Henry VIII
March 1543, 21-25

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'Henry VIII: March 1543, 21-25', Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII, Volume 18 Part 1: January-July 1543 (1901), pp. 175-181. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=76732 Date accessed: 15 September 2014.


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March 1543, 21-25

21 March.
Dasent's A. P. C., 99.
306. The Privy Council.
Meeting at Westm., 21 March. Present : Norfolk, Russell, Hertford, Winchester, Westminster, St. John, Gage, Wingfield, Wriothesley. No business recorded.
21 March.
Royal MS. 18 B. VI. 152. B. M.
307. [Arran] to Henry VIII.
After having directed the ambassadors, considered how his Sovereign, dec., ordained that the collar and statutes of the orders of knighthood which he had received from the Emperor and Henry and the French king should be duly delivered again; and therefore sends Sir David Lindsay of ye Mont, Lyon king of arms, with the collar and garter and the statutes of that noble Order. Begs credence for Lindsay. Halyrudhous, 21 March, 1 Mary.
Copy, pp. 2.
Ib. f. 219. 2. Another copy.
P. 1.
21 March.
R. O.
308. Scotch Shipping.
Certificate of Mary Queen of Scots that the custom of the borough of Edinburgh has been paid upon certain merchandise, specified, laden (by merchants named John Sedserf, Alex. Zoung, &c.) at the port of Leith in the ship called Lie Trynate, Hans Andersone, master, for Dieppe. Sealed with the cocket seal of Edinburgh, 21 March 1542, ao r.r. 1 Mary. Seal slightly injured.
Lat. Small parchment.
R. O. 2. Similar certificate for goods laden in the same ship but by different merchants. Sealed with the cocket seal of Edinburgh in the year 1543 (day omitted) ao r.r. 1 Mary. Seal not the same as that of § 1.
Lat. Small parchment.
22 March.
Dasent's A. P. C., 99.
309. The Privy Council.
Meeting at St. James's, 22 March. Present : Norfolk, Russell, Hertford, Winchester, Westminster, St. John, Gage, Browne, Wingfield, Wriothesley, Dacres. Business :—Recognisance of John Bowle, of Dorsetshire, to make restitution to Franco Dolarte, Spaniard, for spoil of his pinnace at Lulworth.
22 March.
R. O. [Spanish Calendar, VI. II. No. 120.]
310. Chapuys to the Queen of Hungary.
This King has just sent to communicate a letter from his ambassador at Boulogne, stating that the captain of Therouenne was lately at Boulogne intending some enterprise, but, fearing the fire after being scalded at Sainct Pol, and hearing of the strength of Mons. de Roeulx, suddenly withdrew to Montreul, awaiting the assembly of his men, who are 2,000 horse (men of arms and light horse, in two bands under the Sieur de St. Martin, brother to the Cardinal of Paris, and Captain Theodore, the men of arms being drawn from several bands, viz., those of Mons. d' Orleans, the captain of Ardrez, the Sieur de Biez and the captain of Therouenne) and 6,000 foot. With that company they bragged, as usual, that they would overthrow De Roeulx, one of their reasons being very foolish, viz., that between the duke of Arschot and De Roeulx there was no great friendship—as if the two were in the same army. They boast that they have good intelligence with several Burgundians, and the ambassador himself is convinced of this since his coming to Boulogne. The French king, hearing that 4,000 lanzknechts were marching about Valenciennes, hastened his who were in Brittany; and both he and his ministers said that if he had respite one year he would make his frontier towns impregnable, and as they were he did not fear the Emperor alone, especially if Spaniards or Italians were not sent to the Low Countries. To amass money for the next year, he was resolved to make no great effort this year, and if the Emperor came in person would keep his strongholds; and the French captains continue to say that they will easily keep off the Emperor provided that no other intervenes,—meaning this King.
Three days ago the French Ambassadors, having received letters, required of this King that the old ambassador might go as far as Calais and stay there until he that is detained at Boulogne arrived; but this King remains obstinate not to let him leave this until he sees his own ambassador.
A priest doctor (fn. 1) and one of the King's chamber named Philip Aubin [Hoby] and certain others have been imprisoned for Lutheranism and heresy. London, 22 March, 1542.
French, pp. 3. Modern transcript from Vienna.
22 March.
R. O.
311. Sir Thomas Palmer.
Certificate by Sir John Cottes, lord mayor, and Sir Roger Cholmeley, recorder, of London that, by command of the King's Council, they have examined into a dispute between Sir Thomas Palmer and Agnes, wife of Nich. Wethers, haberdasher, concerning two gowns delivered to Eliz. Dewe when Sir Thomas was prisoner in the Tower, which she laid in gage to Wethers for 16l. without his authority. Think that in law and conscience the gowns or their value should be restored to Sir Thomas. 22 March 34 Hen. VIII. Signed and sealed (seals broken).
