St. P., VIII.
246. The Council to Paget.
The King has received his of the 3rd inst. He commands them
to signify what has been done since last despatch. On Tuesday last,
the Ambassador met the Commissioners, and said he had received letters
from his master, who remained constant for this marriage, and, since
his former demands were thought too great, would ask things more base,
but marvelled that, in all these conferences, they made no offer at all.
That he should have no ground to charge them with such silence,
repeated their former offer in two parts, viz., 1st, that the King would
give his daughter in marriage to the duke of Orleans, and, 2nd, that he
would give her 200,000 crs. in dote; and asked what dower would be
given in return. He made no direct answer, but desired an audience
with the King, which was granted on "tenable" (Tenebrœ) Wednesday.
To the King he repeated his conference with the Commissioners, and,
asking him to take in good part what he proposed, said his master
would reduce his demand to the arrearages and the pension viagier, of
50,000 crs., leaving the pension perpetual. The King, in like manner
asking the French King and him to take his answer in good part, said
he marvelled at their demands, which appeared to be grounded rather
upon an unreasonable desire of gain than upon friendship; there was
great difference between marriage and amity, which was the ground
to produce marriage; even when the Emperor and the French King
were so great that all the world thought them one, he would not have
agreed to such a demand, and much less would he do so now, unless
he met with honest and friendly conditions; and therefore, if they
would proceed, let them ask what was reasonable for the matter treated.
The ambassador said this would augment the state of his daughter and
Orleans. The King replied that he loved his daughter well, but himself
and his own honor more; she was a king's daughter, as Orleans was a
king's son, and she had but one boy between her and the inheritance (if
upon contemplation of this match he so placed her), and therefore was
"another manner of piece," and not to be asked with such unreasonable
conditions. "Sir," quod he, "your Majesty offered us once large things
by my lord of Norfolk, and were then content also to have joined with
us in the war for Millayn." The King answered that he knew not
what Norfolk offered, but he knew what he commanded him to offer;
the French had one great fault, in that they ever told what was offered
them, but never "wherefor" it was offered. With the overture to join
with them for Milan it was demanded that they should relinquish the
bp. of Rome and bind themselves, friend to friend and enemy to enemy;
like overture was made to Pomerey for friend to friend and enemy to
enemy, and they would none of it, and now if they repented, let them
work more wisely. "Well, sir," quod the ambassador, "what shall I
write to the King my master ?" "I shall," quod the King, "devise with
my Council of this matter these holydays and then I shall give you
This Tuesday, "we, the lord Privy Seal, the bishops of Durham and
Winchester and Sir Thomas Wriothesley met the said ambassador at
Hampton Place," and gave him the King's answer, as follows :—1. He
thanked his good brother for his affection, and was, for his part, of
as good inclination again. 2. He was sorry the purpose could not take
effect with the conditions proposed, for the demands were quite unequal
and showed rather a desire of gain than an establishment of friendship.
3. He desired his good brother to consider "at what time these covenants
were made, what bonds there be for the performing of them, and
what benefit he and his have taken by them." 4. That, in times past,
to attain these demands, other "manner of offers" were made at
Boulogne, Calais, and, after, by Monsr. l'Admiral. 5. When the Emperor
invaded Province, the French King took most gratefully the forbearing
of the pension for certain months, as may be proved both by report
and writing. 6. Considering the King's long forbearance of it notwithstanding
his excessive charges in fortifying his realm and marches,
the payment of a good piece of it now would be thankfully accepted.
7. Finally, although as affectionate to his good brother as one prince
may be to another, and esteeming his daughter as beseems a good and
kind father, he cannot, with honor, condescend to these unreasonable
demands without some other reciproque than a bare marriage; and
therefore let them ask reasonably for the marriage, and for the rest
devise a reasonable reciproque.
