444. The Privy Council.
Meeting at Hampton Court, 1 July.—Present : Norfolk,
Southampton, Sussex, Hertford, Russell, Durham, Winchester, Gage,
Browne, Wingfield, Wriothesley, Sadler. Business :—Recognisance (cited)
of Edm. and Charles Fox to attend every Sunday.
445. The Loan.
Acknowledgment of receipt, 1 July 34 Hen. VIII., by Thos. Holcroft,
of 5 privy seals to be employed about the King's loan in co.
P. 1. Endd.
446. Negotiations with Charles V.
[A statement of the progress of negociations with the Emperor's
ambassador giving in parallel columns the past and present position upon
each article, viz. :]
1. The ambassador would not insert the articles of the treaty of Cambray,
but only a confirmation; we standing to have them inserted. He
2. He desired Spain in like condition for defence as the Low Countries,
"which we would in no wise condescend unto, albeit he offered Ireland
for reciproque." We have agreed to put in Spain and Navarre, having
Ireland for reciproque.
3. "It was agreed there should be a defence of mlml. men given upon
the sea to be ordered by th' Admiral of the Prince desiring it besides
the iij. ml. horsemen and iij. ml. footmen;" and in case of joint invasion
for offence each prince to put 3,000 to sea under his own admiral; "or
money, &c." We desire to have this article couched, "That whensoever
either prince shall have war," the other, upon intimation thereof,
shall send 2,000 men to sea, to guard it.
4. The ambassador would not fix a time for their invasion but refer
it to the princes. "We desire to have a time prefixed." (fn. 1)
5. The ambassador stood to have the article of rebels "couched as it is
in Cambray," we to have it as it is with France. "He is content to have it
as it is with France, having the names of them that be already and a time
for the banishment of them."
6. The ambassador would not agree to the 3,000 horse and 3,000 foot
demanded in lieu of the pension. He now grants to 2,000 of each;
whereto the King has relented.
7. "The ambassador desired an article for Gueldres and Denmark, which
we denied." He stands to it, but is content "to put it into a generali[ty]
and make to it reciproque for both parties."
8. "Th'ambassador desireth to have the defence cease when the invasion
shall be made by both parties." "We deny [it, becau]se [it] was
otherwise agreed before."
"His demand for aid against the Turk."
In Wriothesley's hand, pp. 3. With marginal headings and notes.
Endd. : Discourses with th' ambassador before my Lord of Westminster's
going into Spayn.
St. P., IX.
447. Negotiations with Charles V.
Instructions for the bp. of Westminster.
To address himself to the Emperor's Court, in Spain, communicate
these instructions to "the Right Reverend, &c.," (fn. 2) the King's
ambassador there; and, with him, procure audience, present his credence
and declare that, where, upon sundry communications of the Emperor
and Grandevela with Winchester and Sir Hen. Knevet, and with the
bp. of London, since his arrival there, the Emperor lately sent commission
to Chapuys, and the King appointed certain Commissioners, of
whom he (Westminster) was one, these Commissioners for both parties
have grown very near to a conclusion, and, at Chapuys's request, the
King sends the treaty they have framed, in order that the Emperor may
go through with it, as Chapuys is confident he will. If the Bishops, after
this declaration, perceive the Emperor earnestly minded to conclude the
treaty, Westminster shall say that, besides the matter contained in the
"plat" of the treaty, an overture is here made by Chapuys, upon motion,
at his late being in Flanders, made to him by Mons. de Rieux, to aid
the King to surprise Muttrell this year before it should be made too
strong; which overture Chapuys likewise desired to be referred to the
Emperor. Considering the benefit to the Emperor if the King at once
enters war with the French king, his enemy, who everywhere, by means
of the Turk, Cleves, Denmark, and in Italy and otherwise, prepares
against him, the King, regardless of the cost of taking and keeping it,
will do the enterprise immediately upon Westminster's return, provided
the Emperor first conclude the amity and give reasonable aid from the
Low Countries. They shall endeavour to get the treaty agreed to as it
is delivered to Westminster, signed by the King; but are hereby authorised
to alter any word or words provided the effect of the articles be not
thereby changed. If the Emperor's Commissioners insist upon any alteration