Parchment.
II. Copies of two certificates, made by Thos. Screvyne, mayor, and the aldermen of Calais, of the depositions of witnesses, proving the value of the gowns and of the fur upon them, which Palmer purchased about four years past. Dated, respectively, 17 March and 21 Jan. 34 Hen. VIII.
Large paper, p. 1 each.
III. Deposition of Eliz. Dewe, widow, 20 March 34 Henry VIII., before Sir Roger Cholmeley, that she laid the gowns in gage about St. Peter's Day 33 Hen. VIII. for 16l. Paid 26s. 8d. for the loan for 16 weeks, and at the expiration of that term another 26s. 8d., then 5s. for a fortnight, and then 26s. 8d. for another 16 weeks. Received the gowns from Agnes Cockerell, midwife, and said they were Mrs. Percyvalle's; whereupon Mrs. Wethers suggested that they would be Sir Thos. Palmer's, her brother. Before leaving London, told her neighbours that the gowns lay thus in gage.
Large paper, pp. 2.
IV. Depositions of three other persons who were told of the transaction by Eliz. Dewe, "being a woman that laid divers things to gage, and went about the City to sell the same and to make shifts for gentlemen and others as the case required."
Large paper, p. 1. Mutilated.
23 March.
Dasent's A. P. C. 100.
312. The Privy Council.
Meeting at St. James's, 23 March. Present : Norfolk, Russell, Gage, Wriothesley. Business :—Decree (specified) in the case between Robt. Thrower, keeper of Ludgate, and Hanz van Fremont about the escape of Paule Busto.
23 March.
Add. MS. 32,650, f. 72. B.M. Sadler State Papers, I. 83.
313. Sadler to Henry VIII.
Yesterday, delivered the King's letters to the Queen Dowager of Scotland, whom he found most willing, in appearance, for the marriage of her daughter to the Prince and for delivery of her to the King's custody : saying that the world would note her most unwise if she did not desire it, and that she thought it God's work for the union of these realms that, where before she has had none but sons, it is now her chance to bring forth a daughter. She warned Sadler that the Governor minded nothing less than to marry her in England, and had himself said that they would make the contract, but keep the custody of the child until her lawful age, by which time God might dispose of Henry, "being already grown in years," and then they would handle it so that the contract would not serve. This, she said, was the secret thing for which she desired Henry to send a trusty servant to her; and she urged that it might be kept secret or she would be in danger, having "none about her of her own servants."
The Governor and Council determined in Parliament that the child should not be delivered, because (1) she was the Queen by whose authority the Governor should act; (2) because in England she should never die, for if God called her they would "have another to succeed her"; (3) because if the Prince died she might be married to some other; so that however the game went Henry would dispose of this realm at his pleasure. She said that, assuredly, the Governor minds to marry her daughter to his own son, and therefore the King should stand to have her delivered; adding that the Cardinal, if at liberty, might do much good. Sadler said he thought that the Cardinal would rather do hurt, for he had no affection to England. She said "he was a wise man and could better consider the benefit of the realm than all the rest." She said it would be seen that they would neither deliver the child nor pledges for the marriage; and that the Governor, knowing of Sadler's being with her, would shortly come to see her, and then she would pretend unwillingness for the marriage and he, being "but a simple man," would tell her his whole intent (whereas otherwise he would tell her nothing), and she would let Sadler know it. She said that the Governor showed her that Henry wrote to him that there was a contract between her and Lennox [who was coming to Scotland to marry her] (fn. 2) ; but that was untrue, and, "now since she had been a King's wife her heart was too high to look any lower." Sadler said he was sure that Henry wrote no such matter to the Governor, but he had heard say that she should marry Lennox. She replied that was utterly untrue, like the saying that her father should come here with an army. It might be that Lennox was coming, but her father was in Champagne preparing the French king's army against the Emperor, "as a Frenchman told her that arrived here lately by sea." She asked how it stood between Henry and the French king, and hoped there would be no war. Sadler said he knew not but that all was well. Sadler then spoke of the strange demeanour of her servant (fn. 3) whom she lately sent to the King. She answered that she was sorry; and that she had commanded her said servant to tell the King of his journey and supplicate for a passport to go and return. When Sadler spoke of the King's trust in her virtue, wisdom and experience, and the surety of her daughter resting with him, she wished that the child were in his hands; for it was seldom seen that the heir of a realm was in custody of him who claimed the succession, as now, being established the second person of the realm, the Governor did. The Governor, quoth she, had said that the child was not likely to live, but Sadler should see for himself; and she led him to the child's chamber and caused the nurse to unwrap her and show her naked, who is "as goodly a child as I have seen, of her age, and as like to live, with the grace of God."