The ambassador seemed doubtful what a reciproque meant, so they
told him that the marriage weighed not so heavy as the things he
demanded; a reasonable part should be asked for the marriage, and the
rest paid or else some just recompense devised for it. The Commissioners
afterwards, as of themselves, said they noted an unfriendly
forgetfulness of things passed; for, although greater bonds could not be
devised than were used at the conclusion of the perpetual peace and
greater grounds for thankful repayment could not be, he seemed to
make it less than ready money. Here he broke the tale, "which was
devised longer, if he would have heard the whole," by saying he "could
not abide to hear his master noted of ingratitude." Explained that it
was not his master but himself that seemed to take the debt for paper
rather than ready money; and dilated further the grounds of it. He
then expounded his meaning by reference to his master's continual wars
and "our full purse by reason of our quiet;" and they parted friendly.
All this is to be explained to the Admiral and to the French King
or any of his Council who may speak of the matter.
Draft with corrections in Wriothesley's hand, pp. 36. Endd. :
"Minute to Mr. Paget xijo Aprilis ao rr. H. VIIIi. xxxiijo."
Calig. E. IV.
2. Original letter of which the preceding is the draft. Dated
"Greinwiche the xijth daye of [April in] the xxxiijth yere of the Kinges
Majesty's mo[st] prosperous reign." Signed by Suffolk, Southampton,
Sussex, Hertford, Russell, Durham, Winchester, Westminster, Browne,
Wingfield, Gage, Baker, Wriothesley, Sadleyr and Dacres.
Much injured by fire, pp. 11. Add. Endd. : From the King's
Counsail, the xijth of April.
247. The Privy Council to Paget.
"Master Paget," albeit we have dispatched by your servant our
whole conference with the French ambassador, whereby you may declare
the truth to Mons. l'Admiral or others, yet as the said ambassador did
gently offer to send by his post such letters as the King would write
to you, we thought meet for his satisfaction to write you these few
words. Be very vigilant how they take this advertisement, and, in your
conference with the Admiral and otherwise, urge them to proceed roundly
and without delay.
Corrected draft in Wriothesley's hand, pp. 2. Endd. : Minute to
Mr. Paget, xiijo Aprilis 1542.
Calig. E. IV.
2. Original letter of which the preceding is the draft. Dated
London, 13 April. Signed by Southampton, Winchester and Wriothesley.
P. 1. Mutilated. Add. (on f. 135).
248. Marillac to Francis I.
Since last instructions received by the bearer, (fn. 1) following Norfolk's
parting counsel, between his meetings with the deputies for this marriage
he took occasion to speak with this King. As the language held to him
has been very divers, sometimes encouraging hope and sometimes the
reverse, he writes the whole substance. To begin with the King; to
get him to declare what parti he would make to his daughter, as the
deputies had offered 200,000 cr. or 300,000 cr., and it rested with
Marillac to continue the subject, made demand in accordance with his
previous letters, save that, instead of speaking of the 50,000 cr., he
demanded some aid for the recovery of Milan, and acquittance of the
surplus due upon the treaty of 1525, in consideration of advantages
to be granted to Orleans. As, at the outset, this King said the demand
was excessive and unusual, Marillac graciously begged him to consider
that, without his altering the decisions of his Parliament and entering
further disputes with his people, the lady would be accepted if delivered
as legitimate, and that he could marry her so high with only an
acquittance of old debts most of which were left by Francis's predecessors.
Reminded him, finally, of his honourable offers at Doullens, by
Norfolk, and that if he meant to assist Francis to the recovery of
Milan he ought the more readily to do so for his son-in-law, and the
increase of his daughter's estate; still, that aid was left to his discretion,
for if he knew Orleans he would certainly grant it of his own accord.
In reply he said some things which seem worthy to be weighed, as
well for respect of this alliance as for other affairs which should have
to be treated. In substance he said, after desiring that Francis would
take his frankness in good part, that he found it strange that in this
overture and alliance which tended to closer amity Francis should desire
principally to be quit of him, as if wishing rather to be discharged than
to enter into closer amity, adding that he would sooner grant what
Francis required by another way, for the sole sake of friendship, than
as his daughter's dot. Besides, knowing how much fathers were accustomed
to give with their daughters, and that 300,000 cr. was formerly
settled for this lady's marriage with the Dauphin, then duke of Orleans,
he would have it considered that his daughter could do more for Orleans
than Orleans for her, inasmuch as she had before her only the prince
of Wales, "en si baseage qu'on peut estimer n'estre encores que rozee (?)"
