Henry VIII
January 1543, 1-5

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'Henry VIII: January 1543, 1-5', Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 18 Part 1: January-July 1543 (1901), pp. 1-7. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=76719 Date accessed: 02 October 2014.


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January 1543, 1-5

1 Jan.
Dasent's A.P.C., 70.
1. The Privy Council.
Meeting at Hampton Court, 1 Jan. Present : Canterbury, Chancellor, Privy Seal, Hertford, Winchester, Westminster, St. John, Cheyney, Gage, Browne, Wingfield, Wriothesley, Sadler, Dacres. Business :—Letter written in the Council's name to the Council of Scotland and given to the prisoners now repairing home to deliver. Letter devised to be sent by lord Lisle to the earl of Arran.

R. O. St. P. v., 234.
2. The Scottish Prisoners.
Names of the Scottish prisoners "now sent down to Carlisle" with the names of the pledges appointed to come in for them and of the persons who shall keep the pledges.
Prisoners are the earls of Casselles and Glencarne, lords Flemyng, Somerwell, Maxwell, Olyvaunte and Graie, Mr. Erskyn, Oliver Sinclar, the larde Craggye, the larde of Carssye, Patrick Heburne, the larde Munkrethe, the larde Awyncastle, John Leysley, the larde of Hayton, the larde of Graydon, James Pringle, John Carmighell, and Henry Maxwell.
P. 1.
R. O. St. P. v., 232. 2. "The yearly value of the lands and also the value and substance in goods of the Scottish prisoners lately taken at Salowe Mosse," viz. of :—
The earls of Cassels and Glencarne, lords Somervell, Maxwell, Gray, Olyvaunte, and Flemyng, Oliver St. Clere, Geo. Hume larde of Hayton, Robt. son of lord Erskyn, Walter Seton larde of Toughe, Patrick Hebburne the larde of Waughton's son, James Pringle, James and Alex. St. Cler, John Matlande larde of Awyn Castell, Hen. Maxwell brother to lord Maxwell, John Rosse larde of Craggye, the larde Monkreth, Wm. Mounteth larde of Carssie, John Lisle younger son of the earl of Rothers, John Carmyghell eldest son to the captain of Crawforthe. Values given both in Scottish and sterling money.
Pp. 2. Endd. by Tunstall : Valor of Scottish prisoners'lands and goods.
1 Jan.
R. O. [Spanish Calendar, VI. II., No. 90]
3. Chapuys to the Queen Of Hungary.
la diete Princesse me couloir faire participant si elle entendoit quelque chose des trammes et pratiques Francoises." She sent answer that, by what she could hear, their practices were not sufficient to interrupt ours. The said Ambassador (fn. 1) will shortly leave and be succeeded by the Sieur de Morvillier who was last year in Scotland.
Four days ago the said King licensed all the Scottish prisoners to return home, and gave them chains according to their rank and a good sum of money, besides their horses. They have taken oath to return before Easter, and, some say, to leave hostages before passing the frontier. They were very gently treated; and, for the two days they were in Court, had liberty to wear arms and do as they pleased; and they were permitted to converse in private with the French Ambassador. They are expected to do some good office for the King; and will have the better opportunity if (as some pretend) the Daughter, who was born much before her time, still lives; for, on pretext of marrying her to the Prince here, they could put that realm into the King's hands by suborning some of the four governors whom the King of Scotland is said to have left her; indeed, without subornment, it is thought that there will be dissension among the governors and that one party will seek assistance here. London, 1 Jan., 1542.
French. Fragment. Modern transcript from Vienna, pp. 2.
1 Jan.
Add. MS. 32, 649, f. 2. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 268.
