Henry VIII
July 1542, 1-5

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'Henry VIII: July 1542, 1-5', Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 17: 1542 (1900), pp. 266-273. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=76658 Date accessed: 02 October 2014.


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July 1542, 1-5

1 July.
Dasent's A.P.C., 16.
444. The Privy Council.
Meeting at Hampton Court, 1 July.—Present : Norfolk, Southampton, Sussex, Hertford, Russell, Durham, Winchester, Gage, Browne, Wingfield, Wriothesley, Sadler. Business :—Recognisance (cited) of Edm. and Charles Fox to attend every Sunday.
1 July.
R. O.
445. The Loan.
Acknowledgment of receipt, 1 July 34 Hen. VIII., by Thos. Holcroft, of 5 privy seals to be employed about the King's loan in co. Lancaster. Signed.
P. 1. Endd.

R. O.
446. Negotiations with Charles V.
[A statement of the progress of negociations with the Emperor's ambassador giving in parallel columns the past and present position upon each article, viz. :]
1. The ambassador would not insert the articles of the treaty of Cambray, but only a confirmation; we standing to have them inserted. He now consents.
2. He desired Spain in like condition for defence as the Low Countries, "which we would in no wise condescend unto, albeit he offered Ireland for reciproque." We have agreed to put in Spain and Navarre, having Ireland for reciproque.
3. "It was agreed there should be a defence of mlml. men given upon the sea to be ordered by th' Admiral of the Prince desiring it besides the iij. ml. horsemen and iij. ml. footmen;" and in case of joint invasion for offence each prince to put 3,000 to sea under his own admiral; "or money, &c." We desire to have this article couched, "That whensoever either prince shall have war," the other, upon intimation thereof, shall send 2,000 men to sea, to guard it.
4. The ambassador would not fix a time for their invasion but refer it to the princes. "We desire to have a time prefixed." (fn. 1)
5. The ambassador stood to have the article of rebels "couched as it is in Cambray," we to have it as it is with France. "He is content to have it as it is with France, having the names of them that be already and a time for the banishment of them."
6. The ambassador would not agree to the 3,000 horse and 3,000 foot demanded in lieu of the pension. He now grants to 2,000 of each; whereto the King has relented.
7. "The ambassador desired an article for Gueldres and Denmark, which we denied." He stands to it, but is content "to put it into a generali[ty] and make to it reciproque for both parties."
8. "Th'ambassador desireth to have the defence cease when the invasion shall be made by both parties." "We deny [it, becau]se [it] was otherwise agreed before."
"His demand for aid against the Turk."
In Wriothesley's hand, pp. 3. With marginal headings and notes. Endd. : Discourses with th' ambassador before my Lord of Westminster's going into Spayn.
1 July.
R. O. St. P., IX. 68.
447. Negotiations with Charles V.
Instructions for the bp. of Westminster.
To address himself to the Emperor's Court, in Spain, communicate these instructions to "the Right Reverend, &c.," (fn. 2) the King's ambassador there; and, with him, procure audience, present his credence and declare that, where, upon sundry communications of the Emperor and Grandevela with Winchester and Sir Hen. Knevet, and with the bp. of London, since his arrival there, the Emperor lately sent commission to Chapuys, and the King appointed certain Commissioners, of whom he (Westminster) was one, these Commissioners for both parties have grown very near to a conclusion, and, at Chapuys's request, the King sends the treaty they have framed, in order that the Emperor may go through with it, as Chapuys is confident he will. If the Bishops, after this declaration, perceive the Emperor earnestly minded to conclude the treaty, Westminster shall say that, besides the matter contained in the "plat" of the treaty, an overture is here made by Chapuys, upon motion, at his late being in Flanders, made to him by Mons. de Rieux, to aid the King to surprise Muttrell this year before it should be made too strong; which overture Chapuys likewise desired to be referred to the Emperor. Considering the benefit to the Emperor if the King at once enters war with the French king, his enemy, who everywhere, by means of the Turk, Cleves, Denmark, and in Italy and otherwise, prepares against him, the King, regardless of the cost of taking and keeping it, will do the enterprise immediately upon Westminster's return, provided the Emperor first conclude the amity and give reasonable aid from the Low Countries. They shall endeavour to get the treaty agreed to as it is delivered to Westminster, signed by the King; but are hereby authorised to alter any word or words provided the effect of the articles be not thereby changed. If the Emperor's Commissioners insist upon any alteration of the effect, and cannot be induced to agree to the treaty as now couched, the bishops shall show themselves equally stiff, as though Westminster would return without any conclusion, and so frame them to come as near the King's mind as possible. They shall then undertake to despatch to the King, showing how they vary, but first they shall make sure "whereupon the said Commissioners shall arrest," and what the Emperor will do about Muttrell. The aid the King requires towards that enterprise is 4,000 horse and 6,000 foot, at the Emperor's cost, until the town be won or the King forced to retire from it, and 3,000 horse, "which is in manner but his ordinary," to join the King's crew at Guisnes or elsewhere for the victualling of it when won, as often as necessary, upon warning given to the Grand Master of Flanders, or other ruler of the frontiers, with licence to provide victuals, munitions, &c., in the Low Parties for the King's fortresses in those parts. The matter of Muttrell "must be concluded in a schedule apart and not in the gross treaty, for that it should declare a determination of an enterprise before knowledge had what answer the French king will make to things to be demanded of him."