and he himself was old and resolved not to marry again. To that
Marillac said that Orleans had likewise only one brother; but he replied
that the Dauphin was married with hope of having children of this wife
or another; repeating twice or thrice that if he thought Orleans should
come to his brother's estate he would not hear of delivering his daughter
to him, for he wished him for a son-in-law as duke of Orleans and not
as Dauphin : the offers made by Norfolk were on condition of being
friend to friend and enemy to enemy, which Francis would never accept,
not expecting that he (Henry) would be able to aid him as much as
he is. He returned always to the same point that to demand such
great sums, and especially his life pension, only as dot seemed rather an
overture to diminish their amity than to draw it closer.
Replied that Francis could think of no better way of perpetuating
it than, by such an alliance, to make it pass from the fathers to the
children. It proved his zeal for this alliance that when the Emperor's
affairs were prosperous he never sought it, and never ratified the overtures
made by Marillac privately ("par moy en qualité de prince et
moy d'ambassadeur," qu. "par moy en qualité de privé et non
d'ambassadeur" ?) until after the Emperor's rout at Algiers. And
finally, if the demands seemed too great, although they were only for
an acquittance, he should take it that this would give the Emperor no
leisure to make himself monarch of Christendom, and the war would
be not only for the lands he detained from Francis but also for the
surety of England, against which the Emperor would turn his designs
as soon as he agreed with Francis.
The conclusion was that he would declare his resolution in a few
days. On the appointed day, which was the day before yesterday, the
deputies being assembled, Winchester, speaking for all, after the customary
prefaces of his master's affection, confirmed what the King had
said, adding that the King was sorry he could not grant what Francis
required, for his reputation would suffer if he bought the alliance so
dearly and it would be thought that the great advantage obtained, rather
than desire for closer amity, moved Francis to procure this marriage;
it should be considered that at the time of the treaty of 1525, although
they might have required reimbursements of their expenses in contributing
to the Emperor's war against Francis and pretended that
Francis was partly their prisoner, yet, for his deliverance, they demanded
only what was clearly due; also that a more reasonable overture for
this acquittance had formerly been made (the Admiral and the Chancellor
would recollect when they came to Calais); that Francis should
consider how his good brother had supported him by not demanding
what was due, although there had been need of it, and still would be,
to finish the fortifications now commenced; and that if Francis would
pay a part of this debt it would both give pleasure and be a demonstration
of true brotherhood, which would bind Henry to aid him in
the future as in the past. After Marillac had replied as seemed best,
which would be too long to write, the lord Privy Seal began to explain
the last conception of his King, viz., that he would acquit a part of
what was demanded, provided that a reciprocal was found for the rest.
As these words seemed obscure, and Marillac said he could not understand
what reciprocal they meant, unless it was that, for this acquittance,
Francis should assign sufficient revenue to Orleans and his future wife
in the quality of the appanages of the sons of France, they (the deputies)
said, as of themselves, that it would be [made] in paying the rest or
making some overture for closer amity. Could get nothing further
from them except that they said it would be well understood in France
what they meant.
From the language held here it may be inferred that there are some
maxims which render the English difficult about this alliance. 1. The
first is that, since the Dauphin has no issue, they fear both Crowns
may come to one King; as Norfolk said in the North at the commencement
of this affair that this made them resolve that the Emperor should
not have the lady. 2. They consider that Orleans may come to the
Crown of England, and therefore should be content with a less parti,
for doctors say that this young prince of Wales is not of constitution
(composition) to live long and they see that this King, whether he
re-marries or remains a widower, as he proposes, will not have other
issue. 3. They think Francis will not pass this year without making
war on the Emperor, and therefore should be content with less, both
for need of their succour and to avoid having two enemies at once. To
obviate this, Francis might declare to their ambassador that he is
resolved not to enter war against the Emperor unless he is assured
of his good brother's aid; for the mere show of wishing to live at
peace would move them to offer more. Not to break off altogether
one of two courses must be taken, viz., either to treat at Francis's disadvantage
or to temporise 15, 20 or 30 days on pretext of saying that
the demands are more than reasonable, since it is only a question of
an acquittance, or else that Francis sees no other overture that could
be made to extinguish the rest unless it be to employ it in the recovery
of Milan. They would then probably make the said overture themselves,
especially as they do not intend to grant the lady to the Emperor, and
will not disburse money when they can place her by the mere acquittance
of a debt which they never hope to recover. At the worst, if they
remain obstinate for the overture to be made by Francis, he can propose
several partis for the surplus which they will not grant as dot. They
have always grown cold as we grew hot, and when we were silent they
have resumed the subject; and, therefore, we could only gain the point
by seeming little eager for it. Marked as sent by Jehan. (fn. 2)
French. Two modern transcripts, pp. 12 and pp. 10. Headed :
