Henry VIII
October 1542, 21-25

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'Henry VIII: October 1542, 21-25', Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 17: 1542 (1900), pp. 546-550. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=76677 Date accessed: 20 August 2014.


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October 1542, 21-25

21 Oct.
Venetian Calendar (Brown), V., 114.
974. Hieronimo Zuccato to the Council Of Venice.
Account of an interview with the King on the 3rd inst., when he related the abominable acts of treason perpetrated at Venice, and the King spoke very bitterly of the French, London, 21 Oct.
Original at Venice.
22 Oct.
Add. MS. 32,648 f. 82. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 221.
975. Norfolk and Others to the Council.
The earl of Hereford (sic) and Sir John Gage arrived yesternight at 11 o'clock. Norfolk's orders to the men to bring beer and victuals, and to the President to provide carts and wains, were not followed. The beer and biscuit sent from London in small ships has been brought in here and delivered out, the rest is at Holy Elande, the wind being contrary and the ships too great to enter this haven. The carriages of this country are so feeble that they cannot carry more than one pipe each. The men drank water four days hitherward. Yesterday they had beer, of which, rating every man to a quart a day, there is only enough for six days. Wrote that they purposed to camp on Friday last, but the bridge into this town proved so weak that it broke with the multitude of people, and all were not over till yesterday, five men being drowned and many sore hurt. The great enterprise is not feasible, for lack of victuals. Trust the King shall shortly hear of some exploit by the ships in the Frith, and, meanwhile, the writers will do what they can for six days, and three days more, although they drink water. The King writes that he will appoint a warden in time convenient; but surely there is no time to lose, for the horses that return from Scotland will be too feeble to serve. Berwick, 22 Oct., 1 p.m. Signed by Norfolk, Hertford, Gage, and Browne.
Pp. 3. Add. Sealed. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
22 Oct.
Add. MS. 32,648 f. 84. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 222.
976. Gage to Wriothesley.
No news but what is in their common letter to the Council. Reiterates his parting request for favour to Edward Gage in his suits. Sent a letter to his wife from Newcastle, and sends others herewith to her and to Edw. Gage. Begs him to forward them to her at the Master of the Horse's house at Biflit. Berwick, 22 Oct. Signed.
P.S. in his own hand.—Is grieved to find such scarcity of bread, which is due to lack of grinding. Have to send to all millers, even 16 miles off, "verre by the contery ys sorre dyseapeowntheydde and the nessessyte herre notte releveydde."
P. 1. Add. Sealed. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
22 Oct.
R. O. (R. T., 149.)
977. Albert Duke Of Prussia to Henry VIII.
Is accustomed yearly to send falcons to his friends, and sends twelve to the King by his falconer. "Date e Regiomonte ut supra."
Lat. Modern transcript from Königsberg, p. 1. Headed : "Regi Anglie xij mittit falcones, xxij Octobris (1542)."
22 Oct.
R. O.
978. Edmond Harvel to Henry VIII.
Wrote on the 10th inst. That Henry has made a 100,000 men against the Scots, with such celerity, is the admiration of all men; who are persuaded that he will be victorious, being that Henry VIII. who overcame, at one time, both France and the Scots, "with the slaughter of their King, of their chief nobility, and of their best men of war, whereby the Scottish pride was so 'domid' that nother in courage nor might is remained any great moment in that rude nation." Now that the Scots can get no help from France, the writer hopes that Henry will reduce Scotland under his "regal empire."
The Marquis of Guasto has sent to Milan for eight double cannon, to use against strong towns in Piedmont, where he finds no "rescontre" in the fields. These 4,000 men out of Almain will increase his host, which is not numerous, but very good. In Hungary all the Christian power "was" converted against Pest. There have been many skirmishes, in which the Christians were always superior. The Turk is in Andrinopoli, observing the success of the things in Hungary. The Turks seem to have no fear for Buda, but great doubt of Pest. The Turk makes great preparation for next year.
Encloses a letter from Count Ludovico Rangon, who much desires to serve against the Scots and to bring a good company of men intelligent in war. Hears that he praises the King above all men; and Harvel knows that he is of noble and real nature and tried courage. For two days, it was here thought that the bp. of Rome was dead, but letters of the 15th inst. from Rome disprove it, and relate that the Bishop is gone to fortify Ostia and Civitaveica against the Turks. Parpignan is well defended, and the Emperor very courageous for war, having refused audience to the Bishop's legate, who came to negociate between him and the French king. Venice, 22 Oct. 1542.
P.S.—Hears nothing from "that gentleman (fn. 1) that went to Turin," of whom the Council wrote 1 Aug. It has been signified to him by sundry letters that he should repair hither for money, which will not be paid without his presence. Looks daily for him.
Hol., pp. 3. Add. Sealed. Endd.
24 Oct.
Dasent's A.P.C., 44.
979. The Privy Council.
Meeting at Westm., 21 Oct. Present : Canterbury, Chancellor, Russell, Winchester, Westminster, Wriothesley, Sadler, Riche, Baker, Dacres. No business recorded.
