Cornelius Hayes of the receipt of certain diamonds and other jewels, from the King to be set in caskets, buttons or otherwise. Three separate deliveries are mentioned, the last being dated 20th Nov. Signed three times : Cornelis Haeys.
20 Nov.873. George Crofte.
R. O.20th Nov.—Croftes, examined what he meant by saying the Lord Delaware never wavered in the old opinions, says he meant opinions touching praying to saints, pilgrimages, purgatory, freewill, and justification. Signed: Per me Georgium Crofte.
P. 1. Mutilated.
20 Nov.874. Oliver Frankleyn.
R. O.Original of the deposition of Oliver Frankleyn, described in next No. Dated at the head, 20 Nov. 30 Hen. VIII. Signed: By Olyver Franklyn.
Pp. 2. Mutilated.
20 Nov.875. Examinations.
R. O.Oliver Franckeleyn, examined 20 Nov. 30 Hen. VIII, says that hearing Hugh Holland had carried the vicar of Est Mayn over seas he asked him whether it was true. Holland said that he had brought him over seas to Paris to school. Examinate answered, "I pray God his going over do no hurt." Says also that perceiving Holland frequently went over seas he said to him once, "I pray God all be well ye run so oftentimes over seas." Holland answered "The vicar of Est Mayne hath made me his factor and the lord Privy Seal knoweth that [he] is in Louvain at school, and is contented that I shall make his exchange for him." Says also that half a year ago or so, because the priest of Havant and one Wysedom had showed Sir Geoffrey Poole that they had been told by one Tyndall that Hugh Holland had been over seas with letters from the lady of Sarum and the said Sir Geoffrey Poole to the vicar of Est Mayne, Sir Geoffrey Poole showed this examinate of it. On which, the matter being inquired into [by] the bailey of Havant and nothing appearing, the said Sir Geoffrey, by counsel of this examinate, took the said Hugh Holland and one Ayer with him, and rode to the Lord Privy Seal; and at his return the said Sir Geoffrey showed this examinate that the lord Privy Seal was good lord to him and had despatched the said Ayar and Holland. Has heard divers men say since Reynold Poole was made Cardinal, "He shall be pope one day"; but cannot tell who said so. Has admonished lady Salisbury to beware of Sir Geoffrey Poole, saying, "I pray God, Madame, he do you no hurt one day." And being examined why, he replies, Not that he knew of any purpose of his to go over seas, "but because his stomach pave him (he knoweth not wherefor) that the said Sir Geoffrey should one day turn her to displeasure." Being asked what answer she made, says she said, "I trow he is not so unhappy that he will hurt his mother, and yet I care neither for him, nor for any other, for I am true to my Prince." Asked at what time he gave her this warning, says it was since Sir Geoffrey hurt himself in the Tower.
ii. Further examination of Collins, 20 Nov.:—Being asked what proceedings of this realm the Lord Montacute misliked and why he grudged at this world, says, for plucking down of abbeys and because words in certain cases were made treason, and because the King and the lord Privy Seal, he said, did favour no honest men, and would have none about them that would not do as they commanded. (fn. 12) Lord Montacute said this walking at Buckmar about the time of making of the said statute, and also in the same place about Ascension Day was twelve months. Being asked of the contents of the writings delivered to the vicar of Medmedham, and why he caused the said writings to be burned, answers, "There was one dialogue made by Thomas Lupset [the ar]gument whereof was of the obloquy against priests a[lso there] was divers sermons preached by this examinate, and no other writings." And he commanded all to be burned, because in one sermon there, preached by this deponent at Chichester before the statute abolishing the bp. of Rome's authority was made, certain things were written for maintenance of his authority. This was his only reason. Being examined with whom he has communed, that if any change should happen Lady Mary should have a title to the crown, he says, with no person, but it was a fancy of his own occasioned by a rumour spread at the death of the late Lady Anne that the King would take the said Lady Mary to favour again.
iii. Crofte's examination, 20 Nov., touching De la Warr's opinions as in No. 873.
Pp. 4. Slightly mutilated and injured by damp. With some marginal notes by Richard Pollard.
876. "Colyns' Last Confession."
R.O.A paper so much injured by damp that very little can now be read. The first page especially is quite unintelligible. On the second we read:— "to blind the peple (?) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . scheddynge off . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . wold ryse agayne . . . . . . . . . . trusted any such promises . . . . . . . . . . thought the same.
". . . . . also that the Kyng and the Lord Privy Seal lovyd . . . . . . no honest man nore none would have about [th]em but suche as were of their mind and would doo that thynge that they wold have them to doo, and that they had by promotion and rewards corrupted many [an h]onest mind of many [an] honest man."