13 Avril 1542.
St. P., III.
249. Henry VIII. to the Deputy and Council Of Ireland.
Has received their letters of 9 Jan. (fn. 3) and the writings sent therewith,
showing their proceedings with Oneil and the articles he has
subscribed. Marvels at Oneil's desire to have the name and honor of
Ulster, being one of the great earldoms of Christendom and of the
King's inheritance, and also at their thinking such desire reasonable.
Rather than that any who have offended should so indent with him
"at their own wills," the King will provide for their correction as an
example to others; but, as Oneil seems repentant and determined to
live as a good subject, the King will, if he submit to take such name
and lands as may be granted him, show him that he has met with a
merciful prince. Leaves the matter here, requiring them to digest his
mind and show it to Oneil, and learn whether he will be conformable
or, by his obstinacy, force the King to make him an example to the
rest of Ireland.
Has received their letters of 31 March and approves their proceedings
in the Parliament at Limerick and with Obrien. Is content to give
Obrien the religious houses in his country, to be suppressed by Royal
commission, and included in the letters patent of the gift of Thomonye.
He should make suit for some honour, for if he is to repair to Parliament
he must be a peer. Qualifies the article in his submission as to the
steward of "Thomonys" share in the forfeiture of the captain there.
Desires the Deputy to appoint some learned man to Limerick, and thanks
him for his diligence. Is glad the earl of Desmond frames himself so
Robert Cowley, late Master of the Rolls there, at his late repair hither,
came without the Deputy's licence, having no cause but such as he might
have written, since it plainly "was void of all malice." Though it
behoves men in authority to give no occasion to captious persons to
misjudge their words, yet, as Cowley appears to be a seditious and
contentious man, he is discharged of his office of Master of the Rolls
and Sir Thos. Cusake appointed. A bill to that effect is to be sent
hither for signature. Sends by bearer, Wm. Dormer, servant and deputy
to the lord Admiral, 2,461l. 12s. for payment of the army. Has inserted
the name King of Ireland in his style (cited) and directs them to alter
the King's seals there accordingly. Although Tirlowe Othole had not
his letters patents out for the lands the King gave him, his heirs shall
have the lands.
Draft, with corrections and the last sentence in Wriothesley's hand,
pp. 30. Endd. : "Minute to the Deputy and Council in Ireland, xiiijo
Aprilis ao rr. H. VIIIv. xxxiijo.
442, f. 179.
Writ for a proclamation against taking hawks' eggs or bringing up
young hawks by hand without licence; as the numbers of "goshawkes,
tarssells, lavardes and lavarettes" are being seriously reduced. Westm.,
16 April 33 Hen. VIII.
Modern copy, pp. 2.
VI. I., No. 244.
251. Chapuys to Charles V.
Received the Emperor's letter of the 14th ult. on Easter eve.
Sent to inform the King, who, on account of the festival, delayed
audience till Monday, when he recited the contents of the first letter
and placed it afterwards in the King's hands, who was greatly pleased.
Said he had another letter of one day's later date, (fn. 4) and enlarged on the
contents of both. When the King wondered that Chapuys had no news
of the end of the conferences between Granvelle and the bp. of Winchester,
Chapuys attributed it to the Algiers expedition, the meeting of
the Cortes of Castile, the Emperor's overwhelming business in the
administration of so many kingdoms, and finally the delay of Granvelle's
arrival. Besides which the Emperor had expected that Master
Guenebet (Knyvet), who had been the bp.'s colleague, would have been commissioned
to report home the issue of the conferences. The King seemed
satisfied for awhile, though he said there was no need of instructing
Granvelle to speak to the Pope in his favor, and said Granvelle had
treated many things at Rome disagreeable enough to him. Chapuys
assured him he had neither said nor done anything to his disadvantage,
and the King replied that he was not aware that he had, else he should
have resented it.