4. Lisle to the Council.
Has received their letters, by the earl of Anguishe, showing that Sir George Duglas may enter into Scotland with such of his brother's retinue as will go with him. Signified this to Sir George and encloses his answer. Thinks his delay unfeigned, for espials report that many he trusted have lately refused to speak with his messengers, as the Humes of the Mersse, who are become the Cardinal's servants. Some of Tyvidale, as Mark Carr and his "grayne," bear them favour, but "as unto Scots." On Sunday next the Council of Scotland have promised to deliver the rebels that murdered Somerset herald. On Saturday last, 30 Dec., a Scottish ship took a crayer coming out of Aylemouth, and daily does great harm. Lisle's servant who came in his ship from London, and left it at Hull, on Tuesday was se'nnight, in company with the King's ships, saw eight Scots ships riding at the Humber mouth; but when his servants told Bassinge and Osborne they mocked them, saying their eyes were dazzled by the moonshine in the water. Now, at the coming of Mr. Lee, late surveyor at Calais, understands that the King's ships were still at Hull. Sent the lord Admiral's letter to Basing and trusts it will hasten them hither.
This day at Edinburgh is a great assembly of all the lords and states of Scotland to establish a protector, and appoint captains on the frontiers. The Cardinal would that Arren's son should have the Princess of Scotland "and many other devices the people have of her marriage." Will, as they wish, be vigilant and write often. Alnwick Castle, New Year's Day at night.
The posts begin to slack their diligence. The Council's letter dated at Westminster, Friday, 22 Dec. at 5 p.m., arrived here on Wednesday after between 9 and 10 a.m. Anguishe says he met the packet coming from Carlisle between Alderton and Dernton, the post on foot leading his horse although the packet declared "haste for thy life."
Pp. 3. Add. Sealed. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
2 Jan. Dasent's A. P. C., 71. 5. The Privy Council.
Meeting at Hampton Court, 2 Jan. Present : Privy Seal, Hertford, Winchester, Westminster, St. John, Cheyney, Gage, Browne, Wingfield, Wriothesley, Sadler, Dacres. Business :—Two commissions made for Suffolk, appointed lieutenant on the Borders, to take up carts and horses to convey his stuff thither.
4 Jan.
Dasent's A. P. C., 71.
6. The Privy Council.
Meeting at Hampton Court, 3 Jan. Present : Privy Seal, Hertford (High Admiral), Winchester, Westminster, St. John, Cheyney, Gage, Browne, Wingfield, Wriothesley and Sadler. No business recorded.
Meeting at Hampton Court, 4 Jan. Present : The same, except Sadler. Business :—Commission directed to Wm. Gonston and John Oseburn to take up the ship Marye Harfford, at reasonable price, and set her ready for sea to waft the merchants going and coming to and from parts beyond sea. Letters written to John Carye and John Gennyns to bring to Court such as could depose touching the taking by them of two prizes at sea.
4 Jan.
Add. MS. 32, 649, f. 6. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 269.
7. Henry VIII. to the Council Of Scotland.
Has received their letters of 20 December, showing their determination to prove their innocence by punishing the murderers of his herald (fn. 1) , the death of their late master, his nephew, and their suit to send ambassadors for the appointment of matters which might tend to the wealth of that realm and his nephew's daughter, and also their request for an abstinence of. six months. In doing what they intend for their purgation to the world of the detestable murder of his herald they shall regard their own reputation; and as for the death of his nephew, whatever worldly quarrel was between them, cannot but, for proximity of blood, be sorry for his death and love the daughter he has left. If they show that towardness whereto wisdom and her wealth ought to persuade them, it shall appear, without consuming time in the ceremony of ambassadors, that Henry loves his said "pronece" and that realm, and hates none of them further than their practises deserve; in which matter he has heard the overtures of such as were here prisoners, who now repair thither on pledges given. Advises them jointly to make such suit in plain terms as he may accept, and he will use his proniece and them in such sort as they shall have no cause to repent. But let them not think that upon trust of fair language he will pretermit the opportunity to unite these two realms, either by conformity, as he desires, or otherwise; and therefore, referring the opening of this matter to the prisoners and others who now repair thither, he will conclude by advising them to declare that they mean the wealth of his proniece and that realm; for although she, as they write, cannot offend either God or man they can, under pretence of her, offend both. Desires them by their whole consent "or the consent of such as will agree in reason," with speed to signify what they will do,—to him or to his lieutenant the Duke of Suffolk who now repairs to the Borders.