Returned to-day to Edinburgh. The Governor and all the noblemen are dispersed abroad, but many of them will be here this feast. If it be true that the Dowager says, there is great dissimulation in the Governor, who is governed chiefly by Sir George Douglas. Was accompanied to Linlithgow by Douglas; who spoke with the Dowager after Sadler left her, and afterwards said "that she had demanded of him whether the child should be delivered into England or not, praying him to help to the contrary because she was too young to be carried so far."
Before the despatch of his letters of the 20th, Douglas told him that the Governor and he purposed to remove the Cardinal "by his own consent" from Blackness to St. Andrews, thinking thereby to obtain that castle, where all the Cardinal's goods and money are; and, afterwards, they might easily convey him by water to Temptallon or Dumbar. Sadler advised him to reflect that a great bruit and hope of his being set at liberty would arise if he were restored to his own house. Douglas warranted, that he would never be nearer his liberty; and, after being with the Cardinal about the matter, told Sadler that "he was a wily carle and would not consent to the matter"; so Sadler omitted to write of it. Was told yesterday morning that the Cardinal was at liberty at St. Andrews; and asked Douglas, who was present, ready to ride to Lintlithgow, if the news was true; who answered that he could not tell, and that he left word with lord Seton, the Cardinal's keeper, to convey him to St. Andrews if he would consent. He was conveyed thither on Wednesday night, where, Douglas says, he is as sure as anywhere in Scotland, but shall, now that they have the house and goods, be conveyed to Temptallon. If the Cardinal have his liberty, Sadler will never trust Douglas or the Governor.
The ambassadors have lingered here these two days, because they would sumere Eucharistiam before going; and to-day they departed intending to lie this night at Dumbar. Edinburgh, 23 March, at night. Signed.
Pp. 8. Add. Endd. : Ao xxxiiijo.
*** An abstract of the above, noting misreadings and omissions in the Sadler State Papers, is given in Hamilton Papers, No. 338.
24 March.
Dasent's A. P. C., 101.
314. The Privy Council.
Meeting at St. James', 24 March. Present : Chancellor, Norfolk, Privy Seal, Hertford, Winchester, Westminster, Browne, Wingfield, Wriothesley. Business :—Philip Hobbye released from the Fleet. Recognisances (cited) for the appearance of Thos. Stevins, rector of Bentworth, Hants, of Roger de Prat, Frenchman, denizen, of Paul Wythipowle and — Palmer, and of Thos. Winthroppe.
24 March.
R. O.
315. The Earl of Surrey.
Examination of Alice Flaner "on Easter Even, ao xxxiiijto" The incident "lately" in Castell's shop where "a strange man" asked her what prince she spoke of (as No. 73). Signed by Lord Russell, Sir Ant. Browne and Wriothesley.
Examined where she heard that, if any thing happened to the King, my lord of Surrey should be King; she says that once, when Surrey was deceived in buying certain linen, her mistress said, "'I marvel they will thus deceive a prince.' 'Why, mistress,' quoth this deponent, 'is he a prince?' 'Yea, Mary!' quoth she, 'and if ought should come at the King but good his father should stand for king.'" Signed as above.
P. 1. In Wriothesley's hand.
R. O. 2. Notes headed "Alys Flaner on Eister Even," viz. :—
"Pikering, Clere, her mistress :—These called her when she came from the Court and compelled her to tell what was said to her by the Council." When my lord of Surrey was deceived in buying cloth, her mistress expressed marvel "that they will deceive a prince." Surrey and Pikering his man and others went out one night after 9 p.m. and came not in again till she was abed. They and Clere have "eaten flesh this Lent in her master's house, also her mistress doth eat flesh."
In Wriothesley's hand, p. 1.
24 March.
Add. MS. 32,650, f. 77. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 339.
316. Lisle to Henry VIII.
Since coming hither on Maundy Thursday night, being at leisure; has considered his proceedings together with the advertisements from Scotland, and sends his opinion, conceived especially upon his last letters from Anguishe and Sir George Duglas, dated Edinburgh 16th inst., wherein it appears that they have made Arren second person of the realm without giving notice to the lord Lieutenant or Lisle. This embassade now coming seems to have no commission for delivery of the Princess, but only to contract a marriage. Having inkling that the lords of Scotland, after the death of their King, would labour for a safe conduct for ambassadors, Anguishe and his brother came "upon the spurs" to Alnwik; and Sir George declared to my lord of Durham and Lisle how the said lords were seeking an abstinence in order to send into Denmark and France, and "make themselves strong," and advised that no such safe conduct should be granted until they (Anguishe and his brother) were in Scotland, and then Sir George thought he should be one of the ambassadors. This they seem to have forgotten, as they write now for licence for a ship to pass into France for household stuff and another to Denmark "upon merchandises." Conferring their former discourses with their late proceedings makes him "utterly to mislike their merchandises." Had to prick them forward before he could get anything from them touching their Parliament. Newcastell, 24 March, 9 p.m. Signed.