of the effect, and cannot be induced to agree to the treaty as now
couched, the bishops shall show themselves equally stiff, as though Westminster
would return without any conclusion, and so frame them to come
as near the King's mind as possible. They shall then undertake to
despatch to the King, showing how they vary, but first they shall make
sure "whereupon the said Commissioners shall arrest," and what the
Emperor will do about Muttrell. The aid the King requires towards
that enterprise is 4,000 horse and 6,000 foot, at the Emperor's cost, until
the town be won or the King forced to retire from it, and 3,000 horse,
"which is in manner but his ordinary," to join the King's crew at Guisnes
or elsewhere for the victualling of it when won, as often as necessary, upon
warning given to the Grand Master of Flanders, or other ruler of the
frontiers, with licence to provide victuals, munitions, &c., in the Low
Parties for the King's fortresses in those parts. The matter of Muttrell
"must be concluded in a schedule apart and not in the gross treaty, for
that it should declare a determination of an enterprise before knowledge
had what answer the French king will make to things to be demanded
If the Emperor seem inclined to go through with the treaty, the
Bishops shall solicit him to despatch a commission to the Queen of
Hungary and Great Master of Flanders to arrange with English commissioners
for the "faicte" of Muttrell. Intimation of this amity must be
made to the French king before the enterprise of Muttrell, and the King
must first know the Emperor's whole mind how this shall be done.
In the 22nd article, if the Emperor think the number with which each
prince shall invade the French king next year, viz., 20,000 foot and 5,000
horse, too great, a bye schedule may be made providing that the armies
shall be at least 12,000 foot and 3,000 horse, leaving the whole number,
25,000, in the treaty, for the honour of the same and terror of the enemy.
The 19th article provides that, if the French king is content to do them
reason, the King shall demand the arrears of his pension, the towns of
Bulloyn, with the country of Bullonoys, Mutrell, Tirwaine and Ardre,
with the country of Pointue for the assurance of the pension henceforth,
and a blank space is left for the insertion of the Emperor's demands. If
the Emperor demand much greater things than the King, the Bishops
shall add the duchy of Normandy to the King's demands, and if that
seem insufficient they shall add parts of the duchies of Gascoyn and
Guyen (fn. 3) .
When the amity is concluded, the Bishops shall declare how propitiously
some parts of Gascoyn and Guyen lie for the Emperor, and that
for a release of the lands he claims from Braye upon the Somme seaward,
the King will release to him his title to equivalent lands in Gascoyn
Draft corrected by Wriothesley, pp. 40. Endd. : "My 1. of
Westm.'s instructions despatched primo Julii Ao RR. H. VIIIvi.
448. Francis Framlingham.
Estimate by Sir Ric. Ryche of the gross value of the manors of
Debenham and Asshefeld with the parsonages of Debenham, Asshefeld
and Thorpe, and the deductions to be allowed therefrom; showing that
Francis Framlyngham "must pay" for them 786l. 4s. 11d. Signed.
P. 1. Headed : Primo de Julii anno xxxiiij H. viijvi.
VI. II., No. 15.
449. Mary Of Hungary to Chapuys.
Has just received his letter of 29 June, showing the good terms
on which he stands with the King's ministers and with the bp.
of Westminster, whose mission she trusts will complete Chapuys's
work. If George, the bearer, can come back in time to cross with the
bp. it would be perfect. If not, Chapuys is to facilitate his passage as
suggested in his own letter. Will take the opinion of her Councillors
on his important conversation with the Count of Reulx. Has no objection
to the revocation of the navigation edict, which Chapuys seems to
have negociated, and has given orders for acts to be drawn up to allow
the English freedom of trade. Hopes they will require nothing more,
but awaits an authenticated act of what has been agreed in England.
1 July 1542.
From the Vienna Archives.
Ib., No. 16.
450. The Same to The Same.
For fear the letter she now writes should not reach the Emperor
if sent through France, sends George, the bearer, to England, that he
may go thence with it to Spain. Requests Chapuys to make arrangements
for him. Brussels, 1 July 1542.
From the Vienna Archives.
St. P., IX.