"To all such as take upon them the government of Scotland and to all others either of the nobility or of the Council there."
Corrected draft, pp. 11. Endd. : "Mynute to the Council of Scotland, iiijo January ao xxxiiij., from the King's Majesty."
Add. MS. 32, 649, f. 42. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 275 (I). 2. Instructions for Sir Ric. Southwel, one of the General Surveyors.
To accompany Bothewel to Darnton, where they shall find Anguishe and the lords and others of Scotland, prisoners, who were lately here; to whom he shall deliver his letters of credence and declare how, upon the arrival of Bothwell, who has offered like service and made the same promise as the prisoners, the King has sent him (Southwell) to declare that, whereas there has been displeasure between Bothwell and Anguish and between divers others of that company, they should ill perform their purpose to serve the King unless they agreed together, and to require Anguish and every one of them to, for ever, cast away old displeasures, and use one another in honest and kindly fashion, and likewise all others in Scotland who may be won to their part; and not, by inward divisions, hinder the common affair. Then, when each has promised love and friendship to the other, Southwell shall say that, where the Council here delivered them a letter directed to the Council of Scotland, which Council has since written to the King and has been answered, as the copies of the letters (already sent to them) show, the Council here, seeing that the King himself writes, require them to return the said letter; and, in lieu of it, the King grants that they shall deliver his, which shall better serve their purpose. Southwell shall thereupon receive the letter from them and deliver them the King's letter to the Council of Scotland. That done, he shall remind them of the King's advice to keep themselves in force, put their countries in good order and use such dexterity that they may not be put off with delays. And, before all things, they shall see such persons planted about the King's "pronepte" and the Queen that she may not be conveyed from thence; and shall endeavour to get the child, that she may without tract be conveyed to the King's keeping, and likewise to get the strongholds into the King's hands. If "any person of any strange part "arrive who would take upon him some kind of government, they shall resist him and keep him from getting foot in any stronghold. Where Bothwell desired letters of credence to Arren, Huntley, and others, Southwell shall show him that, as the King's letters to the nobility and Council of Scotland expressly give a credit to them all, the King thinks it not expedient to write other letters, but Bothwell may assure Arren and the rest that if they frankly come to his Highness he will make them such advancement, by pension and otherwise, as they shall obtain at no other hand in Christendom. It behoves Arren to look towards the King; for, though the Cardinal be his cousin, he (the Cardinal) works for France, and, if his purpose prevailed, "as by God's grace it shall not," France and such as they favour should rule there. To prove that the King is prepared for all events, Southwell shall show that the duke of Suffolk, who is to be the King's lieutenant on the Borders, has already taken leave and is so furnished with men and money as to be "able either presently to relieve them or to make the main entry as the case shall require"; and therefore they may be of good courage and be sure that they have entered with a Prince who will defend them and advance them "as long as they shall go on a straight foot with him."
Copy, pp. 12. Endd.
4 Jan.
Add. MS. 32, 649, f. 12. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 270.
8. James Earl Of Arran to Lisle.
Received on 3 Jan. his letters dated Anwik, 29 Dec., answering the letters from the Council of Scotland touching deliverance of the committers of the slaughter of Somersede herald, and anent sending their letters to his sovereign and the meeting of his deputy with 40 horses only. The day appointed shall be kept by a deputy of the Warden of the East Marches, viz., the laird of Swyntoun, at the Bound Rod, who shall deliver the malefactors. Rothissay herald shall come with them, to receive your safeguard to pass with one servant to the King, your sovereign, and another safeguard to Dyngwel pursuivant to come toward you with the servant of the umquhile Somersede, who was hurt when he was slain. The Warden deputy shall have but 40 persons with him and shall give no cause of displeasure. Edinburgh, 4 Jan. 1542. Signed : James G.