On the third page the following fragmentary passage is visible:— (fn. 12) "turne ytt up . . . . . . . . the lorde . . . . . . . . askynge how he knew that . . . . . . . [an]seryd and sayd by ther . . . . . . . plas(?) that one off them dyd nat speke muche with the other but send now and then one to the other, and that was a token that they . . . . . to whom the lord Privy Seal schuld say Why thow vylen, woldes natt thow have one noble [ma]n to send to the other but yett said my lord . . . . . . . tt trust hym for al his sayinge and . . . . . . how I do send for al that. Whome I desy[red at] the reverens of God so to doo, and in so doynge he did wys[ely,] lest theroff myche hurt mought cum to theym both. And thys was sythe Mychaelmas that my lord . . . me than.
"Also when the rising was in the North as my lord . . . . . the hows off any . . . . tatyon wych was then . . . . lord sayd See yow thys how . . . . . .is the caus . . . . . . . . . . for they be natt contentyd [that the?] abbeys be suppressyd; and at that tyme he sayd that the noble . . . . . . openyon to . . . . that they mought iff they wold . . . . . . . . that were amys.
"[And a]fter the insurreccyon was done and pacyfy[ed] and the proinyses natt performed (?) that were noysyd [that there] schold [be] a parlyamect kept at York and they . . . . . . a reformation of ther requestes . . . . . . . . to . . . . . . my lord sayd that the tyme hath been when nothing was more surer to reken [upon than the] promyss offe a prynce, but now he sayd they . . . . . . . . . no promesse but as a . . . . ."
On the fourth page :—
"My Lorde . . . . . when the rising was in the North] that [the lord] Bargayney had ben . . . . . . . . . part wold have made the King a great . . . . . . . and Sussex, or have made a schrode fray and wysched suche a one to have ben alyve tha[n] for he was a valyant capytan.
"[He] sayd another tyme now at the later supressing [of] thes abbeys that whyt in a whyle he fear [ed t] hey wold put down the parryche churches . . to the wyche I answered that I flared the same."
[What follows is too indistinct to be intelligible.]
In Colyns's hand, pp. 4.
20 Nov.877. Doncaster, Grey Friars.
R. O.
xiv. 624.
Surrender (by Thos. Kyrkham, S. T. P., prior or warden, and the convent) of the house and all its possession in England and the marches thereof and elsewhere. 20 Nov. 30 Hen. VIII. Signed by Kyrkham and nine others, three of them notices. [See Deputy Keeper's Eighth Report, App. II. 19.]
Seal defaced.
Enrolled [Cl. Roll p. 5 No. 73] without mem. of acknowledgment,
20 Nov.878. Lord Lisle to Lady Lisle.
R. O.Has received her letter of the 14th. Is glad of the King's kindness shown her, not a little rejoicing to your friends and mine, and melancholy to our enemies. I trust the matter for your son John Basset will be at good stay, as he is young and will be able to recover it. Remits the affair of Paynswike to her discretion, trusting she will be no loser, according to the covenants with Sir John Dudley, and will make the writer true of his promise to the lord Privy Seal. "And where you write that I have partly broken promise with you that I would be at dinner every day by 10 of the clock, I have been so feasted by the wydwards of this town at Mr. Myglows with the mayor Mr. Wynkfeld, that I cannot mourn I y day, but in the night I swear God I sleep not one hour together for lack of you." Has no doubt my lord Privy Seal will be good friends with him; for what the King gave him, will thank none but the King and Cromwell. Received 60l. from Smith of the Staple to be repaid at St. Andrew's day. She is to treat him gently and get him to take it of Lisle's April payment. Would send her some French wine, but trusts she will be here. Mr. Porter expects to be lieutenant, under my lord Admiral, of the spears raised by the King in England. Her powder for the stone has saved Hyffeld's life, and the boys: he made no water from Friday night till Monday noon, who prayeth heartily for you. Phyllyps hath taken Jack's medicine and hath voided marvellously upwards." Will give her an account of all the expenses when she comes home. Would not be without her company so long for 100l. Calais, 20 Nov.
Hol., pp. 2. Add.
20 Nov.879. Lord Lisle to Lady Lisle.
R. O.Glad to hear that she has teen so well entertained by the King. Puts her in mind of one Lisle recommended in a letter of his own hand. Begs her to let Carey, who is coming over, have 40 sh. Sends 16 partridges. Calais, 20 Nov. Signed.