451. Edmond Harvel to Henry VIII.
Wrote last 14 June. By letters from Constantinople, of 19 May,
the Turk's navy will this year be of small moment; but Harvel rather
suspects Barbarossa will not be idle, when there are such motions everywhere,
especially in Italy, where the French have already discovered war
by assembling 50,000 men in Piedmont, of whom 20,000 are Swiches.
Also they will make a number shortly at Mirandola "for th'expedition
of Tuscana." The bp. of Rome sent 4,000 foot to Hungary, and makes
6,000 more to defend his towns in Lombardy. The Marquis of Guasto is
well provided, and so are Naples and Florence. The Venetians remain
neutral and fortify their towns. Janus Bey left six days ago with great
presents. It is uncertain whether the Turk goes to Hungary. Ferdinand
has left Vienna for Buda with 50,000 foot and 15,000 horse, and his
host will increase daily. In Buda are 15,000 Turks, and on the confines
30,000 Turkish horse. Venice, 1 July 1542.
Hol. p. 1. Add. Sealed. Endd.
452. The Privy Council.
Meeting at Hampton Court, 2 July. Present : Norfolk, Southampton,
Sussex, Hertford, Russell, Durham, Winchester, Gage, Browne,
Wingfield, Wriothesley, Sadler. Business :—Recognisance (cited) of John
Gregorie and Thos. Crowe, of Devon, merchants, to pay 40l. to the
Treasurer of the Chamber by yearly instalments of 10l.
[*** Next date is 7 July.]
453. Marillac to Francis I.
Since the 15th of last month the Emperor's ambassador has not
stirred from this Court, where he is lodged in the King's house, defrayed,
caressed and visited twice or thrice daily by the lords of the Council, who
are deputed to treat with him. Heard that he was to leave the day
before yesterday, and expected then to learn the result of these intrigues,
but, learning now that he will stay eighteen days longer, will
not defer writing. Is assured that there is no question of
marriage. To raise the great loan the pretext of the marriage
of the King's children and the enterprise against the enemies
of the Faith was used; but the practices turn all on two points, viz.,
(1) a loan which the Emperor wants on security of towns in the Low
Counties, and for which the English require St. Omer and Gravelines
put into their hands; and (2) the passage which the Emperor demands
through this country into Flanders. This latter the English would grant,
provided that affairs between them are settled before the Emperor leaves
Spain, or at least concluded while he is in England, whereas the Emperor
alleges the necessity for haste, and would remit the conclusion of all
treaties until he should be in Flanders; which is like the practice he
lately used with Francis, when under colour of Francis's friendship he
composed all his difficulties. It is not likely that the English will grant
him this, but rather only prolong their intrigues; and already people
begin to say that all is smoke (que toute ceste trève seroit duicte en fumée).
One of the deputies has told a friend that the ambassador would depart
from Court as dissatisfied as he went joyous into Flanders. Several others
who manage the finances, and can discern whether they will be commanded
to pay, hold like language and conclude that the Emperor will
be as far from his intention as he thought to be near to it.
It does not appear that the English wish to move, and it has been reported
that the French frontier towns are too strong to be forced; but
the marine preparations continue (although more coldly), and the reason
alleged is that it is for fear of the King of Denmark, who keeps vessels of
war ready, and seizes Flemish ships. The report of the ambassadors
who went to Scotland is also awaited; for if insecure on that side they
are not likely to innovate elsewhere. It is understood from those who
have charge of the navy, that in three weeks the 15 or 16 ships which
are rigged about Antonne and Porchemeut, mentioned in my last letters,
and the 10 or 12 which are being prepared in this river, will draw towards
Rie and the Downs, and thence make sail; and the route which they
then take will show whether their intention is good or bad.
The Count of Apmont, (fn. 4) an Irishman of the quarter of the savages,
who has long made war on this King, came, three days ago, to do homage
to him, not as lord but as King of Ireland, and has sworn fealty. This
the English think much of, hoping thereby to reduce most of their opponents
in Ireland to obedience.
French. Modern transcript, pp. 4. Headed : 2 July. Marked
(according to Kaulek) as sent by Henry.