If the Emperor seem inclined to go through with the treaty, the Bishops shall solicit him to despatch a commission to the Queen of Hungary and Great Master of Flanders to arrange with English commissioners for the "faicte" of Muttrell. Intimation of this amity must be made to the French king before the enterprise of Muttrell, and the King must first know the Emperor's whole mind how this shall be done.
In the 22nd article, if the Emperor think the number with which each prince shall invade the French king next year, viz., 20,000 foot and 5,000 horse, too great, a bye schedule may be made providing that the armies shall be at least 12,000 foot and 3,000 horse, leaving the whole number, 25,000, in the treaty, for the honour of the same and terror of the enemy. The 19th article provides that, if the French king is content to do them reason, the King shall demand the arrears of his pension, the towns of Bulloyn, with the country of Bullonoys, Mutrell, Tirwaine and Ardre, with the country of Pointue for the assurance of the pension henceforth, and a blank space is left for the insertion of the Emperor's demands. If the Emperor demand much greater things than the King, the Bishops shall add the duchy of Normandy to the King's demands, and if that seem insufficient they shall add parts of the duchies of Gascoyn and Guyen (fn. 3) .
When the amity is concluded, the Bishops shall declare how propitiously some parts of Gascoyn and Guyen lie for the Emperor, and that for a release of the lands he claims from Braye upon the Somme seaward, the King will release to him his title to equivalent lands in Gascoyn and Guyen.
Draft corrected by Wriothesley, pp. 40. Endd. : "My 1. of Westm.'s instructions despatched primo Julii Ao RR. H. VIIIvi. xxxiiijo."
1 July.
R. O.
448. Francis Framlingham.
Estimate by Sir Ric. Ryche of the gross value of the manors of Debenham and Asshefeld with the parsonages of Debenham, Asshefeld and Thorpe, and the deductions to be allowed therefrom; showing that Francis Framlyngham "must pay" for them 786l. 4s. 11d. Signed.
P. 1. Headed : Primo de Julii anno xxxiiij H. viijvi.
1 July.
Spanish Calendar, VI. II., No. 15.
449. Mary Of Hungary to Chapuys.
Has just received his letter of 29 June, showing the good terms on which he stands with the King's ministers and with the bp. of Westminster, whose mission she trusts will complete Chapuys's work. If George, the bearer, can come back in time to cross with the bp. it would be perfect. If not, Chapuys is to facilitate his passage as suggested in his own letter. Will take the opinion of her Councillors on his important conversation with the Count of Reulx. Has no objection to the revocation of the navigation edict, which Chapuys seems to have negociated, and has given orders for acts to be drawn up to allow the English freedom of trade. Hopes they will require nothing more, but awaits an authenticated act of what has been agreed in England. 1 July 1542.
From the Vienna Archives.
1 July.
Ib., No. 16.
450. The Same to The Same.
For fear the letter she now writes should not reach the Emperor if sent through France, sends George, the bearer, to England, that he may go thence with it to Spain. Requests Chapuys to make arrangements for him. Brussels, 1 July 1542.
From the Vienna Archives.