P. 1. Add. Endd. : a xxxiiijo.
4 Jan.
R. O.
9. Adrien De Croy [Sieur De Roeulx] to Wallop.
Has received his letter and rejoices at the news of the victory over the Scots. It is a great thing to have so many good prisoners and will astound the Scots even more than the death of their King. As to Wallop's information that Marshal du Bies has heard through an intercepted letter and a prisoner that the writer wishes to surprise Monstroeul, has had no practise, except that between the Emperor's ambassador, Wallop and himself, and has not spoken nor written to anyone about such a practise, which needs only 20 pieces of artillery, 15,000 or 16,000 footmen and 3,000 horsemen to keep the fields until it is fortified. Du Bies put this forward to cover an enterprise of the French which has failed. Trusts they will find another resistance this year than they did last, when their sudden coming gave no leisure to choose men of war, and no reasoning man would have expected the French king to attack, seeing that his captains daily sent word "quilz nestoient deliberez de commencher la guerre."
Has with great difficulty obtained for the bearer passport for three horses. Must have 5,000 more horses to resist the enemy, and, seeing the scarcity here, begs Wallop not to write in favour of anyone to pass horses. Gand, 4 Jan. 154 [2]. Signed.
French, pp. 2. Add. : A Mons. Mons. le gouverneur de Guisnes. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
5 Jan.
Dasent's A. P. C., 72.
10. The Privy Council.
Meeting at Hampton Court, 5 Jan. Present : Privy Seal, Admiral, Winchester, Westminster, St. John, Cheyney, Gage, Browne, Wingfield, Wriothesley. Business :—Letter written to Sir Chr. Morres to furnish the Marye Harfford with munition, powder and gunners.
5 Jan.
Add. MS. 32, 649, f. 14. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 271.
11. Henry VIII. to Lisle.
Has received his letters of 30 Dec., with letters from the Council of Scotland and other writings. Approves of his sending Sir R. Maners to the Borders to receive the traitors that slew the herald (fn. 1) , and of his granting safe conduct to the herald of Scotland to repair hither, and surceasing attemptates. Thinking the letters sent from the Council of Scotland worthy of a present answer, has answered as in the copy herewith; the original to be delivered by the lords of Scotland, prisoners, now returning home. Gathers from Arren's willing John Herron's priest to tell you that the Cardinal, who was with the King at his departing, told the Council in the King's name things which he (Arren) thinks to be lies, that he meant "to insinuate himself unto you to th' intent he might hereafter enter further as opportunity should serve him." You shall write to him according to the minute (fn. 1) herewith; and so provoke him to speak, "and of his answer smell the better how he is inclined."
The traitors are to be sent up in surety and you shall try also to get the third person who was with them.
Draft in Wrinthesley's hand, pp. 4. Endd. : Mynute to the Viscount Lisle, vo Januarii ao xxxiiijo.
5 Jan.
Add. MS. 32, 649, f. 16. B.M. Hamilton Papers, No. 272.
12. Lisle And Tunstall to Henry VIII.
On the 3rd inst. received Henry's letters of the 29th ult. enclosing schedules of the promise made by the prisoners taken on the West Marches and of the names of the hostages to be laid in for them. Lisle has notified Sir Thos. Wharton of the King's pleasure and sent him copies of the schedules, praying him to spy the proceedings of the prisoners after their return to Scotland. Yesternight Lisle received the enclosed letters from the earl of Angus and Sir George Douglas; and sent them the letters directed to them from the Council. Will pay them the King's reward as soon as it comes.
A Scottishman called Archibald Duglas, sent from Done Lanericke, who is now in Scotland, to Sir George Duglas, at Berwick, upon Wharton's passport, said here, in passing, that he was two years in England, banished for favouring Angus, that Done Lanericke was returned to Scotland and enjoyed his own, and that the lords of Scotland agreed the better together for their fear of England. Also that the Cardinal asked the King on his deathbed whether Arren, Murray, Argill or Huntley should rule the realm for his daughter; and got no answer, "albeit the Cardinal reported otherwise." Also that for the marriage of the daughter of Scotland the second sons of France, Denmark or England (if there were one) had been suggested, but some said Arren would have her for his son and heir. The writers reasoned with him that the second sons of France and other, being men, would not tarry for a suckling child, and that the Prince of England was the meetest marriage; but he thought that if the two realms were made one Scotland would be undone, for, although poor, yet, having a king in itself, all its revenues were spent there, whereas if the two realms were under one king all should go to the king of England; and he said that the mind of Scotland was to have a king among themselves as they have always had. He said that the late King of Scots got four of the best abbey kirks in Scotland for four of his bastard sons, viz. Kelsoo, Melrosse, Halyrodehouse in Edinburgh, and St. Andrews, and enhanced the rents and took the profits, which caused discontent. He thought Angus might come home when he would; and, as for his having no house to repair to, Dowglas Castle, in the west, was void and not possessed of other men.