VI. II., No. 17.
454. Chapuys to Mary Of Hungary.
Took leave of the King yesterday and returned to London soon
after the departure of the bp. of Westminster and his own man for
Exeter. Henry thanked him for the trouble he had taken in negociating
the treaty, and said his Admiral had reported that the vessel in which
George was to go to Spain was already on the point of sailing. Cannot
say whether the vessel is or is not fit for a quick voyage, but is assured
that arrangements shall be made for the rapid transmission of despatches
by sea in future, for which a man has been sent with this bp. to Spain
to purchase sabras or pinnaces, and the Emperor will have two on his
side. The French ambassador's cousin came back yesterday from the
Court of France. Hears of no commission that he brings except to
inquire the object of the armaments this King is preparing, and what
the inhabitants of the ports think about them. The King sent him lately
by his lord Privy Seal and Admiral a message that the Queen should
keep good watch over certain islands not far from Amsterdam, and from
Encuse, lest the Duke of Holstein should surprise them. Encloses copy
of the article (fn. 5) concluded as to the edict once proclaimed in the Low Countries,
and the statute of navigation here. Has also forwarded to the
Emperor the article prescribing secrecy as to "the closer alliance which
passed in October last," (fn. 6) and that mutually binding the parties not to
treat without each other's knowledge. London, 3 July 1542.
From the Vienna Archives.
Ib. No. 18.
455. The Same to The Same.
Encloses copy of the article, (fn. 7) which it has been agreed to publish
at once, that it may appear that the conferences were only with a view
to the interests of the merchants. It is true in the copy which he
forwards, given him by the deputies, the word statim does not appear,
but curabit atque have been added in its place.
From the Vienna Archives.
Ib. No. 25.
456. The Same to The Same.
Gives the text of the agreement (fn. 8) for the revocation of the edict of
navigation in Flanders, and for the annulling of the statute on navigation
33 Hen. VIII., in England as far as it affects subjects of the Emperor
in the Low Countries or Spain. Dated Hampton Court, June 1542.
It has been agreed between the deputies and himself that the above
Act shall take effect from its date, and be published soon after, so as
to make it appear that the late conferences related chiefly to commercial
affairs. The transcript, which the English have given him, is correct
except that the words remitti prorsus et relaxari curabit atque, &c., have
been substituted for remitti prorsus et relaxari statim efficiet.
From the Vienna Archives.
Account of John, bp. of Sarum, by Thos. ap Ryce, his collector,
of the second payment for his diocese, due at Christmas 33 Hen. VIII.,
of the subsidy granted by the clergy of the province of Canterbury in
the Parliament held in 31 and 32 Hen. VIII.
Showing, in general terms, the total amounts of arrears and issues and
then of the allowances, the money delivered to the King's coffers (1,432l.
5s. 10d.) on 4 July 34 Hen. VIII., cost of carriage, respited payments and
Parchment roll of two membranes, written on one side only.
603, p. 100.
458. The O'Byrnes.
Submission made by indenture at Dublin, 4 July 34 Hen. VIII.,
agreed to by the Deputy and Council, subject to the King's acceptance
of it within one year, of Thady O'Birne, captain of his nation, fourteen
other O'Birnes (named), and other nobles of their nation inhabiting the
country between Wynde Gates and the town of Arclowe.
Eleven articles by which they agree to renounce Irish manners, petition
to have their lands by letters patent and their country erected into a
county, to be called Wicklow, surrender the towns and castles of Wicklow
and Newcastle McKenygan, &c.
Lat. Pp. 4. See Carew Calendar, No. 170.
St. P., IX.
459. Sir Thomas Seymour to Henry VIII.
On 1 July delivered Henry's letter to King Ferdinand, who received
it very lovingly, and next day said he had read it, commended
the writer for coming hither, saying he himself would shortly to Newrenberge,
and would therefore commit Seymour and Mr. Belyngham to his
General, Hance Hongganode, who is chiefest about the King and
conducts 10,000 light horse, and uses "us" very gently. Also delivered
Henry's letter to Baron Hedyke, their fellow, who seems the ablest leader
among the Almains. On the 6th the whole army sets forth for Bewda.