1 July.
R. O. St. P., IX. 67.
451. Edmond Harvel to Henry VIII.
Wrote last 14 June. By letters from Constantinople, of 19 May, the Turk's navy will this year be of small moment; but Harvel rather suspects Barbarossa will not be idle, when there are such motions everywhere, especially in Italy, where the French have already discovered war by assembling 50,000 men in Piedmont, of whom 20,000 are Swiches. Also they will make a number shortly at Mirandola "for th'expedition of Tuscana." The bp. of Rome sent 4,000 foot to Hungary, and makes 6,000 more to defend his towns in Lombardy. The Marquis of Guasto is well provided, and so are Naples and Florence. The Venetians remain neutral and fortify their towns. Janus Bey left six days ago with great presents. It is uncertain whether the Turk goes to Hungary. Ferdinand has left Vienna for Buda with 50,000 foot and 15,000 horse, and his host will increase daily. In Buda are 15,000 Turks, and on the confines 30,000 Turkish horse. Venice, 1 July 1542.
Hol. p. 1. Add. Sealed. Endd.
2 July.
Dasent's A.P.C., 16.
452. The Privy Council.
Meeting at Hampton Court, 2 July. Present : Norfolk, Southampton, Sussex, Hertford, Russell, Durham, Winchester, Gage, Browne, Wingfield, Wriothesley, Sadler. Business :—Recognisance (cited) of John Gregorie and Thos. Crowe, of Devon, merchants, to pay 40l. to the Treasurer of the Chamber by yearly instalments of 10l.
[*** Next date is 7 July.]
2 July.
R. O. Kaulek, 428. (Abstract.)
453. Marillac to Francis I.
Since the 15th of last month the Emperor's ambassador has not stirred from this Court, where he is lodged in the King's house, defrayed, caressed and visited twice or thrice daily by the lords of the Council, who are deputed to treat with him. Heard that he was to leave the day before yesterday, and expected then to learn the result of these intrigues, but, learning now that he will stay eighteen days longer, will not defer writing. Is assured that there is no question of marriage. To raise the great loan the pretext of the marriage of the King's children and the enterprise against the enemies of the Faith was used; but the practices turn all on two points, viz., (1) a loan which the Emperor wants on security of towns in the Low Counties, and for which the English require St. Omer and Gravelines put into their hands; and (2) the passage which the Emperor demands through this country into Flanders. This latter the English would grant, provided that affairs between them are settled before the Emperor leaves Spain, or at least concluded while he is in England, whereas the Emperor alleges the necessity for haste, and would remit the conclusion of all treaties until he should be in Flanders; which is like the practice he lately used with Francis, when under colour of Francis's friendship he composed all his difficulties. It is not likely that the English will grant him this, but rather only prolong their intrigues; and already people begin to say that all is smoke (que toute ceste trève seroit duicte en fumée). One of the deputies has told a friend that the ambassador would depart from Court as dissatisfied as he went joyous into Flanders. Several others who manage the finances, and can discern whether they will be commanded to pay, hold like language and conclude that the Emperor will be as far from his intention as he thought to be near to it.
It does not appear that the English wish to move, and it has been reported that the French frontier towns are too strong to be forced; but the marine preparations continue (although more coldly), and the reason alleged is that it is for fear of the King of Denmark, who keeps vessels of war ready, and seizes Flemish ships. The report of the ambassadors who went to Scotland is also awaited; for if insecure on that side they are not likely to innovate elsewhere. It is understood from those who have charge of the navy, that in three weeks the 15 or 16 ships which are rigged about Antonne and Porchemeut, mentioned in my last letters, and the 10 or 12 which are being prepared in this river, will draw towards Rie and the Downs, and thence make sail; and the route which they then take will show whether their intention is good or bad.
The Count of Apmont, (fn. 4) an Irishman of the quarter of the savages, who has long made war on this King, came, three days ago, to do homage to him, not as lord but as King of Ireland, and has sworn fealty. This the English think much of, hoping thereby to reduce most of their opponents in Ireland to obedience.
French. Modern transcript, pp. 4. Headed : 2 July. Marked (according to Kaulek) as sent by Henry.
3 July.
Spanish Calendar, VI. II., No. 17.