A servant of Sir Cuthbert Ratcliffe's who went with raiment to his master, who is still at Glascoo, says that, in returning by Edinburgh, he spoke with the bishop of Glascoo, chancellor of Scotland, to let his master go, upon sureties; which the Bishop refused to do, but said order should shortly be taken both for him and other. He heard George Davison of Tyvedale (one of the takers of Sir Robert Bowes) say in the High Street of Edinburgh that if "he and his company could not get their prisoners delivered they would take as much upon the cawcye (which in the Scottish tongue signifieth the highway) as should recompense them," and would rather become Englishmen than go unrecompensed. Lords and gentlemen coming to Edinburgh to the Council were all in harness and with double their usual retinues, and distrusted each other. The soldiers cried for wages and the highways were dangerous "for robbing and cutting of throats which was used in Scotland."
Forgot in last letters to mention that the chief of the Cokborns of the Marsse is stolen away out of Carlisle from his keeper and come home. He is as powerful as lord Home and more esteemed. Alnwick castle, 5 Jan., 1 p.m. Signed.
P.S.—Lisle has received another letter from Angus and Sir George Duglas, sent herewith.
Pp. 5. Add. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
5 Jan.
Add. MS. 32, 649, f. 19. B.M. Hamilton Papers, No. 273.
13. Lisle to the Council.
Since the despatch of our letters to the King this day, I have intelligence from Edinburgh that, on Wednesday last, the earl of Arren was Proclaimed protector and governor of Scotland during the Princess's minority, and that he and other lords go to Fawkland to convey the King's body to Edinburgh to be buried in the abbey. (fn. 1)
I am mustering the garrisons and have caused Mr. Uvedale to make up his books of charges since the earl of Hertford's departure, and will, by next letters, send these books and the declaration of the musters, and a brief of provisions in charge of Sir Geo. Lawson. Alnwik castle, 5 Jan., 8 p.m. Signed.
P. 1. Add. Endd. : Ao xxxiiijo.
5 Jan.
R. O.
14. Sir Thos. Seymour to Henry VIII.
Since writing last, on 29 Dec., Frederic, the Count Pallantyne who was in England, sent him half a wild boar, with a message that, hearing that his master had war with the king of Scotland and had sent hither to take up men, he prayed Seymour to come and see him at his house, but 5 miles off, or else "ascertain him thereof" (for all he had was at the King's service) and he would come and see Seymour when he came hither. Replied to the messenger that he was not privy of any men the King would levy in these parts, but would advertise him of the Count's friendly offer; and sent the Count a letter to the effect that he had told the man what he knew of the making of the men, but would do his duty to wait upon him, knowing the goodwill he bore to the King.
Learns, from a friend in Vyenne, that to the Diet which the King of the Romans appointed at Presbroke, in Hungary, only two or three nobles of any estimation came; but these promised that, if the King would next summer assemble an army and come to Pest, they would join him with 30,000 men, on condition "that there should be no lance knights in the same army," but all Italians, Spaniards and Almain horsemen. It is said that the Emperor sends Granwyll to this Diet and that he is already at Genes on the way hither. Norenberg, 5 Jan.
Hol., pp. 2. Add. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
ii. Pasted on the back is a fragment, in a somewhat later (Elizabethan) hand, which seems to be a portion of a petition by Ric. Thompson against Ric. Stapers, of London, merchant, relative to a ship which went to St. Lucas.

Footnotes

1 Marillac.
2 Somerset herald.
3 Somerset Herald.
4 No. 28.


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