In conversation the King abruptly told me he suspected stratagem
in my saying that the instructions and powers to treat of his marriage
had been sent to the Queen of Hungary by the Mediterranean, and that
the object was to delay and spy out his own intentions; that he has
been deceived many a time both by the Emperor and by the French,
and those who treated with him now must proceed without dissimulation.
Answered that the voyage by the Levant (sic) was more convenient
as the instructions must be revised by Granvelle, who was in Italy,
and inspected by the Regent and Council in Flanders, and was even the
shorter at this season; that his suspicions of the Queen of Hungary were
unfounded, and that never was the Emperor more straightforward. Moreover,
as the mutual distrust about France had disappeared, begged him
to speak confidentially, as if Chapuys were his subject, and Chapuys would
not only write home what he pleased, as if the idea originated with himself,
but would renounce the privileges of an ambassador and submit
to punishment if he abused his trust. Saw the King's face expand at
this and his eyes glitter. Added that there was no occasion to wait for
further powers, &c.
Is encouraged by the lord Privy Seal, who understands the King's
temper better than any man in England and Secretary Waist (sic, for
Wriothesley)—both much attached to the Emperor—to believe it will
not be difficult to persuade the King to take the affair in hand, and that
he had half decided to do so when he despatched the bp. of Winchester
to the Emperor. The King at first did not answer his peroration, but
remained thoughtful, sighing frequently, as he had done during
Chapuys's speech. At last he wondered there was no news from Spain,
and when Chapuys told him of the grant of the Cortes, said he believed
it was conditional on the Emperor not leaving Spain, for which reason
he was negociating a marriage with a princess of Portugal. He also
said the Emperor might have fought the Turk to greater advantage last
year, as he had been advised by the English ambassador. Gives his
own answer, vindicating the Emperor's policy at some length. The King
then asked what other news he had. Related what had come from
Italy, to see how far he was leaning to France, and said he had
letters from Milan, declaring that the people were on friendly terms
with the French in Piedmont, who bragged that Henry
was offering them the hand of the Princess his daughter
and requesting Francis for an interview. The King started,
and said, "They are very much mistaken. It is the King of France
who urges me to marry his daughter, and offers to come to see me at
Calais when the contract has been concluded." Replied that no doubt
the French King would promise anything, and would like also to come
to Calais with great force to drive him out of it. Reminded him, also,
of the words of the bp. of Tarbes that France would never have sought
alliance by marriage with Savoy except to encroach upon the duchy.
Spoke then of the Diet of Spires, saying that he had a letter from Ferdinand
charging him to tell the King that he (Ferdinand) had no doubt
Henry would assist against the Turk. The King answered nothing, but
seemed to assent.
After an hour and a half's conversation the King said he heard that
Charles was soliciting the friendship of King Francis through the Pope's
mediation. Said he knew nothing of that, but, even if it were true, it
would be best to begin treating at once in London. "Very well," said
the King, "I shall now read the letters you have brought from the Queen
Regent, and when I have laid them before the Council you shall have
an answer." Soon after leaving, received a message from the King to
communicate what he had said to the Privy Councillors, and did so,
offering every assistance in sending messengers to the Emperor, and to
go himself if necessary. The Council showed great satisfaction at this.