454. Chapuys to Mary Of Hungary.
Took leave of the King yesterday and returned to London soon after the departure of the bp. of Westminster and his own man for Exeter. Henry thanked him for the trouble he had taken in negociating the treaty, and said his Admiral had reported that the vessel in which George was to go to Spain was already on the point of sailing. Cannot say whether the vessel is or is not fit for a quick voyage, but is assured that arrangements shall be made for the rapid transmission of despatches by sea in future, for which a man has been sent with this bp. to Spain to purchase sabras or pinnaces, and the Emperor will have two on his side. The French ambassador's cousin came back yesterday from the Court of France. Hears of no commission that he brings except to inquire the object of the armaments this King is preparing, and what the inhabitants of the ports think about them. The King sent him lately by his lord Privy Seal and Admiral a message that the Queen should keep good watch over certain islands not far from Amsterdam, and from Encuse, lest the Duke of Holstein should surprise them. Encloses copy of the article (fn. 5) concluded as to the edict once proclaimed in the Low Countries, and the statute of navigation here. Has also forwarded to the Emperor the article prescribing secrecy as to "the closer alliance which passed in October last," (fn. 6) and that mutually binding the parties not to treat without each other's knowledge. London, 3 July 1542.
From the Vienna Archives.

Ib. No. 18.
455. The Same to The Same.
Encloses copy of the article, (fn. 7) which it has been agreed to publish at once, that it may appear that the conferences were only with a view to the interests of the merchants. It is true in the copy which he forwards, given him by the deputies, the word statim does not appear, but curabit atque have been added in its place.
From the Vienna Archives.

Ib. No. 25.
456. The Same to The Same.
Gives the text of the agreement (fn. 8) for the revocation of the edict of navigation in Flanders, and for the annulling of the statute on navigation 33 Hen. VIII., in England as far as it affects subjects of the Emperor in the Low Countries or Spain. Dated Hampton Court, June 1542.
It has been agreed between the deputies and himself that the above Act shall take effect from its date, and be published soon after, so as to make it appear that the late conferences related chiefly to commercial affairs. The transcript, which the English have given him, is correct except that the words remitti prorsus et relaxari curabit atque, &c., have been substituted for remitti prorsus et relaxari statim efficiet.
From the Vienna Archives.
4 July.
Add. Ch. 16,203. B. M.
457. Subsidy.
Account of John, bp. of Sarum, by Thos. ap Ryce, his collector, of the second payment for his diocese, due at Christmas 33 Hen. VIII., of the subsidy granted by the clergy of the province of Canterbury in the Parliament held in 31 and 32 Hen. VIII.
Showing, in general terms, the total amounts of arrears and issues and then of the allowances, the money delivered to the King's coffers (1,432l. 5s. 10d.) on 4 July 34 Hen. VIII., cost of carriage, respited payments and "super."
Parchment roll of two membranes, written on one side only.
4 July.
Lamb. MS., 603, p. 100.
458. The O'Byrnes.
Submission made by indenture at Dublin, 4 July 34 Hen. VIII., agreed to by the Deputy and Council, subject to the King's acceptance of it within one year, of Thady O'Birne, captain of his nation, fourteen other O'Birnes (named), and other nobles of their nation inhabiting the country between Wynde Gates and the town of Arclowe.
Eleven articles by which they agree to renounce Irish manners, petition to have their lands by letters patent and their country erected into a county, to be called Wicklow, surrender the towns and castles of Wicklow and Newcastle McKenygan, &c.
Lat. Pp. 4. See Carew Calendar, No. 170.
4 July.
R. O. St. P., IX. 73.
459. Sir Thomas Seymour to Henry VIII.
On 1 July delivered Henry's letter to King Ferdinand, who received it very lovingly, and next day said he had read it, commended the writer for coming hither, saying he himself would shortly to Newrenberge, and would therefore commit Seymour and Mr. Belyngham to his General, Hance Hongganode, who is chiefest about the King and conducts 10,000 light horse, and uses "us" very gently. Also delivered Henry's letter to Baron Hedyke, their fellow, who seems the ablest leader among the Almains. On the 6th the whole army sets forth for Bewda. Gives the numbers, 80,000 in all, of whom 6,000 are upon the Danube, in boats, under the captainship of the Marquis of Mareynan. The Almains expect to waste their money, as the year is far past, and Bewda strongly fortified with 15,000 men. The King's light horse about Bewda, sent hither yesternight, for a present, "a waggon load of Turks' heads and one, in the same waggon, alive." The Friar (fn. 9) that was in Bewda has assembled 10,000 Hungarian horse, but which part he will take is unknown. The bp. of Rome has sent an esteemed captain, called Alex. Vytello, with 4,000 footmen. The King will finish his affairs at Norenberg and come to the camp within a month. Veyana, 4 July.
Hol., pp. 2. Add. Endd. : Ao xxxiiijo.