P. 1. Add. Endd. by Agard: "Nil valent, scrnt 4 Sept, 1612."
20 Nov.880. Wriothesley, Vaughan and Carne to Henry VIII.
R. O.
St. P. viii.
The Regent, arrived here at Brussels on Monday after All Hallowen day. Not to seem too eager in matters more for their commodity than ours we avoided sending to Court all Tuesday till almost night, trusting to her previous promise to enter as soon as she should return. Hearing that Arschot and Molembes were not the best disposed towards our proceedings, we wrote a letter to them to put the Queen in remembrance of our long being here, and insisting on the advantages of the alliance for the Emperor, and that it would be wrong to give you cause to think them unkind. Said this because their words have been gay and glorious. They are noted to be much French. Knew at the time that the duke of Arschot was not in the town, but pretending ignorance purposely directed it both to him and Molembes. Send copy translated into French. Received an answer to this from the Queen that she looked daily for the duke of Arschot with whom she would consult before entering into treaty and begged us to have patience. On Thursday came home to us Likerke, who was ambassador in France, and brought the same message. Pressed him, however, about our long being here without doing anything which touched your Majesty's honour, and he promised to speak with the Queen and get us an answer by Saturday whether the Duke came or not; which promise nevertheless he brake. Wrote to him then a letter of which we also send copy, and on Tuesday following the Queen sent him for one of us to speak with her. Nevertheless, thinking expedient that Wriothesley should go himself, though he was then sick, and on the other hand fearing that he might not understand some words, he took with him Vaughan and declared both to Likerke and the Queen the cause why they came. Likerke accompanied them to Court and dined with them. The Queen received them in a fair gallery, where, Wriothesley explaining his object and reason for bringing Vaughan with him, she enquired about his fever, and being told it still troubled him offered him her own physician or anything in her house; then, coming to business, said she had seen their sundry letters, and commended their diligence, but assured them there was no lack of instruction on her side, but she only waited for the Duke, who was delayed by sickness but would not fail to be here on Thursday or Friday. Begged her to take their urgency in good part, and said if they were sure to enter within two days more they agreed. "The woman is marvellous wise for a woman, and as it should seem of good disposition with it."
On Friday night Likerke came to us and said the Queen wished to see us on Saturday morning; when three gentlemen came for them, of whom the captain of Ayrie was chief, and brought them to the house of the duke of Arschot, whom they found, he having arrived the night before, and with him M. de Hostrate, an old father and as it appeareth very wise M. de Likerke and a doctor of law called Score. Wriothesley recapitulated the overtures for the two marriages and said the Emperor had also made a third overture, for a stricter amity, which the King took in good part. And though matters had not then come to a conclusion it appeared that both princes continued of the same mind, for the Emperor had renewed those overtures at Villa Franca and caused his ambassadors in England to declare the same. Desired accordingly to see their commission, and that they would deliver a copy of it offering to do the like. Said all this without interruption. The Duke replied that it was true the Emperor had made these overtures and was still willing to go through. He was sorry that (owing to his being ill) we had waited so long, hut trusted they should now proceed. He agreed to show the commission and give a copy on our doing the like. Here we took out our commissions on both sides and exchanged them to be looked at. We told them we were not satisfied with theirs, first because it was very general; 2nd, it was only to the Queen without any clause of substitution, so that they could have no power to treat with us. They said they thought their commission sufficient and though the 2nd objection was true they might be sure they would only act with the Queen's advice; but would move her for a "testimonial." Proposed then to enter on business and asked which of the three matters they should treat first, the straiter amity or one of the alliances. They said which we would. Wriothesley then proposed the marriage of Mary and Don Loys as one of the oldest overtures. They agreed to this and desired Wriothesley to explain the conditions required by the English. Began accordingly to recount to them the Emperor's overture of Milan, the sending of Wyatt with letters of credence of his own hand, and his words after his meeting with the French king, assuring the English of his constancy. Desired therefore that Don Loys might be invested in Milan and that the Emperor should be bound in the treaty to give him investiture by a certain day; declaring further, how at that overture the Emperor had promised to leave it to him well furnished without reserving anything to himself. This they thought so strange that they could not tell what to answer. Arschot said he had heard of no conclusion about it when he was in Spain, but he was told the overture had been made since. Finally, they said they would speak with the Queen and desired us to proceed to some other conditions. We said we would be glad to hear somewhat of them, but would not bargain. Next we said they must take the lady Mary in the state she is by the laws of the realm, unable to claim any title but such as your Majesty should give her in respect of this marriage: for you had full power by law to appoint a successor in the kingdom. They said they thought it unjust that the eldest daughter should be put behind the younger, but we answered that the law of the realm could not be changed. On this point also they wished to consult with the Queen and desired us to proceed further. We said we thought we had proceeded well to utter so much and hear nothing; but still we would go to the third condition and proposed that of the oath of Don Loys for the observance of our laws. They could say little to it except that it was unusual for princes to make any such promise till the time they took possession of their kingdoms. We said this covenant was devised for the benefit of Don Loys, for if there were any doubt he would observe the laws he might find more difficulty in enjoying his right. They said again they would consult the Queen and give us answer of all, once more desiring us to proceed. Said they pressed us too far. Why, said they, let us speak of the dote and dower. Said this could be easily arranged if "a state" were once made acceptable to their master. Then let us talk, said they, of the second marriage between the King and the duchess of Milan. Said we could be content to talk of all at once if they would be more frank, and with this they were stayed, saying they would advertise the Queen and make answer to every point. Here we would have departed, offering to repair after dinner to know their answer, but we could not be suffered to go till we had dined. So we tarried almost perforce, I, Wriothesley, not being well at ease, the Friday being my sick day. At dinner the Duke paid Wriothesley much attention. We had great fare, 4 courses and at least 10 dishes at each course, all served in silver. After dinner, desired to know when we should have answer. They promised by Monday or Tuesday at furthest. Prayed that it might be Monday to satisfy the King, and they agreed.