Next day, Tuesday, they sent to invite Chapuys to dinner next day,
desiring him to bring his powers and other papers with him. Went
therefore to Greenwich again on Wednesday, but when about to exhibit
his power found his secretary had taken another document instead. The
Council, however, accepted his explanation, and so did the King when
told of it. Being asked to proceed, suggested that the King might
appoint one or two to negociate with him; on which the lord Privy
Seal and Wriothesley went to the King, who quite approved, but as
Suffolk, the Privy Seal, Winchester and Wriothesley were much engaged
he deputed the Admiral, the bps. of Durham and Westminster and
Secretary Sadler to call and dine with him next day (Thursday). Exhibited
his powers to them accordingly after dinner, and being asked
if he had any overtures to propose said he had no new declaration to
make, but the King must have sufficiently thought over the subject
when he despatched Winchester, (fn. 5) and on receipt of instructions from the
Emperor he would speak freely. Meanwhile the King, if he wished to
avoid delay, could make known part of his intentions; which being
unknown, his instructions had been framed, as it were at random. For
his own part could only go back to the basis of the four articles already
proposed; of which the two first, concerning the King's reconciliation
with Rome and the Princess's legitimation might remain as they were
till further instructions; as to the 3rd for aid against the Turk, it was a
most appropriate time to discuss it, as the King had expressed his
willingness; and as to the 4th about the French, the Emperor had made
a truce with them, so the case was altered. (fn. 6) On the deputies asking
how long that truce would last, said he believed the Emperor might, if
he pleased, bring on a rupture at once, for the French would break it as
soon as they found it convenient.
Yesterday, Saturday the 15th, the deputies came again, bringing the
Emperor's letter of the 5th inst. (fn. 6) Informed them of part of the contents
and was particular in praising the honesty of Master Guennebet, with
whom, for some reason, the King does not seem to be pleased just now.
They then said the King thanked Chapuys for his good will and, although
he had no sufficient powers, was unwilling to suspend the negociations.
He therefore intimated to him (1) that as to confirmation of past treaties,
it was not needful; indeed he did not consider those old treaties valid,
for, while they had been scrupulously kept on his side, the Emperor
had broken them by the edict against English vessels lading goods in
Flanders, of which the deputies urged him to obtain the repeal, denouncing
it with all the vehemence of the note presented by the bp.
of London, and arguing that it could not proceed from the Emperor
as the like had not been done in Spain : (2) that, as confirmation of old
treaties was unnecessary, the King wished to hear overtures from
Chapuys if he was free to make any, adding that as to the four articles,
he was wise in not pressing the first two, and for the two others they
might discuss them as long as they pleased, provided it was understood
that he was now on friendly terms with every reigning Sovereign,
especially King Francis and the King of Scotland, and if he were to
enter into a league against the former, he should require compensation
for the loss of his annual pensions from France. As to the other point,
about the Turk, he could not touch upon it till the principal one was
settled. Answered, as to the edict, that they were not justified in again
urging its revocation, as they had not been able to answer Chapuys's
arguments given in writing last summer, and showed that their own
statutes were a breach of the treaties, and had obliged many of the
Emperor's subjects to quit England, and those who remained to take
out letters of naturalisation at excessive cost, besides compelling them
to take a strange oath of fealty to the King. Moreover, they had forbidden
the exportation of almost every commodity, and they ought to
be very grateful to the Emperor, then absent from Spain, that he had
not resorted to retaliatory measures, as Chapuys believed he would
be obliged to do in the end, even if it were only to increase the Spanish
navy and repair the losses sustained at Algiers. At this the deputies
stood amazed and silent.
As to France, Chapuys said there was no talk of an offensive league,
so there was no need of talking about compensation for non-payment
of pensions, but by the treaty of Cambray the King was obliged in
case of a defensive war to assist the Emperor at his own cost. And,
even if an offensive league were in question, the Emperor was not
responsible for the French debt, which the King knew quite well that
the French will never pay. Yet, if an offensive league were treated,
Chapuys would venture to say, though he had no such charge, that the
Emperor would from that time take upon him the charge of Henry's
indemnity, provided nothing was still due for arrears; and he might
also say that the King ought, in conscience, years ago, to have assisted
the Emperor, as the French had made war with his money and he had
not attempted to recover his due. As the French are not making such
great offers here as the English pretend, thought it well to be cooler
as he went on, and said if they wished to know the Emperor's intentions
they must wait till Chapuys received instructions, which he was afraid
Granvelle would not be able to despatch very soon, as he was on his way
to the Emperor's Court when Chapuys applied for them; but this
mattered little as the bp. of London had a mandate from the King on
the same subject.