5 July.
R. O. St. P., III. 394.
460. Henry VIII. to The Deputy And Council Of Ireland.
Has received theirs of 4 June, with sundry others in favour of divers persons. Answers as follows :—1 Accepts their proceedings touching Oneyle. 2. Takes Oneyle's new submission in good part, and will grant him what title (Ulster excepted) they think expedient. 3. McDoneill is to have the Green Castle and the Morne. 4. Authorises them to assign convenient stipends to learned men to reside about Limerick, also to augment the judges' salaries, so that they may ride in circuit. 5. Obrien shall be earl of Thomond and Donogh Obrien a baron; but the heir of the earl of Thomond from henceforth must abide his time to be a member of our Parliament till his parent's decease and "be only a hearer, standing barehead at the bar besides the Cloth of Estate, as the young lords do here in our realm of England." 6. When the grant was made to Tirlogh Othole at his late being here, his son was taken for his heir. In case young Tirlogh will be bound by the conditions his father promised, letters patent are to be made of the lands to him and his right heirs. Charges them to see that small quarter of Leinster, where the said Tirlogh, the Briennes and Cavanaughes inhabit, fully reduced to civility, by cutting roads and exterminating any that rebel. 7. Trusts from Desmond's demeanor here that he will prove true and serviceable, and enjoins them to treat him with favour. Has given him both apparel and money. 8. Sir Thos. Butler to be baron of Cayer. 9. Forgives the abp. of Dublin's debt to the late lord Rochford of 250l. (fn. 10) 10. Has put forth the seals to the graving and will send them when finished. 11. Granted, at their contemplation, Edm. Sexten's suit for his annuity and the remission of his forfeiture. 12. Teg Okarwell has here exhibited a supplication to take his lands of the King. Refers the matter to their report, and meanwhile they shall show him that his repair hither and suit to the King's person redounds to his benefit. As Desmond sued for him, the King gave him 20l.
Upon the Deputy's letters in favour of the King's old servant Robt. Walshe, the King gave him 20l.
(fn. 11) "The bishopric.
(fn. 11) For th' acts.
(fn. 11) Sainctlo and Sharlok have leave to return."
In Wriothesley's hand.—Desmond, after taking leave, made suit for the bishopric named in a schedule here inclosed to be given to the priest there named. (fn. 12) Awaits their report on this. Hears that certain of the Acts lately sent thither remain not passed. They must endeavour to pass them or else signify why they are stayed.
Draft with corrections by Wriothesley, pp. 19. Endd. : "Minute to the Deputy and Council in Ireland vo Julii ao xxxiiijo."
5 July.
R. O. Kaulek, 429. (Abstract.)
461. Francis I. to Marillac.
The English ambassador complained in a friendly way, yesterday, to the Admiral that his master was distrusted. The Admiral replied that Francis had known his good brother too long to doubt him, but the Flemings spread a bruit that they had treated with the King of England, who was to aid them with money and send an army to join them in making war on France; that Francis had quietly prepared for the defence of his realm but he would never be the first to do anything to diminish their amity. Marillac must thank the King for the good language held by his ambassador and assure him that Francis will always be found ready to enter all alliances (partiz) to perpetuate their amity; —observing how he takes this and, above all, trying to get him to confirm his ambassador's words. The despatch of 20 June needs no answer. Countersigned : Bochetel.
French. Modern transcript, pp. 3. Headed : Ligny, 5 July.
Spanish Calendar, VI. II., No. 19. 2. A fuller abstract of the above (with omission of the last sentence) made from a copy in the Vienna archives, dated Ligny en Barroys, 5 July 1542.

Footnotes

1 In margin, "We desire a new thing."
2 Bishop Bonner.
3 This last clause, being upon a separate slip, is printed out of place (at the end) in the State Papers.
4 Desmond.
5 See No. 456.
6 Here there must be some misconception of Chapuys's meaning, as the article he refers to is correctly described in No. 440 (2).
7 See No. 456.
8 For which see No. 440.
9 Friar George Martinuzzi, bishop of Waradin.
10 This article is enrolled on the Irish Patent Roll (32-33 Hen. VIII., m. 15), as certified by John Allen, chancellor, Gerald Aylmer, justice, Wm. Brabazon, Thos. Luttrel, John Travers, Thos. Cusake, master of the Rolls, and Edw. Basnet, dean, 8 July (sic) 34 Hen. VIII. Morrin's Calendar, p. 81.
11 These three headings for further paragraphs are omitted in the State Papers.
12 For Æneas O'Hernan, master of Any, to be bp. of Emly, as will be seen later.