Meetings at Westm., 22, 23, and 24 Oct. Present : as above, with Russell as lord Privy Seal. No business recorded.
24 Oct.
Calig. E. IV., 95. B. M. St. P. IX., 202.
980. Henry VIII. to Paget.
By his sundry letters, perceives his dexterity and diligence, and how the French king and some of his Council seem assured that Henry has concluded a new league with the Emperor, both La Planche and the Admiral having been enquiring therein, with a view to some new overture of marriage for Henry's daughter Mary and the duke of Orleans. Directs him to take some occasion to talk with the Admiral, or other of the Council, and incidentally let fall that he himself is well inclined towards them, and Henry free from any new amity with the Emperor. He shall say that secret friends in England report to him that, whatever bruits are spread or overtures made, there is up to this date no new league made nor marriage concluded with the Emperor, nor any money lent to him, but only certain merchants' matters have been discussed and ordered. Also that he thinks Henry would prefer the French king's amity to any other, and that they should weigh how necessary this amity and knot between the realms is, and treat the matter of the pension and arrearages reasonably; for, so doing, he thinks Henry would agree to some reasonable moderation of the pension, but what they asked before was out of all friendly equality. He shall say that he thinks Henry would give a far greater portion than ever was given in like case, provided that a reasonable way were devised for the rest : suggesting that Arde, Brednerd. Turneham, and Mountory should be given now, and afterwards any other convenient corner of ground which Francis may chance to get. If the two Kings were thus knit together, especially having joined with them some of the princes of Almain, (fn. 2) they might work great things for Christendom and for their own commodities. W[estminster], 24 Oct. 34 Henry VIII. Signed.
Pp. 5. Mutilated.
R. O. 2. Draft of the preceding, with corrections in Wriothesley's hand, from which it is printed in State Papers.
Pp. 21. Endd. : Minute to [Mr. Paget] xxiiijo Octob. [ao] xxxiiijo.
25 Oct.
Dasent's A.P.C., 45.
981. The Privy Council.
Meeting at Westm., 25 Oct. Present : Canterbury, Chancellor, Russell, Westminster, Winchester, Wingfield, Wriothesley, Sadler, Dacres. Business :—Upon depositions sent by the mayor and jurates of Sandwich touching unfitting words spoken by Thos. Mylbanke, he was committed to the porter's ward, promising to try out the author of the words.
25 Oct.
Add. MS. 32,648 f. 110. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 226 (1).
982. Suffolk to Norfolk and Others.
Since writing last has remembered that his commission for guarding the frontiers endures only until their coming out of Scotland, and therefore, instead of going this day to Aunwick, he returns to-morrow to Newcastle with 200 men; leaving the rest in garrison until they take order for the frontiers, which he hopes (to save the King's charges) will be as soon as possible. Will prepare drink and bread to bring their company to Newcastle, and hopes the ships he purveyed will come, which carry 120 tun of beer, much biscuit, 800 qr. of malt, and 400 qr. of wheat, besides beans and oats. Thinks they should not return many at once, or they may find great lack. [Morp]athe, 25 Oct. Signed.
P. 1. Begins : My very good lords.
Corpus Reform., IV., 885. 983. Melancthon to Joachim Camerarius, of Bamberg.
His conduct towards Alesius is worthy of his goodness. Melancthon, too, wishes the latter had deferred his departure (fn. 3) till the arrival of his Prince. (fn. 4) But it is needless discussing the matter now. Will help, rather, as far as he can. Wonders, however, he did not return to him (Melancthon), and talk the matter over. Had heard of the return of Duke Maurice.
Latin.
Corpus Reform., IV. 885. 984. Melancthon to Joachim Camberarius, of Bamberg.
De Jacobo velim te mihi respondere. Alesius recte quidem disputavit magistratum politicum debere κολαζειν πορνειας, cum aliter dixisset alter quidam. Hanc disputationem, quia differri jusserunt, discessit;. poterat expectare adventum Principis. Sed nimis amat φιλυρην (fn. 5) vestram. Noster Princeps (fn. 6) hac hyeme ei donat xl. aureos, ut habeat viaticum. Interim aliquid consilii quaerendum erit.
Last night I dreamt that Cruciger, Suavenius, Blarerus and I were sitting together, and I was bidding them farewell and saying that I feared that the kingdom of God would be taken from these nations and given to a nation producing fruit (facienti fructus). I am really moved by this dream. Farewell, with the church in thy house. If Alesius is there give him these letters.
Latin.
25 Oct.
Corpus Reform., IV. 886.
985. Melancthon to Joachim Camerarius, of Bamberg.
Duke Maurice and the Turks. You may read my letter to Alesius. I know not why he will not deliberate with me here. "Si quid suspicatur, aut βισσοδομευει, sinam eum suas res agere, certe mea natura nihil habet latebrarum aut insidiarum ut scis. Sin autem putat se perfecturum esse negotium sine nostris, opto προχωρειν ευτυχως αυτω τα γνωσθεντα 25 Oct.
Latin.

Footnotes

1 Earl Bothwell.
2 A cancelled passage in § 2 puts this as having the Duke of Cleve on the other side, whom the Duke of Saxe and the Lantzgrave intend to help, but who will be in great danger unless he have more help than theirs.
3 From the university of Frankfort on the Oder.
4 Joachim II., Margrave of Brandenburg.
5 Leipsic.
6 John Frederic, duke of Saxony.