Thinks it will be difficult for the Emperor to bring the King to a
treaty except on terms very advantageous to himself, and then it might
do more harm than good. Believes he will remain neuter. Does not
think the mission of Mons. de Courrieres will do any good till the affair
here is in good train. Has written to Secretary Bave and sent him the
names of Privy Councillors here, to whom letters should be addressed
by the Queen Regent. The French ambassador called on Tuesday on
the lord Privy Seal and next day on the King, with whom he had a
pretty long audience, just when the most friendly of the Privy Councillors
were complaining of not hearing from the Imperial Court. The
French ambassador had determined to go to Court on Easter Monday,
but put it off, knowing that Chapuys was going, and next day, hearing
that the lord Privy Seal and two or three more Councillors had come
to town he called on them. He then wrote a despatch, the contents
of which his man reported to Chapuys, speaking of the good reception
Chapuys had met with, who had gone to Court on business touching
Flanders, especially the prohibition; for Chapuys had purposely spread
the rumour and intimated it to a person employed by the French ambassador
as a spy upon him. He had also written home that the English
were the strangest people, they urged matters with so much warmth
and then afterwards cooled, but if they made themselves cold to him
they would find him frozen. He is commissioned to demand for the
Princess 500,000 ducats of dower and the extinction of all pensions,
but has not yet dared to make his demand for fear of irritating these
people. It is very provoking, he writes, that Norfolk has now retired to
his house in the country without much likelihood of his returning to
Court unless Parliament re-assembles, and he has to negociate with the
Privy Seal, whose name is Feu Vuillem (called Faulx Villain by the
ambassador) of whom he has circulated a report that Norfolk had said,
"See this little villain; he wants already to engross everything and do
like Cromwell, but in the end he will pay for all."
Will do his best to prevent the King taking Anne of Cleves again;
but as yet there is no appearance of it. Indeed, except that he frequents
ladies' company for mirth, as a man nurtured among them, he seems not to
think of a new marriage. He has been low-spirited ever since he heard
of the late Queen's misconduct. Anne has recovered from her tertian
fever, but the Princess suffers still from palpitation of the heart. It
has been mooted in this Parliament for lords and rich gentlemen,
exclusive of Churchmen, to keep horses each according to his means.
The King has forborne from pressing the demand for another aid, but
is getting a loan which will bring in a great sum. First on the list are
the two dukes (Norfolk and Suffolk) 6,000 ducats each, though both are
known to be poor; then the Chancellor and lord Privy Seal 4,000l.
each, the lord High Admiral 3,050l., &c. The collector pretends that
it is to help the Emperor against the Turk. Count Louis (sic) Rangone
has been presented by this King with a large gilt cup and 400 ducats.
Some who have talked with him think he came more to see the King and
country than to complain of the Pope, as he has done, for having deprived
him of certain castles in the Parmegiano belonging to his late wife.
London, 16 April 1542.
From the Vienna Archives.
VI. I., No. 245.
252. Chapuys to Granvelle.
. . . . . Thanks God for his prosperous voyage to Spain.
Refers for news to his despatch to the Emperor. Begs him, for pity, to
get the treasurers to pay his arrears. Has been here nearly twenty
years (fn. 8) , and is as poor now as when he first came, having besides mortgaged
much of his own property. London, 16 April 1542.
From the Vienna Archives.
VI. II., No.
253. Mary Of Hungary to Chapuys.
Understands how he is prevented from fulfilling the charge
entrusted to him in the Emperor's letter of the 14th ult. by the English
objecting to his powers from her as insufficient. Cannot add, however,
anything to the instructions in her letter of the 31 March, till she hears
from Spain. Chapuys must temporise; he will not require to wait
long, as Granvelle has already left Piedmont for the Emperor's Court.
He may mention this as an excuse; also the fact of a Spanish courier
despatched to Piedmont with letters for the Emperor's lord Privy Seal
having been arrested in France, and that another who went to Italy
by sea found on landing at Genoa that the lord Privy Seal had already
sailed for Spain, so that the letters were returned by the Imperial
Hears, however, that in the last Parliament it was determined to
forbid export of valuable woollen cloths unless prepared, dyed and
dressed, which will be to the damage of the merchants of these Low
Countries, and will probably be a check to the proposed closer alliance.