Gives the numbers, 80,000 in all, of whom 6,000 are upon the Danube,
in boats, under the captainship of the Marquis of Mareynan. The
Almains expect to waste their money, as the year is far past, and Bewda
strongly fortified with 15,000 men. The King's light horse about Bewda,
sent hither yesternight, for a present, "a waggon load of Turks' heads
and one, in the same waggon, alive." The Friar (fn. 9) that was in Bewda has
assembled 10,000 Hungarian horse, but which part he will take is unknown.
The bp. of Rome has sent an esteemed captain, called Alex.
Vytello, with 4,000 footmen. The King will finish his affairs at
Norenberg and come to the camp within a month. Veyana, 4 July.
Hol., pp. 2. Add. Endd. : Ao xxxiiijo.
St. P., III.
460. Henry VIII. to The Deputy And Council Of Ireland.
Has received theirs of 4 June, with sundry others in favour of
divers persons. Answers as follows :—1 Accepts their proceedings touching
Oneyle. 2. Takes Oneyle's new submission in good part, and will
grant him what title (Ulster excepted) they think expedient. 3.
McDoneill is to have the Green Castle and the Morne. 4. Authorises them
to assign convenient stipends to learned men to reside about Limerick,
also to augment the judges' salaries, so that they may ride in circuit. 5.
Obrien shall be earl of Thomond and Donogh Obrien a baron; but the
heir of the earl of Thomond from henceforth must abide his time to be
a member of our Parliament till his parent's decease and "be only a hearer,
standing barehead at the bar besides the Cloth of Estate, as the young
lords do here in our realm of England." 6. When the grant was made
to Tirlogh Othole at his late being here, his son was taken for his heir.
In case young Tirlogh will be bound by the conditions his father promised,
letters patent are to be made of the lands to him and his right heirs.
Charges them to see that small quarter of Leinster, where the said
Tirlogh, the Briennes and Cavanaughes inhabit, fully reduced to civility,
by cutting roads and exterminating any that rebel. 7. Trusts from
Desmond's demeanor here that he will prove true and serviceable, and
enjoins them to treat him with favour. Has given him both apparel
and money. 8. Sir Thos. Butler to be baron of Cayer. 9. Forgives the
abp. of Dublin's debt to the late lord Rochford of 250l. (fn. 10) 10. Has put
forth the seals to the graving and will send them when finished. 11.
Granted, at their contemplation, Edm. Sexten's suit for his annuity and
the remission of his forfeiture. 12. Teg Okarwell has here exhibited a
supplication to take his lands of the King. Refers the matter to their
report, and meanwhile they shall show him that his repair hither and
suit to the King's person redounds to his benefit. As Desmond sued for
him, the King gave him 20l.
Upon the Deputy's letters in favour of the King's old servant Robt.
Walshe, the King gave him 20l.
(fn. 11) "The bishopric.
(fn. 11) For th' acts.
(fn. 11) Sainctlo and Sharlok have leave to return."
In Wriothesley's hand.—Desmond, after taking leave, made suit for
the bishopric named in a schedule here inclosed to be given to the priest
there named. (fn. 12) Awaits their report on this. Hears that certain of the
Acts lately sent thither remain not passed. They must endeavour to pass
them or else signify why they are stayed.
Draft with corrections by Wriothesley, pp. 19. Endd. : "Minute to the
Deputy and Council in Ireland vo Julii ao xxxiiijo."
461. Francis I. to Marillac.
The English ambassador complained in a friendly way, yesterday,
to the Admiral that his master was distrusted. The Admiral replied that
Francis had known his good brother too long to doubt him, but the
Flemings spread a bruit that they had treated with the King of England,
who was to aid them with money and send an army to join them in
making war on France; that Francis had quietly prepared for the defence
of his realm but he would never be the first to do anything to
diminish their amity. Marillac must thank the King for the good
language held by his ambassador and assure him that Francis will always
be found ready to enter all alliances (partiz) to perpetuate their amity;
—observing how he takes this and, above all, trying to get him to confirm
his ambassador's words. The despatch of 20 June needs no answer.
Countersigned : Bochetel.
French. Modern transcript, pp. 3. Headed : Ligny, 5 July.
VI. II., No. 19.
2. A fuller abstract of the above (with omission of the last sentence)
made from a copy in the Vienna archives, dated Ligny en Barroys, 5