Pp. 3. Add. Endd. : ao xxxiiijo.
24 March.
Zurich Letters, I. 239. (Parker Soc.)
317. Richard Hilles to Henry Bullinger.
Has received his letter by Falckner apologizing for not answering fully; but the answer was longer and more gratifying than he expected. Is grateful on John Burcher's account, whom Bullinger say she served the more readily on Hilles' recommendation.
Wrote to John Butler a little after Christmas of the King of Scots' death. At Antwerp it was reputed that he had died of his wounds, but it was not certain. The Scots, however, themselves admit that he died after some of his nobles had been taken prisoners by the English. Has had no positive intelligence since, except that our King at once sent those nobles back to Scotland to intercede with the Scots that they should offer him the Kingdom. But they got hardly anything from the Scots and returned to the King, who was disappointed with the result. Others, however, of our countrymen boasted at Antwerp that the Estates of Scotland, by the procurement of these noblemen had sent into England the Scottish Cardinal. But my English informant told me, on the contrary, that the Scots had chosen a new King and implored the aid of Francis. Does not hear that the King of England is in alliance with the Emperor or has renounced the French alliance, though probably he will do so if the French assist the Scots. News, nevertheless, has come at this fair that the Scots, who have taken some ships from us, are forbidden by the Estates to sell their cargo till they know our King's pleasure. This, however, may be an artifice lest the King of England adopt stronger measures. Commendations to his wife. Is setting off to Nuremberg for a month to sell his cloth, which his friends at Antwerp did not dare send hither this fair for fear of the Duke of Juliers. Frankfort, 24 March, 1543.
25 March.
Add. MS. 32,650, f. 79. B. M. Hamilton Papers, No. 340.
318. The Privy Council to Sadler.
The King has received his of the 20th, and prays him to continue there and to assay Argile, Huntley, Murrey, &c., whether they may, in hope of the King's favours, be brought to any conformity with his wishes.
It is said that the Governor will remove the Cardinal from the Blaknesse to his own castle at St. Andrews, to be there kept by the earls of Casselles, Glencarn or Marshal or lord Seton. Sadler shall learn of Anguishe, Sir George Douglas "and the rest of the sure men there" whether there has been any such motion, and declare that it must in nowise be permitted. Such a means to win his castle is the readiest way to lose both the castle and him, for it is so situate that it could not be held if his friends, who probably devised "this drift," would the contrary. The Governor, Anguishe, and all who favour the King may be sure that, with the aid of France and the Clergy, he will work to overthrow their purposes, especially the state of the government and the reformation of the Clergy. It were meeter to convey him nearer the Borders, and finally to the King's hands, where they shall be sure from his practices. Even now, by money and other means, he keeps a multitude of dependents who would otherwise conform to reason.
Where it has been written that Sir George Douglasse shall come hither to knit up these matters; Sadler must advise him to foresee that he is not lifted out of favour in his absence, for if Huntley or the other party once get him out he will hardly recover it again. And where Dum Laneryk has desired to come to the King; Sadler may suggest to Douglasse to bring Dum Laneryk with him, as, upon the reports of Anguishe and him and of Sir Thomas Wharton, the King thinks Dum Laneryk worthy of entertainment.
If asked how his advertisements are liked, Sadler shall say that this matter was despatched with such diligence, on receipt of his letters touching St. Andrews and the Governor's fear that Henry would write in the Cardinal's favour, that there was no time for answer to the rest.
Draft in Wriothesley's hand, pp. 9. Endd. : Mynute to Mr. Secr. Master Sadleyr, xxvo Martii ao xxxiiijo.
25 March.
Baronius, XXXIII. 62.
319. Paul III. to the Governors of Scotland.
On hearing of the war moved by Henry, who bears himself as King of England, against their King James of distinguished memory, the Pope granted James six tenths of the Church within his realm, and sent letters for that purpose to James and to the Cardinal of St. Andrews, whom he deputed collector of these tenths. Added letters congratulating the King and Cardinal upon the repulse of the adversaries; but, alas! within a few days came the grievous news of the death of the King and capture of the Cardinal. Was anxious for the safety of the kingdom, but is now relieved to learn that the States have appointed them to the government; and, as they need the assistance of the tenths, sends Marcus patriarch of Aquileia, the bearer, a man of prudence, nobility and dignity, whose services he has used in weighty matters, to be collector in place of the Cardinal, with instructions to put the money at their disposal for the defence of the kingdom and release of the Cardinal. Bononia, 25 March, 1543, anno 9.
Latin.

Footnotes

1 Dr. Heynes? See No. 299.
2 Omitted in Sadler State Papers.
3 See No. 271.