Chapuys must find out about this, and if he find it advisable make
representations. Brussels, 19 April 1542.
From the Vienna Archives.
Calig. E. IV.
254. [Paget] to the Council.
His wit is too simple to judge these men "of long and great
practice" and therefore he has described (fn. 1) the Admiral's countenance
and words at length so that their "Lordships" may themselves interpret
them. "I noted th' Admirals countenance moc[he and could] not perceyve
hym therby moved at any thing [I] sayd, saving that he many
times would fetch gr[eat sighs ?]; nor he never brake my hole tale by
mov. . . . vehement affectes nor answered rowndly to any [of the
poyntes that I ?] mijght seme to have pickd. I [think] hym moche desyros
that this matter should g[o forward], and I think so be but a few eles (else)
of the counsail h[ere], for th' be all Papistes and feare the sequele therof;
from whom by alliklyhode he kepith this treaty as moche as he canne,
but yet they know it and I know it from the mowth of one of that sort
and undoubtedly they do what they can, as I know by one very secret
wt som of them, to empeche the conclusion wt you by sundry practi[ses]"
* * * "[Chab]liz the xixth of April."
Draft in Paget's hand, pp. 2. Much injured by fire. Endd. : A
Chabliz. To the Counsail, xixo Aprilis.
Harl. MS. 283,
255. Henry VIII. to Lord Cobham.
Having special trust in his fidelity, zeal and obedience, has
appointed the abp. of Canterbury and Sir Thos. Cheyney, treasurer of
the Household, to open certain things to him "touching us and the wealth
and surety of this our realm." Requires him to give them credence.
Greenwich, 20 April 33 Hen. VIII. Signed with the stamp at the head.
P. 1. Add.
Collection of 47 original privy seals of the Court of Augmentations,
all dated 20 April 33 Hen. VIII. and directing the persons
addressed to pay amounts, due from them to the Crown, entered among
arrears due at Mich. 33 Hen. VIII. Most of them bear notes of further
proceedings taken. To the 27th is attached a statement by James
Nedam, clerk and surveyor of the King's works, of the lead he has taken
from St. Mary Spytall, Halywell and Clerkenwell for the repair of the
roof of Westminster Hall, by indentures with Thos. Spylman, one of the
receivers of the Augmentations, dated 1, 6 and 9 July 32 Hen. VIII.
Among them (as the 47th) is preserved a receipt dated 15 Dec. and 4
Jan. 31 Hen. VIII. by Thos. Megges, of Downham in the Isle of Ely, of
rents of the King's manors of Brenekester, Helgay and Popynho, Norf.,
The persons addressed are Sir Edw. Crofte, the vicar of St. Lawrence
in Norwich, the master of the Savoy, Wm. Burche, Thos. Darcye, esq.,
Wm. Bolton, Thos. abp. of Canterbury, the sheriff of Worcester, the
collector of rents of Barton Regis, Glouc., John Hunteley, Ric. Devorox,
Thos. and John Stydolff, Thos. Delaryver, Wm. Acombe, the bailiff of
Thetford, Sir Wm. Shelley, the parson of St. Peter's in Bedford, the
wardens of Thorneton College, Linc., the executor of Ric. Lyndesell,
Edw. late abbot of Hulton, the vicar of Weston, John Byrkehed, Walter
lord Ferrers, the master or warden and fellows of Queen's College in
Cambridge (two), Jas. Nedeham, John Onley, the late prior of Rochester,
the wardens and masters of the Fishmongers and Grocers of London,
Ric. Morys, Sir Thos. Cheyney, Roger Chaloner and others, Ric. Pappwourthe,
Ric. Eston, Ric. Oglesthorpe, Ambrose Champneis, the parson
of St. Martin's in the Vintry, Thos. Taylor (assignee of John Hale), Geo.
Warrenner, Thos. Thompson and Ralph Chaveney, Ric. Dobbes; Dr.
Spencer, master of the college called the Chapel in the Field beside
Norwich; the heirs of Nic. Wode; Ric. Drurye.