That Saturday night the marquis of Barrow supped with us; who said it was thought in these parts that all religion was extinct in England, that we had no mass, that saints were burnt, and all that was holy subverted. We declared in such wise the religion of your Majesty, the abuses of Canterbury, Boxley, and other places, that he seemed much to rejoice at the one and detest the other. On Sunday Likerke came to us and advised us on the Queen's behalf to be ready on Monday morning at 8 for further conference. At that hour three gentlemen came for us and brought us to Arscot's house, where we found the persons before mentioned. Arscot said they had consulted with the Queen, whose answer we should understand by Likerke. "And first having his book in his hand, whereupon he looked four or five times before he made an end of his tale, (and yet we assure your highness he is a man of an excellent tongue and no less wit nor experience, also of goodly and great personage) like a man in a shaking fever he declared unto us how that, whereas in our last conference we had conferred upon sundry matters whereof they had advertised the Queen, by whom in these and all other things they must be directed, her Grace's answer to every of the same was as followed." 1. That the Emperor was of no less towardness than your Grace, and she also desired much the conclusion of the alliances. As to her power, the Council found it good, but for your satisfaction if any good conclusions were come to, she would procure some other commission, but it was not usual to deliver copies. As to the offer of Milan to Don Loys, she knew the Emperor had made it, but it was limited to a certain time, within which your Majesty did not accept it and she could come to no resolution without reference to the Emperor. She thought the condition about the lady Mary strange, and that the Emperor could not agree to it. As to the oath to be made by Don Loys; it was no matter of treaty. Replied that we would not despair of these things coming to effect. Would not stand upon the objection to the commission, but wondered at their denial of a copy after their agreement the other day. Holstrate said it was not usual to deliver copies, and their agreement was "but upon the Queen." Said in that case we bound ourselves and left them free; nevertheless could not prevail. As to their declaration on the points of the marriage, said, as to the time having expired, the King had been willing to accept the Emperor's overture, but it failed even then for want of power on their part, and the Emperor renewed all the overtures on his return to Spain, being quite at liberty as regards France, with whom he had concluded nothing but a "triux merchant." They seemed to marvel at this and could make no answer, apparently for want of instructions. On the second point we wondered they stood so stiffly as it was a matter established by law; which they discussed a little. 3rdly, we wondered at their objection to the oath to be made by Don Loys being inserted in the treaty, if the treaty should enable him to succeed to the realm, and that your Highness insisted on it chiefly for the benefit of Don Loys. Report their discussion on this subject. As they insisted on referring to Spain, said we must refer to your Grace before talking of other points. They said they would speak to the Queen, and we departed to our lodging, being almost dinner time; yet before dinner Likerke came to us and said the Queen was very well content with our resolution and would stay all writing till we heard again from England. Invited Likerke to stay to dinner and after dinner we parted as friendly as could be. By bearer, Francis the courier, we have received your instructions which we trust we have "ensued" hitherto. Brussels, 20 Nov. Signed.
R. O.2. "The copy of the letter sent to Mons. de Arscot and Mons. de Molembeis."
Fr., pp. 2. Headed as above. Endd.: "Mr. Writhesles lettres and Mr. Vaughans."
R. O.3. English version of the same, headed by Wriothesley: "To the duke of Arskott and Mons. de Molembeys."
Pp. 2.
R. O.4. The copy of the letter sent to Mons. de Likerke.
Since Saturday last, have heard nothing from him in answer to their requests to know the day the Queen would appoint to treat of the matters for which they have come ; nor even in reply to the message sent to them at their lodging by Likerke himself, that her Grace had delayed entering into treaty with them in order to confer with the duke of Arschot, to whom she had written to come to Court, or at least send some reply to her Majesty, and that if neither one nor the other should come she would treat with us on those affairs that Saturday without further delay. The King thinks that as her Grace returned eight days since, the ambassadors must be fully entered on their business, although to say the truth they have been put off with gentle words. Are compelled therefore in their own vindication to inform the King of the state of matters which seems to indicate some coldness towards his Majesty, and (notwithstanding his great desire to embrace the overtures of the Emperor made to him long ago, and lately renewed by his Majesty by word of mouth to his ambassadors at Villa Franca) may occasion such delay as to ruin the whole business. Wish therefore for a definite reply before writing home.
French, pp. 3.
20 Nov.881. Wriothesley to Lord Lisle.
R. O.I thank you for my great cheer at my repair into these parts, and beg you to excuse my not having written oftener during this long absence, I have been so troubled with sickness and business. You are as far forward as my wife, to whom till now I have not written a word. I have a quartan fever, which on my sick day torments me badly. The second day makes me so feeble that I can do nothing, and the third day I am in such fear of the day following and must observe such diet that I live like one between this world and another. I hope before Christmas to see your Lordship. Commend me to my Lady. Brussels, 20 Nov. Signed.
P. 1. Add.: Deputy of Calais.
20 Nov.882. Stephen Vaughan to [Cromwell].
Galba B. x.
By this bearer we write to the King the whole discourse of our proceedings with the Queen of Hungary and her commissioners, since the time of her return from the interview. You will see how coldly they proceed with us. While the Queen was on her way hither after leaving the French king, the cowntie Palentyne and his wife were in w . . . . to go into Spain to the Emperor, but wherefore I cannot learn. I hear from the marquis of Barowe and other credible persons, that in Zeland, Holland, and these Base Countries, they will prepare 100 ships to go to the Emperor in Italy next February.
I thank your Lordship for having delivered 50l. to my wife. Expenses here are very great.
I fear in this matter we shall find them more subtile than trusty. I request you to obtain a discharge for me from the King for mine accounts made of the faculties. I have paid the auditor's fee. It is more chargeable, all things considered, than beneficial, which I hope you will one day remember, together with my long service.
I am well assayed here and my little knowledge of French well exercised, as you may perceive by the two translations we send with the King's letters. Brussels, 20 Nov.
Hol., pp, 2.
20 Nov.883. Card, of Brindisi and Fabius Mignanellus to Card. Farnese.
Mon. Vat.
In reply to letters of the 13th and 28th ult., mainly about the Lutherans.
The enormities which the king of England every day perpetrates were already heard of here, and his Majesty here is much displeased, showing that in due time and place he will not fail to assist the purpose of his Holiness. But the more the case of England grieves him the more pleased he is with the promotion of Signor Ottavio to the prefectura of Rome. * * * Vienna, 20 Nov. 1538.


1 Strype does not print the whole of this proclamation; the latter part of it will he found in Burnet. The substance of a large part is given in Wilkins iii. 847, from Foxe as if it was an original document; but the part relating to the marriage of the clergy Wilkins reprints (iii. 696) with an error in the date, from Anthony Harmer's (Wharton's) "Specimen of Errors."
2 For Lambert's former examination by archbishop Warham (in 1530–1, apparently, compare Wilkins in. 746) see Foxe v. 181.
3 See Cooper's Athenæ, i. 67.
4 Hertford and Bridgwater.
5 Ellis prints at the end of this letter an address which has got separated from it since: "To our singular good lord, the lord Privy Seal his good Lordship."
6 Words lost since the letter was printed by Ellis.
7 Supplied by conjecture.
8 Ellis could read "exam . . ." which is now invisible.
9 The "h" of h[ome] was visible to Ellis.
10 Meaning Humphrey Monmouth, late alderman of London, who died 23 Nov. 1537, and was buried at All Hallows, Barking. He left money by his will for 30 sermons instead of a trental of masses, and appointed Latimer as one of the preachers. See Wriothesley'g Chronicles, ii. 72.
11 Apparently an error for the 19th.
12 This passage greatly resembles the first intelligible paragraph in "Colyns's last confession" (No. 876). That, however, must hare been a separate document.